T. Pryor coming out party??

by ousuxHOOKEM on Dec 17, 2008 1:13 PM CST Comment 54 comments

Don't get me wrong, anything other than a blow out of OSU and I will be disappointed, UT should have no trouble at all. However a few points

1) This is the Toughest D the Horns will have seen all year long

2) Chris Wells is still dangerous

3) T. Pryor, now more than any other time this year will have to be the playmaker for his team, he will either fall on his face or as the title states he will have a coming out party

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nervous

I have to admit, I’m nervous about playing the buckeyes. In Horns’ fans eyes, we’ve been robbed of a conference title, national title, and Heisman award. If the team’s focus isn’t completely on OSU January 5th, we could definitely stumble. We can’t be like Cal in 2004, getting screwed out of the BCS, lose focus, and get blown out by an inferior opponent.

Steelers Roll Left!

by Drewmonsta on Dec 17, 2008 1:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

"Texas hasn't faced this kind of defense"

Everyone keeps saying this. It’s garbage. Texas can drive on anybody. Ohio St has played:
Youngstown St- FCS opponent
Ohio- Their from the MAC, and had a lead thru 3 Qtrs
USC- Oh yeah great D in this game against a struggling USC offense…
Troy- please it’s Troy
Minnesota- not impressed, still gave up 21
Wisconsin- Struggled to win on a last second TD
Purdue- Painter got yards through the air
Michigan St- They never throw and Hoyer is a mediocre QB
Penn St- Both teams ran the ball all game and played conservative
Northwestern- they got their yards against Ohio St
Illinois- That great D got all it could handle out of the Juice man
Michigan- They play defense against themselves, cmon now

The fact is we dont know how good their D is, so who knows if those great defensive stats are inflated?

And did their #1 total defense stop either Florida, Illinois or LSU the last couple years?

by owenh on Dec 17, 2008 1:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

um...ok

They’re defense did stop UT in 2006. And halfway slowed down (if even possible) VY in 2005. Of course AJ Hawk was/is a stud (who was nailing Brady Quinn’s HOT sister, BTW)…I digress

I will admit that OSU’s defense against the speed of the SEC is the weakness, but they ARE a formiddable defense. Do not take any credit away from what they did this year. They start a GREEN freshman at QB and played with a semi-hurt RB all season. Maybe the reason their defense didnt put up amazing numbers is because the offense couldnt stay on the field long enough for the D to catch a damn breather. We are not nearly as fast as teams like Florida of 2006 or LSU of last year. Let me remind you that the Lott Trophy and the Thorpe Trophy winners were Lauranitis and Jenkins respectively. Those kids can play ball. Do Not underestimate the OSU D.

by kriess on Dec 17, 2008 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Psst

This team of ours is better than the 2006 version, and its not our QBs second game as a starter.

And halfway slowed down (if even possible) VY in 2005

I think you need to recheck that. Vince’s statline from 2005, in the horseshoe, at night: 76 yards rushing, 276 passing with 2 tds and 2 picks. The INTs were costly, but thats still better numbers than he put up against Tech in the 52-17 beatdown.

Their defense hasnt seen an offense like ours, hell no one has as Colt is obliterating the completion record. I seriously doubt they hold us to under 30, and thats more than enough for us to win handily.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Dec 17, 2008 2:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

05' OSU

was way better than 2006 or 2007 teams. VY took care of business when needed!

by Longhorns84 on Dec 17, 2008 2:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree with '84 and BIC completely

however I only said slowed down Vince…halfway at that. The 76 yards rushing and the 2 picks clearly state that. Vince was a beast beyond beasts in 2005. There is no possible way to stop him completely, but look at his rushing yards in the second half and tell me different. Under that logic…is the Tech defense of 2005 better than OSU’s? Even with all those Linebackers? Its a rhetorical one, so dont answer.

Aside from that, I was just using that small little sentence as a stepping stone to reply to the fact that OSU’s D isn’t as good as people think. Its not great but it IS the best we’ve seen this year.

Also am I in now way saying OSU will hold us under 30, or even come close to winning for that matter. Im giving their defense the respect they deserve. I do believe the 2006 OSU team was better than the 2005 team.

by kriess on Dec 17, 2008 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Vince in 2005

Rushed for more than he did against Ohio State only 4 times (once was only by a single yard).

