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When enough reader emails come in on topics worth exploring publicly, I'll put a post together for the site. This is one such time. As always, you can email me any time with questions or comments. I'll never use someone's full name in a post unless they explicitly okay it.

--ED--
For starters, I totally misread how strong a player LSU could/would be in this thing, but once Shepard visited, he locked in on the Tigers as his #1 school, committing soon thereafter. I don't have any kind of inside information as to how all this played out, but it certainly looks like Mack Brown was just honest with Shepard in saying that he wouldn't be guaranteed anything at quarterback with Texas. Whether Mack said he'd have a fair shot to compete for the job is somewhat disputed, but at least two people who follow this closely have told me they think Shepard was told he'd get a chance to compete, but nothing more.
If that's true, then it looks like Shepard either wanted more than that or looked at our depth chart and didn't like his chances. Of course, LSU does have Jarrett Lee, a solid four-star prospect in his own right, but it might be that Shepard became convinced that his chances of winning the job over Garrett Gilbert were remote.
Whatever the case, I'm glad Shepard's not headed to a fellow Big 12 school, but I am a little worried about any coattail effect that might lure other top Texas kids east to Baton Rouge. For example, does Jamarkus McFarland follow suit? No way to know right now, but it's worth watching. LSU's got plenty of momentum from the national championship; now they've got Russell Shepard, as well.



--KT--
I do indeed love Russell Shepard, and I wish there'd been a way to grab both he and Garrett Gilbert. The big thing for me is that the Texas offense under Greg Davis has been at its best with a mobile, home run-threat rusher behind center. Our pro-style offenses of Applewhite and Simms were certainly good, but far from great. Our offense under McCoy has been inconsistent. (What would you call the McCoy offense, by the way? A hybrid spread attack with two sides of scramble?)
Since Shepard's out, though... I do like Garrett Gilbert and think we can build a successful offense around him. Instead of a rush-based spread option attack, though, we'd be wise to look at implementing something like what Missouri's been running with Chase Daniel - it's not difficult to imagine Gilbert running that offense to perfection. Beyond mere scheme, this also means Texas needs more gamebreaking playmakers at skill positions - an offense like that requires a Jeremy Maclin to be at its best. Guys like DeSean Hales and Fozzy Whittaker need to develop into big time playmakers.



--WW--
The latest reports have Evans choosing between Memphis and Texas, with Louisville and Villanova a distant third. I haven't the slightest idea how to handicap the race between the Tigers and 'Horns, though my gut feeling is that this is Memphis' race to lose.
Also of note is Gerry Hamilton's report ($) that 2008 prospect Wesley Witherspoon is making his official visit this weekend during the Oklahoma State game. Joining him will be the #1 prospect in the 2009 class, Renardo Sidney.
LONGHORN BASKETBALL FANS PLEASE NOTE: The University will be going on Spring Break after this week's classes, which could make for an incredibly empty Drum this Sunday when these critical recruits visit campus. A few things you can do to help:
- Go to the freaking game. If you can go? Go. Even if you prefer watching the hoops on TV - go to this game.
- Tell everyone you know to go to the game. Bribe, if necessary.
- Make signs for these recruits. Start chants. Do the "We are not worthy!" bow. If you bring your girlfriend, have her beg for an autograph on her chest. Just do something drastic to make these kids feel like they're desperately wanted.
One other thing I'm thinking about with hoops recruiting right now: we need a point guard, ASAP. Assuming DJ turns pro after this year, we're in a tough situation heading into 2008-09. I talked to a pro scout last summer who had wonderful things to say about Dogus Balbay, but after missing all this season to knee injury, he'll be brand new. Beyond Balbay, will we be in a position where we're playing a guard better suited for the wing at PG? Remember, as good as the 2005-06 team was, we were definitely hurt by trying to use Gibson as our point guard. And Rick Barnes' best teams at Texas have come with elite point guards running the show. Just something to keep in mind as we look ahead to the big name recruits for 2009.
One player to keep an eye on is the nation's top-rated point guard in the '09 class, John Wall of Raleigh, NC. Given his location in ACC country, it may be a long shot, but he hasn't narrowed his list down to anything meaningful yet. And don't forget, Kevin Durant came from Maryland.



So who you got?
--PD--
Great question, Paul. For the sake of this argument, we'll go along with your assertion that Augie's out, though I think you can make a solid case for him if you want to. But let's limit it to Rick Barnes and Mack Brown.
First, the essentials: Mack just completed his tenth season at Texas, amassing a 103-25 (80%) record overall, 65-15 (81%) in Big 12 play. He has one conference championship and one national championship - both in 2005. Rick is in the middle of his tenth season at Texas, going 241-91 (73%) overall, 119-40 (75%) in Big 12 play. He has won two conference championships at Texas (1998-99 and 2005-06) and can win a third on Sunday with a win over Oklahoma State. He's reached the Final Four once (2003-04) and the Elite Eight once (2005-06).
