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BCS Breakdown 2008 V1.7 (Won't Get Fooled Again Edition)

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We'll be
fighting in the streets
With our children at our feet
And the morals that they worship will be gone
And the men who spurred us on
Sit in judgment of all wrong
They decide and the shotgun sings the song

I'll tip my hat to
the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around me
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like
yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again

 

 

 

 

Well, we did get fooled.  We were tricked into thinking we had a shot to stay ahead of OU, when the computers had us doomed, doomed, doomed long before the Cowboys gave up that last touchdown run in garbage time.  Still, we came much, much closer than most of you realize.  We were behind OU by one rank in both the Sagarin and Wolfe systems.  Reverse those two and we'd be headed to KC.  Sigh.

Anyway, don't completely give up hope, because there's still a chance - and it's a heck of a lot better than a Lloyd's chance in Mary...

Star-divide

Keith-moon-1_medium The change, it had to come
We
knew it all along
We were
liberated from the foe, that's all
And the
world looks just the same
And history ain't changed
'Cause the banners, they all flown in the last war

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around me
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like
yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
No, no!

Damn those bastards.  There are now really only two ways for us to get to Miami.  Obviously the first is OU crapping the bed against Mizzou.  I don't know about you guys, but I feel like Chase Daniel may actually suck as much as or more than OU.  I'm not going to count on it.  The other way we get in has been discussed previously, but I want to look at it a little more.  BZ did a great job earlier with his BCS numbers post, and it gave me the idea to compare quantized rankings (1, 2, 3, 4, etc.) with continuum rankings (Texas is 2.94 instead of 3.00, kind of strong).  Let's look at it in a big old table like we normally do:

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The Average column shows where a team is expected to land in the rankings given their scores in the three components.  It's basically one minus the BCS average times 25, plus one so that a perfect ranking doesn't rank you "zero".  In math, that's 25(1-BCSAvg)+1.  It gives a meaning to those awful numbers that the BCS attaches to their printouts every week.  BZ explains the concept in his post, I've just manifested it in terms of rankings instead of looking at how many poll points a team has compared to their expected score.  The benefit of looking at it this way is that it makes intuitive sense.  The BCS expected ranking is the same as the average of the three component expected average rankings, so you can see right away how many ranking points one team would need to leapfrog another, and in which polls they would need those points.  Confused?  Great, it'll make more sense when we look at our very special example:

In a Fair World, Texas Plays OU for the National Championship

That's kind of misleading, because in a really fair world, Texas would be going to KC right now and we'd get to play someone else to prove that we're number one, but this world isn't fair at all, so this is as fair as it gets now that we are where we are.  Both Florida and Texas are strong in their positions, while OU and Alabama are weak.  Right now, Florida is basically a full ranking behind Texas.  If the voters continue to vote Texas and Florida relatively the same and Florida wins the SEC, the Gators would need to gain 3 spots (relative to us) in their continuum computer ranking to pass us.  That means they would need each of the four computers that count to rank them three spots higher than they are right now, for a total of 12 computer points.  That would bring them into a tie with us, where their narrow human advantage would put them ahead.

The thing is - I don't think that they can get that many points by beating Alabama.  Their resume would have one win over Alabama, one win over a suddenly awful computer #13 Georgia, and not much else to brag about.  Plus they have a very bad loss to Ole Miss.  Texas, on the other hand, has a win over the computer #1, #13 and #20 teams (#20 and Big 12 North Champ), with a loss to the computer #4.  Hands down, Texas has the better resume, so I think Florida can't come closer than 8 of their 12 needed points in the computers.  Any teams that fall between us and Florida would widen that gap, but they could jump us in one or two polls, so we'll call that a wash.

