USA Today Coaches Poll: Florida and OU essentially tied for #1
This is horrible news for Texas. The Longhorns are behind Florida by 73 votes. Even with a .04 advantage in the computers, which is about as much as we could hope for, Texas would need to be ahead of Florida in the Harris poll. This isn't going to happen. Last week's Harris had Florida #2, Texas #3, and OU #4. It is not a stretch to predict Florida and OU taking the top spots this week.
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great...something concrete to focus on
i’ve f-ing had it. Let’s go to whatever bowl they tell us and begin the bloody campaign of domination and humiliation that will end only when we raise the MNC trophy next year.
Disciplina Praesidium Civitatis.
Boomer Sooner
Boomer Sooner
I told you this is how it would turn out, the week before the UT-Tech game…….
Good luck UT
Stoops is classless...and OU, get ready for your thumping by FL and another well coached team...the first well coached team you faced this season beat you in October. This next one will pound you on January 8th. We will see you in our rear view mirror.
by Mulliganville on Dec 7, 2008 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
Since you lost on the field to Tech
you’re going to pass on the Fiesta Bowl and give it to Tech, right?? Because, head to head, Tech beat you, 39-33, right… UT and Tech have the same record… But, they beat you head to head, so, according to UT’s math, they’re the better team, and they should go to the Fiesta Bowl, and UT to the Cotton….
I'm not arguing that we should go, though I think we should...
But it’s pretty pathetic that you choose to taunt the fans of a team that beat you on a neutral field. Scoreboard?
Not a taunt
I’m proud of UT, actually….. I want them to do well, win their bowl game.
I said WEEKS ago that if UT won at Tech they’d win it ALL… But if Tech beat them, this is where we’d be…..
BUT, I will point out that UT’s argument is not necessarily the whole story, that the whole season DOES have everything to do with it.
I live in Texas, and my girlfriend is a Texan
So I root for them by default. And of course I’ll root for the conference. AND, Colt has really won me over, I’ve become a big fan of him, if not the team….
But, I’m proud of my team as well.
well go be proud of 'your team'
on a sooner blog – NOT this one, please.
"When you get to the end zone, act like you've been there before."
Any "Texan Girl"
that would date a land-thief is probably actually a man, or some type of farm animal.
by Texas Our Texas on Dec 7, 2008 1:02 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
and dont be so naive...
Your loss to UT was not abysmal. FL loss to Ole Miss, while unranked and at home, was not abysmal. TT got destroyed and you simply are eliminated by that performance in CF for the MNC. You know this…don’t be prideful. Just be glad the system worked for you this season and TRY not to lose another BCS game…
by Mulliganville on Dec 7, 2008 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
We will try
This is not the same team of years past. And, the more adversity placed against them has helped them all the more. I AM prideful that after the UT loss the team COULD have floundered, but instead found ways to improve.
Dammit, don't respond to Texas Sooner.
This guy is just here to piss us all off. He obviously gets off on our angry responses to his nonsense. Just ignore his bullshit posts.
Blah
then give us your national championship spot. Its a cyclical argument, but in the end you cannot say that Oklahoma beat Texas.
"Stats are for losers, I like winning games."
by SuperBentley on Dec 7, 2008 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
I tip my hat to Texas
UT beat us that day. I have NEVER denied that. Every post I’ve ever made on here has never argued that we got BEAT that day. I’ve not thrown up the ‘Reynolds’ argument, or other things. UT out and out beat us. I think OU played their worst game of the year, and that if they played THAT day 10 times, OU wins 6, but does it matter?? No, UT was the victor….. Plain and simple…
My only stance is that since then, Oklahoma has become much improved. More focused, more determined, and really playing more like they are capable….
since then, stoops has run up the score against hapless defenses...
passing last night with 4 minutes to go into the end zone from 45yards away is all you need to know about little game bobby. The system is unfair…usc got hosed, now UT gets hosed and you were the benefactor each time. I do not know why the media dry humps the leg of stoops…good luck against FL…you will need to play perfect football to win that game.
Additionally, I would say that UT’s worst game of the year was at TT…this proves what exactly? NADA…it was a loss. The system is abysmal…period.
by Mulliganville on Dec 7, 2008 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
We all know that
And there is no chance that you will convince that dude that his team doesnt belong in the NC PERIOD.
I’m sure this is one of those guys who thinks, after all of this, that the RRS is not considered “neutral territory” because it’s in Texas. Dumbest crap ever.
"Stats are for losers, I like winning games."
by SuperBentley on Dec 7, 2008 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
No, the idiots
That claim it’s not a neutral field are morons…
I live in Dallas. The game is here, but the PLAYERS play on the field, where it’s half and half. It’s a neutral game.