Threw for more yards than he did against Ohio State only 3 times (two were by less than 20 yards).

Vince had more total yards only 4 times (one by only 5 yards).

If you take out the greatest single performance in Rose Bowl HIstory against the greatest football team in history, there were only 3 games total that he played better in, from a yards perspective, in 2005.

I dont think he he was slowed down halfway, maybe a quarter way…

by BoddickerIsClutch on Dec 17, 2008 2:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

And yet your team escaped with a victory while only scoring 25 points. If you don’t think that was the toughest defense VY faced then I’m not sure what you were watching.

Not to mention that Colt McCoy is not VY. He can run around all he’d like…he isn’t busting the long ones like VY did.

by gahnki on Dec 17, 2008 2:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It was the best defense we faced

And they stopped everyone else, they just didn’t stop Vince, and on that day (with Tressel inexplicably pulling Troy Smith) we won.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Dec 17, 2008 3:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

whats your point

the 2008 OSU buckeyes aren’t the 2005 OSU buckeyes. The 2008 OSU buckeye defense isn’t near as good as the 2005 defense (not even close).

by Longhorns84 on Dec 17, 2008 8:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You can look at it any way you want

But like Muschamp said…stats are for losers. Vince played much better in ALOT more games. He carried us back but OSU made VY one dimensional in the second half. Superman prevailed but it would have been all for nothing if that TE would have caught the ball on any one of the 2-3 times he had the chance to. Griffin’s hit or not, that would have sealed the deal. It was a tough D and the toughest we faced in 2005. The same will hold true in January except the D isnt near as good as it was in 2005.

by kriess on Dec 17, 2008 3:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

What does it matter if Vince is one dimensional

If you cant stop that dimension?

And in fact, Vince was very two dimensional in that game, with only 3 games having an overall more well rounded performance. If we lost, it wouldn’t have been on Vince, but we won, and that is because of Vince. There was no halfway about it.

If you want to say they stopped our offense as a team I would agree with you, we struggled against them more than anyone. But Vince is not the team, and Vince didnt play any large degree worse than other games, and as I pointed out, it was FAAAAAAAAAAAAAR from his worst game, even just in 2005.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Dec 17, 2008 3:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Thats true

The Aggy game was his worst, but he was one dimensional in the second half. He still did a great job and got it done when we needed to. He threw a perfect ball to an open-ish Sweed and we won. Well then there was a safety and…whatever. All im saying is that they slowed him down in the second half. That is all. Nothing more or less. I guess I had just a different and weird way of saying it.

by kriess on Dec 17, 2008 3:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

the "only 4 times" thing...

a little misleading.

In most games that year, Vince was cooling off on the sidelines sometime in the third quarter.

One of the huge reasons his stats were so huge in the Okie State and USC games were that he played aggressively pretty much the entire game – a rarity for him that year. Other than those, the big exceptions I seem to recall were the aTm game, where he just plain didn’t play that well (I’m still kind of convinced he wasn’t feeling well…), and the tOSU game, where they just legitimately had a very tough defense. – and they did slow him down from his usual transcendant self, but still a very solid game for him.

by Pflash on Dec 17, 2008 10:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

'05 was better

They had a much better defense. The 2006 team may have had a better offense with a developed Troy Smith, but I’d take that 2005 defense any day. The 2005 team only lost two tough games against Texas and Penn State, the eventual national champion and a team that was one second away from being undefeated.

And their defense didn’t stop us in 2006. Greg Davis did. We piled up a ton of rushing yards in the first quarter and ended up finishing the game with 5.2 yards per carry and outrushing OSU by 100 yards. But no, Davis decides to throw the ball MORE times with a QB playing his second game ever, and limits him to short dump off passes at that. Mack and GD got roundly criticized (by even non-Texas fans) for that ridiculously conservative gameplan, and deservedly so.

by TheElusiveShadow on Dec 17, 2008 7:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

and the Billy Pittman fumble

by Longhorns84 on Dec 17, 2008 8:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Colt's 2nd college game...