If the humans vote us where we belong (ahead of Florida with that resume), then we're in.  They won't, though, because the last thing they want is for a trivally-decided non-conference champion to play for it all (in a rematch, to boot).  The question, then, is how much can we give up to Florida and stay ahead?  If our lead stays at 1 full ranking in the computers, then we can't be behind them in the human polls by more than 1 full ranking combined.  That's 114 Harris votes or 61 Coaches votes, spread around however you like.  Right now, Florida has us by 44 in the Harris (39% of needed) and we have them by 11 in the Coaches (They need 118% of 61 votes).  I think it's going to be close unless the coaches and the Harris pollsters start ranking us down and Florida up just to avoid the rematch.  If they vote based on who's played the tougher schedule and who has the best resume, then we're in.  If they don't, we're probably out.  This may sound promising, but do you really trust them at this point to keep ranking us where we belong instead of pulling shenanigans to try and get what they want?  Hell, some of them don't even know that Penn State lost this year, so you can bet on random luck having something to do with it.

So the gist is:  Root for Mizzou to beat OU by some miracle, because that's a free ticket to the dance.  If Mizzou doesn't beat OU, hope that they get demolished, as every #1 vote for OU is a vote for Texas at this point.  The closer Florida is to us the better.  We need to get back out on the campaign trail and convince the voters to keep ranking us fairly and not play shenanigans with their ballots to avoid the inevitable.  I'd give us a 10% chance to get past Florida based on what I've seen, with a 50% chance to get past them if the voters weren't a bunch of blockheads.

I'll move myself and my family aside
If we happen to be left half alive
I'll get all
my papers* and smile at the sky
For I know that the
hypnotized never lie

Do ya?

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

* Someone please photoshop this.

Outliers Watch:

Short and sweet this week:

2008 Week 14 Chart Diff

Hopefully whills finds this version of the graph easier to read.  I took away physical borders and fattened the bars around my words like they were illegally entering my country.  Your weirdos this week:

Alabama - You're going down, Stampy.  You've skated by with the perfect schedule full of horrible teams that everyone thought would be good, and you've barely beaten half of the really, truly bad teams you've played.  I just hope you keep it close enough so that Florida doesn't get OMG !!!11111!!!!-ed out of reach of our computer numbers.

USC - Could this be a sign?  Just before a gimme game against your horrible, awful rival across town?  With that offense?  If you sleep-walked through a 12-7 shocker it wouldn't shock me at all.

Tech - Tech is high because the computers like them a lot.  They don't play anymore games.  Meh.

Oregon - The computers are rightfully not as impressed as the humans with your shelacking of OSU.  That pissed me off.  Couldn't you have let us beat the tar out of USC in the Fiesta?  Screw you and your incredibly fast and strong monster running back that will forever haunt the dreams of Beavers both orange and pink (I'm sure) for many, many years to come.

Florida State - Oh please.  Normally I wouldn't bother hanging around down here, but this is such a high standard deviation I have to look into it.  It seems the computers still give you a little credit for having lost to Florida.  Maybe you deserve it.  I honestly think that the ACC is better than I've griped about all this year, and I can't wait to see the champ take on Cincy and then compare/contrast with the potential Boise/Utah kiddie bowl.  I don't even know if I'm kidding anymore.

Billingsley Report Card:

Meet the new boss,
Same as the old boss...

I felt like this one came across well without links...

2008 Week 14 Comp. Analysis

Again, least useful of the bunch, again highest standard deviation.  Most importantly, though, these are his top five:  Alabama, Oklahoma, Florida, Texas, USC.  WTF Billingsley?  I defy you to give me one good reason to have Florida ahead of Texas.  I.  Defy.  You.  Send me an email.

All of you faithful readers who made it this far, I encourage you to send me emails as well.  I recently received one from an Aggie who said something along the lines of "my t-sip ego can't understand" that OU should be ahead of Texas.  That's fine, but that's not what I want.  Send me an email I won't laugh at, and I'll reply to it fully either in my BCS Breakdown or in a separate post.  Ask for nerdy blog stuff, maybe I can help you out.

