I want to go to Miami, damn it!

by 54b on Dec 3, 2008 11:26 AM CST in Football Comment 29 comments

Call the boys at 45-35.com and tell them to gas the plane up and send it to KC this weekend with "56-31, suck it Sooners" on the banner this time. When (and if) OU barely beats Mizzou, a team we thrashed 56-31, and even more coaches and Harris voters realize we're really the better team and put Texas even further ahead of OU in the people polls than they did last week (a lot more), why can't Texas vault OU the way they vaulted us? Like in Revenge of the Nerds, except the jocks and good looking people from Texas win this time. Computers are only 1/3 of the equation and if memory serves (carry the one) the voters still own 2/3 of the pie (mmm, pie). If Ralph Wiggam can beat the smart kids, why can't we?

Seriously, I know it's probably like trying to stuff poop back in a pig, but why can't we throw the proton packs back on, cross the streams, and send the Stoops Puft Marshmallow Man back to the 3rd Dimension or Enid or where ever the hell he came from? BZ, do some of that nerd shit, man, and make it so #2. They may close Wally World, but they don't close Florida. I want to go to Miami damn it!

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I want to go to Miami as well

Graduation gift from my parents

by longhornricky on Dec 3, 2008 11:41 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Classic

Out. Fucking. Standing. 54b…as always

by kriess on Dec 3, 2008 11:50 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Couple of Observations ...

I admire your enthusiasm, tenacity and staunch Longhorns support, but I am afraid of 2 real possibilities:
1. Sooners roll over Mizzou, breaking all-time record for points scored – and leave Mizzou w/ a goose-egg

2. If the game is close, and sooners win by 7 points, the national media & pundits will proclaim it another ou blowout.

by HalfmileHorn on Dec 3, 2008 11:52 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

We should all go to Miami and sit in the stands in Burnt Orange doing Texas cheers.

by billyzane on Dec 3, 2008 11:53 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Yes

I’m down with that.

by UTexasCPA on Dec 3, 2008 12:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I see you regressed from the second stage of grief, anger, back to the first stage, denial. I feel your pain.

by honkskillet on Dec 3, 2008 12:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Lets just hope Mizzou pulls an Upset

If OU beats Mizzou, then they go on to play for the title.. They will be conf champions…
The only way we play in Miami is if Mizzou in a quazi home game, and its at 8 and the temperature is expected to be 20 degrees..

Its going to be a cold night in a place where Mizzou just lost to Kansas, and in a weather that they are best suited for…

There is nothing more to say except.. Go tigers

by Crimson Fog on Dec 3, 2008 12:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Why is conf. champion status so important?

It didn’t stop OU in 2003 or Nebraska in 2001 (oh the horror) from going to the title game.

Since when do meaningless conf. championships factor into the BCS computers anyway?

Besides, we’re Big XII Conf. – South Division Champions.

Tell them to put that in their crysal bowl trophy and smoke it.

Be nobody but yourself in a world that desperately wants you to be like everybody else.

by 54b on Dec 3, 2008 12:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

OU 2003

It didn’t stop OU in 2003

Not only did that not stop them, but the fact that they lost their last game didn’t stop them either.

by Horncasting on Dec 3, 2008 1:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

And, there is a very good argument (usually)

for not seating someone in the big game who didn’t win their conference…e.g., ass-whoopings; how can they be the best in the country if not the best in their backyard, etc. This year, with the godawful tie breaker, that logic doesn’t hold up quite so much.

by Stuck in the Plains on Dec 3, 2008 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

It would be hard to justify the “but they didn’t win their conference!” argument when the sole reason for that is the polls. If they had lost on some other tiebreaker … well, they would have had control of that. But they have no control over the polls.

by SpartanDan on Dec 3, 2008 7:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It's an abomination

That SID’s in the Big East, disinterested Harris cronies in the MWC, and oblivious, agenda-driven coaches in the PAC-10 (just examples), get to determine what happens in the B12.

It’s like Alabama passing a tax on Georgia residents…in Georgia…for commercial activity occuring solely in Georgia. I’m not sure the last time I saw something so egregiously extraterratorial.

by Stuck in the Plains on Dec 4, 2008 7:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It would be nice, but...

Mizzou is terrible. Daniels is a choke artist. OU is going to win the game in the 1st quarter, and spend the rest of the game racking up “style points” for Bradford, which is somehow different than running up the score like a huge douchebag.

by danielt on Dec 3, 2008 12:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

It's going to be a route.

Broken hand and all, Bradford will be chunking deep, Murray will be scoring, all well into the 4th Q up by 30+ points.

by Stuck in the Plains on Dec 3, 2008 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Computers

Does someone with a better understanding of how the computers work know what would happen if OU were to win and Cincinnati were to lose?

I’m assuming that Texas gets a small bump, since OU going to 12-1 helps us slightly more than Mizzou going to 9-4 hurts us. OU gets to add a win over a 9-4 team but is hurt by Cincy falling to 10-3.

I’m guessing there’s a chance for slightly narrowing the computer gap, but how slight would that be? .01? .02? Even .03 (which, in the grand scheme of things, is a very small number)?

If it’s .02 or .03, there’d be a very slim chance of us overtaking OU, particularly if it’s another OU win in which its defense fails to show up (48-45?) and some voters continue to switch to Texas.

