Crystal Ball - Fiesta Bowl and 2009 Big 12 Race
A solid overview of the stakes in Glendale as well as 2009. Bumped from the FanPosts. --PB--
Today's news that Colt McCoy will in fact stick around for his senior season at the helm of the Texas offense provides the perfect segue to start to discuss 2009 in earnest.
Like last year, the next 30 days or so will provide the dust-jacket introduction to next year's team. What better way to start a title run in 2009 than with the team rallying around itself in face of a BCS hijacking and burying one of next years top 5 teams? Last year, the Horn's turned the adversity of the A&M game into the motfvating force behind Colt's resurgence and Brian Orakpo's dominance over Arizona State. However, this year's Fiesta bowl is a bigger challenge than last year's Holiday bowl because the cause of the adversity is not as tangible, and the opponent is a far better one than last year.
Fiesta Bowl preview - After being demolished by USC at the start of the season and Penn State midway through it, the Buckeyes found their mojo in the last part of the year. By mojo, I mean Pryor, Beanie Wells, and James Laurinaitis. Regardless of what you thought of OSU during their 35-3 shellacking at the hands of USC, the team that the Horns will face on January 5th is vastly superior thanks to the three players above. Had OSU had a healthy Wells and a reliable QB that score would have been much closer. Rest assured, OSU has both issues sorted out in time for the Fiesta Bowl.
OSU's defense will present a challenge to the Horn's in more ways than one. Like any Tressel team, they are good in the trenches and their linebacking play is stellar. Addtionally, they have one of the premier cover corners in football in Jenkins and have given up 13.1 pts on average this season. It is by no stretch of the imagination that OSU has by far the best defense the Horns will have faced all year.
OSU's offense will present unique challenges to the Horn's as well. Our undersized defensive line will have to sustain itself against a massive OSU offensive line. Our still under performing LBs will be challeged by a big, powerful runner in Wells. The Texas secondary will have to contain Robiskie and Hartline who are solid receivers as well as a couple of stout TE's. Each unit will be test by an offensive counterpart, and to top it all off Pryor will complicate matters for each of them.
I'm certain this is a game Texas can win, but it will require the next level of leadership from Colt as well as a complete game plan from the coaching staff. The subplot to this bowl game is obviously 2009. Aside from a W, we want to see signs that next year's key players are begining to turn the corner in Janaury. Last year, Orakpo, Kindle, Houston, and Muckelroy showed us that the much maligned defense was ready to be intimidating once again. This year, I'll be mainly looking for the offensive line, the linebackers, and the secondary to make a statement. Addtionally, Collins & Williams will need to step up big in the passing game, while Whitaker needs to give us a glimpse of the running game.
2009 Big 12 Race - Colt's return in 2009 ensures that this team will have continuity on offense for 4 consecutive seasons. Behind an experienced offensive line and with some additional time to gel with the younger WRs, there is no reason to believe that Colt will not be able to match this year's offensive output.
Still, there are questions. First and foremost, the running game remains a chief concern of mine. Even if Whitaker or McGee turns in a solid performance against OSU, I'm still not going to be completely convinced that Texas has a rusher capable of amassing over 700 yards in a season, let alone 1,000 yards.
Second, the defensive line is a question mark as long as we're not sure if Kindle is leaving or if Jamarkus McFarland in coming. Getting pressure on the QB has to remain a priority for Muschamp, but it will be more difficult if the personnel isn't there. Personally, I think that Kindle has greater upside in the NFL as a DE than as an OLB -- and he'll make more money as a DE as well. This will probably be the biggest argument for him to stay one more year. With Kindle on the edge (where he played most of the year this year anyways), Muschamp would have more ability to mix and match combinations on the inside and possibly slide Lamarr Houston back to the edge -- especially if Mcfarland is in the fold.
The need for a TE is also huge. Irby's injury was gruesome and similar to what Dunta Robinson had with the Texans last year. It took Dunta almost a full year to come back, and I'd be surprised if Irby was at the top of the depth chart next year.
Lastly, this team still needs playmakers. The 2008 Horns overacheived due to the feet and arms of McCoy. While McCoy is a testament to small town Texas grit, the margin for error is razon thin. Personally, my hope is on Whitaker, Collins or M. Williams, and the possibility of a guy like DeSean Hales or DJ Monroe becoming next year's Ramonce Taylor.
