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Distractions From Property Law: BCS Banter

What to do when your sanity requires a break from the drudgery that is property law?

Browse BCS history, that's what. As noted in a FanPost, the conference commissioners met this week to discuss the possibility of playoffs and voted - perhaps predictably - to continue with the current BCS format, at least through 2014. As ESPN.com quickly found out, the commissioners are not exactly in step with the overwhelming majority of fan preference:

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If only we had a consensus...

 

According to ESPN.com's Mark Schlabach, only the ACC and SEC commissioners were interested in discussing a playoff, with the remaining four conference commissioners and Notre Dame Athletic Director Kevin White flatly rejecting the idea - be it a multi-team playoff or a plus-one system.

That story sent me to the BCS wiki page to look at how each conference has fared since the BCS was implemented. With some basic accounting, I was able to sort out some quick and dirty performance metrics for each conference over the BCS' 10-year history:

Conference At-Large Berths Title Game Appearances National Titles Record in BCS Games
Big 10 7 3 1 8-9
ACC 0 3 1 1-9
Big 12 41 5 2 6-8
SEC 5 4 4 11-4
Big East 0 3 1 6-4
Pac 10 2 2 1 8-4
ND 3 0 0 0-3
Non-BCS 3 0 0 2-1

1The Big 12 has twice sent a team that didn't win the conference championship game (Nebraska 2001, OU 2003) to the BCS Title Game, both of whom are counted above as at-large participants. 

Assorted Thoughts

* The ACC, not Big  East, is the redheaded stepchild of the BCS. Even taking away Miami's 2-1 record as a member of the Big East, the conference has comfortably outperformed the woeful ACC. Florida State (lost '98 title game, won '99 title) was strong in the BCS' formative years, but as it has faded to mediocrity, so has the conference.

* For what it's worth: At-large BCS teams are 12-8 in BCS games.

* Both the Big 10 and Big 12 have garnered more bids, but it's the SEC that has performed best in the big money bowls thus far. Sample size caveats apply, but a .733 win percentage and 4 national titles in 5 as many tries ain't shabby.

* Notre Dame is bad at football. But good at optimism.

* Three teams - Utah, Boise State, and Hawaii - have clawed their way into a BCS game, with the Utes and Broncos picking up wins. At the risk of wading too deeply into meta waters, this is one reason why I like the idea of a playoff. There's enough parity in college football that it's silly to crown two teams the best of a given year and limit the ultimate prize to them and them alone. Boise State's ceiling? A trophy filled with Tostitos dipping chips. Meh.

* Without question, television contracts have an enormous role in all this. A proper review of the situation would look at the current deals in place, their expiration, and whether the conferences and broadcasters stood to make more money from a playoff system. Among all the variables, this one's probably dispositive.

* As always, there's probably a lot more to learn with a more robust look at all the available data. In an alternate universe where I actually had enough free time, I'd want to know:

  1. Profiles of at-large teams. How did they earn their bids? What was their non-conference strength of schedule? How strong was their conference?
  2. Profiles of national title participants. How strong was the field of suitors for the berth? How many teams might we reasonable argue were unjustly excluded from a shot at title glory?
  3. What correlation exists between preseason ranking and likelihood of BCS bowl participation? Between preseason ranking and national title game participation?
  4. Do the make-up, intra-conference scheduling policies, or existence of a conference championship game have any bearing on likelihood of BCS participation?

Though we rarely, if ever, get it from mainstream reporting on the topic, there's a substantive discussion to be had about these types of questions. Ironically, a day after this nonsense, I'm happy to say that the discussion is alive and well on, yes, the interwebs. Those damn radical kids...

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PB, I feel your pain... My Property Final is Friday @ 1 p.m.

And I am sick and tired of discussing horizontal and vertical privity.

by the1austin on Apr 30, 2008 11:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Dude

I love law school, but this class tests my will to live.

It permeates the things you love, too. You watch the NFL draft, hear a trade announced, and think “O to A for life, so long as used for X, if not to B and his heirs.”

--PB--

by Peter Bean on May 1, 2008 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

if you hate it now...

wait until you’re studying it for the bar exam. it’s pretty much the worst thing ever.

by billyzane on May 1, 2008 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think it'll happen any time soon

I honestly believe that when you consider that the conferences won’t even talk about a playoff until after 2014 and then you have the TV deals – different degrees of TV networks, bowls, ND and all of their respective deals – I think the only way this is going to get resolved is by Congressional intervention. That or a conference either drops out or brings a lawsuit when their team is undefeated and doesn’t make the MNC game. It seems to me that most of the conferences, school presidents/athletic directors, and TV networks won’t give up the guarantee payout they already have.