Now, to the nitty-gritty:
RECRUITING - As a whole, this category is as tough as any to call because both guys are doing it so well. For his part, Mack's built an unrivaled system within the state of Texas that's effectively changed the face of college football recruiting in Texas. Barnes has done damn well within the state himself (Johnson, Augustin, Aldridge, Gibson, Ford, to name a few), but he's done more to establish Texas on the national recruiting scene than has Brown. To wit: both coaches have landed arguably the best player in the history of their sport - VY for Mack and KD for Barnes. But I'm tempted to give Barnes more credit here, as Durant was stolen from ACC country while Vince Young is from Houston. Though Mack Brown is far from irrelevant on the national recruiting scene, what Barnes has done is nothing short of remarkable. Especially given the program he inherited. EDGE: RICK BARNES
CHAMPIONSHIPS - There's sometimes relative disappointment about Mack Brown's performance in Austin because he's only won one conference championship, and there's relative appreciation of what Rick Barnes has done because of the state of Texas basketball prior to his arrival. Though Rick Barnes can close the gap this Sunday by picking up his third Big 12 championship, there's no substitute for a national championship, and Mack Brown delivered that to Austin. That's what we live for, and that game on January 4, 2006 was the best sports moment of my life. Far, far greater than the exhilarating thrill of watching Texas win the South Regional in 2004. EDGE: MACK BROWN
PLAYER DEVELOPMENT - This one's not even close. Consider, for starters, the difference between "Pack On The Pounds" Mad Dog and Todd Wright. While Texas' football weight program is questionable, at best, the work Todd Wright does is simply phenomenal. Look, too, at the job Rick Barnes has done with guys like Kenton Paulino and Connor Atchley - both of whom were awful as freshmen - and there's no competition. EDGE: RICK BARNES
DEGREE OF DIFFICULTY - We have to say something about the differing atmospheres in which these two men compete. Though I'm not sure winning a national title in basketball isn't the harder of the two, the competitiveness and degree of difficulty in college football is tougher on a game-by-game basis. Throw in the expectations of the Texas football fanbase versus the Texas basketball fanbase, and this one's not even close. EDGE: MACK BROWN
PUBLIC/ALUMNI RELATIONS - On the one hand, Rick Barnes is a stud. I love his candor, the way he interacts with the media, and the job he's done making Texas basketball relevant once again. On the other hand, Mack Brown has built the ever-expanding beast that is Texas football. I might rather have a beer with Rick Barnes than Mack Brown, but there's no denying what a popular politician Mack Brown has become. The man could run for governor. EDGE: MACK BROWN
STAFF - Forget Rick Barnes' outstanding staff. I'm dinging Mack Brown points for Greg Davis and Mad Dog that he can't make up with his excellent hires. EDGE: RICK BARNES
PROGRAM GROWTH - I don't think Mack Brown gets enough credit for resuscitating the Texas program and rebuilding it to its present level. These days we take our perennial Top 10 status for granted, so much so that we forget the (often lamentable) 30 years in between national championships. With that said, Texas basketball was never more than a blip on the radar until Rick Barnes came to town. The big knock on coming to coach at Texas was that it could never be a basketball school because of how much the fans adore football. Well, the fans have been a bit slow to come around, but the results are there. Texas basketball is one of the Top 10 programs in the entire country. EDGE: RICK BARNES
CONCLUSION - This is one of those terrific problems to have:
[SCENE: Two fans waiting for their drinks at a crowded bar.]
Fan 1: Saw you havin' a heated argument with your t-sip friend over thar. Whatchy'all arguin 'bout?
Fan 2: We can't decide whether our Top 10 basketball coach or Top 10 football coach is better.
Fan 1: Saw 'em both off!
Fan 2: [peering in closely] Are you retarded?
Who's the "better" coach? If we're being scientific, there's no way to say for sure - the sports are different and the context is different. For me, I really, really, really want to say Rick Barnes. He's probably my favorite coach at Texas. And if he delivers a national title to Texas, I will.
For now, though, the nod goes to Mack Brown. For 2005. That's what we live for, and that's what he gave us.
Like I said - what a great problem to have.
--PB--
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He should really just change his name
for Peter's sake.
by Wells on
Mar 5, 2008 9:14 AM CST
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I'll go with Rick because
No quips with the reasons you stated, but in my opinion, there have been far too many games where superhuman efforts from individual players have bailed out Texas. Jamal Charles on multiple occasions this year and of course VY at least 5 times in his two year run. Take away just two of those games and we're looking at perhaps zero championships, conference or national. Of course, those count though, so kudos to Mack and the staff. But, to me, it was obvious they were outcoached and less prepared than their opponents in all those miracle comebacks.
