Tourney Talk: The Longhorns Head To Houston
PB: Wooooooo!
AW: I just got home from the lake house. Unbelievable.
PB: Terrific. I was thrilled with our performance today, late Miami rally and all.
AW: We were unstoppable in the first half - we would have led at halftime against any team in the country. I thought we took our foot off the gas some in the second half. It wouldn't have even been close, though, had we sunk our free throws.
Now, first off, did you get to see the game on TV or via computer?
PB: Funny you ask. I thought long and hard about whether to settle for MMOnDemand or to hit the local Buffalo Wild Wings. I went with the latter, which was a good decision, but I have in my notes several rants about the experience. Like, the 80s power rock playing in the first half instead of basketball announcing. Or the douchebag sitting two seats down from me who - get this - claimed one of the big screen TVs for... snowboarding! I had to watch TN-Butler out of the corner of my eye so that this tool could watch some meaningless trick show on ice.
AW: Wow. I was at the Y last Sunday for work. After escaping from what I was supposed to be doing, I settled in the weight room on top of a bike directly below two TVs. (I wasn’t exercising, of course - just watching.) One TV had Texas vs Kansas and the other had Wisconsin vs Illinois. And one of the guys in the gym changed the Big 10 final to the Rockets vs Lakers game. I appreciate all basketball lovers, but a regular season NBA game over any conference tourney final is just wrong. I don't care how many in a row the Rockets had run off.
PB: I submit that there's nothing less exciting than a regular season NBA game. At least MLB has a fantasy format that invites attention.
AW: I agree. I don't have a favorite NBA team and never will. The only reason I ever watch is when I have a bet riding on the outcome and I don't even do that until late in the playoffs.
PB: Agreed. Let's move on before we become irrelevant.
AW: Okay, I’m pausing to read your postgame notes on BON.
Ok. Done. Not surprisingly, I agree with everything.
PB: We've co-blogged for four years now; the mind-meld is complete. So let's look forward to Houston. The big question is how to defend Stanford. Man or zone?
AW: Both, I guess. You’re right in your post about Miami getting back in the game when we went zone. I’m still traumatized by what Kansas did to our zone in Kansas City as well. Let me submit this: one defense isn't going to do it. One point about each though. When we play man against Stanford, we must double down on both of the Lopez boys. If Stanford beats us from the perimeter - so be it, but we can't let them school us man-on-man. When we play zone, I'd like one of our three guards to be on the bench. I hate our 2-3 when Mason is on the backline. I think we are WAY too small both in terms of defense and rebounding. The best zone is Mason and DJ up top and Johnson, James, and Connor down low. Barnes can use Wingman as well. I just hate our zone when we play all three small guards at the same time.
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PB: I think that's exactly right. With our starting five, let's play man, work hard on keeping the Lopez kids from catching it too deep, and double as appropriate. If we intend to play zone, it needs to be with the bigger group. I get the feeling we'd be really, really well served by a big game from Dexy. Can he give us 15 big minutes? I'd imagine an ideal game would involve him frustrating those tall Stanford kids a bit, who aren't used to someone their size.
AW: No, Dex is not the answer. My brother said the same thing before the Miami game. Then, I proceeded to point out every poor defensive possession that Dex had for the game. As you mentioned in the postgame write up, they were numerous. He is incapable of providing ball screen defense. His feet just don't move fast enough. He is also incapable of moving his feet against anyone who can dribble the basketball. I love Dex. He has worked his ass off and will someday, maybe even next year, be able to contribute 15 minutes. But, sadly, he is not the answer. I think we need a big defensive game from WingMan and at least 15 minutes from Johnson. Gary will be giving up a ton on inches but he is solid on defense. He knows how to use his body, is constantly harassing his man, and can rebound with both hands.
It would also be nice if Connor could draw an early foul or two on either of them.
PB: Not sure I agree here. Though I agree with your assessment of Dex, he struggles with teams who use their big men in motion. Stanford runs as close to an NBA offense as you'll see in the college game. The ball goes in to the block, where the twin towers go to work. In that capacity, I think Dexter's going to have to be used as a stopgap at times. I also shudder a bit thinking about Gary Johnson guarding a 7'1" center who can finish around the rim.
AW: I shudder too, but those Lopez boys are going to eat Pittman alive if we leave him on an island down low. He will pick up a foul on just about every touch. I have no problem trying it. Maybe he can block a shot or draw an offensive foul. I just wouldn't count on Dex as the solution to the Lopez problem because he isn't going to be in the game for very long.
