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Thoughts from Houston and Reliant Stadium

Last night was better than I ever could have imagined. Walking into the Reliant Center, it seemed obvious to me that we were in for a battle. Brook and Robin Lopez looked like giants in pre-game warm-ups, the set-up felt very odd for a basketball game, and this was a Sweet 16 game between two of the top ten teams in the country. If you had given me ten guesses as to the outcome, I still probably wouldn’t have predicted a 20 point victory.

I will leave the game analysis to PB but quickly, the only game that the Longhorns played as well as a team as they did last night was in late November against Tennessee. There was no single star last night. Every starter played fantastic basketball and even Dexter Pittman, Gary Johnson, and Clint Chapman all gave the ‘Horns huge contributions from the bench.

A few observations from Houston:
Crowd I just finished reading the open thread, and many of you commented that you couldn’t hear the crowd on television. I also got a text mid-way through the first half that on tv it sounded like an ‘Erwin Center crowd.’ First off the crowd was at least 95% burnt orange. There were two tiny strips of Michigan State and Stanford fans but neither team brought enough people to make any noise. Memphis does have a strong contingent, but they will be nothing compared to the 30k Texas fans on Sunday. Why so quiet? I think it is the set-up. As I sat in my seat behind the basket, the set-up reminded me of the way Memorial Stadium use to feel before they removed the track. There were tons of fans in attendance but none of them were anywhere near the court. The crowd did get more involved in the second half as Stanford cut the lead to just one point, but the home court advantage we were hoping for was largely muted by the stadium set-up. I was in San Antonio in 2003 with the ‘Horns and also attended the regional games last year in San Antonio when A&M was a participant. The Alamodome was easily 10x louder than Reliant was on Friday night.

Court The court is nearly as odd as the stadium. As noted plenty of times, the court is raised about four feet off the stadium floor. Players must use stairs to reach the playing surface for warm-ups or to check in off the bench. All head coaches were provided low stools so that they could sit at the same level as the action. Coach Barnes and Trent Johnson immediately got rid of the stools and coached while standing or squatting for the entire game. In the second game, Coach Izzo stood for most of the game too, while Coach Calipari actually did sit some but was mostly stood during the action. Some also wondered if players would be flying off the court to chase down loose balls. The baselines have buffers of adequate width as well as cameramen and cheerleaders that a player would have to avoid before running off the edge. However, the sidelines are much thinner and both Joey Dorsey and Drew Neitzel did run off the edges as they chased down loose balls. Both ran straight into their own benches, though, and neither was injured.

Note to the NCAA I know that the NCAA has rearranged these football stadiums to allow for the sale of more tickets but after experiencing two games, I don’t think the set-up is in the best interests of the fans, the players, or the coaches. The fans are too far from the action, the players are shooting against a tough backdrop, and the coaches are being asked to coach away from their assistants and from their players. The NCAA says that this type of set-up will be implemented for all upcoming games in football stadiums. I hope they take time to reconsider.

Scalping Tickets I rode the train back from Reliant toward my hotel after the conclusion of the second game. A gentleman dressed in Michigan State green sat down next to me looking pretty tired. A few seconds later a Texas fan came up to him and asked if he could buy his Sunday tickets. The Michigan State fan said, "After a day like today, sure." I laughed a little next to him. The Texas fan, who had obviously already spoken with the MSU fan, mentioned that the man wasn’t upset about the game but about his experience and that he had a story to tell me. The Michigan State man had traveled down from Michigan for the weekend. His son didn’t come with him because he was too sick, so he had a few extra tickets. He was walking around the stadium before the Texas game and was approached by some guys wearing team shirts and hats. They asked him if he had any tickets for sale. After he said yes, they revealed their badges, hauled him to some holding facility, and gave him a ticket for selling items without a permit! The ticket is apparently a misdemeanor and carries at $200 fine. The disgruntled State fan told me that they were bringing in guys by the dozens. He also said that the cops told him that it didn’t matter that there was no transaction. Just communicating that you had extra tickets for sale was enough. One of the guys that got picked up didn’t even say anything to the undercover officers. He was simply walking around with a sign that said, "I have extras." If any of you BONers have extra tickets for Sunday, I strongly recommend you get rid of them today or before you get down to the stadium.