I also look at Rick's record vs. Texas opponents. is there any reason Texas inherently should be so much more dominant over Bob Knight and Tech? GA Tech lords over Georgia in basketball, so I don't think its just a resources or bigger school thing. It's just remarkable that Barnes hasn't even let a rivalry brew in this state.
Mack's great, Rick's been better with less.
by Blitzburgh on Mar 5, 2008 9:19 AM CST 0 recs
There are a lot of reasons
Texas inherently should be better than Tech.
Location, Facilities, National Exposure, Not having to live in the Panhandle....
by Wells on
Mar 5, 2008 9:29 AM CST
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I have to agree ...
... for a few reasons. Most has to do with player development and relationships. Clearly, Rick has been personally and one-on-one responsible for the development of so many good players. This extends to the court, the classroom, AND their personal lives and behavior.
Also, the more with less concept holds a lot of water with me.
Finally, Rick wins almost every game he's supposed to, plus some that he really shouldn't. I get frustrated with Mack's losses to teams that are clearly inferior.
It's undeniable, though, that this is like choosing between the chocolate mousse cake or the tiramisu. Both are awesome coaches, but I give Rick the edge. If he can take it all (hopefully this year), he'll be the undisputed champion in my book.
by EddieTheAlbinoSquirrel on
Mar 5, 2008 9:31 AM CST
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What happened at Tech then?
The argument that Mack loses more games he "should not" just does not hold water to me. I looked at this last year and Mack, when compared to Stoops, Carrol and Tressel, wins a higher percentage of games against opponents that are ranked lower than any of these coaches. I think for Carrol this might be skewed because he is pretty much alway ranked above the team he is playing, but in general Mack is as good if not better than the leading coaches at beating lesser teams.
by Wells on
Mar 5, 2008 9:48 AM CST
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I Smell
...a good thread emerging, here.
I don't think Mack is a "coach", per se. I, and I'll be willing to bet many others look at him like a CEO. He's more like Eisenhower to Muschamp's "BOOM MUTHAFUCKA" Patton or GD's Neville Chamberlain.
Mack is about getting the pieces together and working through his staff to achieve an objective. I don't think Mack has anything significant to do with the minutia of game day.
Thoughts?
by Bombilla on
Mar 5, 2008 9:55 AM CST
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Georgia Difference
There's also the fact that Georgia Tech is in the ACC, a decidely basketball-first conference, whereas Georgia is in the SEC--obviously a football-first conference.
by 40AS on
Mar 5, 2008 11:19 AM CST
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ahem...
cough Florida, 2007 cough
by Bombilla on
Mar 5, 2008 11:45 AM CST
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Not a fan of comparing our coaches
People have football memories seared into their brain while tend to forget even the most recent basketball games.
I guess this comes from losses not being "as bad" in basketball, but when you add them up (especially for this year with this team) we've had some losses that make you scratch your head.
I'd much rather have otherworldy performances in football bail us out than losses to second rate basketball teams such as mizzou, tech and a&m (technically not a 2nd rate team, but that loss was awful).
Fortunately, tourney time heals all wounds in basketball. Maybe football can get to a similar format.
by the other Andrew on Mar 5, 2008 9:31 AM CST 0 recs
Hilarious
Make signs for these recruits. Start chants. Do the "We are not worthy!" bow. If you bring your girlfriend, have her beg for an autograph on her chest. Just do something drastic to make these kids feel like they're desperately wanted.
Freekin' hilarious, PB.
However, I don't see how this could be construed as an act of desperation. I'm sure that BONers taking your suggestion to heart will all have girlfriends that won't have to beg for the autograph.
by Bombilla on Mar 5, 2008 9:32 AM CST 0 recs
Recruiting
Many will not agree due to hindsight, but landing Chris Simms was as big as landing Durant. Both were the #1 players in the country and both were from places nowhere near Texas. Simms wasn't exactly in the heart of a football rich area (thank God Rutgers wasn't a powerhouse back then), but we did steal him from the school that had just graduated Peyton Manning and had a recent national championship.
by Horncasting on Mar 5, 2008 9:50 AM CST 0 recs
I think
Horncasting is referring to #1 coming out of high school.
by Bombilla on
Mar 5, 2008 10:05 AM CST
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still the same
oden was #1, durant #2 coming out of HS.
by billyzane on
Mar 5, 2008 11:18 AM CST
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Hunh...
I thought that Oden was a sophomore when he went to the NBA (while Durant was a frosh).
by Bombilla on
Mar 5, 2008 11:57 AM CST
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Durant and Oden came out of HS the same year...
I had thought Durant was ranked higher, but either way the point was really about Simms being as important as Durant.
Other than keeping Ricky around, the buzz around Simms signing was one of the huge turning points in the program.
by Horncasting on
Mar 5, 2008 2:20 PM CST
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I always thought that the best coach at Texas is
Eddie Reese, hands down
by yao0815 on Mar 5, 2008 10:48 AM CST 0 recs
ESPN Tournament Challenge OPEN..