I’m not on this scenario, and we have a much better chance of getting to Miami with a Mizzou win or the Florida-not-catching-us scenario, but the odds are better than 0%, now that I think about it a bot.

by kjm017 on Dec 3, 2008 12:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I seriously doubt OU picking up another Quality win

Will result in us closing the gap, no matter what Cincy does.

In the Colley Matrix, one of two computer polls we are ahead of OU in, and it also lets you predict results, if Cincy loses and OU wins, our lead of 0.0185 on OU drops to 0.0016. Judging from this, our relative gap between OU at the very least will be unchanged, and at worse will increase.

Only two polls have a team between us and OU, one has Tech, which didnt play Mizzou, so I cant imagine our gap there would change in our favor with a Mizzou loss, and the other is the one we are currently thowing out, and has Florida in between us.

So in summary, no, we arent gaining any ground on OU in the computers if OU wins.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Dec 3, 2008 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

OK, then maybe the odds are in fact 0%

One less thing to worry about this weekend.

by kjm017 on Dec 3, 2008 1:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

now that is something I haven't though about, but....

We would definately still be ahead in the Colley Rankings, probably the Anderson & Hester Rankings too…….the big question is what would happen to the Sagarin, Wolfe, and Massey computer rankings that are so, so, so close. I know if they flipped, OU would need to gain a pretty good sized portion of the human votes over Texas……..which if Oklahoma barely won, and Alabama won (Bama winning would really put a cap on OU gaining #1 votes as compared to Florida winning)

by silky51 on Dec 3, 2008 1:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

if OU and Alabama win

they will split the #1 and #2 vote and will be in Miami. End of story there holmes.

by DaGoose on Dec 3, 2008 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Computers

There are 2 things that matter, our relative computer strength (or weakness) vs OU and vs Florida.

Up to this point, our computer score includes a win over Mizzou while OU’s does not. OU will get an SOS boost because Mizzou because Mizzou is better than the average OU opponent this season. There should not be any negative impact for OU due to playing Mizzou. Therefore, OU’s raw computer scores should go up.

For Texas, OU beating Mizzou will have a near net zero effect on our SOS. The postitve effect of our opponents playing each other will be netted against Mizzou’s additional loss.

Thus, if we consider the Big XII championship in a vacuum OU’s computer score should increase relative to the Horn’s. Relative to Florida, an OU win will not benefit Texas at all because it will likely have a net zero effect on our computer score.

Relative to Oklahoma, a Cincy win hurts us. Relative to Florida a Cincy win helps us (because it is coupled with a Hawaii loss).

Because the Cincy/Hawaii game gets started late in the evening here’s what you should hope for:

1. In the case OU and Bama win – First realize that there is probably a <3% Texas could get past OU. But for this to happen Cincy MUST lose. So root like hell for Cincy to lose. If Bama’s win is convincing they will keep their advantage over OU in the polls and hopefully whoever had Texas ahead of OU on their ballots keep it that way (this is the big IF that I suspect will NOT hold true). Then, those who had Florida between OU and Texas can move Texas ahead of Florida and close the remaining gap between Texas and OU. The Bama win coupled with the Cincy loss would help Bama’s relative strength vs OU in the computers (which is good for us). These two things together might be able to get us some extra strength relative to OU in the computer polls.

2. In the case OU and Florida win – Root like hell FOR Cincy. A Hawaii win seals the deal for Florida because they’re relative strength vs OU and Texas would increase due to beating Bama and Hawaii winning. A Cincy win tempers the strength of the win against Bama. This scenario could work regardless of the score of the OU/Mizzou game. OU blowout helps them absorb most or all of Bama’s #1 votes. Close OU win could hopefully lead to voters spliting Bama’s 1st place votes nearly evenly among Texas, OU, and Florida. In both cases, Florida can only SQUEEK by Bama for this to work.

by BMG on Dec 3, 2008 1:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Great analysis...

…but you forgot to mention how much alcohol I should be prepared to consume if both OU and Florida win in routs.

by kjm017 on Dec 3, 2008 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

even with a close

victory by OU and Florida, do you honestly believe that an idle Texas will obtain or split ANY first place votes?

by DaGoose on Dec 3, 2008 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

no

which is why I give it less than 3% chance.

Its more likely in the AP and could lead a split championship. I’m pretty sure the Harris and the coaches will split 1st place solely between Bama/Florida winner and OU.

by BMG on Dec 3, 2008 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

in the getting past UF scenario

I should have clarfied this. We stand a better chance to squeek by Florida if OU wins big, Florida wins close and thus OU absorbs all the Bama 1st place votes. If both teams win close, then I agree with you. Most voters will likely put OU and Florida 1 or 2 with Texas as a solid #3. Few if any voters would put Texas ahead of either Florida or OU or both. Hence we probably have a 3% chance in the latter scenario, and maybe something like a 10% to 20% chance in the former scenario (OU near unanimous #1).

by BMG on Dec 3, 2008 2:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks BMG...

lets hope on Sunday that we at least have some poll watching to do……..and maybe, just maybe Texas gets some luck.

by silky51 on Dec 3, 2008 3:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Arizona would be nice in January

I’m pretty crushed about this mess as well, but if it works out that way, Fiesta needs a big Burnt Orange representation to show support for our Horns. Anyone going?

by dschmidt14 on Dec 3, 2008 1:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs