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iv been looking at orangebloods lately and theve posted two articles the last two days on a possible position change or transfer in the qb ranks, would somebody clear this up for the guys who dont hold a subscription please!!!! my best bet is that gj kinne transfers or maybe Sherrod Harris moves to a skill position given his track record, but this being my second post ill leave it up to yall

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I read the article on Orangebloods.com and they are indicating that Sherrod Harris is to meet with the coaching staff and discuss his status. He is unhappy that since his injury last summer that he hasn't gotten a chance to compete for the back-up QB position. The speculation is that he will as to transfer to another school to be able to play QB. Interesting note that is he could graduate this May since he came to school with about 70 hours from High School. No mention of anyone else rumored to transfer.

UT59

by UT59 on Mar 25, 2008 12:15 PM CDT   0 recs

Sherrod transferring

Not sure if it's a done deal but he's certainly considering it.  Responses on his Facebook wall as well as his status updates confirm it.

Ah, to be a Facebook stalker.

by whoopspat on Mar 25, 2008 12:34 PM CDT   0 recs

I'm surprised

hearing this from Harris. I hope the coaches can convince him to stay, because Colt is going to leave sooner or later and leave a qb spot to be filled. I would hate for there to be little or no competition for that spot.

TWC

by TWC on Mar 25, 2008 2:28 PM CDT   0 recs

expect more to transfer
the word is that coaches expect to see several transfers between now and 2009.  However, don't expect that the players transferring will include anyone who we actually expected to see on the field.

Currently the horns will have 82 players on scholarship for 2008.  They have 13 or 14 seniors and have received verbals from 16 recruits. Additionally, Jordan Shipley is expected to apply for another year of eligibility for 2009.  Along with the 4 offers we've got outstanding, this means that there will probably be a need for anywhere between 16 and 21 scholarships for 2009 given.  With 13 or 14 seniors coming off the books in 2008, we still would need 5 or 6 players to make their way off of the team between now and 2009.

QB is the natural spot where you'd expect there to be a shake-up, and WR is probably the other spot that is heavy.  I'd expect there to be quite a bit of movement in both of these spots between this year and next year.

John Chiles - I'm your foster daddy!

by BMG on Mar 25, 2008 2:44 PM CDT   0 recs

where do the backups stand

I know Kinne was supposed to be a bad mo fo, and I know that Chiles and Harris were battling hard for the backup spot before Harris had an injury.  And of course we saw a little bit last year of what Chiles brings to the table.  What I don't know is what is going on behind Chiles.  Is he the definite #2 going into next year?  What about Kinne?  It seems like I haven't heard a thing about him, but he was supposed to be a good recruit.  Anyone have any insight into where all these QBs stand right now.  If Harris does transfer, will Kinne battle Chiles for the backup?  And who is the best passer in the group?  All knowledge/opinions appreciated.  I feel like a slacker fan for not knowing more...

by hooked08 on Mar 25, 2008 3:12 PM CDT   0 recs

Best Passer?

Seriously?

Colt.

Given an experienced line and healthy receivers, Colt is poised to be the most prolific passer in UT history.  Multiple years of starting doesn't hurt, but everyone is so quick to jump off how good of a passer he really is.

If we consider last year a bad year for Colt, and I think most would, a 65% completion (Highest Career % all time UT), 3300 yard (third all time UT), 22 TD (Tied for 4th all time UT) bad year, is pretty freaking good.

Im not saying Colt is any all-time great Texas QB yet, but he is just now becoming an upperclassman, and hes totally poised for it.  And certainly is the best passer we have right now.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Mar 25, 2008 3:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I just considered...

That you may have meant, who is the best passer among the backups.

That I do not know.

=D

by BoddickerIsClutch on Mar 25, 2008 3:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

QBs

I think Chiles is clearly the #2 if for no reason other than his athleticism and that he's the only QB other than Colt with any degree of meaningful PT.

If Gilbert redshirts his first year, he'd be a freshman and Chiles would be a senior the year after Colt leaves.

Clearly there has to be a solid #3 in there somewhere, though.

by bassale47 on Mar 25, 2008 4:00 PM CDT   0 recs

Colt is definitely the best passer...

and Chiles seems to have improved from what was seen at the two open practices.  I only saw Kinne at the first one, and he just doesnt do anything very impressive.

And I'm not going to try to say Colt isnt a good passer, but those stats border on cherrypicking when you put it against the fact that he couldnt put it deep. I'm not saying he can't, he never had much of a chance in a pocket that would instantly collapse.  I'm just saying it would be nice to see him have a chance to prove it.

That being said, Colt is still my guy and I can't wait for the competition for the field to heat up.

by UTrumbo on Mar 25, 2008 5:23 PM CDT   0 recs

This would truly be a shame
if Sherrod transfers. He's much better than John Chiles. Dude's a really nice guy too.

by texasauteur on Mar 25, 2008 7:29 PM CDT   0 recs

I never understand the basis...

for comparisons between Harris and Chiles.  Like most of us, I watched every game last season; Harris didn't play enough for me to draw any conclusion about his abilities.  Besides the games, we get to see what--four open practices each year?  I attended two of them and didn't walk away thinking either player was spectacularly better than the other.  

Harris might be much better.  I just don't know, and I don't know how anyone (not privy to private information) could know.

by mikey 4 on Mar 25, 2008 9:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The Orange-White game

should provide some insight on all of this.

Last year it was a duel between Harris and Chiles and each made a spectacular play.

If, as was suggested on another thread by hornbone, that they have two offenses, that would be a better vehicle for seeing all four QBs play.

This discussion tonight should be restarted after the Saturday scrimmage.

by whills on Mar 25, 2008 11:41 PM CDT   0 recs

The one problem with this is...

The reason that the talk began to heat up was because neither Kinne or Harris were getting any reps in the closed practices and neither were expected to get any reps in the scrimmage.

by GoHorns on Mar 26, 2008 7:53 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The QB

Colt McCoy is a filler. Vince left early, and we didn't have anybody else. He happened to be the most experienced. Vince would have every QB record out there, but he only played 1 half in most of the games because he took care of business against teams he was suppose to.

When Chiles gets his passing down, he will be the guy. When Colt losses a game for us this year (Kansas State last year), Chiles will be the starter from then on. Garret will be the guy after Chiles graduates. I honestly think they would have pulled Coly last year if Chiles was ready. Chiles will be ready this year.

Kinne is nothing but a back up, just like Colt would have been id Vince stayed another year.

by Longhorns84 on Mar 26, 2008 8:18 AM CDT   0 recs

Different Projection

Once the OL solidifies - I project that Colt will set the record for TDs and yards next year, and smash most if not all of UTs passing records in his Longhorn career.  

From what I have seen, and it is not much of a sample size, Chiles has been unbelievably inaccurate throwing the football.  I think his role will expand into a "slash" role - but do not see him beating out Colt.

by realmccoy on Mar 26, 2008 8:26 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

really?

"He happened to be the most experienced."

Don't be so quick to re-write the history books on this subject.  It was a red-shirt Freshman (Colt) and a true Freshman (Jevan).  I believe that it was a wide open competition between the two, and a battle that Colt outright won.

Disclaimer: I may be wrong.

by Shake on Mar 26, 2008 8:57 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Vince was probably the best College QB...

That we might ever see.  If not, top 3.

Thats a tough comparison to hold to.  Thats like saying Cedric was a filler for the few years after Ricky left, it doesnt mean that Cedric, or Colt are great players and competitors in their own right.

As for rewriting history, don't forget that Colt, as a redshirt freshman, tied the national record for touchdowns by a frosh, with being not only completely knocked out of one game, but also obviously still injured in another.  After he went, what was it, 7 for 7 down the field on the opening drive against K State, did anyone think that game's outcome could be in doubt?

I'm a big proponent of Colt in that I think he has earned himself another year with his past performance.  I dont think hes better than Vince, but then again, I dont know if anyone will ever be better than Vince.

I like to point out the numbers because, no matter what else is out there, the kid has put together two marquee seasons as an underclassman.  And for a filler QB, he will most likely own just about all the passing records here at Texas when he is done.

Or he could regress next year, and lose his spot on the team and in Longhorn history.  Who knows, but he has definitely earned his chance.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Mar 26, 2008 9:48 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed

Everyone likes to hate on Colt because we haven't one another title yet, but that I fear has more to do with coaching (a problem we've corrected) than talent on our team.  Colt is no VY, but neither is anyone else out there.  VY is a generational athlete, one of a kind, and we won't see the likes of him again for another 15 years at least.  Remember, if he hadn't been injured his redshirt year, he would have beaten the national record for a freshman, and before his injury, it was nothing but love for him and how amazing he was and "omg look at him go, and he's only a redshirt!"  That's the thing about Texas fans, though, we love our team after we win, but until then, nothing but frustration.  Just think of everything that went wrong last year that wasn't Colt's fault: our high standing in the Fulmer cup race, Limas' injury and eventual leaving of the team to get surgery, an OL that was unpredictable at best and at worst couldn't protect against a bunch of crawling babies, a DC situation that was undesirable and of course, the plague of Greg Davis' high school play calling and plain stupidity, especially knowing the trouble with the OL.  So let's not saddle Colt with all the responsibility for last season's failures and hey, we won 10 and won the bowl game, and changes have been made (great ones, I will say), so let's look forward to an awesome 2008-09 season.  Hook'em.