As lame as it is, I hope for Congress to do something – I honestly don’t see another way it’ll happen.

by cheevyjames on May 1, 2008 7:39 AM CDT reply actions  

confirmation

All this does is confirm the fact that we will never see any type of playoff in college football. (As if there was much of a chance in the first place.)

by Jason Mayer on May 1, 2008 9:17 AM CDT reply actions  

Since I believe I'm the lone Alaskan resident,

From my point of view, I would say the consensus is correct.

...a University of the first class, to be located by a vote of the people of this State, and styled, "The University of Texas,"...

by Art.7-Sec.10 on May 1, 2008 9:50 AM CDT reply actions  

BCS

Is it wrong that I’m one of the 7% that likes the current BCS system (for many reasons I’m unable to articulate unless given a few days to gather my thoughts on paper)?

by jc25 on May 1, 2008 10:49 AM CDT reply actions  

public opinion

Public opinion is consensus when a majority of people agree with you and the ill-informed views of a nation of rubes when they don’t agree with you. We have a proud tradition in this country of attempting to temper the vagaries of public opinion with institutions that are more methodical and thoughtful. See the Federalist Papers for a thoughtful analysis of why doing everything the majority wants is the worst idea man ever had. And while I don’t pretend to equate the gravity of national government with something as frivolous as the college football postseason, the point is the same.

Public opinion is by nature capricious, and on matters such as this it is, taken as a whole, largely ill-informed. People voting on ESPN haven’t sat down and thought about a college football playoff the way those charged with deciding whether there should be one or not have. I, personally, have thought more about this that probably anyone else on this blog (and have definitely written more extensively about it). At first I blindly thought “Of course a playoff would be better. That’s obvious.” But after spending weeks thinking about it and studying it and writing a treatise on what a system for crowning a chmpion should be, I came to a somewhat different conclusion.

My point isn’t that if you think about it, you’ll agree with me. My point is that the public hasn’t thought about it in any meaningful way and to take their opinion as conclusive evidence of what would be best for college football in the long run is folly. Perhaps it is conclusive evidence of what the public wants right now, but that’s only part of the equation that the representatives of these conferences need to take into account. And I for one am glad that they think about it, weigh the competing concerns, and bring their own biases into the debate rather than worshiping at the altar of public opinion.

If that makes me elitist, then so be it. It puts me in good company.

by billyzane on May 1, 2008 10:52 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

as a matter of clarification

Peter, I think you know this wasn’t a screed against you or this post. I was speaking about a general matter in which “everyone wants a playoff” is used as an argument for having one. While you implied that point, you were much more nuanced in your analysis as you’ve always been when we’ve talked about this subject.

by billyzane on May 1, 2008 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

nuanced? screed?

Words bad, football good.

Want more game! More game good! Want Sun Belt to have shot for National Championship! Conspiracy bad, BCS conspiracy, BCS bad. Syllogism good.

--Horn Brain--

by Horn Brain on May 1, 2008 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

No I definitely agree with you

But happen to think the herd is right on this one. In my opinion, a playoff would be better, whether the average ESPN.com poll voter has thought through it or not.

--PB--

by Peter Bean on May 1, 2008 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Love the Federalist Papers reference..

For being a largely ill-informed public I think they are right. I want a new system; some sort of play-off would be better (i.e. something like your flex system).

It's a Horns' world. Even Aggies play hoops with a burnt orange ball.
Is it football season YET?

by Speedway on May 1, 2008 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think you're probably wrong.

First, I think it’s probably wrong that government is better off when decisions are taken from the people.

Second, even presuming that assertion is right generally and as relates to government, the kinds of decisions best left to people are precisely those that are frivolous and lacking in gravity.

Third, even presuming you’re 2-0 on the above points, I disagree that the general public is ill-informed on College Football. Maybe they aren’t the most edumecated folks in the world, but by the very nature of the question, the only people who could possibly be informed are… the people. The question is which would fans prefer, the answer is fans would prefer a playoff. Since CFB isn’t a policy decision, has no importance outside that generated by the people who watch it, shouldn’t it follow a system the people watch? Are you suggesting College Football fans are uneducated on playoffs generally, that they don’t understand the term or concept of a playoff? Surely that can’t be the case.

Fourth, you’re a lot smarter than most of the people on the internet, and certainly me. And you’ve written extensively on the subject; I trust your knowledge on a playoffs moreso than I’d trust others. But people who have really, really, thought about a playoff system for CFB abound throughout the internet, and they don’t all happen to agree with your conclusion. There are a lot of intellectually serious people who think a playoff is preferable.

