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When enough reader emails come in on topics worth exploring publicly, I'll put a post together for the site. This is one such time. As always, you can email me any time with questions or comments. I'll never use someone's full name in a post unless they explicitly okay it.


My cousin made a great point...if Memphis shot FT's against Tennessee like they did against us, they are 37-0 coming into today's game and getting a lot more respect.

Something I'd like to add...due to their conference schedule, Memphis may be the freshest team in the country.  And with the ease DJ was able to dice up defenses that didn't sag against him, I'm sure our guys thought our offense would work, regardless of how much tape we watched.  The quotes AW posted show the same type of cockiness...to me, here's the key:

I think the fact we had beaten Tennessee/UCLA/Kansas was probably our biggest weakness coming into today's game.  When it mattered, I believe our players thought they could outrun and outgun any team in the country.  The "but they lost to Tennessee" cloud that hung over Memphis probably only added fuel to the fire.

Like my cousin said, if Memphis had beaten Tennessee by 15 points, I think our team takes them a lot more seriously and we see a different game.

--CC--

Lots of excellent points in here. First, I absolutely agree that Memphis' shine wasn't near as bright as it could (should?) have been. And I think it's interesting to wonder whether Texas prepares for this game differently if Memphis enters the Elite Eight undefeated. ESPN was already going bonkers with the undefeated jazz when Memphis played Tennessee; I can only assume the "Can Memphis run the table?" hype would have been off the charts if they'd been 37-0 heading into Sunday.

Perhaps even more interesting is the comment about Texas players apparently thinking that they could - as they had against UCLA, Kansas and Tennessee - "outrun and outgun any team in the country." As recently as Friday night, it was our ability to push the floor that eventually wore Stanford down. To whatever extent that fueled some of our strategic mistakes, it was absolutely relevant on Sunday afternoon.

With all that said, I hesitate to endorse this theory to its fullest extent for one simple reason: Memphis' utter annihilation of Michigan State on Friday night. Whatever ideas I had in my head about Texas' ability to win a track meet were completely and totally vanquished by what I saw the Tigers do on Friday night. And Andrew's live view from Reliant may have had him even more convinced than I that Texas would be in big trouble if it tried to beat Memphis at its own game.

And then think back, too, to Memphis' lone defeat on the season, to Tennessee. The Volunteers played a soft, sagging zone to protect the paint at all costs, essentially daring Memphis to beat them from three point range. Memphis hit just 8 of 27 three pointers, and the Vols survived. Add it all up and all the pregame chatter around here was centered on us not trying to Out-Memphis Memphis.

Which of course we tried to do. We inexplicably opened in man-to-man defense, we crashed the offensive boards, let Derrick Rose work the open floor, and comfortably assisted their dribble drive motion offense. Why?

Maybe you're right... maybe our big wins this season had convinced us we could.

You and PB both said something close to this:

Texas did eventually go to a 2-3 zone, play at a more deliberate pace, and really protected the ball well in the second half, but against a team as good as Memphis, it was too late.

With 18 minutes left it was a 5 point game and the Box and 1 that UT was playing was giving Memphis trouble, it took them 5 minutes to go from 39 to 46 points.  The problem was that we could not make our shots on offense.  

AJ and Connor are both good shooters and support players, but against a team as good as Memphis, they really can't create their own shots.

Both Mason and James have the potential to be able to create their own shots against teams this good, but are still too raw.

The only way we beat Memphis is if DJ starts breaking down the defense and making his fade aways and drives.  If that had happened, it would have opened up the offense for AJ, Connor, James and Mason, because their defenders have to start helping on DJ.  But DJ could not figure out how to beat what Memphis was doing and that was it.

I think that coming out trying to run with Memphis probably hurt us, but I don't think the game was over because of it.

--Wells--

That's actually a comment on the site, not an email, but Wells makes an excellent point that's worth discussing. And, I think, is a perfect follow up to the discussion above.

As backwards as I thought Rick's strategy was to open the game, adjustments did follow. And Memphis still controlled the Longhorns the rest of the way. Though I do think the poor start was fatal in its own way, what we saw from Memphis throughout the game was an ability to handle Texas in a variety of forms.