And the best game in college football.
Not so fast
In all other games than this one, OU is no more guilty of using their first-teamers than Texas has been. The attempt to try to make OU appear to be aberrant in this is ludicrous. OU and UT’s second string players have accrued about the same amount of play this year, with UT achieving MANY more points under their belt. So if anything, OU was very INEFFICIENT with their second string.
But this game WAS different. OU had taken a lot of lip during the week. From Texas. From Missouri. From ‘renowned’ analysts that likened this game to 2003, projecting another shocking surprise that the Sooners would be unprepared for.
Guess what. Oklahoma was ready. Oklahoma had EVERY reason to score as many as they could. First of all, Missouri could STOP THEM, if they could. Guess what, they couldn’t. Second of all, they had something to prove. You don’t think we’re very good? Guess what, we ARE.
Colt and Chase talked during the week. C’mon Chase, these Sooners aren’t so great, you can shock the world.
Turn the game around. Put Missouri ahead 31-10, do you think Chase would have been on the bench? Hell no.
You want to blame Oklahoma for playing 60 minutes? You want to blame Oklahoma for having a potent offense? You want to blame the offensive line for working this summer to lose weight, to become agile, to gain stamina to be able to play 60 minutes, to dominate the line? You want to blame players for practicing, for fine tuning, for excelling above and beyond their peers?
Why don’t you put the blame where it belongs. On the opposing DEFENSE. It’s OU’s fault they’re not in condition? That they can’t play 60 minutes?
One last comment. Before you dare get holier than thou, look back at 2005. 70-3. Where was the ‘mercy’? Where was the ‘taking the knee’. Oh yeah, that was Mack Brown trying to get VY a Heisman….. Texas’ hypocrasy obviously has short memories……
Yeah except...
It was 70-3 with 7 minutes left in the third. We weren’t bombing it with 4 minutes left to go. Colorado didn’t even try to contest that game. We could have scored over 100 easily.
Okay, so.......
So, 63-3 wasn’t enough? 56-3? When was enough??
I actually don’t really find a problem with that game, and yes, it was just a horrid CU defense, and UT let up early early on…….
My point was, last night’s game, YES, I wholly agree, the team, the fans, the coaches, and the players, WANTED points, and for the reasons I’ve stated. And to include history. But, before last night’s game, no, they didn’t play any more or less than UT did during the season
most of the last few TD's were defensive
want us to take a knee or fumble at the 1 yard line while we ran it in?
Like I said
I don’t blame UT for that game….
It was CU’s responsibility to stop them
its is the play calling...
when you run it up by air…it is unsportsmanlike. When they cannot stop the run…that is football.
by Mulliganville on Dec 7, 2008 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
dude: have a little class
you know as well as i do that bob runs it up…stop comparing mack to him…stoops is a hell of a coach…but by the plays he calls LATE in the games is the difference. If you cannot see this, well, you are from OU…that says enough.
by Mulliganville on Dec 7, 2008 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
A&M
How about A&M for an example?
Bradford and McCoy each played 1 series into the 4th quarter. OU ran almost nothing but running plays the whole 4th quarter. They didn’t score in the 4th quarter. How was that running it up?
Hapless defenses????
The same OSU defense that held UT to 28, at home???
The same Tech defense that held McCoy to 33?
dude...31-10 with mizzou up...
sure chase would be in….throwing from the 40 with 4 min. to go in the game up by 34, what do you call that? Be honest…if you can.
by Mulliganville on Dec 7, 2008 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
My score didn't really have anything to do with it
I only used the score I did to make it a bit more reasonable. But let’s completely reverse it….
I guarantee you, that if last night had gone differently, and Missouri had been up 55-21, that Chase Daniels would have been in the game, THROWING FOR SCORES with 4 minutes to go. Why? For Missouri to prove a point.
Well guess, OU was doing the same thing.
the fact that you come here
to be contrarion says a bit about you
and to those that actually spend time engaging in circular logic with this guy
.. stop, situation is out of everyone’s hands here
and it’s not even worth the energy discussing the situation
i’d rather instead focus on the good, and get my drinking spot ready for whichever game we end up in
Personally
I’d love to see UT in the Sugar Bowl, not the Fiesta
Matchup against Ohio State is a best case scenario in the Fiesta, and even that should be a massacre….
A grip needs to be gotten.
TexasSooner is not a troll (if you think he is, you need to spend some more time in the putrid depths of the internet). He disagrees with a large portion of us. Disagree with him with logic and a modicum of class. We’re Texas.
The ability to write in complete sentences and avoid profanity...