Honk if you're longhorny!

by Katie McBeast on Mar 26, 2008 10:25 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Filler for what?

The lack of another option?  Are we waiting for the second coming of VY?  If the latter is the case, I will tell you to stop holding your breath since we'll likely be waiting another 15+ years for another VY and even then, there's no guarantee he'll come to Texas (let's hope he doesn't pick A&M or OU either, if that's the case).  Has there been another athlete like VY before?  Anyone even close?  I don't think so, so there might not be another like him ever.  So Colt is not a "filler," he's currently the starting QB.  I'm sure you were one of the people touting how awesome Colt was in his near-record breaking redshirt year, and only after a worse than predicted/hoped for season do you start to bash him and call him a filler.  If Jevan had been better, he would have been chosen and as far as Chiles goes, well, I'm not all that convinced he's ready or even that great.  From what I've seen of him, which is very little, he needs work and isn't the natural talent that VY was.  My point being: lay off Colt!  He's better than Sims ever was and has done Texas proud so far, let's give him a chance.  I'm sure if we win the Title under him, you'll be singing his praises.

Honk if you're longhorny!

by Katie McBeast on Mar 26, 2008 10:30 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You can't be serious....

can you?  Really?  

Man...I'll take a "Filler" every year if he'll tie the freshman record for TD passes in a season!  

Even if Vince stays another year I still believe Colt is the guy when Vince leaves.  

I think Colt is poised for a much better year this year than last.  His line is a year more experienced, Major is there to help when needed and Colt is a year older and wiser too!

by abtxutfan on Mar 26, 2008 2:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You're High

"Colt McCoy is a filler"? Dude...please.

Colt's a great QB. VY was a freak of nature that we're not likely to ever see again. Snead and Colt competed all spring and summer in 2006. Anyone that saw Colt in those practices would agree that he was (and is) far and away the better QB.

Chiles? M'eh...he's got nice moves, but no accuracy. That may change with time, but his role will (and should) remain as a backup to Colt.

Harris? Fuck him. If he's unhappy, let him go. I seriously doubt that Greg Davis is stopping him from competing for the 2nd string QB position - that's just retarded. IMHO I think that Harris either isn't talented enough to compete, too lazy to compete, or just a little whiny bitch.

But, that's just my two-cents.

I would totally read the Washington Post every single day if I cared at all about helping Dan Steinberg keep his job.

by Bombilla on Mar 26, 2008 3:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Just, Wow

I've made my opinion on Harris known in the past, and I'll say it again.  That kid is a great kid.  He is so loyal to Texas that he's having a very difficult time in decidinig whether or not to transfer because he loves Texas and his teammates that much.  By the way, he's not that far from graduating.  

Look, he has been saddled by GD.  That is a fact.  He is not getting reps at all.  If that isn't someone stopping someone from competing, I don't know what is.  Harris is probably talented enough to start at most smaller D1 schools, but this is Texas.  He has an uphill battle.  And he is in no WAY too lazy to compete.  This is just about as good a guy you can ask for at Texas.

I really like reading what you have to say, Bombilla, but you could not be farther off on your statements of Harris if you tried.

by GoHorns on Mar 27, 2008 7:50 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks, but...
...c'mon, GoHorns. How can you say he's not getting a chance to compete for the backup spot? We both know that he'll never compete for the #1 spot, but I think Chiles has some chinks in the armor namely a quick step but an inaccurate arm.

Everything I'd read about Harris prior to his injury is that he has a great arm. Remember, he was the #2 before he was injured.

I wasn't implying he's too lazy to compete, I just mentioned it as a possible reason he's not getting the reps. I have a feeling that Mack's new and improved edicts concerning performance over seniority is necessarily affecting every position on the team. Therefore, Harris is either not as good as Chiles, doesn't show the potential to improve beyond what was exhibited prior to his injury, or has some sense of entitlement to the #2 position.