Texas is waaaaaay better on offense than they were in 2006. Colt is a man now! Texas still ran the ball pretty much at will against OSU in 2006. Texas was very conservative in 2006, but they will see a different team on both sides than in 2006. Muschamp will have Pryor rattled and confused.

by Longhorns84 on Dec 17, 2008 2:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I wish it were certain

but with GD at the reigns, we cannot assume that we wont see a conservative offense take the field. Agree totally on Muschamp though. Pryor will be seeing alot of field turf thats for sure.

by kriess on Dec 17, 2008 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

kriess

The Big 10 is garbage. Beano Cooke said today on The Herd, ‘the Big 10 was good 40 years ago." USC is the only “good” offense they’ve played all year.

Oh yeah, and Brady Quinn’s “hot” sister looks like a dude in drag.

by billytyra on Dec 17, 2008 4:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

billytyra

Sorry…it was somewhat of tongue in cheek sarcasm, but I guess working non stop for the past 48 hours makes it hard to show that…lol. She’s a butter-face. Gotta love paper bags

by kriess on Dec 17, 2008 4:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

one more thing

Please never trust anything that comes from a man named Beano Cooke. I mean…I agree with him, but its like referencing Wiki on a mid term paper. Not kosher.

by kriess on Dec 17, 2008 4:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You obviously didn’t watch many of the games. The only team that put up legitimate points against OSU was USC. And USC got some help from our abysmal offensive showing (Pick 6, and 85 total yards in the second half.) USC was literally 40 yards away on two scoring drives.

Juice Williams was utterly demolished in our game against him. They were a garbage time score against the third string away from a blowout. Penn State couldn’t do crap, and their offense is very similar to yours. They have a much better running game, but I would posit that Colt is superior to Daryll Clark.

I would be surprised if your offense didn’t struggle.

by gahnki on Dec 17, 2008 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

PSU's offense is nothing like ours.

Theirs is in HD, ours is not.

Juice got demolished? That was his 5th highest rated game. He went 17 for 26, 2 TDs 1 Int and had 48 yards on the ground on just 9 carries. Congratulations on playing him harder than Missouri, Michigan, Indiana, and Minnesota.

Also, Juice threw the ball 4 times in the whole 4th quarter, garbage time or not (if started the 4th winning by 10, and you won by 10, is it really garbage time?), that is not stat padding

As to Colt vs Clark, thats one hell of an understatement.

Colt has nearly double Darylls yards on the ground, and nearly a full yard more per carry. Darylls longest run was for 24 yards, while Colt has at least 5 runs that match or better that.

Passing Colt has more yards per attempt, completes 17% more of his passes than Clark, and has double the touchdowns with 1000 more yards. If you want to look at it on a per attempt basis, Colt has a passer rating 35 points higher, and in fact only dipped down the Daryll’s season average once against Tech.

Colt is also a better punter.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Dec 17, 2008 3:11 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs

Thank you for being you.

That is all.

by pleaseplaykindle on Dec 17, 2008 4:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'd bet he has a hotter girlfriend

and shot a bigger buck this year as well.

by Horncasting on Dec 18, 2008 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Does the Big 10 have any good offenses?

NO! USC doesn’t really have a great offense either.

by Longhorns84 on Dec 17, 2008 8:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Did you just mentioned the Juice Man????

by Meekrob on Dec 17, 2008 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Wow

Simply amazing Meekrob

by kriess on Dec 17, 2008 3:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

With eyebrows like that, I'd watch that carrot. nt

by whills on Dec 17, 2008 7:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

no their D didnt

but you can’t just ignore a D with Lauranitis and Jenkins, UF and LSU had those explosive playmaker type(s).

The Horns really don’t have a deep threat, their game is methodical short passes which I could see osu playing this well.

I would like to see another 90 yard bomb to williams tho :)!!!!!

by ousuxHOOKEM on Dec 17, 2008 1:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

True

but most of our passes that are short and methodical have to have a LB covering that zone over the middle. OSU’s lb corps are bruisers and in no way match up well to cover a Shipley or Collins or Kirkendoll

by kriess on Dec 17, 2008 1:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Freeman and Laurinaitis strength is in coverage. Not to mention that out 33 stack nickel defense causes many problems for spread teams.

by gahnki on Dec 17, 2008 2:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Um...yeah...im gonna have to sorta disagree with you on there.