Houston Connection. I think I pointed this in the Rice preview but multiple Longhorns have Houston connections: Dexter Pittman (Rosenburg), Harrison Smith (Houston Jones), Connor Atchley (Clear Lake), Gary Johnson (Houston Aldine) and even DJ Augustin, (Sugar Land via Louisiana). I’m sure it was especially gratifying for these five guys to play well in front of lots of family and friends.

Memphis in the first half I hope you guys didn’t turn off the television at the conclusion of our game. If you did, you missed an incredible and scary first half of basketball by the Memphis Tigers. Memphis could do no wrong on either end of the floor over the first 20 minutes. It was as solid a performance as I’ve seen all year in college basketball. They scored in the post, in transition, off offensive rebounds, and from three. For the half they shot 20-of-30 (67%) from the floor. Considering their offensive rebounds, I bet they didn’t have more than five empty trips all half. Their defense was equally impressive. Michigan State couldn’t get an open look, couldn’t spring Drew Neitzel at all, grabbed just six rebounds all half, and had trouble holding onto the basketball.  The Tigers came back to earth some in the second half, but the first half was an unbelievable display of focus, talent, and athleticism. Memphis vs. Texas is going to be unreal.

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Tourists harrassed

Wow, what a chicken shit thing to do to the visitors to Houston. I guess the cops are counting on out of towner's not contesting the ticket. Can a crime be committed without a transaction?. It can't be a crime to have a sign around your neck no matter what it says.
Any real scalpers wouldn't bother going down to the stadium with few days and e-bay, so the cops are really targeting ticket holders from out of town teams that have lost. What a crummy little piece of sleaze.  

by Xerxes on Mar 29, 2008 10:50 AM CDT   0 recs

I'm also confused by the scalping thing ...

... Isn't scalping where you are charging MORE than face-value for the tickets? I always thought it was perfectly legal to sell tickets at face-value ... after all, you own them and can sell what you own.

If this is true, it's very disturbing.

I refused to name my children Vince, Kevin or Major ... despite my secret desire to do so.

by EddieTheAlbinoSquirrel on Mar 29, 2008 11:07 AM CDT   0 recs

Not sure

what the acutal law says, but the Michigan State guy said he got a ticket for trying to sell something without a permit. He said that it didn't matter what price he was asking.

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by awiggo on Mar 29, 2008 11:13 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It could have something to do...

...with selling on the premises of the event.  I haven't looked up the law on that subject either, but that's the only thing I can think of.

by UTAth on Mar 29, 2008 11:16 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Crowd

I was wondering why the crowd was so quiet too. I don't think it was the set up, because I noticed them get louder in the second half. So, I guess they will have to make it to San Antonio without the help of a home crowd.

If anybody is going to the game Sunday, I would definitly give the fans around you a pep talk.

by Longhorns84 on Mar 29, 2008 11:13 AM CDT   0 recs

I agree

I call bogus on any blame being given to the stadium set-up.  When the fans suddenly realized that it wasn't going to be a cakewalk, they got loud, and you could hear them loud and clear through the tv.  The problem was the fans were quiet and sitting on their hands the entire first half when we had a 5-7 point lead.  If the fans would have been louder and put more pressure on Stanford, we could have opened up the game even more.  Every time we got a defensive stop, or scored a basket to extend the lead i was yelling at the screen for the crowd to get up, and they NEVER did.

 The blame must go entirely to the fans at the game.  It is up to the fans to generate their own energy in NCAA tournament games.  You don't have a pro-Texas public address announcer, you don't have the cheerleaders leading as many cheers, and the band is limited in how often they play.

