Alabama in '09?
by txfan76
on Feb 12, 2008 3:07 PM CST
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I have a buddy who is a huge tide fan and today on one of their subscription boards they were talking about TX and Bama playing in the Superdome in '09-10. Has anyone here heard anything about this, or is it just wishful thinking on their part? I may be late to the party on this one, but I don't remember reading anything about it on here recently so I thought I would check. If this happens I will be booking tickets for the 'Nolia ASAP.
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Correct me if I'm wrong
But, doesn't UT schedule these marquee games about 4-5 years in advance? As cool as this might be, I'm pretty skeptical of a 2009 or even 2010 UT v Bama meeting. I really, really doubt we're going to see a neutral site meeting for this game during the regular season anyway. I mean, if UT and Alabama are going to risk their seasons with an out-of-conference loss possibility I'd figure that they will at least want a home-and-home and make that possible loss worth their while (money, money , money...)
by Bombilla on
Feb 12, 2008 3:17 PM CST
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thats the problem
by Blitzburgh on
Feb 12, 2008 4:17 PM CST
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You are Correct
about them typically scheduling further ahead than that normally. I would say that it would be more for recruitment purposes than financial.....and if someone were to sponsor the game and they split the gate then they would make money too. I don't think it will happen either, but it would be greatness if it did.
by txfan76 on
Feb 12, 2008 3:52 PM CST
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No doubt
A home-and-home Alabama and Texas would be huge!
by Bombilla on
Feb 12, 2008 3:58 PM CST
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Doesn't have to be home and home
Bama just played Florida St. in Jacksonville this year - a one-time deal on a neutral field. And they just inked a similar deal with Clemson in Atlanta for '08 - and this just happened a month or so ago.
Whether it's UT or the Aggies, Mal Moore has been on the lookout for neutral site games with big name opponents - New Orleans makes sense as a neutral location. I'd love to see the Longhorns extend their record to 8-0-1 all time against the Tide.
by beast in bama on
Feb 13, 2008 9:27 AM CST
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Never Gonna Happen
We have some experience playing marquee games at neutral sites during the regular season. The track record ain't that good, lately.
by Bombilla on
Feb 13, 2008 9:50 AM CST
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Too much to give up
UT already losses 1/2 game a year in revenues due to the OU game, adding another neutral site game is not going to happen.
by Wells on
Feb 13, 2008 1:32 PM CST
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re: The New Math
Not to be argumentative, but doesn't getting 1/2 the revenue for 2 years = all the revenue for 1 year + 0 revenue the other (home & home)?
This, of course, ignores the cash influx to Austin from a home game.
by Shake on
Feb 13, 2008 3:02 PM CST
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I was thinking I should clarify this
when I wrote it.
Home and Home = 1/2 a home game per year
Neutral Site = 0 home game per year
So by playing neutral site instead of a home and home would you would lose 1/2 a game per year.
Now you could argue that you could combine a cupcake one year and neutral site the next to make up for it. But it creates schedule problems the year you get the cupcake because BCS conference schools don't let you buy a home game from them, so you may end up with all cupcakes that year for your non con schedule. Also, the neutral site year, due to OU being a neutral site as well, if it is a 3 Big 12 home game year, you could end up with only 5 home games that year.
by Wells on
Feb 13, 2008 4:35 PM CST
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Agreed
I'm guessing that ticket revenues & TV payouts are probably a wash between a less-than-average home & home, versus a marquee neutral site setup.
But below, Bombilla probably makes the most valid point regarding university revenue....it's the merchandise sales that come with a home game. I honestly forgot about the retarded amounts of $$ made from royalties on the brand. You'd think I remember, since I start each season opener w/ a new shirt.
by Shake on
Feb 14, 2008 7:22 AM CST
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Old Math, Man...Old Math
It ain't just about the revenue from the game's ticket sales. It's about revenue from concessions, the new UT hotel (next to Players burger joint on MLK), the additional money at Longhorns Limited, money made at the Campus Club, etc, etc.
So, yeah...the cash influx to Austin is impressive, but it doesn't really help out UT, too much. It's the peripheral services/vendors on campus that love them home games.
by Bombilla on
Feb 13, 2008 7:35 PM CST
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Not to mention
Advertising.