Finally, and I’m repeating myself, what’s “best for college football” is whatever the fans say is best. Since we’re talking about a sport, what’s important is not some elusive objective right/wrong for the institution, but rather whatever wets the dick of college football fans. There isn’t anything inherently worthwhile about the sport independent the value invested in it by, say, forty eight thousand seven hundred and thirty seven fans.

Ultimately it’s important to remember that we’re talking about making a SPORTS decision. Since playoffs have not demonstrably collapsed into nothing any of the EVERY SINGLE OTHER SPORT THAT UTILIZES IT, it’s safe to say we aren’t talking about the potential end of College Football when we propose a playoff. Essentially we’re talking about nothing more important than the color of the uniforms. I doubt the masses are so helpless that we wouldn’t let them make those kinds of decisions, those poor dumb bastards.

Go register. Or else.

by Skin Patrol on May 1, 2008 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Responses

Measured criticism, to be sure. And I appreciate that. Here are my responses:

1) On this point you disagree with most of the prominent founders of the country other than Thomas Jefferson (and he only from time to time as it suited his various whims). Seriously, read Federalist 10 (an argument for adopting the Constitution), written by James Madison. Here are some choice tidbits:

...pure democracy can admit of no cure for the mischiefs of faction. A common passion or interest will, in almost every case, be felt by a majority of the whole; a communication and concert result from the form of government itself; and there is nothing to check the inducements to sacrifice the weaker party or an obnoxious individual. Hence it is that such democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths…. A republic, by which I mean a government in which the scheme of representation takes place, opens a different prospect, and promises the cure for which we are seeking….

[The benefit of republics] is to refine and enlarge the public views, by passing them through the medium of a chosen body of citizens, whose wisdom may best discern the true interest of their country, and whose patriotism and love of justice will be least likely to sacrifice it to temporary or partial considerations. Under such a regulation, it may well happen that the public voice, pronounced by the representatives of the people, will be more consonant to the public good than if pronounced by the people themselves, convened for the purpose.

2) I dispute the premise of this assertion that ANY decisions beyond who is to represent their interests in making those decisions are best left to the people as a whole. If we must leave some decisions to public opinion, then of course it’s better that those be the frivolous ones because no one gets hurt if/when they go wrong. But we don’t have to. We choose to.

3) I’m not saying fans aren’t educated about the sport. I’m not saying they don’t understand what how a playoff works. I’m saying that most haven’t considered the deeper imlications of what a playoff will provide. This was the subject of part 1 of my flex playoff proposal. It brought up all the issues we should be thinking about when we decide what post-season system we want.

4) Part 2 of my flex playoff proposal was my personal answer to the issues i raised in Part 1. I do not pretend that no one could come to a different conclusion. In fact, in my post above I specifically said, “My point isn’t that if you think about it, you’ll agree with me. My point is that the public hasn’t thought about it in any meaningful way….”

5) I disagree wholeheartedly. If everyone was completely informed and had thought about it meaningfully, then perhaps you are correct. But allow me to briefly extract one line from the Federalist quote above: “it may well happen that the public voice, pronounced by the representatives of the people, will be more consonant to the public good than if pronounced by the people themselves.” This is the foundation of the republican Constitution of the United States. Surely it’s good enough for college football.

by billyzane on May 1, 2008 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Re:

1) I think James Madison was wrong, don’t know what to tell you. He was overtly anti-democratic in ways far more explicit than the one you’ve provided, and if I met him on the street today, I’d punch him in the face for being 1) wrong about so many things and 2) a morally reprehensible monster. His chief error was presuming that arbitrary undemocratic institutions were somehow better (through magic? Hope? Naivety?) at reaching the right, proper, whatever decisions than the people. The people decided that slavery was illegal in some states, the non-elected Supreme Court decided Dred Scott. People 1. Undemocratic institution 0. (Actually the correct score was People 0 Undemocratic Institution 0.) I can only assure you that I’ve read James Madison’s words from the Federalist 10 and find them totally uncompelling.

2) Obviously this entire discussion relates to what we should do, not what we do do (or, in other words, must do). I think we should have a playoff. I think one of many reasons we should have a playoffs is because that’s what actual college football fans want. I don’t think we must listen to the fans on this particular issue, I think we should listen to them. And if ever there were decisions that could harmlessly be left to the fans, it’s harmless decisions. If your argument is that some decisions are too important to be left to the people (I reemphasize that I find this position totally absurd), then that reasoning certainly doesn’t apply to college football postseasons… because it isn’t too important.

3) I think you are wrong that most fans “haven’t considered the deeper implications of what a playoff will provide.” I think they have. I also think that’s exactly why they want a playoff system.

