Mack Brown Calls Out Thayer Evans
"One-sided stories normally usually don't make it when sources aren't checked on the other side," Brown said. "The story has absolutely no credibility with me because the writer did the same thing exactly last year and it's obvious he has an agenda, in my mind, against Texas."
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with all that has transpired since October
has there ever been a higher level of hatred toward sooner?
Disciplina Praesidium Civitatis.
yes
but i can’t remember a time when the whole Longhorn nation was this torch-and-pitchfork pissed.
Disciplina Praesidium Civitatis.
I don't care that much about this story....
To me we are spending a lot of time on a kid we didn’t get, who apparently is kind of a drama queen and a mam’s boy. Let him enjoy Norman.
I want Kennard, and Kirkpatrick. Lets pick them up and Introduce them to a guy named Gilbert and a beast named Okafor – let them hook up with the best 3 Offensive linemen in this year senior class from Texas on say Jan 5th around 6 pm or so.
Tell them to wear something orange and enjoy the show as we stomp the Buckeyes on our way to a Top 2 finish for 2009. And if they are lucky, they keep their mouth shut, listen, learn, and give everything they have, then Maybe they can join the rest of the members of the 2nd winningest program in NCAA history as it begins its National Championship run next year.
"A lot of people look for the easy way to do anything, in swimming there is no easy way." - Eddie Reese
P.S. 45-35
which 3?
just curious which one is being written off…
Paden Kelly is actually like the 6th or 7th
best Texas OL in this class according to Rivals. But he can come too…….
"A lot of people look for the easy way to do anything, in swimming there is no easy way." - Eddie Reese
P.S. 45-35
me too.
let’s hope they warm-up for the bloodbath by slapping the buckeyes all around glendale
Disciplina Praesidium Civitatis.
Well done!
Can’t talk about recruits, so this is probably about as good as we’re going to get. A head coach calling out a newspaper, hopefully this side of the story will finally generate some press.
It's interesting he saved this for a large media audience.
Now they can do a credibility check as well.
Curious
Would Texas present to the NCAA any violations they may have on another team, specifically from the university that shall not be named?
NY Times
What about contacting the ombudsman? This is the person that can make a call on the ethics and journalistic integrity of an article. I am a subscriber. Anyone else?
The Times’ public editor (their ombudsman) is Clark Hoyt who you can email at public@nytimes.com or call at (212) 556-7652.
What if Jmac changes his mind before Feb. 4th?
I think he was used by his mother and the OU beat writer. Seems to me, through all this, Mack was the only one who actually care about the kid as a person….
i seriously doubt we'd take him
at this point
Disciplina Praesidium Civitatis.
Doubt
the team would accept him into the fold at this time.
Why would he want to choose TX after all this, the kid is probably embarrased as shit. What his family should do is save face and move to Mobilehoma!
I think he’s already hung Thayer out to dry by stating he didn’t know how he received the copy of his English paper. If he says anything else, he’s going against his momma. What if mom has a Come-to-Jesus moment, realizes she’s screwed her son over…and blows OU outta the water?
I know it’s not gonna happen but I do feel bad for him. After following his recruitment this past year, I doubt he asked for this or brought this on himself in any way. Seems like a good kid in a bad situation that got worse when his family decided they needed to go into pockets…
i certainly doubt he’ll come to texas, he’s already getting a ton of shit from texas fans, and oklahoma fans are embracing him.. we’re just driving him away at this point.
by Displaced Longhorn on Dec 29, 2008 8:27 PM CST reply actions
hmm, dunno why it does that, copy and paste the link into your address bar (right click, copy link location) and it works fine. basically its his status that says “Jamarcus Macfarland is tired of haters. You just motivate me. I’m still gone get my degree and money. BOOMER SOONER!”
by Displaced Longhorn on Dec 30, 2008 1:41 AM CST up reply actions
His money?
Did he get a job at Big Red Auto?
by burntorangehorn on Dec 31, 2008 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
I think we have a winner for enemy of the nation
Thayer Evans
--always Texas--
by longtimelonghorn on Dec 29, 2008 8:27 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I also think we have our annual “Enemy of the Nation Recruit.” I wonder if a disaster (not an injury) will befall JM or if living in Norman is his punishment.
Have to disagree
Purgatory is Norman with a nicer name
But I guess you wouldn’t have sold many records with a song that went:
Purgatory, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh
Purgatory, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm
Purgatory, Purgatory, my love
Jimmy called me on the phone but I was gone, not at home
Cuz I was out parked all alone with darlin’ Purgatory…
Ah well. Purgatory, Norman… potato, potahto
by Longhorn in Canada on Dec 29, 2008 11:46 PM CST up reply actions
Hey, you're invading doowop heaven with that.
Nice catch, though, LiC.
Emmm, sorry but...
Switzer (ptooie) is still the owner of that dubious honor. Evans doesn’t even get to lick the man’s shoes for this transgression. Not that he’s anywhere near the “friend of the nation” list either, but let’s not get carried away just yet.
