Bevo's Daily Roundup 12.08.08
The Fiesta Bowl
We are heading to Phoenix, well actually Glendale. It is the Fiesta Bowl and Ohio State Buckeyes. FoxSports' Pete Flutak gives you his quick breakdown of the game as he goes through all the BCS bowl match-ups.
Ohio State knows the Fiesta Bowl pretty well. This is their fourth trip to Phoenix (or Glendale) since 2003.
It seems the Buckeyes and Longhorns have something in common. We both got jilted.
More stuff
Mack Brown voted Texas #2 in the coaches poll last week. Why?
Although it would’ve helped his team’s standing in the BCS, Brown said he didn’t think Texas deserved to be ranked ahead of Alabama.
"I was concerned that maybe I had cheated our team," Brown said, "but, very honestly, I thought you go through the SEC undefeated and No. 1 Alabama, in my estimation, should stay No. 1."
The Dallas Morning News picks Colt McCoy as their Big 12 Offensive Player of the Year.
The Oklahoman asks if Colt McCoy will get the sympathy vote for Heisman. This is the same reporter from the same rag that caused Mike Gundy's infamous rant.
Brian Orakpo was named the Bronko Nagurski Trophy winner as the nation's top defensive player. He has also received his UT diploma in Youth and Community Studies major.
A great piece on the New York Times web site about UT by our very own Peter Bean.
Basketball
The No. 9 Longhorn Women's basketball team beat Mississippi 74-50.
The Longhorns broke open a 26-26 tie late in the first half on consecutive 3-pointers by Arriaran and Yvonne Anderson. Texas led 36-29 at halftime and was up 44-29 on Raven’s jump shot with 16:47 left.
Ole Miss (7-1) never got closer than nine points again. Texas led by as many as 26 points in the final four minutes, sparked by a decisive 47-34 rebounding edge, and got points from all 11 players that played.
The Longhorn's 68-64 win over UCLA just wets our appetite for March. Unfortunately, the Bruins forward Josh Shipp hit Damion James with an elbow during the first half, but James is expected to play on Tuesday.
Damion James looked more like a boxer than a basketball player Saturday morning. His right eye was partially shut, his vision blurred.
"I've got a headache," the Longhorns junior forward said.
Coach Rick Barnes joked that James needs to shoot more often using one eye.
"I'm going to buy him a patch today," Barnes said.
Big 12 co-champions Texas, Nebraska and Iowa State are going to the 2008 NCAA Division I Women's Volleyball Championship Round of 16.
The No. 1 Texas men's swimming team won the Texas Invitational. Longhorn Dave Walters set a U.S. record in the 200 freestyle.
Football
The Big 12 coaches are not in favor of a title game. But as long as the game provides money to athletic departments, it is probably here to stay.
Football is definitely not a game for the weak. Graham Harrell was injured in the second quarter of the Baylor game and continued to play with nine breaks in his hand.
Austin American's Statesman's Randy Riggs asked Texas A&M players Trent Hunter and Alton Dixon their thoughts on the best team in the South division. Both agreed on the answer: The Sooners.
Hunter based his decision on OU’s superior rushing attack. Dixon’s opinion was a little more personal.
"I don’t like them," he said, referring to the Longhorns. "I’m not going to say anything else."
Aggie tailback Mike Goodson will probably not return for his senior season.
Kansas State's Bill Snyder faces a tough battle ahead in a very competitive conference.
The Big 12 is a different animal than the Big Eight he entered in 1989, or even the Big 12 he left in 2005. Missouri is an annual contender for the conference championship game. Nebraska is on the rise. Kansas went to the Orange Bowl last season. Kansas State will have to play three South Division opponents each year. The South has established itself as equal to the SEC East with four teams currently ranked in the top 11.
Sure, he is used to playing those teams, but that was when Kansas State was a power. Now it is trying to lift itself up. Again. As great a coach as he is, Snyder had a great staff that went on to great careers. At his age, can he assemble the 2008 equivalent of his coaching tree -- Bob Stoops, Mike Stoops, Mark Mangino and Jim Leavitt?
Nebraska's Bo Pelini got some very high praise this season.
"Sometimes the greatest coaching jobs in the world are done by people who have a losing record. You just have to go with what you've got. I don't know that you can evaluate on the won-loss record, although it was very good. I was pleased with it. They did a great job turning around some things that needed to be turned around."
Osborne's opinion matters, and not just because he's Pelini's boss.
Osborne, 71, remains the face of the Huskers' glory years, having been an assistant under Bob Devaney and then head coach from 1973 to 1997. As head coach, he never won fewer than nine games a season. He won 255 in all and national titles in 1994, '95 and '97.
