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Texas Downs Villanova 67-58 at MSG

I'm exhausted, so the full game wrap will post tomorrow morning. This is your post-game celebration thread as #6 Texas moves to 7-1 with their most impressive victory of the season, a 9-point neutral court win over a very solid Villanova squad. Had the Longhorns not been a disaster at the charity stripe, they'd have won by at least 15.

Three thoughts on my way to bed:

  1. This is the best team defense I've ever seen a Rick Barnes squad play. The help is absolutely impeccable.
  2. The team offense is much further along than I anticipated we could be at this point in the year -- especially after what we saw in some of the early games.
  3. Philadelphia sports fans are the scum of the Earth. Living amongst the trash for three years in Washington D.C., I can attest that they are the most disgusting, obnoxious, and classless group of hooligans "fans" in the country. Reports from MSG indicate that a half dozen fights broke out, all at the instigation of the bottom-sucking east coast scum from Philadelphia. The victory is especially sweet in that regard. 

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Villanova Post-Game Thoughts

Dec 2008 by PB @ BON - 13 comments

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Remember the Eagles - Cowboys game?

When Michael Irvin got absolutely blitzed and was motionless on the field? One thing I will remember forever as the true definition of classless was when the Eagles fans were laughing and cheering about it, while it was still in doubt whether or not his injury was one of a paralytic nature.

And, in another note re: tonight’s game, Villanova Cheerleaders are to Texas Cheerleaders what spam is to foie gras. Come on.

"Stats are for losers, I like winning games."

by bendj on Dec 10, 2008 12:10 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yea...

they were pretty bad looking…

by clra2 on Dec 10, 2008 12:15 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've read a few Philly blogs

actually saying that Philly fans cheering Irvin’s injury was made up by the media. They also said that Eagles fans booing Santa Claus was made up to give them a bad name even though there’s video proof of both events. I know that not all Philly fans are scum of the earth but every single Philly fan I’ve ever known personally is a complete piece of crap.

by seth78 on Dec 10, 2008 3:10 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why don't we get...

… that level of hate-speak from you about OU? I mean, not even really close.

Anyway, great freakin’ game. Need to hit the free throws, though. Mason looked good again at the point, and James had some success early on with the entry lob to Dexter, who also looked like a monster for a few.

Bad things: Atchley. Just absolutely no fire, no intensity. Getting owned by guys half his size. So far Chappy looks like a meaner version of Atch minus the “I must be wide-open” trey capability. Bad Connor has installed himself again. I just hope that Barnes can find a way to scare him off this time.

Also bad: Sloppy ball handling, refusal to give the ball to Pittman even when he’s being guarded by a 5’10" wheat sprout.

Good things: OMG WE ARE AWESOME!

I can’t do good stuff, I just know it was good. I’ll let the basketball guys elaborate on that. Oh, except for Dexter’s first five minutes or so – those were good.

by Horn Brain on Dec 10, 2008 12:12 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Atchley seems to rotate around his self-confidence.

When he has it, he’s great. When he doesn’t, he disappears.

Same seems to be true of our free throw shooting; the Horns have become incredibly self-conscious, even AJ. It will interesting to see how Rick deals with this. I know this team will never average over 70, might be lucky to hit 65, but with the strength inside, that would be a great asset.

Really, I don’t think you’re girlfriend is doing voodoo on them. But ’cha never know.

by whills on Dec 10, 2008 1:13 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A good friend of mine...

…was at the game and said the Philly fans were absolutely hammered and trying to start stuff. I really, really, really, really hate that stuff. After what I suffered at Columbus for the Ohio State game, I’ve developed a lifelong grudge against their entire University. And, from what I’m hearing about tonight, that may now also extend to Villanova.

Anyways, I thought AJ was wonderful tonight. Picked his spots, stayed within his game, and nailed some crucial jumpers within the context of the offense.

It’s officially time to wonder what we’re going to do with the big men We’re rolling with Dex getting winded after 3-5 minutes, Connor regressing from last season, Chapman’s Jekyll/Hyde routine, Hill a complete non-factor, and Wangmene physically and mentally wounded.

I’m still wondering what J’Covan adds to this equation (the team, not the frontcourt), assuming he gets to play in the Spring…my goodness, it would be nice to add a dependable shooter/slasher who thrives in transition.

by txtwstr7 on Dec 10, 2008 12:29 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was at the game ...

I saw a number of fights break out. Couldn’t tell who was involved. They were not in the Villanova student section though. It was really weird though because MSG is usually really tame during college basketball games. NYC is not much of a college sports town so it was kind of cool that there was such a charged up atmosphere. The crowd was pretty big and loud for most of the game though it did thin out at the end. All-in-all it was as good a college sports scene as you are going to get in this city.

by Loisaida Horn on Dec 10, 2008 10:41 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was there too.