Even as Texas slowed Memphis from scoring at will, the struggles on offense for Texas continued. Like Kansas State and USC last season, Texas' two most important scorers (DJ and AJ) were severely disrupted by long, super-quick guards. With no real post presence to speak of, our fate rested on Augustin being able to break down Memphis with penetration. And Wells is right - that just never happened.

One more email, again from CC:

Something you missed was the team walking off the court while The Eyes Of Texas was playing.

If the thousands of fans can stay through a thunderous ass-whipping for TEOT, the players can spend an extra 90 seconds to let the fans officially give them a send-off for the season...

--CC--

Yikes. I definitely didn't know the team missed The Eyes, and I'm with you all the way: totally unacceptable. Everyone was bitterly disappointed yesterday, but 25,000 fans came out in burnt orange to support the team on Sunday. This may be more disappointing than the loss itself.

--PB--

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thunderous ass-whipping

for some reason, that made me laugh

nice wordplay, CC

by Beergut on Mar 31, 2008 12:43 PM CDT   0 recs

Quick thoughts:

I was shocked at how ill-prepared Augustin, Abrams, and Damion looked in the first half.

Oh god, yes.

If you're wondering what limitations DJ Augustin might have as a professional, today was your window into the future.

I saw it too, and opined it in an earlier comment about how he would finally be going up against someone with more pure talent than him in Derrick Rose. Not only is Rose more talented, but he's also substantially bigger. And that will DEFINITELY be a problem for DJ at the next level. Of course, it becomes plenty difficult for him to improve this until he gets to the NBA, because he simply won't be going up against that kind of talent night after night playing in the Big XII. I'd like to see Augustin come back, but there's no reason for him to do so.

Only one player - Justin Mason - came out playing with the kind of athletic purpose you need to attack Memphis.

Let's give some credit to Gary Johnson for playing an athletic, aggressive second half as well.

It's easy to look at Texas' 9-28 shooting day from three point range and conclude that we just had an off day with our stroke, but that would be too charitable.

It might be too charitable, but also completely true. The three-pointers Texas missed against Stanford were good looks that rimmed out; the three-pointers Texas missed against Memphis, even when not closely guarded, were nowhere close to going down. It was a bad, bad shooting day for Texas.

Finally, let's just give Memphis some serious credit for their performance today.

Agreed. When even Joey Dorsey makes his FT, you know things are going right.

The big question left for Texas is: what of DJ and DJ? Will either (or both) turn pro?

I gave my thoughts on Augustin above, but I don't think James declare. For one, Chad Ford has him nowehere to be found on his top 100 board, nor was he listed anywhere on Chad's "prospects to watch" in the regional breakouts he recently wrote. In fact, I'm not sure anyone but BON and Fran Fraschilla are even aware of Damion's pro potential. Second, I think with Augustin gone, James really has a chance to showcase himself as a star player. Sure, he could declare now and hope for a second-round flyer or a free-agent nibble, but he's got the potential to be a star and play himself into the first round. Augustin's already as high as he can go; James is not.

Tyreke Evans is still deciding between Texas and Memphis. Damnit.

The ironing is delicious.

My adopted kid is pure genius at the Black-Scholes Option Pricing Model.

by jc25 on Mar 31, 2008 1:22 PM CDT   0 recs

Really?

The ironing is delicious.

Is it really?  Do you own a cleaners?  And if so how is it delicious?

It's a Horns' world. Even Aggies play hoops with a burnt orange ball.

by Speedway on Mar 31, 2008 1:29 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Re:

All's I know is I'm getting straight A's, and that ain't not bad!

My adopted kid is pure genius at the Black-Scholes Option Pricing Model.

by jc25 on Mar 31, 2008 2:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

But you do have a weird sense of juxtaposition.

Re: DJ AA and SS porn games. Even bz would think twice about that one.

by whills on Mar 31, 2008 2:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Re:

Ok, so they were Simpsons quotes, but I don't think anyone got it. It's ok, when I drop the line in real life, no one understands it either. I think it's hilarious.

Admittedly, joining basketball with SS porn was a stretch, but for those disinclined to check ESPN, I thought it was worth bringing up the link. If the WWL can join both worlds, I figure I could do the same for the BON community.

My adopted kid is pure genius at the Black-Scholes Option Pricing Model.

by jc25 on Mar 31, 2008 3:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

On a more serious note

I really had doubts that TJ could make it in the pros, but I was proven wrong.