The Big 12 Bowl line-up.
Those damn Sooners
I'm sure you already know this, but it is Florida vs. Oklahoma for the national championship. The Sooners had a chip on their shoulder. They seem tired of everyone bringing up the whole Texas issue.
"We wanted to prove a point," said OU quarterback Sam Bradford.
OU demolished Missouri in the Big 12 championship game. Missouri coach Gary Pinkel was a litle more than impressed with quarterback Sam Bradford.
"The guy's playing probably as good as anybody I've seen play," said Pinkel, who called Bradford's 48-6 TD-INT ratio "borderline staggering."
Sam Bradford is the leading candidate for the Heisman trophy.
A dramatic statement from The Oklahoman. They believe the Sooner offense is one for the ages.
On the way, the Sooners reached historic heights, becoming the first team in college football's modern era to break the 700-point barrier and score at least 60 points in five consecutive games.
Who really knows if this is the greatest offense since Walter Camp introduced line of scrimmage and down and distance to football in the 1870s.
But good luck finding one better.
In the last 130 years of college football, only two schools, 1886 Harvard and 1904 Minnesota, have totaled more than 700 points in a season.
CBSSports' Dennis Dodd says the OU-Florida match-up example of how the two best conferences made it to the top.
The supercilious Stoops. Your Monday just would not be the same without Bob.
Bob Stoops takes the high road again. OU's coach bristled at the suggestion he is creating a dynasty at Oklahoma.
"I don't like any of that stuff," Stoops fired back. "You won't get a comment from me about any of that. It wouldn't be right."
The BCS made him do it. Don't blame Bob Stoops for the huge score in the Missouri game. The fault belongs to the BCS.
Bob gives the BCS what it wants. He felt the need to make a statement.
Stoops defended the decision to aggressively shoot for 60 in his postgame comments, suggesting that the BCS system demands style points.
"After all that’s been said about us, we’re in a championship game and we’re going to play till the end," Stoops said. "That’s a pretty convincing win in a championship game, when we had to have it. That makes a pretty big statement, if [voters] want it to."
Bob has principles. Stoops gave up his vote in the coach's poll.
"You know, I'm not going to speak about it ... I had my reasons,'' he said. ''Do I wish I'd had it back? I don't know. I felt I didn't do it for certain principles, so I've got to stick by that and trust my gut that that's the right thing to do.''
Basketball
More damn Sooners news, just a different sport. No.6 Oklahoma beat Tulsa 69-44. 21 NBA scouts were there to watch Blake Griffin.
Not only has Blake Griffin made an impact in the game, but he may have changed recruiting for OU as well.
Kids don't grow up yearning to play basketball for the Oklahoma Sooners.
Even Jeff Capel, who had never stepped foot in the state prior to the news conference in which he was introduced as the head coach at Oklahoma three years ago, realized it soon after taking the job.
But Blake Griffin may change that. In fact, he already has.
FoxSports' Jeff Goodman learned 10 things attending 11 games in six states over a seven days. No.7 is that Blake Griffin will be the No.1 draft pick.
The Aggies win one. A&M beat Arizona 67-66.
'Round The Blogs
Barking Carnival's srr50 discusses Mike Leach's wish to the leave the thriving metropolis of Lubbock, but no one will give him a pass to get out. CloseToJumping's Turd Soup for the Sunshine Pumping Soul has what could be called the winter of discontent.
Rock M Nation has a rant on the Big 12 tie-breaker. I wonder how they feel about Oklahoma today?
Bring On The Cats TB defends his post about the Big 12 commissioner not caving to pressure from a certain school.
I Am The 12th Man's Beergut discusses a permanent home for the Big 12 title game.
Fair warning. The Crimson and Cream Machine will not allow any flaming from whiney, boneheaded Texas fans. Maybe we'll make him feel better if everyone goes on over and thanks him for his letter of apology? Gosh, we would just hate to upset a Sooner.
BCS- Beyond Common Sense
FoxSports' Pete Flutak looks at five reasons that the BCS got it right and five reasons why the BCS got it wrong.
Dennis Dodds has a way to fix the BCS. His answer? Two national champions.
More BCS Realpolitik from Dr. Saturday.
The Coaching Carousel
It seems Dennis Franchione has surfaced again. He may be a candidate for the coaching vacancy at San Diego State University.
Following the gravy train of college sport... money.
Mike Leach was offered a contract extension from Tech, a five-year deal worth a total of $12.1 million. This may take away some of the pain of living in Lubbock. The Wiz of Odds has some more on the pirate soap opera going on in The Hub.