PB: I think the battle with the Lopez kids is a war of attrition of sorts. And from our side, winning the war means not being forced to use Connor/James to defend them too much. Because we can't afford either in foul trouble. So to the extent Dexter can give us 15 minutes - imperfect though they may be - I think we need them. Even if he fouls out. Those fouls have to go to him instead of the guys we absolutely must have on offense. What's more, he's a good rebounder. We can't ask Damion/Connor to carry that whole load.
AW: Agreed. He’s part of the solution - just not the whole solution. Every foul that is on Dex and not on Connor is Advantage Texas, regardless of whether Stanford gets two foul shots. Connor must stay on the floor. He was my answer in the BON roundtable and even though AJ is shooting lights out, it’s Connor that remains the second most important player on the floor. When AJ sits, Connor and DJ can still do their thing. If Connor is forced to sit with foul trouble, our offense usually grinds to a halt. AJ won't be getting those open looks if Atchley is watching from the bench.
PB: I don't disagree with that at all, though I'd suggest that Damion's perhaps the second most important player in this game, just barely ahead of Connor. As important as Connor is to our offense (and I think you're exactly right in your analysis), our defensive rebounding in this game absolutely requires Damion James on the floor.
AW: I think you sort of made this point in your post game observations, but I’ll go ahead and say it very clearly: This is the best team that Rick Barnes has ever put together. The ‘6 team certainly had more talent and the ‘03 team went to the Final Four, but this team, collectively, is the best I've ever seen at Texas.
Agree?
PB: I only raised the question in the postgame wrap, but I do agree. If I had doubts before today, they were erased watching this group play the best help defense I've seen in at least two years, in conjunction with an offensive fluidity that simply never existed with the TJ team. This is a real Team, capital T. Whatever happens in the Houston Regional (which has quite the final four, huh?), I think this is Rick's best team ever.
AW: Yeah, I can't wait for Friday. I’ll certainly enjoy the games on TV on Thursday, but Friday is going to be something special. Calipari vs. Izzo. The Stanford Trees vs. the Texas guards.
PB: We've made a big issue all season of the home court advantage Texas would enjoy in Houston. Now that we're here, what are you expecting on Friday night?
AW: A sea of burnt orange. I don't know how many Reliant holds for basketball, but it will definitely be filled to the brim. Memphis travels well but I can't wait to see Longhorn fans everywhere. UCLA certainly benefited this weekend from their fan support in Anaheim. Texas should have that kind of support times ten. It is going to be very, very difficult to beat the 'Horns in Houston.
PB: I wonder if our advantage won't be greater in the Elite Eight - should we advance - than on Friday night. I watched Stanford play at Pauley Pavilion and they're such a methodical team that I wonder how much effect, if any, the hostile crowd might have. I think the two things I'll be looking for are: 1) the extent to which our own players are energized by/more confident because of the home crowd and 2) how comfortable our guards are shooting the long jump shot at Reliant. There's always a concern when you play basketball in a football stadium that the depth perception is out of whack. We need our guys to be shooting on the mark.
AW: I think you bring up a good point. Pace will definitely be something to watch on Friday. I know that we don't have much of a bench, but with extended TV timeouts and four days off, stamina for our starters isn't going to be a factor. We'll get what we can from our bench but the starting five are going to determine the outcome. Early in the Miami game, Texas was able to push the ball and get some good looks both near the rim and from three. As you've mentioned from your own observations about Stanford, Texas will hold a clear quickness advantage on Friday. The more up and down we can play, the better. Not only does Texas have the ability to score in transition, but it will also be easier to score in the paint if the Lopez boys are still running back on defense.
PB: Watching Stanford-UCLA a couple weeks back, I kept asking myself, "When's Howland going to start pushing the damn ball? This Stanford team is slow." When UCLA erased a 14-point second half deficit, the catalyst was (unsurprisingly) Collison, who I believe scored 11 straight points during one stretch. I think it's critical we maximize our advantage in that regard. And, of course, stay out of foul trouble on the other end. It's tough to imagine us surviving a long stretch with one of our key starters on the bench.
AW: One more point about defending the Lopez twins: Ball pressure is often an overlooked element to defending the post. Yeah, it's going to be important for our bigs to keep them out of the lane. But our guards can help tremendously if they are able to harass the passer out front. In the Marquette game, the Stanford point guard, Johnson I think, had 16 assists to 1 turnover. That is simply insane. If he’s able to calmly and effectively feed the post, there won't be much our bigs can do. It starts with ball pressure and solid pre-catch post positioning.