I got some heckles, but nothing too bad. Saw a lot of fights break out too, but none close enough to me to see what started it. My section was pretty tame, though of course there were dbags everywhere.

I have some great friends who are from Philly and huge Philly sports fans, and they’re great people and great fans. But even they acknowledge that a huge swath of the Philly fanbase lands somewhere in between unhinged and deranged.

by billyzane on Dec 10, 2008 10:57 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Another thing...

…I think tonight showed why the tough early-season scheduling paid off.

Villanova was clearly uncomfortable with our speed and quickness to the ball. With their creampuff schedule, I dont think they were ready to amp it up to another level. It just threw them for a loop, which probably wouldnt have happened had they been playing better competition.

The UCLA game involved some incredible athletes for both sides, the Notre Dame game put us up against an experienced and balanced team, both of which prepped us for tonight…furthermore, this non-conference schedule will have us completely ready to roll into the Conference season.

And if we can win the showdown in Houston against MSU, we’ll have three Top-20 non-conference victories on our resume…that will look very nice to the Selection Committee.

by txtwstr7 on Dec 10, 2008 12:35 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Being a lifelong Philadelphia sports fan

I’m not sure your characterization is completely fair but instead is a blanket generalization. I will leave it at that as I don’t want to delve into it too deeply and get into an argument with my fellow Longhorns.

by froggiebaby on Dec 10, 2008 1:05 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're right about generalization...

It’s like any other kind of prejudice. We have our personal acquaintances, whom we respect because we know them as human beings, and we have the group that we disdain, as they are de-humanized as scum sports fans, instead of scum sports fans who go home and feed their kids and have all the same problems as you and I. But seriously, Villanova fans are scum.

by Horn Brain on Dec 10, 2008 1:23 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I lived in Philly for awhile...

and can honsestly say that they do a lot of this crap. i dont think this stretches the truth very far.

by Paramount on Dec 10, 2008 4:35 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Certainly

I’m generalizing. But I used to watch NFL football at Rhino’s — an Eagles home bar on M Street in Washington DC. And I learned very quickly how awful the average Eagles fan is.

--PB--

by PB @ BON on Dec 10, 2008 11:10 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Recession Proof Longhorns

Nice article on the amazing job Barnes has been doing with recruiting since TJ.

Kansas State is lost without Michael Beasley. USC is struggling to find its way now that O.J. Mayo is gone. It’s taken Ohio State two years to regain its footing after losing Greg Oden. Even Memphis is searching for an identity without Derrick Rose.

No, not even college basketball is immune to recession.

Except in the state of Texas, where the Longhorns are the John Gotti Teflon kings of recession.

Kevin Durant comes, Kevin Durant goes; D.J. Augustin is here, D.J. Augustin is gone.

Texas lost the No. 1 pick in Durant and a year later went to the Elite Eight.

And this year, without a true point guard now that Augustin is trying to breathe life into the Charlotte Bobcats, Texas is 7-1. The Longhorns have played three top 25 teams and are one point away from perfection.

ESPN article

Still a Blaine Irby fan

by patienthornsfan on Dec 10, 2008 6:33 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't hate Philly

I am a native Texan, but live in Philly. I truly bleed burnt orange, but I am very offended by your comments about Philly. I would be proved to host you here in Philly, and I guarantee you will not write those ignorant words about Philly again! HOOK ’EM HORNS!

by phillylonghorn on Dec 10, 2008 6:58 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No need...

to lump all philly fans into that category. I am native Texan, a longhorn fan, and a philly fan. I don’t believe I am as obnoxious as you describe the philly fans. Granted philly fans are very passionate and anybody can act unruly when alcohol is involved, which was being served at MSG. There is a higher standard at Texas though I’ll give you that.

ATX

by Atownatx on Dec 10, 2008 9:11 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't sweat it

My comments are generalizing and over the top. But no need to defend the huge chunk of Philly fans who give them the whole group a bad name. They’re awful.

--PB--

by PB @ BON on Dec 10, 2008 11:11 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Free Throws!

Is anybody on here going to mention are abysmal free throw shooting?!?! If the team doesn’t learn how to shoot free throw, we’re in for a quick exit in March.

by bobekteam on Dec 10, 2008 8:26 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Had the Longhorns not been a disaster at the charity stripe, they’d have won by at least 15.