PB- going to create a group for BON?
We could be the first private group established. Momentum.......
Get on it.
by 512 on Mar 5, 2008 10:50 AM CST 0 recs
All of this factual mumbo-jumbo aside...
Who doesn't just flat out like Rick Barnes more than Mack Brown? Anyone? I picture Rick as this hardass that gets to work before anyone else and is sitting at his desk doing something really important when you walk by his open door and glance in. Just before you're out of view, he looks up and you see three things:
1.) Recognition
2.) Check the Clock
3.) Hatred in it's purest form.
Then you go sit at your desk and think about what you've done with your life and come to work the next day 10 minutes earlier, just to find him giving you the same look. This continues until one day, you show up pre-dawn and catch him in the parking lot. You race to get to the door first and open it for him and as he walks in, he smiles and says "What the hell are you doin' up this early? Don't you know you'll catch a cold?" or some nonsense, but you just feel like you've accomplished something.
I think of Mack Brown as the dude who's been working there longer than anyone. He's pushy in a jolly sort of way, asking you nicely if you'll do something for him that you really don't have to do, and then quickly leaving with a smile and a comment about something non-related before you can say no. He's even played the "grandpa" role to the upper management, and is therefore infallible. You've seen people get their ass canned for being late with a report, or running an unproductive department, but it seems like everyone's always waiting on him to get meetings started, and his department is full of lovable, but otherwise useless, hangers-on that often show up to work on a Friday for three hours wearing waders and carrying a damned fishing pole, then leave by noon. (I'm talking to you Greg Davis and Mad Dog...) Basically, you see his whole department as a backwards, inefficient, waste of office space, but you know not to do anything about it because if he doesn't like you, you'd better have your resume handy.
Just my thoughts. I know people are all impressed by Mack hiring the Major and Muschamp, but if he was really interested in running a tight ship, wouldn't GD be doing a lot more fishing? As in, less coaching?
by Horn Brain on Mar 5, 2008 10:52 AM CST 0 recs
Likability
The perfect way to decide who is a better coach.
by Wells on
Mar 5, 2008 11:01 AM CST
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What?
You're kidding me, right? Everybody knows that shoe size determines the better coach. Sheeeesh...idiot!
by Bombilla on
Mar 5, 2008 11:10 AM CST
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Geez, Wells
Didn't "all this factual mumbo-jumbo aside" light up your sarcasm-dar like a Christmas tree?
by Horn Brain on
Mar 5, 2008 11:11 AM CST
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Or at least...
Your not-entirely-serious-dar?
by Horn Brain on
Mar 5, 2008 11:13 AM CST
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Once again
my attempts at internet sarcasm goes down in flames.
by Wells on
Mar 5, 2008 11:49 AM CST
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Maybe this would help next time?
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by horndude on
Mar 5, 2008 12:02 PM CST
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MMmmmmrrrrrrrrrooooooooooooowwwwww....
.... PPPPBBPBPBBSHSHSSHGGHSPHGPSHPGH!
That was a B-17. I can do a B-52 if you want, but I figured you'd be up for the old school.
by Horn Brain on
Mar 5, 2008 12:15 PM CST
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Texas BB
What RB's has done with Texas basketball is equal to each of getting together, building a rocket ship, and going to the moon.
The comical thing is that many would argue amongst the fanbase, that Penders was the better coach over Barnes. That seems to have been eliminated.
What you referenced on the staff is so true. The fact that Mack hired a stud DC (again) and Major were nice. In Major's case I think a splash equal to WM would have been Multazain (sp) from Tulsa. In addition, keeping Davis the designer of game plans last season against, anyone early, K-State, and even Nebraska, the 3 point first half on-slaught at aggie, plus the fact that Mad Dog, and Bruce Chambers are still on staff leave much to be desired.
I ask again, name the offensive playmakers for 2008 in football? Has Brown ever won anything without overwhelming talent? Now consider what Barnes did last season with a completely new line-up? This year with the loss of the player of the year?
by thirtyand0 on Mar 5, 2008 11:10 AM CST 0 recs
overwhelming talent
aside from his first year, the same can be said for Rick.
by the other Andrew on
Mar 5, 2008 11:48 AM CST
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Player Development and More out of Less
To me, those are the two areas by which you can really judge a coach. On player development, Rick wins this hands down and it's not even close.
On getting more out of less, Rick takes this one in a much closer contest. While both the football and basketball teams are loaded with talent, Mack consistenly has reloaded with top 10, if not top 5, classes. Rick has gotten some superstars to be sure but has also won with role players and not just with McDonald's All Americans.
Its very close but Rick get my vote.
by awiggo on Mar 5, 2008 9:19 PM CST 0 recs