Overall there is no doubt the 2009 Horns have the chance to be great. They have an outstanding QB, offensive line, and dependable players at WR, defensive line, and in the secondary. But if you run down our schedule (particularly the soft non-conference) its clear to me that a one loss season next year could leave us on the outside looking in once again.
The Other Big XII South Teams -
Oklahoma - Any Big XII discussion has to start with OU. I'd be shocked if Bradford, McCoy, Gresham, & Granger all stuck around for another season, but I wouldn't be surprised if one or two of them decided to stay. Even if Bradford leaves, OU will not be a cakewalk. OU has redshrted a few QBs including much heralded Landry Jones from New Mexico. By no stretch of the imagination is the OU offense a difficult one for a QB to master, particularly with the strength of their line and their running game. Speaking of the line, Robinson and Loadholt are seniors but like Texas, OU typically reloads at this position. Finally, the running game will be stout with the addtion of Jermie Calhoun to go along with Murray, Brown, and Madu.
The weakest part of the offense could be at WR/TE where Gresham could leave along with Iglesias and Manny Johnson who are both seniors. Once again, OU has recruited WR well (despite having kicked their top WR recruit off the team prior to the season) and obviously Ryan Broyles will figure into their attack prominently next year.
Defensively, OU certain losses are Nic Harris and Lendy Holmes in secondary and obviously the potential is there for McCoy and Granger to make the jump early. OU has recruited very well at DE, LB, and in the secondary, however. The bottom line is that OU will be at worst very good next year regardless of what happens with their top juniors.
Oklahoma State - OSU could be ready to make a Texas Tech-style leap next year. First, the schedule sets up nicely for them, getting both Tech and Texas in Stillwater. Secondly, Gundy's offense is starting to really round into form behind Robinson, Hunter, Bryant, and a fairly young offensive line. The Holiday Bowl matchup for OSU could be a nice spring board for them into next year.
Texas Tech - Check back in mid January. Crabtree should be leaving and will be a top 10 pick. If Leach leaves too, this team could head south fast. Regardless, next year will likely be a rebuilding year for this program, which is part of the reason OSU should return to 3rd place in the south.
A&M - Count me as one of those few who believe that Sherman is taking this program in the right direction. Most people I've talked to familiar with this program expect Sherman to add a Juco recruit or two for next season. Additionally, although Goodson is almost assuredly gone there are several RBs that can replace him. Its sad for me to say, but A&M's stable of RBs without Goodson is better than Texas' was when Jamaal Charles left early. The Aggie defensive line is formidable, but the rest of the team is just young right now. Sherman's worth will be evident if the team makes a decent improvement from year 1 to year 2.
Baylor - Love Griffin, hate everyone else.
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Chris Gamble isn't there anymore
The corner you are thinking about isn’t Chris Gamble, but rather Malcolm Jenkins. Just thought I would let you know.
by PrimeTime2012 on Dec 8, 2008 3:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Completely Agree about the non-con
One loss next year would kill us.. I don’t see any other team besides OU being in top 10. Unless, as you stated OK St. is able to take take the next step.
Damn! I can’t believe I’m already talking about next year.
by Hookem4life84 on Dec 8, 2008 3:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You know I dont think 1 loss would kill us- as long as we hang 60 + points on each and every team that crosses our path. In the end all that matters is " 62-21" and you can jump ship big time..
by MN_longhorny on Dec 8, 2008 3:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You vastly overrate tOSU's OL
They are a random hodgepodge that resembled something just short of cohesion in the last 2 games. It is by far their weakness. Texas should be in the backfield throughout much of the game. The one thing that has bailed out the Buckeyes is Pryor’s mobility and Well’s tackle breaking ability. Pryor isn’t as competent as Boeckman, but he does have the big play capability. Boeckman is a manager, Pryor is a future star. That said, he isn’t there yet. He’s gotten through their game being a manager as well. He is generally an economical 12 for 17 in most games, just managing enough quick passes to keep the opposing defense from stacking the box against the run.
The DL for tOSU has been less than spectacular, but the LBs and secondary has made up for that deficency, and should be the best pass defense you guys have faced this year.
by formerlyanonymous on Dec 8, 2008 4:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Pryor & the o-line
4 weeks of straight practice can do wonders for a guy that was pretty much eased into the starting role mid year. I think Pryor will be ready.