So, I do think DJ can make in a position where there is real need, but he will need to employ every trick in the book. Another year at Texas will amplify his skills in that regard.

I think it's a 50-50 break at this point. I don't think he can be stampeded into going, though. Both his intelligence and his family give him some reasonable cushioning.

And there is also KD's experience: if you don't go to a team with a good surrounding cast, the money is sort of a hollow victory on the pro basketball court. You may be a star in the big spotlight but your team is a big time loser and will be for several years.

So, DJ's real choice is to play another year for an elite team and have a legitimate shot at a title or go play in the shadows and count your nickels, to become a legend in your [adopted] home state if you do get within proximity of a title or become another millionaire beating the courts in a losing cause. DJ can choose to be a success wherever he is.  

by whills on Mar 31, 2008 1:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Early outs

I want to get what your opinions on players leaving early for the NBA are?

You lost Durant(great-player) in one year, now you might lose a couple of young guys again to go pro.

It seems like there are no longer going to be those 4-3 year 'teams' that everybody wants to see.  Basically all-stars for a year or 2 supported by fillers.

by Jackass04 on Mar 31, 2008 2:45 PM CDT   0 recs

Leaving Early

I have no problem with kids leaving early.  That's the nature of the beast and I can live with it.  

If you have the opportunity to leave early, you take it.  With BBall it's crtical that you're a first round pick, b/c that way you know you'll have 3 years to develope before they drop you.  The success rate of guys picked in round 2 are low.  Just look at how much CJ Miles cost himself by not going to UT for one year.  
Same is true for FB.  Limas Sweed, my favorite player, should have jumped last year.  With his 4.44 he would have been picked ahead of Dwayne Bowe for sure, and maybe even before Ted Ginn.  

by DogTown on Apr 1, 2008 8:25 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

With regards to "The Eyes"...

Yes, it would have been nice for the team to stay and sing "The Eyes of Texas" with the fans.  However, it would also have been nice if 75% of the Texas fans didn't leave before the end of the game.  Perhaps everyone on this site is a loyal fan who would stay through the entire game no matter the outcome.  Nonetheless, the majority of Texas fans simply suck.  Don't stand, don't cheer and leave early is the motto of most fans.  It pisses me off to no end to watch fans get up and leave with 6 minutes to go in regulation.

by Misterserious7 on Mar 31, 2008 2:56 PM CDT   0 recs

agreed

I thought the 'homecourt advantage' was a total f'n joke yesterday. I don't want to hear about the set up of the stadium either. I saw far too many fans on their asses for basically the entire game.

During the Davidson Kansas game, the Davidson fans and the Kansas fans at separate moments both made their presence felt FAR more than the TExas fans. I was totally wrong about thinking the place would be rocking.

Very disappointing.

by Blitzburgh on Mar 31, 2008 4:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The Eyes

In a 'neutral ground' tournament setting, it is against NCAA rules for school songs to be played after the game while players from the opposing team are still on the court.

Unlike the NCAA volleyball tournament that is hosted at school sites, you can't simply let the other team head to the locker room, then play the school song. When the game is played at a truly neutral building, both teams exit quickly, then both teams bands play the school songs.

The fact that the players didn't stick around doesn't seem like a slap in the face to the fans, not to me anyway. (That said, I do think that basketball players are notoriously less appreciative of the fans that support them. It is very probable that that isn't the case, I've just never had a basketball player come up to me and thank me for coming while I have had football, volleyball, tennis players and coaches alike take the time to do that.)

Ryan Bailey is my hero, and also my child.

by Bdub on Mar 31, 2008 4:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Leaving Early.

I wanted to leave early, but my buddy and I knew we had to stay for the Eyes of Texas. I have to admit to be being most disappointed that the team left as the band was just getting it going. Looked like they were running off with their tails between their legs.

That said, I'm very excited about our team still. There is a lot to look forward to, and I for one am becoming a huge Justin Mason fan. That guy played hard and tried to create when others seemed content to take a jump shot. He gave it his all and fouled out first. He received a well deserved standing ovation when he was forced out. That's not to say the rest of the team didn't play hard either, they all tried. Memphis was just a better team.  