…doesn’t make him any less of a troll.
At face value
your comments seem to be rationality in the face of emotion.
But it simply isn’t true. A careful look at TexasSooner’s posts shows he has no motive of meanigful discourse, he is simply having fun getting Texas fans agitated. Yes, our fellow Longhorns shouldn’t allow him to get under their skins, but let’s not overcompensate and disregard the fact that he is, in fact, a troll.
New unofficial rule of BON, do not attempt a meaningful response to this guy until he has something constructuve to offer the community. Getting ignored is the best incentive for him to go away. Or if you must, every time he posts here, simply respond with a curt “45-35.”
A perfect analogy of Texas and Oklahoma Fans and rivalry.
This year Oklahoma was Ricky Bobby. And Texas is the gay frenchman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNkM4ow5iKU
Hey Texas sooner, how
do you rationalize not winning a bcs game…ever. Why would you think this year is different? ou will embarass themselves and the announcers will be wondering aloud if the voters made a mistake by sending the wrong team.
2000
Um, OU did win a BCS game, Stoop’s first, and his first National Championship game….
Awesome
1-2 in shots at the BCS National Championship. What makes you think that this year will be any different from the last 3 BCS games Stoops has sullied?
"Stats are for losers, I like winning games."
by SuperBentley on Dec 7, 2008 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
I wont
After all, we all know OU fans will probably not be on this board post – MNC game. Its that beautiful 6 month hibernation period from all OU fans after a BCS beatdown.
"Stats are for losers, I like winning games."
by SuperBentley on Dec 7, 2008 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
Why............
Why do you make it about coaches, and not players???
Two years ago, Mack was 3-6 in the RRR, does that mean that he could not win ever again???
Different team. Different focus.
I was using sooner math
i only counted what happened lately and disregarded the whole picture. Sooner math also says bama got screwed. They lost by double digits on a neutral field when they were ranked number 1. why aren’t they in the big game?
The 2008 url on the USAToday site
still links to the final vote from last year. Maybe it’ll get updated by the end of the day?
I will never be satisfied
Even if we rape OU next year, I will not be satisfied with a win over OU. They screwed us over big time. A win next year doesn’t pay back all the things we have to inure with those OU mo-fos this year. Until we destroy their program or screw them 10 times over, this taste will never wash away.
what if we beat them 77-0 ten years in a row
and the NCAA gave colt and shipley an extra ten years of eligibility?
45-35
Not OU's fault
It wasn’t OU that screwed us. It was the system and the coaches who fell in love with that 60pts/gm offense that need to be blamed. Its the fun thing to do….jump on the “I really hate OU alot more now” bandwagon, but they’re no different than they were the first week of October. You’re extra hatred is wasted and pointsless because at the end of the day, they have a shot at hoisting that crystal ball and we do not. As messed up as it is, we have to move on. We have a game come January….we need to be ready or all of this will mean nothing.
If UT......
If UT had lost to ANY other conference team, this wouldn’t have happened….
Or, if Tech had lost any other game…
But, Tech’s ‘strength’, bolstered the loss. And created the three-way-tie. Rock-paper-scissors. It really was a perfect storm that probably will never happen again in 100 years…..
Perhaps
It will certainly make the best rivalry game all that much more interesting….. :)
And all the more reason for it to NEVER leave Dallas…..!!!
but could it please leave the cotton bowl...and head to dallas' new stadium.
by Mulliganville on Dec 7, 2008 1:14 PM CST up reply actions
Noooooooo!!!!
We can play the championship game there, but there’s too much tradition for the Cotton Bowl!!!
Before this year...
…I would have agreed with you. But the upgrades to the Cotton Bowl really are simply fantastic, and I see absolutely no advantage in New Texas Stadium anymore — and lots of disadvantage. Keep it at the Cotton Bowl.
Doesn't matter who put OU on top
This will the top moment in the history of our rivalry, whether you like it or not. The fact that OU benefited from our misfortune with the help of computers and then came out laughing by the dozen does feel like a screw job to me. Even if we win our bowl game, this will go down in history where OU came out on top over UT and their fans will never make us forget it. They’ll never make us forget that they went to the national championship game and we didn’t. I will tell you that this brick will be throwing us for years and until we match with a bigger screw job, this rivalry will be swaying back in favor for the OU fans
by CaliforniaHorn on Dec 7, 2008 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
My guess is UF coaches will use our blueprint
to beat OU. Percy Harvin will be playing the role of Jordan Shipley. The ou linebackers wont be able to keep up. Ou offense will tire when the meet another team who can score quickly. That no huddle thing hurt them in RRS. Look at the video, all the linemen were sucking wind in the fourth quarter. Florida can score quickly, but they are not in a hurry.