I heard one chant of Texas-Fight when the game first started and then that was it.  The fans need to generate this on their own without the help of accessories.  I HOPE it is much better for the Memphis game.

by FroggyBaby on Mar 29, 2008 3:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The Crowd

Part of the problem in the first half was that the stadium was still empty when the game started.  It took until 10 minutes in or so for the stands to fill up.

Outside of that, it seemed like the flow of the game killed the noise to some degree.  It felt like everytime something happened and people started to cheer, there was a time out or a foul.  I swear, it felt like 30 seconds of play and then a minute of sitting around.

Either way, no excuse at all.  The fans need to step it up regardless of whether the noise seems to be drowned out by the size of the building.  I'm sure the players and cameras can hear it whether or not we can.

On a side note, apparently this was an issue at the other "new configuration" site.  Despite having even more fans in attendance at Ford Field (57k), "It's also a lousy tournament atmosphere.".

by utcopt on Mar 29, 2008 5:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

scalping

Scalping laws are utter bullshit.  I know this wasn't technically scalping, but it falls under the same realm: regulating resale of tickets.  The city of Houston should be ashamed for shamelessly trapping visitors like this.

by noah on Mar 29, 2008 11:17 AM CDT   0 recs

terrified...

by what I saw from Memphis.  A team for of supersized Damion James who arent scared to punch you in the face.

by UTrumbo on Mar 29, 2008 11:24 AM CDT   0 recs

Quick thoughts:

Stadium thoughts:

  1. The stadium is definitely a non-factor, but I think the crowd has to be somewhat accountable as well. I can remember only two instances of sizeable cheering in the first half: at the 4 min. TO and the wind down the half. There was numerous instances when Memphis fans, all 5% of them, were able to make quite a bit of noise in the first half. Also, I believe the crowd tried to start Texas Fight two or three times, but in ended up dying in sub-committee. That's unacceptable.
  1. Luckily for me, my section had a few students in it. So we were pretty loud, I guess. I'm quite sure no one else could hear us, though.
  1. I have no idea how they're going to open up the entire stadium by 2010/2011. Those end-zone seats are pretty damn far from the court.
  1. $20 for parking at ANY lot? Ludicrous.
  1. There was almost no one in the upper deck. The final attendance announced was ~32k. I wouldn't be surprised if there were less. The field level was pretty packed, but there were many noticeable empty seats in the club level. Somehow, Ford Field sold ~57k to their regional. I'm guessing trying to poach people out of 160 bucks for shit seats had something to do with it, Houston.

Game thoughts:

  1. Great sub job by Barnes. He even gave Augustin and Abrams a minute break each in the first half, something we rarely see. I loved how he was going to all the bigs in the first half. Dex did ok, Wangmene and GJ were beyond mediocre, but Clint Chapman was a pleasant surprise. I actually thought Clint would've been a better option than GJ in the second half, but no problems either way.
  1. It seemed like the bigs struggled mostly with intensity, especially trying to pull down rebounds on the defensive end. The Lopezes and even the Finger were beating all our bigs down low, although to our credit, we picked up the effort with a few key offensive boards (thank you, Chappy!). With the exception of Mason and James, we looked really, really sluggish on the defensive glass.
  1. It's amazing how terrible we are at both a) feeding the entry pass, and b) denying the entry pass. Good thing Dex is as big as both Lopezes put together and Connor knows a thing or two about blocking shots.
  1. The final 3-pt numbers suck, but I think we did a great job running them within our sets. A whole heck of a lot of them rimmed in and out, hitting the rim at least twice. So the shots and execution were good, but they just wouldn't go down the drain. That's good news, as long as they fall in tomorrow. I've got a feeling we're going to need it. One caveat: when you've got a 4 on 2 (or 3 on 2, can't remember), maybe going to a streaking Abrams on the wing isn't the best idea. An easy 2 is better than a  harder 3, boys.
  1. DJ had a couple uncharacteristic TO's (and one shot that was blocked badly), but other than that he played a superb game. Having a great 1 is an amazing advantage over your opposition (see: Drew Neitzel).
  1. Great game by everyone involved. Go Horns!
  1. By the way, the Texas players came back out during the Memphis game and briefly chatted and signed autos with the people in the field level stands. They were pretty popular folks, I'll bet. The Texas band and cheerleaders also came back out to watch the 2nd game. Stanford's guys were nowhere to be found.