We have tons of "good guys" on the team. What we need are scholarship spots for "great athletes".

I would totally read the Washington Post every single day if I cared at all about helping Dan Steinberg keep his job.

by Bombilla on Mar 27, 2008 10:35 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I did mean...

who is the best passer among the backups.  Like most of you, I am a Colt fan.  I don't think he is the second coming, and I don't think everything he did wrong last year was his fault.  I'm more concerned about what happens to the team if Colt goes down.  Chiles looks as good running as he looks bad passing.  At the end of the day, whoever your QB is must be able to throw the ball.  I think we all know what would happen if we went to Dallas as a one-dimensional team.  The reason I posted the thread was that I had heard good things about Kinne coming in, and then nothing.  What I saw of Chiles throwing was less than encouraging, and Harris seams to have fallen off the map.  I guess getting to see a handful of spring drills doesn't really allow anyone to know what is going on, but thought I would ask.  I think Colt will be running more next year, which raises the possibility of injury and makes the backup situation more important.  If Colt does stay healthy, I see no reason why Texas doesn't continue its ten win streak.

by hooked08 on Mar 26, 2008 11:09 AM CDT   0 recs

Colt

I'm not blaming everything that happened last year on Colt. I will blame the loss to Kansas State on him (horrible). I really hope he gets better and quits making stupid throws. I get nervouse everytime I see him scramble with the ball.

Right now, Colt's resume doesn't look that good to me. He hasn't beat a so-so A&M team, and he is 1-1 against OU. I don't care what records he has, if he doesn't atleast bring home a Big 12 championsip...He is a bust. They have too much talent not win a conference championship, and he is the leader.

by Longhorns84 on Mar 26, 2008 2:19 PM CDT   0 recs

It's a team game

You're right, the Kansas St. game was terrible, and Colt's four interceptions were a big reason for that.  But the 2 special teams touchdowns KSU scored weren't Colt's fault. And he wasn't responsible for making Jordy Nelson look like Roy Williams.

True, he hasn't beaten A&M yet, but he didn't play badly either.  Sam McGee had the game of his life. Sam  McGee.

I doubt Colt will ever be a truly game changing QB.  He just doesn't have the physical gifts of a VY or even a Chris Simms. He does have a brain though, unlike Simms, not to mention a spleen. He needs a dominant running game, and a defense that doesn't let us get behind and force him to win games by himself. Or he needs an offense that lets him use his gifts, accuracy, quick reads, decent college arm and dump the ball quickly.

To me, he looks like one of the Pre Tebow Florida QB's, i.e. Wuerffel or Chris Leek. Will he break records.  Yes, a lot of them.  Will he blow your mind doing it? Probably not. Can we win with him? Definitely.

by learned hand on Mar 26, 2008 2:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Few things.
  1. K State this past year he had a horrible game, you are totally correct on that one.  I have no problem pinning that loss on him.  It was a bad game straight up.
  1. You cannot in all honesty blame him for the aTm losses, come on.
  1. In 2006, prior to the KState game, UT was not only in the running for the Big 12 title, but for a chance to defend their MNC.
  1. I dislike Sooners just as much as the next guy, but realistically, they are a damn good football team, and 1-1 against OU, really is not a bad stat, and the loss this year, had very little to do with Colt.  How much better can you get anyway?  To me he was one Charles fumble, or one gameplan that continues passing to Finley away from a perfect 2-0. Also, pssst, dont tell anyone, Vince was 1-2 against the Sooners, with a complete offensive shutout, and a 52 point loss (I dont think he started in the 52 point loss, but it looks like he took the majority of the snaps, so at best, Vince had the same Sooner record that Colt has now).

I guess Colts record doesn't look as bad to me as it does to you.  Again, lets see what he does this coming year.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Mar 26, 2008 3:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Colt

Colt is more like a Chris Leak(not Tebow). We definitly can win with him, Texas has one of the most talented football teams in the nation. All I'm sayin is SO FAR, I'm un-happy with his play SO FAR. I think if he has a season like last year, its time for a change.

Colt McCoy SO FAR...
0 Big 12 championships
0 BCS games
0 wins against aggies
1-1 against ou
possible passing record coming

Lets fix the first 3 stats, before we praise him for the last one!

by Longhorns84 on Mar 27, 2008 9:39 AM CDT   0 recs

Duely noted.

So far hes been an underclassman, lets see how he closes out his career before you label him as filler is all I am suggesting.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Mar 27, 2008 10:08 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

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