We kill with that.
by Horn Brain on
Feb 13, 2008 11:11 PM CST
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Damn
You crushed that ball off the tee.
by Shake on
Feb 14, 2008 7:18 AM CST
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It was like...
BOOM! MOTHERF***ER!
by Horn Brain on
Feb 14, 2008 8:49 AM CST
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I think the talk has been A&M/Bama
Texas would not have an opening in the sched until 2014. I thought I had heard at some point A&M and Bama were looking at a home and home or a neutral field thing.
by BMG on
Feb 12, 2008 4:02 PM CST
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If it is between A &M and 'Bama
what story will be played out more Bear Bryant or Franchione?
by monolake on
Feb 12, 2008 8:28 PM CST
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not gonna happen
With Arkansas on the sched for 09 and UCLA for 10, Mack/DeLoss will not be scheduling another bcs team until we're done with ole miss after 2013.
by BigTexBD on
Feb 12, 2008 9:43 PM CST
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At the risk of baiting HC...
Your conclusion definitely fits the template that has been developed for OOC scheduling.
But to play the role of devil's advocate, there is 1 opening on the '09 schedule & 2 openings on the '10 schedule.
And to add another layer to this comment, I also noticed that the weekend before T+1 is scheduled with a Big XII game for each of those years (as well as 2011, 2012, 2015). That would be a bit different. I wonder if it will soon be T+2.
by Shake on
Feb 13, 2008 7:39 AM CST
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open dates
Since our "challenging" ooc games are set through 2013, I just think that those open dates become "insert random sun belt team here." I don't think our powers-that-be have any interest in scheduling a second tough ooc game, as much as we'd like t see one.
Plus, with UCLA's recent coaching changes, that game may be the marquee ooc matchup of '10 and '11.
by BigTexBD on
Feb 13, 2008 8:47 AM CST
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definitely
we're on this track for the foreseeable future:
1 sun belt team, 2 c-usa (or comparable level) teams, and a good but not great bcs team.
i'm conflicted on whether i like that or not. obviously, i want to see marquee games. but you know what i like seeing more than marquee games? national championships. and right or wrong, the way it's set up now, the way to ensure you get to the national championship game is to go undefeated.
I think a schedule like this gives you the right balance between easy enough to win all your games and tough enough to test you a little bit before you get into conference play.
i'm not trying to start an argument over this, by the way, HC. everyone has a different calculus for what's important to them. that's fine. i respect that. i'm merely stating what I personally think is important. [i do, however, think it's sad that i have to preface my opinions with "i'm not trying to start a fight" to avoid such a fight.]
by billyzane on
Feb 13, 2008 9:29 AM CST
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I'm not sure...
... I think that if we don't schedule at least one good OOC game, we're going to consistently struggle with OU. Hopefully the first conference game will be the kick in the mouth we need the next two years. Coming into the RRS having only played sucky teams is not a recipe for success. Look at us. We didn't even get into "football mode" until we lost to KSU, and by then it was too late to fix anything before OU. Then we go on a tear until non-accountability and coddling bit us against A&M. Then we smash the crap out of ASU. Winning an NC is tough, and we aren't going to do it with just any Texas football team. It's going to have to be a bunch of tough SOB's who have gone through the fire a few times. Without that grit in the guts, we just won't be able to muscle out that one shitty game that every championship team plays. Unless it's the Cowboys. We f***ing own those bastards.
by Horn Brain on
Feb 13, 2008 10:36 AM CST
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i'm not sure i buy it
obviously, you don't want to play only total patsies, but i'm not sure playing a really good team does much more than playing a decent BCS team other than tell you where you're at as a team. And that's good to know, but I can't imagine that piece of mind is worth a potential loss.
did playing and losing to a good OU team prepare us to play a&m last year? sure didn't look like it. there's plenty of anecdotal evidence of it helping, but for every anecdote you can come up with to make your point, i can come up with a 2007 Cal team that played (and hell, even WON) against a pretty good Tennessee team early last year and then later completely imploded.
sure, there were other factors that lead to that implosion, but that's precisely my point. there's so much going on in a season that can take the team in one direction or another. you have no idea how much one thing contributes to a season's success compared with another. and because of the uncertainty of the positive effect of scheduling hard, I tend to think it's not worth risking the undefeated season before conference play starts with a game you're not necessarily going to be favored to win.
that's the cost-benefit analysis of scheduling. on an emotional level though, I'm with you. damnit, i want to play LSU and Michigan and Alabama in non-conference.
by billyzane on
Feb 13, 2008 12:43 PM CST
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Not T+2 anytime soon.