Mike Gundy can buy a lifetime supply of that oily substance he uses in his hair. He just got a a seven-year, $15.7 million deal.
The Wall Street Journal discusses the rise of southern football and what it means in terms of a growing economy and a population boom. They also look at coaching salaries and who actually foots the bill.
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This is just an amazing compilation of information. ntwhills
"A lot of people look for the easy way to do anything, in swimming there is no easy way." - Eddie Reese
P.S. 45-35
by SwimTexas on Dec 8, 2008 12:56 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Big XII bias?
Interesting to note that the volleyball news story on big12sports.com has the Huskers’ paragraph first and the Gazelles’ second, despite the fact that Texas is the higher seed.
Still a Blaine Irby fan
by patienthornsfan on Dec 8, 2008 6:20 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Even more amazing
is that according to some of the NYT commenters, Peter Bean is biased in favor of the Longhorns. {gasp!}
by horndude on Dec 8, 2008 8:24 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
great stuff
but where did you get that paragraph about Griffin changing Oklahoma’s recruiting fortunes? There’s no link or attribution.
by andy_wooster on Dec 8, 2008 8:50 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks!
Sorry, I forgot to link that. I’ve been driving around southern Virginia all day so couldn’t check in. :-)
by dimecoverage on Dec 8, 2008 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Everything is cheaper Lubbock
I wonder how Leach feels about having a better season than Gundy’s team and then getting an offer $720,000 less per season ( plus having to live in Lubbock).
by Xerxes on Dec 8, 2008 8:51 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Commented reply
The Oklahoman asks if Colt McCoy will get the sympathy vote for Heisman. This is the same reporter from the same rag that caused Mike Gundy’s infamous rant.
Im sure it will get deleted at some point, so here is the comment I left on that page.
You are obviously not a mother. Of children.
Three fourths of this is inaccurate. Its fiction.
That’s why I don’t read the internet! Because it’s garbage! And the editor who let it come out is garbage!
Mike, Stillwater – Dec 8, 2008 8:53 AM
Long live Gundy!
by BoddickerIsClutch on Dec 8, 2008 9:03 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
Well Done Sir
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Dec 8, 2008 10:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
January 2009
A Texas win and an OU loss in January will be my late Christmas present. Thanks for the coverage.
by UTexasCPA on Dec 8, 2008 9:20 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Mack
Although it would’ve helped his team’s standing in the BCS, Brown said he didn’t think Texas deserved to be ranked ahead of Alabama.
“I was concerned that maybe I had cheated our team,” Brown said, “but, very honestly, I thought you go through the SEC undefeated and No. 1 Alabama, in my estimation, should stay No. 1.”
I’d like some further insight as to why he ranked Florida #1 in the final poll. I STILL DON’T GET IT. Everyone is giving Florida a pass for their HOME loss against Ole Miss, including Coach Brown. I feel like I’m living in some sort of bizarro world. I mean, is anyone looking at the body of work here?
Everyone is so busy pitting Texas against OU that they forgot to compare Florida and Texas. And for what, a National Championship between two different conferences? That’s not the way the system is designed. It’s designed to pit the two best teams, with the best resumes against each other. Period.
For all the problems with the computers, it’s evident that they are not swayed by the CBS/ESPN lovefest with Florida. Recent events are as relevant as past events to the computers, in this case a loss to an 8-4 team at home. It’s garbage.
by SuperHorn on Dec 8, 2008 9:40 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
It is garbage
And it does feel like bizarro world. There is a case to be made for ranking OU ahead of Texas but NOT Florida or anybody else (Utah and Boise St. excluded). Texas’ resume is even stronger than Alabama’s. Sometimes I feel like the only person who is attuned to this tomfoolery. Horns in ’09! Sooners NO in ’09!
by UTexasCPA on Dec 8, 2008 9:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My assumption
He ranked Florida ahead because they won their conference championship.
You would be incorrect to believe the BCS is designed to put the two best teams together. On paper they say that. Reality says the put the two best teams that are from different conferences. That’s what generates the most $$$. That’s why the bend over back wards for the Notre Dames, USCs, Ohio States of the world. They have huge fan bases that watch the games and buy the advertiser’s crap. It’s also exactly why they will not move to a playoff system. Imagine the pasting they would receive in a Boise State vs. Oregon St. playoff to determine who plays Utah. Let’s be honest, the only time Cincy vs. VT will come on my tv screen is when Sportscenter rolls out the highlights. The BCS is just a means to an end. Unfortunately the end is in someone else’s bank account that isn’t under my name.