- Peter Bean Esquire

Perhaps the most recognizable mascot in sports, and certainly the toughest looking, Bevo is a fixture

by run Bevo run on Dec 10, 2008 10:08 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My thoughts without reading the live thread

The good:

- First of all, Dante Cunningham…wow. Is this the same Dante Cunningham we saw running around like a chicken with its head cut off during the Lowry-Ray-Foye superteam? How is he not ranked higher than Atchley on the senior big board? He’s got the post moves and a solid, if not spectacular, defensive presence. And late in the second half, when he took James off the dribble to get the And 1, and Damion stood there in disbelief…that was sweet.
- AJ Abrams as a (in best Dickie V voice) a PTPer. We saw Stephen Curry almost shoot his team out of the game in the first half, then come roaring back at the end of the game to clinch it for Davidson. Well Abrams looked a bit ugly and out of sync in the first half, but he took over in the second, even showing a couple formative point guard skills. And oh yeah, Curry had 27 on 27 shots with a 10:8 A:TO ratio, Abrams went 26 on 18 with a 4:0. Nice.
- Damion James is an absolute man. But we knew that already.
- I was wrong…Mason is absolutely the point guard we need. Particularly in a game like this, when he knew his primary assignment was to bug the hell out of Scottie Reynolds. He knew he wasn’t a big part of the offensive gameplan, and saved his efforts on the defensive end. On offense, he looked to distribute, and made some DJ-esque passes.
- Gary Johnson off the bench. He plays like a wild beast at times, but he’s a great 6th man for this team. Imagine if we had that all last year.
- Perimeter D. Absolutely fantastic.
- Coaching, as always. Barnes went to his depth in the first half, and it really showed in the second. We had fresher legs and quicker hands. Man, I love Rick Barnes. Suck it, Simmons.
- Hustle points from Clint and Varez Ward.

The bad:

- Continued inability to get the ball in the post. We saw two quick Dexter Pittman dunks, and we should’ve been going there all night. Instead of Atchley shooting perimeter 3’s, he should’ve been down in the post with his sweet hook. Even getting Chapman a couple touches would’ve been nice. I saw this ALL GAME with Kentucky against Miami. The best player on the floor was by far Patrick Patterson, and he touched the ball in the post once about every 10 possessions. Unacceptable. Dickie V was saying that boxing out was a lost art in CBB; I prefer to go with the post entry pass.
- While we’re on that note, uhh, blocking out for defensive rebounds anyone? Rebounding totals for our big men: Gary 7 in 26 and Clint had 6 in 16 (well done), but our starters Dex had 1 rebound in 15 min and Atchley had NONE in 15. Ugh.
- Backup point guard handles. Balbay looks absolutely lost on offense. He and Ward combined for a 2:6 A:TO ratio. On the plus side, Balbay still looks great on D, and Ward hustled for some loose balls, especially that nice offensive board put-back, which was eerily reminiscent of a young Justin Mason.
- Pittman’s conditioning. This is year 3, man. If you want to play in the Association, you need to be on the floor for more than 5 minutes at a time.
- Atchley. Pretty much all year. Downright stupefying.

Overall, great game and solid win in what was practically a road game. In a big game environment over a solid top-25 team, we looked in control most of the game. Can’t ask for much more than that. Go Horns!

by jc25 on Dec 10, 2008 8:36 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

was going to list out my observations

but you touched on a few, so instead i’ll just tag on to what you’ve got:

The Good:

- i agree that AJ had a great game. in the first half, he didn’t seem to force too much and mostly took his shots in the flow of the offense, or when plays were designed for him to get a shot. in the second half, he asserted himself a bit more, but with good results. it seems like he never used to hit anything unless he was coming off a screen or was wide open. he’s hitting long two’s off the ball fake and those running floaters a lot better it seems, which will be key to him remaining effective.
- Clint was VERY impressive rotating on defense. it seemed any time a perimeter player beat his man to the lane, Clint was there to cut him off. not too much from him offensively, but if he can earn his living playing solid interior defense, rebounding, and getting opportunistic points off the offensive glass, he’s going to be a very valuable piece of the puzzle.
- Gary Johson was huge and we needed his mid-range jumper to fend off the second half surge in this one.
- Mason and Balbay are excellent perimeter defenders.

The Bad:

- does anybody else think that Ward is a bit trigger happy? maybe it was just when he first came in, but it seemed he only looked to create a shot for himself, and every time he touched it, it was going up.
- Balbay’s got the handle and the defense, but it’s going to take time until he’s worth a damn on the offensive end. i think in time, he can get to the point where he’s creating easy looks for a lot of teammates (much like we saw with Curry in the first game), but right now, he doesn’t seem to be on the same page with everybody else.
- second on the offensive defensive rebounding. if we cut their second chances in half, this game is a blowout. it’s so frustrating when they work so hard to force a contested shot, then just give it all up with an offensive rebound. the bigs still need a lot of work. i’m hopeful this will be a team strength towards the end of the season, though.
- when Abrams wasn’t on the floor, we really struggled from the outside. when Nova switched to zone with Abrams on the bench, it just seemed like we fell completely out of sync. two things will rectify this problem, getting Ward, Mason, and James to scare teams with their perimeter jumpers and doing a better job of playing inside out and moving the ball to disrupt the zone. hopefully both of these things will happen as the season progresses.