Finally:  Don't let me down, people.  Canvas the way we did for 45-35.  Let the voters know that we deserve to be ranked ahead of Florida, and let's get as many of them as we can to vote that way.  We're not giving up on this team, just like they didn't give up on us down 22-6 at the half in Lubbock, or down 14-3 in Dallas.  If we have to beat the Sooners twice to prove we're better than them, then that's what we have to do.  We have one more week to go, and once those votes are in they can't be changed, so let's give it one more shot.  My beard ain't gettin' any shorter overnight.

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

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At the far end of all standard deviations: Keith Moon. At least in this galaxy.

The graph reads better. No visual crosstalk.

I like how the west Texas wind always seems to be blowing through Colt’s hair re: post.

You’re starting to play this riff pretty good.

Next time you can relavate whether OU or Billingsley sucks more. We know the answer but getting there is most of the fun.

by whills on Dec 2, 2008 2:54 AM CST reply reply   0 recs

This is great stuff...

…but I wonder if, as you state, we really want OU to blow out Mizzou in the Big 12 Consolation Game. (That is, barring an actual Tigers win, of course.)

It seems to me that if OU narrowly beats Mizzou, and then narrowly beats Florida/Alabama in Miami, then that, coupled with a Longhorn blowout of Ohio State or somebody in the Fiesta, would be enough to give Texas the AP national championship. And a split championship is better than none at all.

by JudenSmithFan on Dec 2, 2008 4:08 AM CST reply reply   0 recs

Only if you think...

…staying ahead of Florida has better odds than the split championship. And I think it does.

by kjm017 on Dec 2, 2008 7:22 AM CST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Doesn't seem likely

If the voters think there’s even the slightest chance of it happening, they’ll “fix” their ballots to prevent it.

by SpartanDan on Dec 2, 2008 10:04 AM CST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Fix the Vote

Right. This is a country we live in where votes are fixed in order that the preannointed king shall be ‘elected’. If voters want to fix their votes to determine the outcome, then please let’s just do away with the voters and have a selection committee. Don’t pretend to vote honestly if you won’t.

by drycreek on Dec 2, 2008 1:15 PM CST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

i'm convinced that...

if the mainstream media catches wind that Florida not passing Texas is a realistic possibility, that you would indeed see a huge push of voters rank Texas behind Bama to make sure that armageddon doesn’t occur with the BCS if all this happens.

The quieter this is about this scenario, the better.

by silky51 on Dec 2, 2008 8:34 AM CST reply reply   0 recs

So I was looking at Sagarin's rankings...

Anyone else notice how Sagarin rates FCS teams in the same poll as FBS teams? James freaking Madison is ranked 24th in ELO-CHESS, ahead of such teams as Oregon, Ole Miss, and Michigan State. I know it has minimal effect on the entire scheme of things, but why should FCS teams be counted in a poll for a postseason system they can’t play in?

by BigTexBD on Dec 2, 2008 8:43 AM CST reply reply   0 recs

Because some FBS schools decide to bollster the number of wins by poaying the FCS schools

I would much prefer if all FCS schools were automatically ranked #120 in all computers for the sake of ranking the FBS schools. Play an FCS and you will get hurt in the computer rankings like you should.

by drycreek on Dec 2, 2008 1:17 PM CST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

the 'oo and the horns all at once?

i must be in heaven

Disciplina Praesidium Civitatis.

by zamm on Dec 2, 2008 8:51 AM CST reply reply   0 recs

Bama?

If they do lose a close game to UF, is there a chance they drop to 3 in the human polls and act as a buffer between UT and UF, or would they voters acknowledge that they were fortunate to even be where they were and drop them below us?

by utfan1976 on Dec 2, 2008 9:10 AM CST reply reply   0 recs

If the voters are sane, no

If Bama loses, there would be absolutely no justification for putting them ahead of Texas (or USC, Penn State, or even Texas Tech or Utah for that matter). Does this mean some blockheads won’t do it? Of course not.

by SpartanDan on Dec 2, 2008 10:03 AM CST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Since the coaches poll is public next week...