"Like I said, I'm going to bleed orange until the day I die." -V.Y.

by 4th and 5 on Mar 31, 2008 2:57 PM CDT   0 recs

Justin Mason
has been my favorite player all year.  I started watching him last year and with all the KD hype he didnt stand out.  This season he proved himself to be a valuable asset to the team.  He has more heart and "get up and go" than most players we see today.  I can't wait till next season.
I'm gonna adopt me a basketball player.. J-Mase be his name... OU SUCKS!!

by LadyLonghorninOK on Mar 31, 2008 3:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

DJ is a great player but..

I really do hope he comes back to improve his game. He showed the scouts that he might not be a great point guard in the next level.

He seemed really selfish yesterday in terms of ball handling. There were at least 5 opportunities where he could lobbed the ball to his teammates for easy dunks, instead he forced up layup that were denied by dosier.

I love his swagger and smooth shooting as well as his defense (which people tend to overlook). But I think Mason does a better job dishing out to the low post players after dribble penetrating. Augustin is a great finisher, but as a passer I think there is a plenty of room he can work on.

Memphis crowded him with tall lanky defenders and denied him easy looks to the basket. DJ should have seen it coming and dished dimes off to the low post.

my first born shall be named vy

by hookemkp on Mar 31, 2008 4:22 PM CDT   0 recs

DJ and difficulties in the NBA

Sorry, but I'm not seeing it. Maybe I'm being a homer, but I look at 6'2" Tony Parker (same weight as DJ), Devin Harris, Chris Paul, Allen Iverson, etc. and I see small guards that are doing quite well because of their speed. DJ has this speed and is a great midrange shooter. He has great handles and doesn't turn the ball over frequently.

Some people say his passing is suspect, but I would also say that the talent around him may have something to do with that. If DJ was the starting PG on Memphis or UNC or KU, something tells me his passing would be a lot better. He was forced to be a PG/SG hybrid this year.

by goingforthecorner on Mar 31, 2008 4:52 PM CDT   0 recs

Speed vs quickness

Even if DJ can run the court as fast as these other guards, he lacks their quickness. These guys all have explosive first steps and the ability to change direction without slowing. They also have pro range on their 3s.

As to passing, though we do not have a tall front line, there have been times when we did have a height advantage (eg Baylor) and DJ still did not get the ball inside.

Don't get me wrong, he is very good at what he does and he is fun to watch. I'm just saying that at this point his skills are not a good match for the pro game.

by Caradoc on Apr 1, 2008 1:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Out Coached Again

I am sorry to have to say this but anyone who watched the game today could tell that Coach Barnes was tottally out Coached today and did not prepare the team very well at all, his in game adjustments were slow and behind. D.J. should really stay another year because his weaknesses were seen by all. I think that he does only need 1 more year because of the strides that he made from last year to this year and if he can do that again this off-season and next year he will be a top 10 draft pick. I am very proud of the way that the team played this year Please don't get me wrong but there is still alot of work to be done and I think alot of it needs to be done by Barnes and the way that he prepares the team to the way he manages the game. Well on to baseball and the long boring summer.

Hook'em

Hook'em Horns

by champs2005 on Mar 31, 2008 10:14 PM CDT   0 recs

In defense of Barnes

Outcoached, again?  I'll grant you, this was not his best prep job (not even close) but as Wells says, despite Memphis coming out on fire, it is a 5-point game with about 18 minuyes left.  In my opinion, the loss came down to 3 things:
1 - Memphis was better.  They are a supremely athletic and gifted team.  They shot well, they played good defense, etc, etc
2 - We did not shoot well.  Some of that was due to Memphis' defense, but shots that usually fall for us were not.
3 - Officiating.  I'm NOT blaming the refs for the loss, just stating that they let the kids play.  It seems to me that we struggled this year with team that were allowed to be physical with us (Michigan St., a&m at collie town), especially on the perimeter.  Fairly early on, I remarked to friends that if Memphis was allowed to bump DJ on the perimeter as he tried to get around their guards, it was going to be a long day.  If the game was called tighter, DJ would have been able to drive more effectively.

It wasn't Barnes' best coaching job, but I don't think you can place it all in his lap either.  I have every faith that we'll be back.  The one thing Barnes has proven best at is developing role-players, so I'm expecting Mason, Pittman, Chapman, etc to come back improved next year.  Hopefully DJ will return as well, but I wouldn't bet on it.  If he does, look out!

by SaintBevo on Mar 31, 2008 10:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

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