Great defensive effort and huge win, though. I’m confident Barnes will mold this into quite a formidable unit by the tournament time.

Hook ’em

by littlevisigoth on Dec 10, 2008 9:31 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bad Conner is back

after a year of great improvement hes back. Not just back, because before he went back and forth between good and bad, this year it’s all bad. It’s very sad to see.

302 in the nation of 330 in free throws, if you throw out Abrams in the who is in the 80’s the rest have to be near the bottom of all teams. Villanova would have won if they had started fouling anyone but Abrams in the last 4:00 on every Horns possession. Some coach is going to figure this out and make the whole team look like clowns.

Clint Chapman is 1 for 12 for godsakes. if you fouled Chapman every time he had the ball and he shot 2 shots, in 10 possessions he would score 1.66 points out of 20 possible points. If those shots were 1 and 1 he would score 0.

by Xerxes on Dec 10, 2008 9:22 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, it's bad

But it is what it is. These guys aren’t going to suddenly get better at free throws as the year goes on. A la Memphis, the best Texas can do is limit the effect it has on the game. With our bigs and the utter lack of over the back calls, make sure to work the offensive glass on our FTA’s. Keep the ball in Abrams’ hands during the final minutes of a close game. Take advantage of And 1 situations. And the like.

Not sure what else you want to do to fix this.

by jc25 on Dec 10, 2008 9:26 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

When I played ball

Coach gave us a ball and said we had to make 10 in a row before we left. If we left before we did, we weren’t allowed back in the gym. He would also make us run around the gym with one guy shooting free throws. Someone had to make 5 in a row before we could stop. They miss, they join the cavalcade. We also had a 10,000 free throw club. We had the season to make 10,000 free throws in practice, games, or fooling around in the gym. Whoever did it, got the gym named after them. It was actually written into the coaches contract.

Perhaps the most recognizable mascot in sports, and certainly the toughest looking, Bevo is a fixture

by run Bevo run on Dec 10, 2008 10:27 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kids these days

Didn’t they ever spend time standing in the driveway shooting free throws? You don’t need special equipment. You don’t need an opponent. You don’t even need much coaching. All you need to do is practice. A simple matter of muscle memory, like riding a bike. Anyone can learn to shoot 80. A gifted athlete ought to be able to shoot 90.

Can’t they see how the bad shooting ruins their game? It turns scoring opportunities into turnovers. It lets opponents take advantage of them without paying the price. Do they want to win games or just audition for the highlight films?

Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.

by Caradoc on Dec 10, 2008 11:38 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So it's not just me

I am also annoyed by the freethrow shooting. I’m a 5’5" female who doesn’t “got game.” But even I could stand in the driveway and shoot freethrows long enough to develop reasonable muscle memory.

These kids should be confined to the charity stripe until they develop some skills.

Watch out, I bite.

by EddieTheAlbinoSquirrel on Dec 10, 2008 12:04 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The flip side is

 they also don’t seem to be getting to the line as much as they should (which as bad as they are might be less embarrassing). The very aggressive defense is giving up a few extra fouls and the much less aggressive offense is not generating as many fouls. This might mean having a 8-10 point handicap a game. If the defense can hold the other team to shooting in the mid 30’s it might not make much difference but against a closely match team like Notre Dame might mean be giving up the margin of victory.

by Xerxes on Dec 10, 2008 1:17 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How about that crap Reynolds pulled on Mason?

Both of Mason’s legs rolled up…could have really hurt him.

by funk on Dec 10, 2008 11:04 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The grabbing of the shorts to pull him down should have been an intentional foul.

Reynolds wasn’t trying to maintain his balance; he was already down. The refs blew that one.

by whills on Dec 10, 2008 11:40 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Reynolds was definitely frustrated

He would have made a good Sooner. He flopped right before he rolled up on Mase and got a call earlier by doing the same thing. Of course, it’s understandable to be frustrated when your most successful play of the game ends with a taste of Sexy Dexy’s taint and a 300-pound dude coming down on you.

by GhostofBigRoy on Dec 10, 2008 1:04 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was at the game...

My friend and I were at the game tonight and first off Philly fans are the worst ever, plus you put them in NYC with alcohol…thats a recipe for disaster. There were prob at least 7-10 nova fans for every longhorn fan there, it got to the point where you had to watch your back to make sure no one was going to try and sucker punch you. With that said this game was on a neutral court, but it was basically a home game for nova, the only team there with their cheerleaders and mascot and an actual student section….but i think we’ve all learned this year winning on a neutral site apparently doesnt mean much…final note the OU sucks chant at the game last night was great…Hook em horns!!!

by longhornfan_inPA on Dec 10, 2008 11:59 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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