PB: I completely agree. I think Texas has as much work to do before the Lopez kids ever touch it as they do once the ball's in their hands. We either need to be denying the entry pass (from inside and out) or we need to be battling hard to ensure they're not catching it with a foot in the paint. If they get the ball that close, it's over. It's also tough because when one twin shoots the other is waiting for an offensive rebound. This is why I'm so focused on Damion James being out on the floor. Without his rebounding, we're in a scary, scary position.
Does all this talk make you think the officials may have a say in the outcome of this game?
AW: Somewhat. I typically think that as the tournament goes on the players, the teams, and the officiating get better. I think the officials will let the players play . At least I hope they do. If we get ticky-tack BS calls early, then its going to be a long game.
PB: Let's hope you're right. Although the fan in me won't shed a tear if one or both of the Lopez twins gets sidelined by foul trouble. It's going to be a fun, fun Friday night. The one we've been anticipating all year...
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Did the 'Canes scout?
While I agree we came out hot today, I think it was both us being hot and Miami basically ignoring Connor and AJ on the perimeter in the first half that produced our surge. I remember several times noticing that whoever the 'Canes had on Connor would leave him open if he took more than two steps in any direction.
I wouldn't be surprised to see the Cardinal take a few minutes to adjust to our speed, and we're going to need to take advantage of that to open up another big lead. If Stanford is a methodical team like you said, PB, I'd like to see if we can get them frustrated playing from behind and give up on their inside game a little bit. A few minutes of watching the Tree guards lob up long bricks could get the big Trees a little grouchy and get them into some foul trouble, perhaps.
Whatever, I probably don't know what I'm talking about. I just hope the DJ's, AJ, Dr. A, J-Mace, and GJ eat their flap-jacks on Friday morning, because we're going lumberjacking!
by Horn Brain on Mar 24, 2008 2:40 AM CDT 0 recs
Katz on Texas / Stanford
No. 3 STANFORD vs. No. 2 TEXAS, Friday, 7:27 ET
Stanford
Was this expected? Well, if you're going to get a No. 3 seed and finish just out of first place in the Pac-10, you'd better make it to at least the second weekend of the tournament, right? Stanford had what appeared to be a favorable draw with Cornell up first, then either Marquette or Kentucky, two teams that lacked a post presence to compete with the Lopez twins. But, ah, nothing is as it seems in this tournament.
How did they get here? Brook Lopez. Did you see how hard an angle Lopez had on the winning shot to beat Marquette in overtime? Wow. Lopez used his size and strength to get the shot off and knew the angles well enough to see that shot through. But let's not dismiss Brook's twin, Robin, who combined with Brook's 30 to give the Cardinal 48 of the team's 82 points Saturday in Anaheim, Calif. Point guard Mitch Johnson had a stellar performance with 16 assists and one turnover against the pressure-oriented Golden Eagles.
What does this mean for the program? Well, after last season's floundering first-round performance against Louisville, this comes as a huge relief. The Cardinal played as if they were one of the 16 best programs this season, and getting to the second weekend validates the year the Lopez twins and players such as Johnson, Taj Finger, Anthony Goods and Lawrence Hill had in the Pac-10.Drama factor so far? Pretty, pretty high, and it all came in the second-round win over Marquette. The end-of-game situation to push it to overtime and the final frenetic possessions to beat Marquette made for classic March Madness viewing.
Texas
Was this expected? Yes. When the bracket came out, the Longhorns probably had one of the easier rides to the Sweet 16 of the No. 2 seeds. Texas earned that with regular-season wins over UCLA, Tennessee and Kansas. Texas had little trouble with Austin Peay, but had to survive a gritty Miami to advance.
How did they get here? Texas did what it does best in beating Austin Peay, and that's lean on its guards (A.J. Abrams had 26 points, and the team shot 56.6 percent on 3s). The trend continued in the win over Miami: shooting 57.1 percent, Abrams putting up 26 again, and D.J. Augustin having a decent floor game with eight assists and three turnovers. The Longhorns didn't help themselves by missing 10 free throws, but still were able to make enough plays when it mattered to advance.
What does this mean for the program? Texas has clearly established itself as one of the premier programs in the country. Getting to the Sweet 16 the year after Kevin Durant -- the best freshman and national POY contender -- leaves is yet another accomplishment for coach Rick Barnes. Texas has become one of the top jobs in the country under Barnes and a Sweet 16, as hard as it is to achieve, proves the Longhorns are elite.