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by run Bevo run on Dec 8, 2008 11:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mississippi isn't that bad
Sagarin has them ranked 23rd. That’s not a horrible loss at all.
by andy_wooster on Dec 8, 2008 11:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not that bad but still worst loss of the 3 teams
of UT, OU, UF. And it was the only home loss from those 3 teams.
by Horncasting on Dec 8, 2008 11:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
True
But if we lost at home to one of Ole Miss, California, Iowa, or Nebraska, I would consider that a pretty bad loss this year. And think where Ole Miss would be ranked if they lost that Florida game.
by Texas Wahoo on Dec 8, 2008 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
dee dah dah du nah nah GO GATORS..
as if it were possible, i hate oklahoma even more now. Complete Joke of a system. Hook Em Horns..Let’s shut Pryor up!
by jacobb23 on Dec 8, 2008 11:15 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
If it was just Tech and Texas, would you complain about Tech in the final?
After seeing the comment at C&C Machine, I dropped in to let them know where I thought most of us stood on head-to-head competition for breaking ties:
First off, thank you for your civil and even sympathetic communications over at BON. You have done much to counter the OU stereotype we have over there. Looks to me like you run a good blog here.
And second, the reason I dropped in, let me say loud and clear: Had OU lost to OSU and left Texas and Tech in a tie, I would have no complaint whatsoever about Tech being selected over Texas. The head-to-head record would have settled matters. I doubt you can find anyone over at BON who says different.
Naturally, somebody wanted to dispute that, so I said I’d ask here and see what others think. Would you have complained about Tech going to the Big 12 championship?
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.
by Caradoc on Dec 8, 2008 12:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
No complaint
Of course I still think Texas should have gone to the NC game in Miami, but not the CCG in Kansas City.
by Texas Wahoo on Dec 8, 2008 12:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a tough call.
In my mind, the fact that Tech was a Big 12 Champion would matter none to the evaluation. The fact that Tech beat Missouri would of course count, but to count the fact that they are Big 12 Champions as something that would increase their resume over Texas’ is to actually double count their win over Texas: first, you’d count the actual game result (totally fair), but then you’d effectively count it again because that’s the only reason Tech even got to the Big 12 Championship game. Anyway, my point is: you’d have to take every game for what it was: one game.
At any rate, Texas’ loss, while to Tech, was on the road and was decided with 1 second left in the game. Tech lost by 44 on the road to a team Texas beat on a neutral field. The rest of their schedules would be remarkably similar (with the hypothetical Tech victory over Missouri) though Tech did play 2 division 2 teams, and struggled mightily with both Baylor and Nebraska, so I think advantage Texas. Plus, I’d have a hard time putting any team in the national championship game that lost a game by 44 points. I mean, 44 points? How can you have any claim to be one of the top 2 teams in the country when you lost a game by 44 points?
It’s hard in theory to imagine 1-loss, non-Big12-Champion Texas jumping the 1-loss conference champion that also beat Texas, but if you compare the resumes side-by-side, I think Texas wins. And contrary to what some people were foolishly arguing, that’s the true measure of “deserve,” not just straight-up head to head. All things being equal, head-to-head breaks the tie. But in this hypothetical, Tech and Texas wouldn’t have equal resumes, which I think is the difference.
But I certainly agree that in such a hypothetical situation, Tech definitely would have deserved to go to Kansas City. Beat us fair and square.
by billyzane on Dec 8, 2008 4:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wouldn't have complained about Tech...
a few caveats though… things that Medium-Game Bob and his minions are doing their best to have nobody think about…
When you’re comparing teams, head-to-head is by far the best indicator to use. It is not, however, the only factor. For instance, nobody seriously makes a case that Ole Miss is better/more deserving than Florida. And to put it in terms that even sooners can understand – nobody really thinks last year’s Colorado team was better than OU. Why is that? Because a lot of other criteria come into play besides the head-to-head. Medium-Game has been busy calling this: “body of work”, although, shockingly, he misuses the term to his advantage to mean simply and only: "look how many pretty points we scored!!!"
In reality, you also have to look at the schedule itself – what teams played, where, when – all these factors make a huge difference in the actual strength of the schedule. And you look at the games themselves – how much of a struggle was it? did fluky plays determine the outcome (and no, I’m talking generally here – not about the Crabtree play, which, while a great play and not one that would work all that often, was absolutely not a fluke)? how did the teams react to adversity? how easily could the outcome have been different? For the most part, these criteria aren’t taken into account much, but when the gross differences – such as the W/L record – have still left a question, I think you absolutely look more closely.