That's a good point...........
I certainly don’t think we can stop UF, not in a normal sense.
OU didn’t get ANY turnovers against UT, but since then this has become a major part of the defense. They bend a lot, but get the occasional turnover which helps the offense. If there’s any factor for OU, I’m hoping that’s it….
Gary pinkel
Oklahoma’s record-breaking offense, which has scored 702 points this season and was called by Missouri coach Gary Pinkel as the best he’s ever seen
VY could have put up 60+ by the third quarter, he wouldn’t have had to throw into the endzone with 4 min to play.
45-35
Not the same opponent
I’d happily have swapped opponents last night.
As well as locations. Playing in 20 degree weather SUCKS. Give me Reliant Stadium and we would have had 70 by halftime.
OU also held Missouri's offense
To their season low.
UT did
I have never argued that UT beat OU, I have never excused that loss, only complimented UT. UT performed, OU didn’t.
All i know is this:
There will be no national champion his year. It is too convoluted…unless of course UT smashes TOSU, then they deserve a share.
Funny thing: FL beat the number 1 team in the country by 11 on a neutral field. So did UT, albeit by 10…I guess October does not matter. Screw history…move the game to November…you know, so the inept voters can recall the outcome.
by Mulliganville on Dec 7, 2008 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
It wasn't just WHEN the game happened
But what has happened since…..
Voters haven’t forgotten OU’s loss, what’ they’ve done is determined that in SPITE of the loss, OU has overcome it….. ONE of those factors would be the game OU had against Tech, not just the score, but the game….
Has OU been lucky?? Absolutely. I think 100 different things had to have happened for it to work out this way. But the entire way, OU had to win, and all they could do was their part.
I don’t blame UT. UT could just as well have been the one going on, had it not been Tech that they lost to.
It wasn;t just WHEN the game happened
But what has happened since…..
Voters haven’t forgotten UT’s loss, what’ they’ve done is determined that in SPITE of the loss, UT has overcome it….. ONE of those factors would be the game UT had against Baylor/Kansas/A&M not just the scores, but the games….
Has UT been lucky?? Absolutely NOT. I think 100 different things had to have happened for it to work out this way. But the entire way, UT had to win, and all they could do was their part.
I don’t blame OU. OU will be the one going on, despite the fact that it was UT that they lost to.
Check and mate.
Texas put the 2nd teamers in during the 4th quarter.
If Texas kept their starters in for the entire game, Missouri would have on scored 7 points. Mack didn’t run the score score up.
Why are we still debating? Its over. OU is going an Texas isnt. Its like demanding a recound of the 2004 election. Like it or not, it is what it is. No one cheated and Texas has no reason to be upset with anyone except the system. I wish that the NCG was between OU and Texas. That would be an epic game with more emotion than anything we have ever seen. But, in this weird system losing early is rewarded despite everything else you do.
What REALLY needs changing is the Big 12 championship game structure. The North is not competetive. It should be the top two teams period.
by imakefights on Dec 7, 2008 1:25 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I agree with you
Its over….but it still is depressing and it makes me feel a little better to show there is a debate, if that makes sense.
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On theory.........
On theory I agree that the championship game should be revamped… The whole concept though, is that since all teams can’t play all teams, the best of each division should be the best teams (which we know is not true). But all teams can’t play each other.
What happened in the SEC THIS year I think is an example of how it’s SUPPOSED to work.
Personally, I’d have no problem either restructuring, and letting the two teams with the best record play, although it would certainly knock 1 team (at least) out of a big bowl, but that’s the way it goes.
I think the best tie breaker (because I think we’d STILL need a tie breaker in such a situation) would be for either the coaches of the teams of coincidence (in-conference schools that the tied schools played) or all of the remaining non-tied schools to vote. It’s OUR conference, so OUR coaches should vote…..
Voting will lead to arguments. Someone is always going to feel screwed when it comes down to opinions over facts. If the top two teams in the big 12 had played for the big 12 title this year, there wouldnt be anything to debate.
And if each big 12 teams played an 11 game season without the preseason scrubs, every team in the big 12 could play each other.
Another alternative is to get rid of some of the weakest links. Teams like Baylor and Iowa State.
We can't get rid of Baylor,
because without Baylor it would be OU & OSU (trailer park), Tech (tumbleweeds), and A&M (no need to go into this) alongside the greatness of UT. I say that no matter what, we need an additional school that is not laughable in the southern division so the whole division does not receive an automatic birth for hick-est division in college football.