Drama factor so far? It got a little dicey in the final minute against Miami. But credit the Hurricanes for pushing Texas to make free throws. Texas had the game under control for most of it but needed to get a little anxiety sweat going before heading to Houston.
by patienthornsfan on
Mar 24, 2008 6:58 AM CDT
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Whoa! Wait a minute...
There's a kid playing for Stanford named "Taj Finger"? Oh man...I don't even know where to start with this one.
Anyway, in all seriousness, I like Katz' last comment regarding the positivity of "a little anxiety sweat before heading to Houston". I think he's absolutely right.
The man should open a deli or something.
by Bombilla on
Mar 24, 2008 9:22 AM CDT
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No shit. It never closes?
by 512 on
Mar 24, 2008 2:32 PM CDT
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NBA regular season games
I agree, for the most part, not as meaningful as say, the Big 12 title game.
But the Rockets vs Lakers game was an exception, and that's why he probably changed the channel (either that or he's a Rockets/Lakers fan). I was flipping back and forth.
The Rockets at the time were riding a 21 game winning streak. This has only been done two times previously in the history of the NBA.
KU/UT in the Big 12 title game... doesn't this happen every year? Plus I knew even if we lost, we could get a 2 seed in Houston.
Ironic huh? While I'd still take this route, wouldn't you like to have KU's route looking at what's transpired? They get to play Villanova in the Sweet 16 and then the winner of Wisconsin/Davidson to get to the Final Four. We still have to deal with Stanford, and then either Memphis or Mich. St, a team that has already defeated us.
by goingforthecorner on Mar 24, 2008 4:29 AM CDT 0 recs
I expect AJ to go off
One thing I noticed was that in Non Conference play, AJ hit tons of outside shots. Once we got to conference play, he went into a mini-slump. Surprise, surprise, now that we're back in non conf play he's killing teams.
I think that Big 12 teams and players spent a lot more time trying to lock him down. Every player in the Big12 knew that it was critical not to give AJ an inch of space - that was bred from 3 years of dealing with him.
I expect AJ to average 50% for the rest of the tourney. Opponents will say to themselves, "we're going to lock down the little guy," but the players on the floor dont really understand how hard that is until 10 mins have gone by and he's 4-4 from outside.
by DogTown on Mar 24, 2008 9:37 AM CDT 0 recs
Very entertaining
I love the documented conversations.
I agree with AW on Pittman. While we could use a few minutes/fouls from him, having him guard Brooke would be devastating even with a double-team coming. He simply cannot move laterally to keep offensive players from the basket without fouling. Brooke would eat him alive and pick up quick fouls on him.
I'd say that this team definitely has the best starting five of any Barnes Texas team, but the depth on the 02-03 team makes it a tough call on which team was better. I guess we'll find out which team can do more in the tourney. I also disagree on the "offensive fluidity" of this team being better. TJ's ball distribution provided great offensive fluidity, and that team got a bunch of open threes and good looks inside because of it. This years team has better passing from the supporting cast, though, and better scorers as well (AJ, Damion, Connor).
Stanford's going to be a tough matchup, but my money's on us going to the elite 8.
by longhorn00 on Mar 24, 2008 9:52 AM CDT 0 recs
re: Pittman
I'd love to see him play well enough to get a quality 15 minutes out of him, but he better get the damn turnovers under control.
by Shake on
Mar 24, 2008 10:09 AM CDT
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Great conversation fellas
I have heard nothing about Chapman getting PT in y'alls conversation. Why wouldn't Barnes use him? He can move his feet and has nice length. Just as we use Dex to pick up fouls, we should be using Chapman. This is the type of game he could be useful in because he can move better than Dex and the Twins aren't especially strong inside, just tall. Also, he's from Oregon and naturally despises the PAC 10, having had to grow up watching it.
It's also good to keep in mind that the Cardinal will be seeing us for the first time. I don't think teams truly appreciate our team speed until they see us flying past them and look at the scoreboard down 10. Then we slow down the game and let them back in it.
Hook 'em
by jimmer on Mar 24, 2008 11:29 AM CDT 0 recs
I agree about Chapman
Did I miss him or did he not play against Miami? Chappy's come a long way since the beginning of the season.. threw up a couple of good shots Friday but, for the life of me, I don't remember seeing him yesterday... Wingman's also getting better.. Damn we have a good team!!
by LadyLonghorninOK on
Mar 24, 2008 12:40 PM CDT
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Yeah, he didn't play yesterday
Over the last 9 games he is only averaging 4 minutes a game, so Barnes is apparently only using him in very special situations. I agree that he is underutilized and his length could especially help in the next game. I wish he had gotten more "experience" in those first two rounds.