For shits and giggles....
is it too much to ask Mack Brown to call out Thayer Evans to a duel by saying, “I AM A MAN! I’m 57! Let’s take this outside”
my first born shall be named vy
This should be a very interesting week for JM.
He’s in San Antonio with his peers preparing for the Army All-American bowl Saturday, which is usually a pretty fair game itself, especially if you have any interest in recruiting.
We’ve seen from the video intro with Howell and Whaley that the Texas commits there are well aware of this situation and it’s probably one of the topics of general conversation in what is a very macho and achievement oriented atmosphere.
Some tough kids. I was looking up the date on the game when I came across this Army promo story on Xavier Nixon out of North Carolina. Both his parents are army, his father now in Afghanistan, and when Xavier was younger and growing up, both his parents were drill sergeants. Tough in its own way.
What I’m saying is that JM is going to encounter some things which might challenge him and his manhood long before he hits the field.
A thought
Would players feel comfortable with a teammate that will complain about behavior that he does not approve of…i.e. alcohol and girls romancing each other? I would be skeptical of having someone like that on my team.
Ain't nothing but a hound dog,
Crying all the time.
Perhaps the most recognizable mascot in sports, and certainly the toughest looking, Bevo is a fixture
by run Bevo run on Dec 29, 2008 9:49 PM CST up reply actions
IM 6 FOOT 3 AND I PLAY FOR THE LUFKIN PANTHERS. IM A SENIOR! LOVE PARTIES N CHILLING.
his facebook “about me.”
personally i’m sure he loved the party, but his mother didn’t approve.
by Displaced Longhorn on Dec 30, 2008 1:36 AM CST up reply actions
I think his disapproval was part of the spice added to his school paper. I’m betting he was there, enjoyed himself, probably did a few things he wouldn’t want his mother to know, then wrote a paper that he intended more for his mother’s benefit than to accurately portray the party events and his participation.
by burntorangehorn on Dec 31, 2008 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
Anybody else see JM's Rival's video?
All but says “my momma told me to go to OU.” Sad that a man that big can be pushed around by two old women. Hope he eventually grows a pair, wherever he ends up.
"Stats are for losers, I like winning games"
". . .switzer is a cracked out bitch . . ."-osu poster
maybe we could offer his mom a scholarship to play offensive line
by acho81 on Dec 30, 2008 12:39 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Well, I'll be dipped in buttermilk!
Wouldn’t surprise me if Thayer has a bullseye pasted on him the next time he steps in Texas.
" Washington focuses its bailouts on people who take showers before going to work rather than on those people who need a shower after they work. "
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 29, 2008 10:53 PM CST reply actions
However...
Chuck Carlton might want to proofread his column prior to release…
The piece, by writer Thayer Evans, detailed a wild party hosted by Texas fans in Dallas, which McFarland attended. It also reported the offer of an interest-free low to McFarland’s mother,…
What the hell is an interest free “low”?
" Washington focuses its bailouts on people who take showers before going to work rather than on those people who need a shower after they work. "
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 29, 2008 10:56 PM CST up reply actions
sigh...
yes…i know
" Washington focuses its bailouts on people who take showers before going to work rather than on those people who need a shower after they work. "
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 30, 2008 1:27 AM CST up reply actions
That's not really what the original story said imho.
I didn’t read it that way.
From the original Thayer story in NYT:
This is near the start of the story:
McFarland’s mother, Kashemeyia Adams, said she received numerous offers, including one for an interest-free loan for a former classmate, if her son were to choose Texas.
In the final page there’s this follow up about the classmate:
Earlier this month, a former classmate called Adams and asked if she would coax her son into attending Texas. If so, a banker had promised the former classmate any type of loan.
Nowhere does it say the loan is to Adams or for her. You come out of the sentences thinking that’s the logical conclusion, but it is not by any close reading. There’s no connecting sentence saying the former classmate would give the money to her. None. This is very carefully constructed and not a function of direct quotes; it’s all conveniently paraphrased. And this is Thayer’s work, not the moma’s per se.
Thayer, Momma, Carlton
It’s all ambiguous heresy at this point. He said / she said / they said. I, quite frankly have had enough of the story.
"...We ain't no legend, ain't no cause; We're just livin for today...For those about to rock, we salute you..."
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 31, 2008 3:40 AM CST up reply actions
I'm waiting
to see JM put on an LSU cap on signing day.
by Longhorn in Canada on Dec 29, 2008 11:53 PM CST reply actions
Only for a USC cap to be under that one
by goingforthecorner on Dec 29, 2008 11:54 PM CST up reply actions
Nice, I agree
but I still would like to see him sign with LSU, and then get arrested for using a fake ID to get into a casino…
by Longhorn in Canada on Dec 29, 2008 11:57 PM CST up reply actions
But this can only happen
if someone in Baton Rouge can come up with a better job offer for his Mom than office manager for Big Red Motors
by Longhorn in Canada on Dec 29, 2008 11:59 PM CST reply actions
But seriously, folks
I have opined on this site before that Mack’s class, and refusal to run up the score, help us get the kind of high quality kids we want in our program. This was based on the idea that classy kids come from classy parent(s). This has nothing to do with race or economic status. Class is class.