While the o-line may not be great by tOSU’s standards, Texas hasn’t done well against massive o-lines like OU’s and Tech’s because our d-line is fairly undersized. Many of the the Ohio State linemen are quite a bit over 300 lbs, and will present a challege.
by BMG on Dec 8, 2008 4:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess here is what I don't quite understand
earlier on (probably before the start of this season) Mack said that this team would be a championship team in ‘09 (or something to that effect). Obviously, when he made that statement, he must have been mindful of all the attrition and a relative uncertainty (which is always there I suppose) of the new recruiting batch/class along with the possible statuses of other Big 12 South teams that you analyzed in your article (very nice write up btw). I wonder how, he thought, we’d be able to accomplish such a huge feat.
by hookmhorns on Dec 8, 2008 6:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The DL dominates weaker offensive lines. The back seven is the real strength, however.
I expect a good Texas O-line to provide nice protection for McCoy. The question I have is whether the Texas or Penn State O-lines are stronger. OSU manhandled Penn State’s line, but if Texas’ is superior then that shouldn’t be a problem.
He is correct about the “randon hodgepodge” on Ohio State’s offensive line. They never had the projected five healthy at the same time. Halfway through the year a freshman center was made the starter. Our LT has been solid ever since he’s been here, and the young center is talented but, well, young. The RT spot could either be a “sixth man” type who has struggled in the past or a previously injured returnee. The guards should be solid.
It will be interesting to see who they trot out on the offensive line. The bowl game is the first time they will all be healthy since the first game of the year.
by gahnki on Dec 8, 2008 6:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Margin for error in 09 is ridiculously small
The non-con games are absolute steaming piles of garbage…
UTEP…horrible
Wyoming…one of the worst teams in the FBS
Louisiana Monroe…terrible
Central Florida…We should never schedule these guys ever
Then we get some teams in the big 12 that are on the way down:
Colorado…has shown little improvement
Missouri…Daniel, Maclin, Coffman are gone, alone with the defense(is that a bad thing)
Tech…Harrell, Crabtree, several defenders gone
Baylor…Griffins great, but come on its still BAYLOR
Kansas…not good not that bad
A&M…they may improve but are still have a LONG way to go
So basically talking computers, we have to beat OU. Them and Oke St. Other than that we’ll have nothing for the computers. They already hate us.
Add to that we have some tricky road games (@Mizzou, @A&M, @Ok St, @ Baylor)
and things could get problematic.
BUT the future is still bright
by owenh on Dec 8, 2008 4:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
re: sked
I can’t remember for sure, but wasn’t Wyoming a late addition, taking the place of Arkansas who backed out before this season? Or was it UL-M? In any case…thanks a lot, Coach Petrino. A road game in the SEC looks good for non-con, even if it is a middle of the road team.
by BigTexBD on Dec 8, 2008 7:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Great write-up
Hitting some bullets about ’09:
- If I had to put odds, I’d put Kindle at 75% leaving. He’s got the pass-rushing ability that scouts drool over, and it’s almost all potential right now, as our defensive schemes didn’t allow him to showcase it until his junior year. I think if he hears 3rd round or above, he’s gone. However, I know nothing of his family background.
- I saw nothing on a healthy Whittaker or McGee to think that they couldn’t amass 1,000 yard rushing. They’re both good runners (again, when healthy) and have the ability to make at least one guy miss (Fozzy with his speed and lateral quickness; McGee with his bulldozing, heads down style). The problem, as many have espoused, is scheme and run-blocking technique. Unless we go back to the power-rushing of years past, I have no idea how GD is correcting this problem.
- Don’t we have two more TE’s coming in next year’s class? That’s a lot of quantity without any production to show for it. Harris and Howard must really be showing nothing if they can’t pass the likes of no-block, no catch Greg Smith.
- Sam Bradford is a VERY interesting case. On the one hand, he’d benefit greatly from more college playing time. There was a statistical analysis done somewhere (Football Outsiders, perhaps?) that showed the biggest predictor of NFL QB success was number of starts in college. Yeah, he loses a stout offensive line and some receiving weapons, but there’s still a lot of talent there. Plenty of reasons to stay. On the other hand, he’d almost assuredly be the first quarterback taken, and again, almost assuredly in the top 5. Can’t get much higher than that. Plus, there’s the whole salary cap issue and the lack of a dominant senior QB class—more reasons to jump. I say he goes.