I didn't realize he only had 4 minutes of game time in the AP blowout. Good players keep themselves mentally prepared though, so maybe he will be ready to put in some solid minutes on both ends of the floor if Rick puts him in on Friday.
by UTAth on
Mar 24, 2008 1:00 PM CDT
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Follow-up...He wasn't even on the roster
For some reason I don't show Chap on the roster in the box score.
by UTAth on
Mar 24, 2008 1:03 PM CDT
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Good Point
Considering that he only played 4 minutes against the Peay, it seems unlikely that Rick would use him at all against Stanford. Regardless, the question will be answered in four days time.
by jimmer on
Mar 24, 2008 2:21 PM CDT
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We're the Big Dog
I think that the more valid question is how will Stanford stop us? With a big slow line up, how do you stop 10 foot runners from penetrating guards and James? Likewise, I expect to see Stanford try a lot of long, over-the-top inlet passes that we should be able to pick off or deny with some frequency. A quick pace should keep them on their heels for most of the game.
Denying and challenging all feeds to the post should result in copious amounts of turnovers and transition/ fast-break points for us.
These are my hopes.
Trying to weather the Stanford pounding and playing their game is not a good approach. Nullifying their big men through superior guard play is how we take it to them.
We are the better team. They try to stop us, not vis versa.
by SuperNova on Mar 24, 2008 11:41 AM CDT 0 recs
UCLA/Stanford game and DaMo's overlooked stat
PB,
Something else I noticed in that final regular season game against UCLA was how far out of the paint UCLA was pushing Brook Lopez late in the second half. He put up some really ugly shots and UCLA's D (even with the officiating help) won that game for them down the stretch.
Foul trouble is always a concern in a game situation against a bigger frontcourt like we will face (especially when it concerns Atchley), but if we can keep them away from the painted area like you were saying, I believe half the battle will already be won.
As a sidenote, there is one statistic that has gone overlooked for DaMo. He has only fouled out of one game this year (the Tech game). For the amount of rebounds that he pulls down, that says volumes about his footwork and ability on both ends of the floor.
by UTAth on Mar 24, 2008 12:13 PM CDT 0 recs
Practice question
How much can practice key Dex (and Wang and Chappy) to the Stanford game plan? That would be the place where a little more effectiveness translates into fewer fouls and better coverage.
Dex noted after the game that there has been a new emphasis on defense. (He said that he was concentrating on that but I'm sure this is really at the behest of the coaches, of course.) So, the practice for him for the Stanford game (and those like it) began a week, possibly more, before this. Is it possible that some (not all) of his foot work can catch up?
If any bball gurus have any insight, just how detailed and perscriptive are such practices in the framework of game plans?
WWKD? What would Kansas do? And are there any teams like us that Stanford has played; if so, what happened there? And how would a running team like Kansas, like us but with better depth, approach this game? I would think Self would push the tempo as much as possible.
Last, will there be any Pac 10 officials within 10 blocks of Reliant?
by whills on Mar 24, 2008 2:42 PM CDT 0 recs
Similarities to Marquette
As far as height based on position, I would say Marquette is the closest to Texas as far as who Stanford has played. On overall average from top to bottom, our team is a little taller. I know Marquette loves to get transition baskets so their style is probably similar to ours in that respect (getting up and down the floor on a missed shot), but I don't know what type of offense they run.
Texas (Per Game) - Steals 6.0, Blocks 5.3, FG% .453, FT% .682, 3PT% .391, Reb 38.1, Ast 13.1, TO 9.6, PPG 75.5
Marquette (Per Game) - Steals 9.3, Blocks 3.8, FG% .446, FT% .706, 3PT% .353, Reb 36.8, Ast 14.7, TO 12.9, PPG 75.9
So, quickly glancing at things, everything looks fairly similar other than the steals/blocks and 3PT percentage. We have the best backcourt in the nation, hands down, so it's no surprise that we have good numbers in the perimeter shooting and turnover department.
The Pomeroy ratings show some interesting numbers when looking at these teams against one another also. For example, Texas is top 3 adjusted offensive efficiency while Marquette is 25th. On the flip side, Marquette is 12th in defensive efficiency while Texas is 31st. That one kind of surprised me.
Interesting stuff.
by UTAth on Mar 24, 2008 3:15 PM CDT 0 recs