Sorry but i just watched office space. JL’s strength is NOT is pass coverage. There isn’t an LB in college football who can stay with Jordan Shipley’s double move down the seam. Except for maybe Kindle in his RB days before he bulked up a bit. Dont get me wrong, JL will be near him and most likely tackle the hell out of him, but that 6-8 yards down the field. And by the way…name one REAL spread offense that 3-3 stack nickel has beaten this year. Go ahead I’ll wait.

by kriess on Dec 17, 2008 3:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

oh yeah..

which good spread offense has OSU caused problems against?

by Longhorns84 on Dec 17, 2008 8:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Terrelle Pryor meet Will Muschamp.

Oh yeah and please feel free to introduce yourself to Sergio Kindle, Brian Orakpo and crew.

"Football's so important in Texas. On the West Coast, it's a social. On the East Coast, it's a culture. Here, it's a religion."
-- Major Applewhite

by Sunkist on Dec 17, 2008 2:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Muschamp

will take away the run, and make Pryor beat Texas with his arm (not going to happen).

by Longhorns84 on Dec 17, 2008 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

OSACKPO

Hoping this guy has a great game. I definetly want to see his career as a Longhorn end with a bang! Hopefully at the cost of T. Pryor & Co. HOOK’ EM!

by ousuxHOOKEM on Dec 17, 2008 2:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Buckeye D still doesnt scare me, what does is Texas stopping the run

OSU’s Kendall Hunter and the Texas Tech RB’s killed us in those games. If Wells has similar success, it will be a tough game. They used our pass rush against us. I think our rush defense is untested.

by owenh on Dec 17, 2008 3:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

The reason why

is because we respected things that could beat us while we had injuries to deal with. We focused too much on Crabtree and Pettigrew and Bryant. I just dont see Robiskie (sp) and Hartline beating us they way those other two could.

by kriess on Dec 17, 2008 3:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Kendall Hunter and the Tech Running back

I believe are much different running back than Beanie is. Texas has problems with short scat backs, I haven’t watched much of Beanie and I may be totally off base but most of his highlight reels are up the middle, which would feed right into the strongest part of our defense. I don’t think he has a big game OSU will be forced to pass.

by Longhorn in MO on Dec 17, 2008 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Sproles and Griffin still haunt my dreams.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Dec 17, 2008 4:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

We were defensing multi weaponry against Tech and OSU

teams which forced opponents to defend the whole field. I really don’t think that will be the case with tOSU.

The Horns actually defended the run better than tOSU, 317 carries for 883 yards, 2.79 ypc, while tOSU’s numbers were 377 carries for 1379 yards, 3.66 ypc. Even when you equalize the carries, tOSU would have given up 276.4 more yards.

The Buckeyes have an edge in pass defense, 382 passes for 1972 yards, 5.2 per attempt, while the Horns gave up 3,196 yards on 466 attempts for 6.9 per. This is where the caliber of passing opposition should be noted, for the Horns were playing against top ranked passing teams while tOSU faced…Illinois. With an All-American corner they can shut down one receiver but I doubt if he can do a Deionesque third-of-the-field.

by whills on Dec 17, 2008 8:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Pryor hasn’t developed as a passer yet, and he hasn’t developed his recognition of when to tuck and run yet. I think UT’s going to rattle him. Unless UT comes out flat, which is a very realistic possibility for a team that was screwed out of a title shot, I think they’ll get him on his heels pretty readily and make it into an ugly matchup.

by burntorangehorn on Dec 17, 2008 4:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Everyone should go watch...

That Youtube video of Beanie jumping completely over a defender. That guy has moves.

That being said… 28-17, Longhorns….

by notsofst on Dec 17, 2008 6:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

28?

I think we can do better than that. Just need to show up and stay focused.

by Horn Brain on Dec 17, 2008 7:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I think the game will be much lower scoring than we're used to.

And greg is going to play the whole game conservative.

by notsofst on Dec 18, 2008 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Time to get back on track. 52-10.

by burntorangehorn on Dec 17, 2008 7:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

why would you bring up 06?

That is a completely different team as is this Longhorn Team! They have players and without a doubt NFL talent on defense. Offense not being able to stay on the field? Ohio State average time of possesion was 33 mins per game. Im not saying they are great, but they aint bad either. T. Pryor will be a great college QB but he hasnt faced pressure like he will see on Jan 5.

by LEMILES on Dec 18, 2008 12:24 AM CST reply actions 1 recs