- What are the odds that our game in Stillwater is at night? On national television? And (if they can get by Georgia) with the Cowboys undefeated? Scary thought.
- I’m calling it now…if we lose one game next year, we are not playing the MNC. Not with that disgusting looking non-con.
by jc25 on Dec 8, 2008 4:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Even if we go undefeated
We might not be well prepared. Play a bunch of losers and you don’t know what to do when you have to go toe-toe with the best.
by owenh on Dec 8, 2008 4:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Couple of extra points..
- Gresham will almost definitely be leaving.
- I don’t think McCoy or Granger (he’s had such little playing time this year) leave.
- I would put the chances of Bradford leaving below 50 % but I think that goes up if he wins both the MNC and the Heisman.
- I think the Sooners are going to get McFarland
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by Jon Woods on Dec 8, 2008 4:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
McFarland gets a lot of pub but really doesnt impress me
I mean he’s huge, he stops the run. But his highlight videos are kinda eh. Im no football expert but the guy doesn’t seem like hes “OMG BEST DLineman EVER”!
Besides when has a true freshman interior defensive lineman ever made a gigantic impact? Their bodies typically arent condioned/built up enough coming out of HS.
Please prove me wrong. What’s so good about him. No sarcasm here, I really want to know.
by owenh on Dec 8, 2008 4:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can't answer your question
But there must be something because every school has offered, including USC. We have 2 other DT’s already committed and we still sent half the coaching staff to Lufkin last week.
by Horncasting on Dec 8, 2008 5:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
McFarland
Huge. Check
Stops the run. Check
Disrupts the back field. Check
What more do you want a DT to be and do? Pass coverage? Fix you a turkey sub?
by BMG on Dec 8, 2008 5:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
drop him into coverage
I’d like to see Mcfarland cover some WR’s every once in a while. He might get burned a couple times because he doesn’t have elite speed.
by owenh on Dec 8, 2008 6:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
- Agree on Gresham…he should be the first TE taken.
- Haven’t heard much on McCoy or Granger, but wouldn’t be too sad if either left.
- Adrian Peterson never won the MNC or the Heisman, and he still left early. Hey-o!
- That’s a real possibility, albeit the hurt would be lessened if we were able to snare Kennard. Lose both, though…ugh. The added bonus is he’s such a bright kid, and would be a real plus to any football program even if he were to never become the star everyone projects him to be.
by jc25 on Dec 8, 2008 4:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Very true
and Peterson didnt even go first. (dumb, dumb, dumb).
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by Jon Woods on Dec 8, 2008 4:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hrm
Current and future NFL star, so not sure how dumb it was. Combine that with the fact that RBs have a very limited shelf life, it was definitely in his best interest to leave early.
But we do love rubbing it in that he said he went to OU to win national championships, and came away empty handed.
by jc25 on Dec 8, 2008 5:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, I mean dumb that he wasnt selected first.
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by Jon Woods on Dec 8, 2008 5:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah but why would you
when you have FUTURE SUPERSTAR AND SURE-FIRE HALL OF FAMER ZOMG JaMarcus Russell to take?
by jc25 on Dec 8, 2008 9:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kennard is the guy from Arizona right?
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by Jon Woods on Dec 8, 2008 4:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
McFarland
The main reason I think he picks UT over OU is there will be a spot for him to start once he steps foot on campus with Roy Miller leaving. Not sure where I read this but he wants to play, if he goes to OU I think he will have to sit for a year
by Longhorn in MO on Dec 8, 2008 7:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There was a statistical analysis done somewhere (Football Outsiders, perhaps?) that showed the biggest predictor of NFL QB success was number of starts in college.
Number of starts (experience) and completion percentage (accuracy.) It was a very limited study, though. Restricted to the first two rounds, and did not make adjustments based on other variables.
Still fairly enlightening and interesting.
by gahnki on Dec 8, 2008 6:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I see no way Kindle is less than a ...
…very high second round pick (barring some unexpected prejudicial development) and might go higher based on combine perfomrance and individual workout.
Still, there is a lot of upside and he could, I think, easily move into the top 10 with another good year. Thus he has to balance the risk of injury with a much larger first contract. Like you, I don’t know his specific situation but would think (hope?) the chances of him going would have to be lower than 75.
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by duras on Dec 8, 2008 9:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You want to see the reasons that Bradford leaves for the NFL?