So when it comes to Tech – I think we clearly had a substantially better resume (well, if you define “substantial” within the limits of an identical record within the same division, of course. To be fair, within the larger context, Tech has proven itself to be an elite team this year, and in terms of resume, if I call ours “substantially better”, I don’t know what I’d call the gulf between Tech and, say, Cincinnati or Virginia Tech. Let’s face it, lost amid the other injustices of the system this year, it’s ludicrous that those teams are not at home watching Tech play in a BCS Bowl…). We played a much tougher schedule – not only the non-con, but let’s face it, nobody – and I mean NOBODY – has played a tougher schedule than Texas with that four-game stretch. Even if you played the same teams, unless you played them back-to-back-to-back-to-back without a bye ending AT Lubbock, you did not play as tough a schedule. We also won our games more convincingly, and lost more nobly. If you take out the head-to-head, there’s no way in the world anyone (even Harris voters) can fairly or honestly say we were not better/more deserving than Tech.
And yet… if it’s just us and Tech, I vote Tech. That head-to-head – no matter the details, no matter the dropped passes, the dropped INTs, the last second play, the injuries, the officiating – at the end of the day, they beat us. And it would take more than the mountain of evidence we touched on to overturn that result with the identical records.
Now the thing of it is – when you add OU to the mix, things get more complicated. I know “High-road” Bob takes the opportunity to tell anyone holding a mike – “Oh, you just have to throw out the head-to-head because Tech beat UT, and we beat Tech, and if you think too much about it, it just makes your head hurt, so the only fair thing is to not count those games at all except for how many points we scored against Tech. The only possible way to be fair is just to count offensive points over the last half of the season, yeah, that’s the only way to judge…” And let’s face it, enough cretins voters bought it. In the end though, that doesn’t make it any less specious.
Anywhere else in life where you run into an A>B>C>A situation, you probably (long before you let “your head hurt” like an okie…) break it down. You say to yourself – “well, let’s look closely at A vs. B, and then A vs. C, then we’ll look at B vs. C. Let’s see where that leaves us…”
If you do that in this situation – I believe for all the reasons mentioned above Tech beats Texas, but by a fairly close margin. Versus OU, Tech loses bigtime.
So, what about Texas vs. OU? If you take all the above criteria into consideration, is there any way OU wins, other than "look how many pretty points we scored!!!"? They love to point to their non-con, but, let’s face it, does anyone, and I do mean ANYONE truly believe either TCU or Cincy would beat Texas at home? Really??? And although our non-conference is nothing to write home about, we didn’t play any 1AA or winless teams either. Unless you’re seriously prepared to make your case on the Frogs/Bearkats, you pretty much have to consider the non-con schedule a wash. Their conference schedule, naturally is pretty similar, but without the murderer’s row we faced. In the end, that clearly makes our season, again without any head-to-head at least as good, if not better. Personally, I would have loooooooved to have a bye week prior to our game in Lubbock. Would it have made a difference? Who knows, but I bet it sure wouldn’t have hurt…
So what’s left for OU to overcome the head-to-head, neutral field, double figures loss to Texas? How much more should a 66-28 victory count than a 49-9 victory? How much difference is there in a 62-21 beatdown with your first string in the entire game and a 56-31 beatdown where the reserves played most of the second half? That’s actually not a rhetorical question – in the end, it seems a huge number of voters determined that, in fact, the differences in scores were enough to overturn a clear and convincing neutral field win. I personally just can’t see it. I think if you judged OU vs Texas head-to-head, the, well, head-to-head is absolutely dispositive, and that absent that, it would at best be a wash – our tougher schedule versus their bigger margin of victory – and that margin, by the way, is not all that much. Their real claim is not even the margin, since that brings into account the defensive part of the formula; it’s, well, it’s: "look how many pretty points we scored!!!" writ large. In the end though, despite the most fervent wishes of Medium-game, the two teams DID play, and Texas DID win, and convincingly. If you compare just those two teams, Texas is the clear, and by a substantial margin, winner.
Now, when you bring all that data together, Tech is clearly not going to win out in a 3-way affair, and honestly, unless you really, really, really think that running up scores is the be-all and end-all of college football, I don’t think you can honestly or legitimately say that OU wins out either.
Sadly, I don’t think computers take into account real-life criteria regarding schedule toughness, so I imagine OU comes out about even with Texas there, although I highly doubt you could find any football coach in the nation who would trade OU’s schedule this year with Texas’. And the human voters seem to have either not put much actual rigor into their thinking on this whole thing or they just went all flashy-eyed at OMG 60 pts!!! and called it a day. Or they’re just plain inept…
Anyway… sorry for the length, but it’s been stewing inside for these last few weeks…
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