Waco is a shithole
I don’t know if you have ever been to Waco, but its one of the most dangerous and crime rodden cities in Texas. Its dangerous. Your stereotypes are laughable at best. You think that UT is morally superior than everybody else in the Big 12 South. You go off the stereotypes way too much. You don’t really know much about your school. The differences between UT and A&M outside of football are very slim. It used to be a “culture clash” but it isn’t anymore.
by PrimeTime2012 on Dec 7, 2008 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
Texas has female cheerleaders!
enough said
Even if......
Even if we go to a playoff (which is the ONLY sensible thing in the world, when will it happen please???), there will still be a team or two ‘on the outside’ that will have arguments that it should have been included in…. There will ALWAYS be arguments, no matter HOW any system is designed….
Watch out for Baylor, they will be 4th or maybe even 3rd next year in the south… Griffin is the next VY, and their offense is only going to get better and better…..
I still think it’s only fair to let the coaches that have actually seen and PLAYED the teams to vote… OUR conference, let them decide…..
Official UT got the shaft thread...
When will this be up. Awww F it, I’m going back to bed for a couple of weeks.
This is absolutely pathetic
we kill the number 1 team 34-14 down the stretch of that game, and we have the ‘best loss’ of any one loss teams and we are going to be in the top 2 of the computers by a good margin, but the voters collude because Tim Tebow is going to be a TE at the next level.
ABSOLUTELY PATHETIC.
Jindal - 2012
Sagarin......
Has UT #3, not in the top 2. But, I haven’t seen any of the others yet…..
You're right
For the BCS rankings… I’m used to reading Sagarin for the SAGARIN rankings. Apologies
I got to hand it to you
For sticking around here, you are getting killed.
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Well
The thing is, I wish UT well. I’d have not said that before this year, but Colt has made me a fan. I’ve watched EVERY game of UT’s this year, and admire them. So, whoever they play come January, they’d better look out. I’m sure UT will take a lot of frustrations out on them.
And, next year ought to be fun.
4 ou offensive linemen gone
We’ll see how good Bradford is next year.
That's if he stays
A possible Heisman and MNC win in his pocket. Would you stick around if you had the chance to make millions and get out of Oklahoma? Hell even if you take away the millions being able to get out of that state would be more than worth it to leave early.
Sooner, don't you have some celebrating to do somewhere?
Go drink some beers with your Sooner pals. Go anywhere but here.
This is how we feel
imaging how fla fans would feel, they beat alabama, but it’s still OU vs. Alabama in the NC game.
Jindal - 2012
I think Houston
Is a couple of players away from really being dangerous…. “Next year” might REALLY BE, next year…..
Be well all
OU-UT mens basketball, January 12
Buuuuut, I’m sure we’ll see each other before then……
ou fans
think they are soooo much better now than they were in October. ou’s offense is great, but their defense and special teams are mediocre at best just like they were when Texas beat them. If Z. Robinson ran all over the sooner defense, I can’t wait to see what Tebow does!
They think they're better now
because Stoops lets the starters play four quarters and run up the score even when the game is in the bag. They have no defense since losing Reynolds and they’re losing key guys on defense every week. Tebow will have a field day and despite me not liking the gators I’m gonna enjoy every single second of the game.
I'm not sure
but im willing to bet money that Barry Switzer will announce that his sooners will play da gators for NC. Him and his cheating grin…lol
about 6:30
When ever the cowboys game is over and after the post game show.
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yes but...
BCS rankings were online last week about 4pm EST
"When you get to the end zone, act like you've been there before."
and I think it was public about 4:15 (est)
remember? stoopsie announced PC for shortly thereafter?
"When you get to the end zone, act like you've been there before."
The show is at 7 on Fox
They will somehow stretch the five announcements into a 30 minute special while ESPN confirms who is playing like they do with all stories they don’t break.
Boomer Sooner!
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Aside from all this hate OU talk
Im watching the Texans game on CBS and ftheir love fest doesnt just stop with the SEC. The guys calling this game are drooling all over Aaron Rodgers and his Packers.
I thought it was just me! (impatient)
"When you get to the end zone, act like you've been there before."
Harris Poll
http://www.harrisinteractive.com/news/bcspoll.asp
Still no new poll as of 3:45. This is strange; the poll is usually out at 3:00.
hmm...
perhaps they are screwing around with the votes so that Florida is assured to make it to the MNC. How mythical it is this year!
"Football's so important in Texas. On the West Coast, it's a social. On the East Coast, it's a culture. Here, it's a religion."
-- Major Applewhite
I think they figured out that everybody knows how to calculate the winner before the official announcement.
So they’re probably keeping the last one offline until the announcement.
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