LT Phil Loadholt Jr Sr.
LG George Robinson Sr.
C Jon Cooper Sr.
RG Brandon Walker Sr.
RT Trent Williams Jr.
4 of ou’s starting o-line are gone. The brick wall that he has gotten used to over the last two years is going to be more of a sieve.
by Brandon 97 on Dec 9, 2008 9:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am worried sick about Greg Davis.
If anyone read BarkingCarnival’s write-up on the state of affairs after the close of the regular season, he hits the nail on the head about the liability that Greg Davis is to our chances of success.
We’ve got a head coach who recognizes the contributions that a young staff can bring to his team (Muschamp and Applewhite), and those two areas are building up nicely – but at some point we’re going to run up against a defense that has Davis’s plan figured out, and it will not be pretty. I am hoping that is not OSU.
by TXinDC on Dec 8, 2008 4:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Major
I have a feeling we will hear a lot of offseason reports about Major taking on more responsibility of the entire offense.
by Hookem4life84 on Dec 8, 2008 5:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Its undefeated or bust for you guys
You guys will have the schedule and talent to run the table. It will basically be a two game season for Texas and thats versus the state of Oklahoma. I think OSU will be a tougher test than OU in ‘09. OSU will be much better in ’09 than ’08 while OU can only go down next year. Defensively they should be better but offensively they won’t be anywhere near as good as they were this year. In regards to OSU I don’t think they are mentally tough enough to beat OU and OSU. Gundy is the Gary Pinkle of the Big 12 South. He has yet to beat OU and Texas and I don’t see it happening in ‘09. They won’t win in Norman and UT has a mental edge over OSU.
Still I think you guys will have a great shot at going to Pasadena with an unblemished record versus Florida or USC. If Texas plays with a chip on their shoulder and Mack Brown keeps telling his guys about how that the national championship was stolen from them then you really should have no problem running the table.
I see three teams from the BCS potentially going undefeated in two bowl season. USC is a lock to go and so is Florida with Tebow coming back and I think you guys will go undefeated as well. Anybody knows who Cincy plays next year. If they don’t have a major non-con opponent it looks like they can run the table as well. Potentially four unbeaten teams next year.
My doomsday BCS scenario is to have 7 teams from the BCS go undefeated: Pac 10, Big 12, SEC, ACC, Big East, and two teams from the Big 11 (since not everybody plays each other).
by PrimeTime2012 on Dec 8, 2008 4:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
USC
Everyone always says USC will be a lock, but they always stumble. Plus, they play at Ohio St, at Cal, at, AZ ST, and at Notre Dame, I could easily see atleast 1 loss for them.
by Hookem4life84 on Dec 8, 2008 5:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they learned their lesson this year
The last two years they had two losses to end their national championship hopes. Their mind frame this year was that they could afford to lose one and still play for the title. Now they realized that it will take an undefeated season to pull it off.
by PrimeTime2012 on Dec 8, 2008 5:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The last three years they have had ridiculous losses to end their hopes. There is a point where that becomes a trend and not random.
by gahnki on Dec 8, 2008 6:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is Tebow not going to NFL this year?
by hookmhorns on Dec 8, 2008 6:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
nevermind
just saw this article:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3753307&campaign=rss&source=NCFHeadlines
by hookmhorns on Dec 8, 2008 6:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldnt suprise me if baylor upset a top 25 team next year (Almost had Texas Tech and Missouri this yr)
by MJY6087 on Dec 8, 2008 5:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Our Noncon is pathetic
Thanks Piggies.
by HornigStrega on Dec 8, 2008 5:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
yup
and with that RB and improved QB play (Ryan Mallet or Nathan Dick) Arkansas could actually be decent next year. Losing them kills our SOS.
by BMG on Dec 8, 2008 5:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure if "losing" them is the right term
Didn’t we agree to let them out of their contract, then decline to schedule any semblance of a good school, instead choosing Wyoming? Bravo.
by jc25 on Dec 8, 2008 7:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes and No
We agreed to let them out, after what seemed like a few weeks of discussion about it.
And yes, we then went on to schedule Wyoming to fill the spot. But with only 1 year’s notice, it’s pretty difficult to get a decent program on the non-con schedule. There were a few available (cue HC), but we’ll never know how many were asked and said no to adding a strong Texas team to their schedule.
