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Assessing the Lonestar Showdown (Or Why Baseball Matters)

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We'll get to a baseball review of KSU tomorrow (hint: Texas took 2 of 3), but before doing that we wanted to give you some startling information.

Texas is losing the Lone Star Showdown. In case you don't know/care, the Lone Star Showdown was put into place in 2004 to gauge Texas domination over Aggy. Texas won the first two years handily and last year by 2 points.

This year Texas finds itself in a terrible hole, down 7.5 to 8 with just 3 points left in play. A&M has used 6 points from women's sports to build its lead, and is likely going to take the second softball meeting and split outdoor track and field with Texas.

That'll put us at 8.5 to 9.5 with only one sport to play: baseball. Hopefully one of the remaining non-baseball sports can surprise us, but if not then our only hope of retaining this meaningless award may be Augie Garrido and Chance Ruffin.

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the question is

if the aggies win the lone star showdown (still a large if), will horns everywhere accept a year of aggie sports over horn sports or will they insult the system and claim other facts that twist to their favor.
Like last year, the horns won the points, but most aggies would consider it a victory simply because they won the football game.
Now, no one is saying that aggie sports will have reached UT status if they win or that A&M is now ahead of the UT programs (actually, I bet a bunch of dumbass aggies will say that) but, I wouldn’t. A year is a year. But how will horns view it? Excuses? or defeat? or possibly with hope for revenge. Interesting…

by carsondude on Apr 28, 2008 9:07 PM CDT   0 recs

I just think it's fail...

This isn’t A&M turning a corner and overtaking Texas by any means (ask Nike). This is simply A&M starting to become relevant again, coupled with (hopefully) a temporary lapse in Texas’ dominance. Hopefully we do end up tied or better and get back to beating them down next year when we quit handing them the only damned point that they care about every year on Thanksgiving, if only because it keeps any stink being made of all this.

I guess what I’m trying to say is, A&M is winning more of these “points” from both their improvement (some of their women’s sports programs for example are getting really good) and our lapses (Football, football, football, oh, and maybe baseball). One of those “you’re both right” arguments that just happens to be made before either argument.

--Horn Brain--

by Horn Brain on Apr 28, 2008 9:18 PM CDT   0 recs

football needs to pull some weight

i can’t believe we’ve lost two consecutive games to a moribund a&m football program.

by DrunkArmadillo on Apr 28, 2008 11:03 PM CDT   1 recs

Seriously

Absolutely disgusting.

--PB--

by PB @ BON on Apr 28, 2008 11:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

it's stupid but I give a shit

I follow this showdown stuff in hopes we win, NOT to prove superiority (that’s a given) but to ensure that aggy won’t have anything to boast about. I pray we win the baseball matchup, but if we don’t .. well, we know the truth, don’t we?

by NYCHorn on Apr 28, 2008 11:06 PM CDT   0 recs

Doesn't really affect me

Other than having to hear aggie boast about it if they win like it’s some nationally recognized achievement (they probably think it is).

I think it’s clear that A&M has better women’s programs right now, but they will never have better men’s programs than Texas, and overall, Texas will always be considered by the rest of the world to be superior to A&M. That’s all that matters to me. I couldn’t possibly care any less about what the aggies think. They already think they have better sports programs. Winning or losing this ridiculous “showdown” isn’t going to change that in their minds.

I think what we all have to come to understand is that no one outside the state of Texas knows or cares about this. It’s meaningless. It’s practically something the aggies created in hopes that they would someday have some measuring stick that says they might be better at sports than Texas, logic be damned.

by bassale47 on Apr 29, 2008 6:51 AM CDT   0 recs

They are already boasting

A win in football and a split in Basketball.

The “Lone Star Showdown” is the consolation prize. Im fine and glad to win it when we earn it, but when we dont take care of business in the two sports most fans care the most about, its tough to take it as a consolation prize if we manage to eek out the numbers necessary to win.

Ask just about any fan on either side if they’d rather win the football/basketball match ups, or the Showdown, and you’ll get your answer.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Apr 29, 2008 8:26 AM CDT   0 recs

I never even knew about this until just now.

Seriously, I just thought the “Lone Star Showdown” was some name they tagged onto the football game to make it sound as important as the “Red River Shootout”

I've been fuelin' my dreams eatin' greens and beans.

by 16thLonghorn on Apr 29, 2008 10:27 AM CDT   0 recs

As a fairly objective Big 12 fan

(And specifically the state of Texas Teams)

I think it’s pretty arrogant of the Horns to think that they have the corner on the market right now.

A&M has improved vastly across the board in all of their sports (bar the abortion that is Franchione Football)

Texas FB last season was very deceptive and any logical fan knows it. It took late game implosions on the end of oSU and Nebraska to even make it look respectable.