Is there any chance, that if OU wins ugly, and any funny business that might have happened in the coaches poll this week (OU #1, UT #6) is corrected next week, that UT could actually pass OU in the BCS? It doesn’t seem like OU’s computer strength could pull away much more from us, and the human vote could swing much more our way if OU looks ugly winning.

by HookedinOKC on Dec 2, 2008 10:32 AM CST reply reply   0 recs

It seems to me

It seems to me, without looking at the math, that the UT jumping OU scenario has more hope than the UT staying ahead of UF, as I agree with others that the voters will give Florida substantial #1 votes if they beat Bama.

by HookedinOKC on Dec 2, 2008 10:34 AM CST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

no hope for passing OU

OU is ahead of us by a full computer ranking. We would need to be ahead of them by more than one full ranking in the human polls combined. We would need over a hundred Harris votes or 63 Coaches votes, split up however you like. Not going to happen.

by Horn Brain on Dec 2, 2008 11:33 AM CST reply reply   0 recs

I get you on the numbers

I understand what you’re saying, but I could easily see more than a 1 vote swing on individual ballots. Say for instance a couple of coaches had OU #1 and UT #5 in order to ‘sway’ the vote a certain way, but OU looks horrible in winning a squeaker to Mizzou. That same coach may come back with #1 Fla/Bama, #2 OU, #3 UT knowing that his vote is public this week. That’s a 3 vote swing on 1 ballot. Another example: Harris or coach this week has #1 Bama, #2 OU, #3 Fla, #4 UT, but after this weekend has #1 Fla/Bama, #2 OU, #3 UT. That’s 1 vote without having to switch the order of OU and UT.

Are my examples accurate, in that if enough of these types of shifts happen, that it could work with a significantly lower number of voters having to flip-flop UT/OU?

by HookedinOKC on Dec 2, 2008 11:49 AM CST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I see your point...

… but I think you’re overestimating the number of screwy votes. We can’t gain 60+ points on OU. Especially not with everyone jumping our ship now that they’re going to be “official” Big 12 champs. Either Mizzou wins, or they lay down and play dead so that Florida doesn’t get to #1. We also have to convince the voters to keep us in the mix, because in the mix means we’ll be in with the computers.

by Horn Brain on Dec 2, 2008 11:55 AM CST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Fair enough

But I almost think a more likely scenario than us staying ahead of Florida would be to get the AP championship, which I don’t think could happen if OU throttles Mizzou. If they win ugly and the SEC game is close, I think we’ll be #2 AP going into the bowls, with an outside shot at #1 if we look impressive.

by HookedinOKC on Dec 2, 2008 12:07 PM CST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

On the flip side of voter motivations...

If Texas passed Florida in the BCS rankings and wound up beating OU in Miami, and Florida won its bowl game as well, I think it would have to result in a split championship, with Florida winning the AP.

Remember that, for every voter who wants a clean result, there is probably a voter who doesn’t like the system and doesn’t mind a result that creates a scenario in which a split championship is possible.

If you’re a BCS-hating coach (I’m looking at you, Paterno) what better way to sabotage the system than to vote for this result?

by kjm017 on Dec 2, 2008 12:18 PM CST reply reply   0 recs

In that case?

Fine. We beat OU twice in one year, once for the national championship. Florida would complain, but that’s just fine, because there would be even more controversy around the BCS. That would actually be pretty freakin’ awesome.

by Horn Brain on Dec 2, 2008 12:39 PM CST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

A forgotten benefit of us getting screwed...

Not playing in the MNC may be a deciding factor in Colt returning for his senior year

by BSnyder on Dec 2, 2008 1:10 PM CST reply reply   0 recs

Support The Rematch Idea

I think one point that needs to be brought up in the media is that a rematch of Texas OU is not undeserving if indeed these are the two best teasm in the country, i.e. better than Florida.