Quick Memphis thoughts:

  1. The score was like 12-11 when my girlfriend said that both teams seemed evenly matched, and I said all I hoped for was a close game. The basketball gods weren't listening.
  1. Drew Neitzel laid a bigger egg than Chris Lofton did on Thursday. I mean, he was freaking god-awful. Terrible way to end your career.
  1. I wouldn't want to be on that plane-ride back with Tom Izzo in the morning.
  1. Memphis looked like a completely different team without Derrick Rose on the court (see: point guard comment). Which is bad because his injury was just a cut, so he'll be ready to go (side note: AJ Abrams looked like he hurt his leg sliding into that foul. He was up sitting on the side, though, and I think he wanted to go back in, but obviously we had the game wrapped up. Augustin also slipped on some sweat, after a layup I believe, a few minutes before that. He came up a little gimpy but played it off. I expect both will be fine for tomorrow's action).
  1. I loved the two-man game between Rose and CDR when Mich. St was attempting to play hack-a-Tiger late in the second half. Here's a thought: try fouling the bigs. That one Joey Dorsey FT was nearly as bad as Augustin's air ball.
  1. Memphis has no one as good as Brook Lopez inside, but they've got the athletic bodies to give Texas fits inside. Which is bad, because Memphis has got the shooters that Stanford doesn't. And for the first time all year, Augustin might be going against someone with more pure talent than him. Buckle up, folks, it's gonna be a bumpy ride!
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by jc25 on Mar 29, 2008 12:10 PM CDT   0 recs

I was sent to

the Astrodome jail in 1984 for the same reason. I took my parents to a 'stros game and had an extra ticket with a face value of $25. I sold it to a stranger for $20 and an undercover sheriff's deputy carted me off to the basement to write me up. I didn't get back to my seat until the third inning and my parents had no idea where I was. If I remember correctly, the charge was something like "vending on county property without a permit." I remember my attorney explaining that it had nothing to do with the value, that you could get picked up for selling a pack of gum as well. I am from Austin, and it was legal there at the time, so I had no idea about this until hauled away. There were scores of guys in there with me being "processed", hence the delay.

My attorney somehow got the charges dropped a few weeks later.

What a nice little souvenir for the visitors to our hell-hole of a city!

Harris County and HPD are notorious for their Gestapo tactics. Don't even get me started on license plate frames.

Longhorns don't litter

by horndude on Mar 29, 2008 3:16 PM CDT   0 recs

Houston fans

For the most part have this problem, so I'm not surprised anymore when the crowd is way too quiet than it should be. It was way too similar to the Erwin Center environment. There's just something about our fanbase. Just not enough rowdy people. Maybe too many adults that are either too subdued or don't even know what they're watching. Some football games are like this too. Maybe to them, being too rowdy would be considered immature or "not classy".

Houston fans in general are like this also, so it's no surprise that UT and Houston fans are similar in this manner, seeing that there are a whole bunch of Houstonian Longhorn fans.

When the Astros are playing well, it's loud as hell, but it's also due to the roof being closed. Rockets fans are pathetic. Electric atmosphere when we were on that crazy winning streak, but right when it ended, it went back to a library atmosphere in the following home games. Bunch of damn bandwagon fans.

I have to agree with those that are not blaming the stadium for this. If the stadium really did have this much of an impact, how do you explain that it actually DID get loud on TV on a number of occasions? This is on the fans.

However, I am optimistic that there will be more fans for this game. Don't have to worry about Mich. St./Stanford fans anymore. Plus this game is on the weekend. Expect the atmosphere to be improved, maybe by a lot.

by goingforthecorner on Mar 30, 2008 12:07 AM CDT   0 recs

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