If you want to blame anyone, blame Satan Jerry Jones.
by Shake on Dec 8, 2008 9:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to Laramie, WY for that weekend
Spent 5.5 years in Cheyenne before coming out to California. I’ll be heading up a tailgate for any and all Texas visitors. And yes, elevation can be a factor and it may even snow. Just a warning.
by HornsFaninCalifornia on Dec 8, 2008 9:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Woodrow-
How is next year shaping up for your team? Who do you think will end up with the starting QB position next year?
by Hookem4life84 on Dec 8, 2008 5:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
They have got to stay healthy
If they do I think they will be much improved. The running game should be stout if the o line is healthy. Our defense was actually one of the best in the Big 12 this year. The secondary and linebackers will be very good next year but the whole defensive line has to be replaced.
Starting QB? You’ve got me. I’d have to say it’s going to be Hawkins again unless Hansen can improve his passing by leaps and bounds.
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by Jon Woods on Dec 8, 2008 5:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Theme for next year
I think the team next year should use Braveheart as motivation. I am thinking about the scenes where William Wallace is taking his revenge on all the lords. Briles, Mangino, Leach, Stoops, Hawkins, and Sherman all need to be held accountable.
by JohnsonUT on Dec 8, 2008 5:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
And Will Muschamp will burst through their bedroom walls on horseback to slay them.
by burntorangehorn on Dec 9, 2008 9:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dont forget the BCS.....
Stoops has lowered the bar in the BCS ranking system…..run up the scores, humiliate the team you have beaten by halftime, leave your starters in the whole game…..pile on the points in the most classless way you can works !
And then have the media frenzy about “Style Points” with lisping Lou so excited he’s spitting and rambling about it….I wouldn’t be surprised if ou tries to score a 100 against somebody next year as “Style Win”…..it may move them up 2 or 3 spots because of the media hype and gushing.
Going undefeated may not be enough next year……I dont remember who wrote last week that Stoops was destroying college football by legitimizing running up scores……..but it is a fact !
I'd rather you just say thank you and went on your way.
by MeatchickenHorn on Dec 8, 2008 6:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I was looking at who was staying and leaving
for the Big 12 schools and I would without a doubt say texas has a leg up on everyone. Their biggest opponent will be OSU. Yes OSU! hope they learn how to play defense. OU loses 5 out of their 2 deap on the oline. The guys that are moving up are freshman and sophmores and juniors with little playing time. The now OU has the athletes but do they have the experience. NO! Tech go back to 4th place if that. Expect a big turn around from A&M. I say 7 wins. Baylor Good Luck! The north will be won by Nebraska but that wont say much. The QB’s up north are average at best. May have skill again though NO EXPERIENCE! The Big 12 will be down next year. Lets hope we dont get screwed again.
by LEMILES on Dec 8, 2008 6:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I’d say Josh Freeman might be a little better than just average next season. The guy’s going to put that big arm to use with Bill Snyder running the show.
by burntorangehorn on Dec 9, 2008 9:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Texas will be out to obliterate everybody next year...
and you guys are right……..they’ll have to with that schedule. But this team will get a ton of love from the voters next year to make amends for this year. As long as they stay healthy, there is no reason this team won’t go undefeated, and put up ridiculous pts every week. I expect them to be pre-season #1 and as long as they keep blowing out everybody and take care of OU and Okla St., the voters will make sure to take care of this team.
by silky51 on Dec 8, 2008 6:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Voters?
The voters proved they’re biased against UT beyond a shadow of a doubt this season – about as much in the tank for the Sooners as the mainstream media is in the tank for Obama. Don’t hold your breath.
I, for one, think every single player and assistant coach should look directly into the camera lens during the Fiesta Bowl postgame Q&A after we destroy tOSU and declare UT the rightful National Champion regardless of the outcome in Miami. Then they should tell the pollsters who voted against them “and all of you who voted UT below #1 or #2 in the last two BCS polls of the regular season can kiss our asses”.
It won’t endear them to anyone, but I’d rather be hated and respected for standing up for ourselves than be content to be pat on the head and pitied as hapless unfortunates by the same voters who screwed UT up the butt without so much as lube or a reach around.
Oh, and speaking of voters, now that the final Heisman pre-poll has been released showing McCoy ahead how many of you think these same anti-UT voters will let that stand, and how many are like me who think the voters will adjust their ballots for the Heisman poll that counts to continue the ass-raping of McCoy and UT?