You’ll hear a lot of complaints that this shouldn’t happen as trhese tow teams have already played each other and another team should get the chance at the MNC.

This would be true of the winner of the original game actually went to the MNC.

Please explain to me why a Florida, which according to polls and computers is not as strong as Texas, should get a shot at OU if Texas who already beat OU won’t.

The purpose of the BCS is to match the two highest ranked ("best") teams in the country. This should be independent of conference affiliations. If the two best teams are in the zsame conference or division, why shouldn’t they play for the MNC. For voters to decide to manipulate their ballots in order to prevent such an occurance due to the rematch factor is tantamount to voter fraud.

Okay so yo don’t want a rematch. At the very least send the team that won the original game to meet a new opponent.

The media needs to hear:

No rematch? Then send the winner of the original match to the MNC

Voter Fraud in Action

Welcome to the third world country we live in if this is allowed to happen.

by drycreek on Dec 2, 2008 1:26 PM CST reply reply   0 recs

Very good argument

There can be no complaint that these two teams already played each other since the team that won isn’t ahead. Texas’ schedule is much stronger than Florida’s, our best win trumps theirs, and our loss is infinitely “less bad” than theirs. This is going to grow legs.

by Horn Brain on Dec 2, 2008 1:30 PM CST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Everyone!...Stop talking about this scenario. I'm worried that voters will wake up for once and screw us this time around.

The more banter about this scenario amongst the general public (ie voters), it’s more likely that they will fix their ballots so a rematch does not occur. We don’t want to remind them that this is possible. Let them vote and we’ll see what happens. Other than that…GO MIZZOU!

by HornsFaninCalifornia on Dec 2, 2008 1:42 PM CST reply reply   0 recs

They Will know

I think at this point we can assume that the voters will know. All of the media with nothing to do for four days will make sure it is discussed ad nauseam.

I think now we have to make sure the talking heads address the fact the a rematch is more than warranted if the winner of the original game is potential not allowed to “defend” their original win.

Secondly, we need to pre-emptively point out that it would be voter fraud/ballot fixing, what ever you want to call it, if voters changed their ballots in order to send a specific team to the MNC.

There should be a call for election observers from the UN to make sure the vote is fair.

by drycreek on Dec 2, 2008 1:59 PM CST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

It was discussed on the front page of the SA Express News today

and they also mentioned it on Mike and Mike this morning.

by Horncasting on Dec 2, 2008 4:02 PM CST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Note regarding all my posts

Make sure you view them in Wide view (found underneath the BON search box), or else you’ll get weird formatting issues and the end of my Standard Deviation Graph gets cut off.

:)

by Horn Brain on Dec 2, 2008 2:49 PM CST reply reply   0 recs

to help with the SOS

we beat the b12 champ no matter wat.

by ibleedburntorange49-9 on Dec 2, 2008 8:22 PM CST reply reply   0 recs

Billingsly

Are most Longhorn fans aware that Billingsly operates from southeastern oklahoma and is a diehard zeroe u fan?They had an interview on one of the local Tulsa channels and he had all kind of ou stuff in his computer room.I do not feel this should be allowed,as it is a direct conflict of interest.

by okiehorn on Dec 3, 2008 4:40 PM CST reply reply   0 recs

It’s only a conflict of interest if his algorithm has all kinds of screwy kludges that … oh, wait.

(In all seriousness, I don’t think his rankings are biased toward Oklahoma in any sense other than the idiotic preseason rankings he does, which are just a carryover from the team’s final rank the year before. A computer, in theory, can’t be fooled by the name. That theory, of course, is bunk when you explicitly give them an advantage in the preseason rankings because they were good the year before and those preseason rankings actually affect the year before.)

by SpartanDan on Dec 3, 2008 7:33 PM CST to parent up reply reply   0 recs


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