Let’s be honest. What matters to most of us? Football. Despite not having better teams the last two years, the Horns lost. No excuses. Both years Mack put out a better product on the field and came back empty handed.

Aggie B-Ball has come to even footing with UT whether Longhorns like it or not. For Horns to act like they have a great history before the late 90’s are only deluding themselves like the Aggies that think they have great Football history before the late 80’s. A&M is just late in getting to the show in this area. The women’s hoops has far and away passed Texas.

Aggie softball and baseball both improved greatly at the end of last season while the Horns springball has done nothing spectacular since.

Both of A&M’s track squads have legit shots at big things this year.

UT has great tradition in all sports. Nobody will argue that. But the arrogance to think that A&M or even Tech (that won’t be any time soon) can’t be better is just a little arrogant and short sighted.

by ThreeNout on Apr 29, 2008 10:32 AM CDT   0 recs

Um... "We're Texas", anyone?

We are the best. Any loss or failure is frustrating solely because it delays the acceptance of that fact by others. Arrogance is your word for it, but it’s the very essence of Texas. That’s why we’re Burnt Orange and not some cute color. That’s why all of our stuff is bigger than everyone else’s. In your face, loud, and without concern for whatever anyone else’s opinion, we will be Texas all day long and you can handle it in whatever way suits you best. We’re Texas (Deal With It).

Thanks ThreeNout for getting me all amped up… When is football, again? Soon, right?

--Horn Brain--

by Horn Brain on Apr 29, 2008 11:15 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

good point

“Arrogance is your word for it, but it’s the very essence of Texas”
—I couldn’t have put it better myself.

by carsondude on Apr 29, 2008 12:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Umm...
But the arrogance to think…is just a little arrogant

So, you’re saying that arrogance is arrogant. Who knew?

So you're saying that now I have to think of some witty Sig that will be applicable across all the SBN sites? Go TexanHornStros!

by Shake on Apr 29, 2008 11:46 AM CDT to parent up   1 recs

Absolutely cluesless

I didn’t know! Had no idea.

It's a Horns' world. Even Aggies play hoops with a burnt orange ball.
Is it football season YET?

by Speedway on Apr 29, 2008 12:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

saw that after the fact.

My bad coach

by ThreeNout on Apr 29, 2008 1:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Not arrogant, just a fact

First of all, Texas had yet another 10-win season last year. That doesn’t just happen. It wasn’t up to our standards, but it’s a hell of a lot less “deceptive” than A&M beating Texas and finishing 7-6 or whatever the hell it was.

Secondly, A&M is nowhere near the same “footing” in basketball as Texas. A few NCAA tournament appearances (with the sweet 16 being as far as they’ve gone in decades) doesn’t come close to what Texas has done just in the 10 years that Barnes has been around, much less historically.

The fact that you would even begin to try to compare UT baseball with A&M shows you are not a fairly objective fan at all.

As for the rest of the sports, it’s really pointless to even try to debate it because most people don’t care. I think Texas and A&M are quite even in golf, tennis, track & field, etc., and Texas will be far more than even in women’s hoops once Goestenkors has time to get acclimated. Texas will be right up there with Tennessee and UConn in that regard. But in the sports that truly matter (football, men’s basketball, and baseball), Texas will always be king. It’s not arrogance. It’s fact.

by bassale47 on Apr 29, 2008 3:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

123 days

and shrinking… but not quite fast enough…..

sigh….

by ThreeNout on Apr 29, 2008 11:40 AM CDT   0 recs

The Lone Star Showdown was created simply as a

moneymaking tool for the two schools, and an advertising vehicle for State Farm, no more, no less.

Quite frankly, I don't care about most of the minor, non-revenue sports.
Swimming - active drowning avoidance
Diving - let's grade the splash they make when they hit the water
Track - why run so fast if no one is chasing you?
And who gives a damn if you run faster indoors or outdoors?
Tennis - country club sport I'll never play
Golf - see tennis
This is Texas, football is king in this State. I want to beat texas in basketball and baseball, too, but bottom line is, if you win in football, it trumps everything else, and every texas fan knows it.
I just like to beat texas (in pretty much any sport) b/c it keeps you people (and your fanbase) humble.
I pay attention to women's soccer, softball, and basketball b/c I used to go to their games while I was at A&M, but I don't delude myself into thinking that these games matter to other people.

by Beergut on Apr 29, 2008 1:50 PM CDT   0 recs

Story about a pot & a kettle

Once upon a time, there was an Aggie who was worried about the Longhorn fanbase staying humble…

So you're saying that now I have to think of some witty Sig that will be applicable across all the SBN sites? Go TexanHornStros!

by Shake on Apr 29, 2008 2:13 PM CDT to parent up   2 recs

Touché! (Rec'd)

It's a Horns' world. Even Aggies play hoops with a burnt orange ball.
Is it football season YET?

by Speedway on Apr 29, 2008 2:30 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

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