I think we've committed to moving the game to T day for the next few years.
by Speedway on
Feb 13, 2008 12:26 PM CST
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tOSU factor
Texas beat OU in the '05 and '06 seasons. There had been a game against Ohio State early in the year during each of those seasons.
That said, I'd like to see Texas-LSU home-and-homes or to have LSU bring back the A&M rivalry
But LSU is a lot like UT in a way. Bring on the Sun Belt. However, LSU's big non-conference win against Va Tech paid huge dividends in the end of the season
by FreedomDip on
Feb 13, 2008 12:16 PM CST
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re: LSU/V-Tech
I agree that it helped, but only because this was the fluke-year that a 2 loss team made the MNC game.
Winning the SEC championship game was the biggest boost to get them in.
by Shake on
Feb 13, 2008 1:11 PM CST
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The early season OOC game...
.....between VaTech and LSU was even more telling from the other side of the ledger. Even though VaTech lost to LSU by monumental proportions (41 points), they would have been playing in the Nat'l Championship game had they not lost to Boston College (by all of 4 points) later in the season. VaTech was well ahead of Missouri in the polls until VaTech suffered the close loss to Boston College. As Missouri finished the regular season ranked #2, it is pretty clear VaTech would have held the #2 spot had they defeated BC.
Mack Brown has consecutive victories over Bob Stoops only once in his career at Texas. His most significant OOC opponent prior to those wins? That would be #4 OhioSt. in 2005 and #1 OhioSt. in '06. Of course Mack Brown has gone undefeated only once in his 24 season career. He's won only one Conf.Championship and then there is the single MNC. Both occured after defeating #4 OhioSt. early in the 2005 season. The importance of playing a significant opponent prior to facing the bitchslap we call RRS couldn't be more obvious!
BZ I appreciate your position and I don't wish to have this expand to some form of pissing match, yet I have to ask how bad must the Stoops vs. Brown matchup get (currently 3-6, likely worse this season) before you demand more competitive scheduling?? I'm just asking.....Frankly, we (the fans) probably got lucky with all the coaching changes (Petrino, Neuheisel/Chow & Nutt). What had previously been cherrypicked programs in chaos, are now formidable.
did playing and losing to a good OU team prepare us to play a&m last year?
Well it certainly prepared us to reel off five consecutive victories! I was on record, months prior to season's start, as predicting a loss to A&M. Not because I thought they were that good, but due partly to a thin, inexperienced O-Line. My crystal ball did not predict season-ending losses of Tony Hills and Dallas Griffin, but I fully expected tough injuries to a thin O-Line. A season without a bye week just wreaked of potential hazard. Another big concern was the lack of experienced talent in the D-backfield. Both will continue to be concerns this season.
2008 OOC Marquee matchups:
Auburn @ W.Virginia
Boston College vs. Notre Dame
Cal vs. Michigan State
Clemson vs. S.Carolina
Colorado @ Florida State
Colorado vs. West Virginia
Florida vs. Miami
Florida @ Florida State
Georgia @ Arizona State
Illinois vs. Missouri
Kansas @ S.Florida
Kansas St. @ Louisville
Louisville vs. Kentucky
Miami @ A&M
Michigan @ Notre Dame
Nebraska vs. VaTech
Ohio State vs. USC
OU @ Washington
Oregon vs. Boise State
USC @ Virginia
USC vs. Notre Dame
Tennessee @ UCLA
Texas vs. Arkansas
by HornChamps on
Feb 14, 2008 1:36 PM CST
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No contest
USC vs. Notre Dame (the domers in LA? this is Godzilla vs. Bambi)
OU @ Washington? When the hell is schtoops going to figure out that playing them PAC 10 teams just ain't worth it?? Sheesh... Pre-pre-pre-pre-season prediction: OU 42 - Wash 44. Actually, was that a PAC 10 ref crew??
Meh... regardless, nice list HornChamps!
by Bombilla on
Feb 14, 2008 4:12 PM CST
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