Mack can continue to play the nice guy, since his personal constitution is incapable of expressing outrage. But that doesn’t mean the players and assistants have to play nice. They should look directly at the camera and call these OU cheerleader skirt-wearing voters out in the most shocking headline grabbing way possible.
by RMHorn on Dec 8, 2008 8:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The voters are not biased against Texas.
In the BCS rankings that decided the tiebreaker, you know who was ahead in the human polls? Texas. The computers put OU over the top.
Additionally, no politics unless it relates DIRECTLY to college sports. A simile to Obama is not sports related. Please don’t do it.
by billyzane on Dec 9, 2008 8:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously. I’m apparently quite split with lots of my fellow ’Horns fans on politics, and it just drives me insane to not light into it when people make these political jibes.
BZ, OU was ahead of UT in the coaches’ poll, no?
by burntorangehorn on Dec 9, 2008 9:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
By 1 point. For all intents and purposes, it was a tie.
And Texas was up in the Harris Poll by a little bit, meaning that if the computers had been equal, Texas would have been ranked ahead of OU in the BCS.
by billyzane on Dec 9, 2008 9:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Next Year's Defense
This year, Will depended on the front four to get pressure on the quarterback in an attempt to protect the back 4. I think he will flip the script next year. With the back 7 being the strength next year, I think we’ll see a lot more blitzing and mixing up of fronts.
One thought. Would it be possible for us to run a 3-4 defense at times next year? Kindle and Robinson seem like prototypical 3-4 outside linebackers, and having 2 inside backers may help Norton be more effective. The only problem with this would be finding someone big enough to play the DT position in the middle.
by Horn37 on Dec 8, 2008 10:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I’ve thought about this. Houston and Jones have the right size to play the ends in a 34, and I think one of the young guys (Randall, Humphrey, Wilcoxon, or Alexander) could do at least a serviceable job at nose tackle. The problem is that I don’t think Muschamp has ever really worked with a 34.
Also, if Kindle’s back, that’d make Kindle, Muck, Robinson, and Norton as the talent at LB. I think that’s as good a group as any, and the real question would be whether Muck or Robinson would move to LILB. I think Norton would be RILB.
by burntorangehorn on Dec 9, 2008 9:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Defense
The NFL’s 3-4 defense isn’t the answer to the spread, but a modified version might be. Using the NFL’s 3-4 would create too many mismatches and I’m not sure what exactly it would solve. I think Muschamp is going to go for more of a base nickle defense, with his 5th defensive back playing more of a hard-hitting rover role capable of blitzing or run support. I see this being more like Aaron Williams, Christian Scott. This provides maximum versatilty to match an offense like OU. You can blitz, shift one of your LBs into an edge rush, or rush 3 and drop back for max coverage. It could even line up as a 3-4 at times, or a 4-3 by one substitution.
Getting to the QB is still priority one, but expect Muschamp to start to use a greater variety of players to do that next year once he’s got his “guys” where he wants them.
by BMG on Dec 9, 2008 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
3-3-5, 30 base, and 33 stack have all gained popularity against the spread in college football. Especially against teams that love to pass out of the spread.
by gahnki on Dec 9, 2008 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Aaron Williams
May very well be the starter at CB next year.
by Horncasting on Dec 9, 2008 5:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Baylor deserves better than the write up it got.
Is Finley coming back? That team has talent all over the skill positions. They could honestly win the North next year.
by the1austin on Dec 9, 2008 11:34 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
My appologies to Baylor
Briles is a good coach and he’s got a great QB. They could definitely play spoiler to a few teams next year. Finley has had himself a pretty good year (800+ yards) and he’s going to be a decent back in the zone read scheme that they should use with Griffin. He’ll be a junior next year.
Defensively, Pawelek is as good a MLB as there is in the Big 12. I was impressed with their defense in the first half against Texas, and for 3 quarters against Tech. I got the impression that they get worn down against good offenses because the depth just isn’t there. Briles will do a decent job, particularly on offense, but I can’t imagine he’s going to be sticking around long enough to move Baylor out of the Big XII south cellar.
by BMG on Dec 9, 2008 12:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
was taking about Finley
Griffin – sophomore to be
Finley – junior to be
by BMG on Dec 9, 2008 2:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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