Now we have a situation where it seems that an apparently classy kid somehow achieved that state without the benefit of a classy Mom. All I can do is wish him the best, except for a certain Saturday in October.
by Longhorn in Canada on Dec 30, 2008 12:15 AM CST reply actions
"Class" alert
7 times in that post. hehe
"A lot of people look for the easy way to do anything, in swimming there is no easy way." - Eddie Reese
P.S. 45-35
I see a trend
First Mack calls out coaches who run up the score, then the BCS computers, then a New York Times sports reporter, what could possibly be next…
St. Marks?
Not to change the subject from how gay I am and how much cock OU sucks but they are really good at football.
by SoonerDutch on Dec 30, 2008 12:36 AM CST up reply actions
Wow, normally we have to work a little harder
to put people like you down. But you really made it easy for us there. BTW, Check the P.S.
"A lot of people look for the easy way to do anything, in swimming there is no easy way." - Eddie Reese
P.S. 45-35
Go ahead, let it all out now...
Because in ten days, you won’t be able to say a damn thing.
"Stats are for losers, I like winning games."
by SuperBentley on Dec 30, 2008 12:31 AM CST up reply actions
I guess you got tired of reading the ball stroking on the sooner sites
by EYESOFTEJAS on Dec 30, 2008 12:32 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
pathetic attempt by a pathetic human being
my sooner friend challenged me to a joke rap battle. i burnt him each time and he could only come up with one:
sam bradford is in the championship
colt mccoy is, uh, oh crap, um, he’s in a hotel!
almost…
What about next year?
This Thayer Evans for the last 2 years has managed to coincidentally find a highly sought after recruit, who at the last minute picked some other school. In the coming months we need to discover who he has latched onto and take preventive measure to avoid his achieving a trifecta. Also there has been talk of his being on the Houston Chronicle staff. I searched the Chronicle website and found over 60 articles by him, none sports related, all covering minor local stories. I have not seen anything in the Chronicle about this story. Yesterday, I went on the blog of Joseph Duarte who covers the Horns for the Chronicle and merely asked his take on Evan’s “hatchet job.” He didn’t even print my question, and if you have seen his blog, he needs all the reader comments he can get. I will ask Richard Justice a similar question, since he is a UT grad, but since he hasn’t mentioned the story I assume they have been told not to comment about a fellow “journalist.”
"Only angry people win football games." --DKR
Interesting hobby you have there, doc.
There is something similar in both stories. Each of the recruits and his mother sits down at the table (kitchen) and has this time-period to hash out where he’s going, each listing the schools, the good and bad points for each. In each, all the competing schools are whittled down to two: Texas and Colorado, Texas and OU.
In each story there is a single mother, with no ready male counterpart that is a part of the conversation (not JM’s uncle nor Scott’s uncle). There is no HS coach’s input. No serious point-counterpoint. You don’t get the whole, in-depth conversation, just peeks here and there.
In each, a decision is reached and there is no reflective period, no other opinion allowed to enter into it.
Then, calls are immediately made to inform the respective coaches and schools of the choice. The End.
Very formulaic in this respect. No suggestion of how much writer is injecting into the conversation; he appears as a witness only, according to the way his story flows.
So, out of high profile 5-stars being recruited in this region, single dominant parent, probably poor to some degree: you should be able to narrow that down to a small number relatively quickly.
Follow up
I just asked Richard Justice for his “take” since the Chronicle does not seem to be covering the controversy. He merely responded that he (1) believed the article accurately reflected the family’s feelings, but (2) didn’t agree with the assessment of Mack Brown and his staff. I guess I am not surprised that he won’t criticize someone on the staff (even though Evan’s position on the Chronicle is apparently not in sports). I am more surprised that the Chronicle does not seem to be wanting to have anything to do with the whole controversy, since controversy sells newspapers. It will be interesting to see if Evans remains with the Chronicle.
"Only angry people win football games." --DKR
There is also the chance they are doing a story on this.
In which case, if Justice isn’t doing the story but knows that it is being done, he would defer until he could get something from the writers, or else stall. If you hear something official and bland tomorrow, that could be an indication. With the Texas’ and OU’s respective games next week, they have some time to work on this, looking for a publishing date no earlier than the big Sunday edition.
It would surprise me if they didn’t do a story. But they may have to get their house in order.
In dimecoverage’s round-up for 1-1-09, there is a cite to a story in the Lufkin paper. They said within it that story that Thayer had been asked to comment but there was no response. He doesn’t seem to be talking to anyone one.
The fact that the story was “spiced” indicates that JM was not consulted or questioned about it at the time and JM’s mother obviously believed it. Then Mayer took it as gospel. That’s a problem.
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