4) I thought your flex playoff proposal was very clever, and would happily take it over the current system. I also thought it was unnecessarily complicated and nuanced. Every Day Should be Saturday captured my thoughts:

We’re not convinced a pure playoff is the solution, but here’s what’s already happened with the BCS. First, we started off with a pig. Then, the pig was given rollerskates. Then, the rollerskate-pig received a transplant of an alligator’s snout. Once the pig’s head proved to be too heavy with the alligator’s snout, a counterweight was added at the tail in the form of sack of buckshot stapled to its tail.

At this point, the plus one would be sewing another head onto the allipigrollerskatebuckshot beast.
Overall, BCS < plus one < your system < playoffs in my opinion. If asked to choose between BCS and playoffs, most people agree that playoffs are preferable to both a plus one and BCS.

5) I don’t even think the Constitution of the United States of America is good enough for the United States of America (are any of us really Constitutionalists?) so why would I think it’s good enough for College Football? One difference between CFB and the Constitution as written is that black people can play. And we both know that the reason that black people couldn’t play in the original constitution had NOTHING to do with the worrisome “common passion or interest” of the people generally, and everything to do with the fact that black people aren’t white.

This really doesn’t need to be a discussion of the merits of Constitutionalism (there aren’t many, in my opinion). The issue is whether or not we should have a playoffs, and most people think we should. If they’re wrong, it isn’t because they all agree with one another.

Go register. Or else.

by Skin Patrol on May 1, 2008 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fix...

the “At this point, the plus one would be sewing another head onto the…” bit were not my words. Those were written by Spencer Hall, I don’t know why they weren’t included in the blockquote.

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by Skin Patrol on May 1, 2008 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

fair enough

no need to debate this any further. our points are pretty clear. we have a fundamental disagreement about the nature of government and public opinion which colors our opinions on this matter in an interesting way. i’m glad we could talk about it on such a high level. and when everyone taking that ESPN poll can and does the same, then I might agree with you.

As a side note, I am an unabashed and unapologetic constitutionalist. Not an originalist, mind you. But I believe in the document, flaws and all. To quote John Adams, we are a nation of laws, not of men. Once we lose sight of that, we become a tyranny of the majority.

by billyzane on May 1, 2008 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Re:

If you aren’t an originalist, I hardly see how you can be a constitutionalist. If the Constitution means something other than what it was intended to mean, then really what you’re saying is that it means whatever you say it means.

I don’t disbelieve in the Constitution, I just think it’s a silly way to run government.

Further, John Adams was predictably wrong. Nations of laws exist without Constitutions (like the United Kingdom, for instance). In any event, the Constitution (interpreted by some judges) invalidates laws not men.

Go register. Or else.

by Skin Patrol on May 1, 2008 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Before you read the above.

If it sounds too contrarian it wasn’t meant to. I just wanted to get my final wack in on the Constitution while we’re on the subject. It wasn’t meant to take a stab at you.

Go register. Or else.

by Skin Patrol on May 1, 2008 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

really quickly...

uh, the UK does have a constitution, it’s just not a written document. it’s the collective action of the people’s representatives (note: NOT the people themselves) over their history.

my point with the adams quote was that once we go to “majority rules in all instances”, that’s tyrrany against the minority.

by billyzane on May 1, 2008 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Supposing

that when I say constitutionalism is a silly way to run the government, I mean it’s silly to have an instrument that precludes democratic decisions. The UK doesn’t have such an instrument, it just has laws.

I call tyranny by the majority: democracy. I also doubt that undemocratic institutions are any better at preventing tyranny by the majority (or minority) than the actual people. I am certain that the Constitution was not very effective at preventing tyranny by the majority.

Go register. Or else.

by Skin Patrol on May 1, 2008 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

we agree on one thing:
tyranny by the majority: democracy

though we still disagree about whether that’s a good thing. to each his own, i suppose. c’est la vie.

by billyzane on May 1, 2008 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Institutional obstruction.

Despite living in an age where propaganda is the prime substance of televised broadcast and some print journalism, despites the built-in advantages of the BCS broadcasters to push their point of view relentlessly, it is telling that public opinion is contra.

WIth a decade to mull over the results, the contradictions, the distortions of football space, the advantages and disadvantages of this closed system, which is indeed elitist and pumps money to the top tier, and the general understanding of a serious playoff (it ain’t rocket science), perhaps the public does have a clear idea of what they want – and how they want it.

I find this is very little about football and very much about money and control. Football is just the commodity at the end of the process. And when you bring in property, this is about ownership of a process, an abdicated ownership with title transfered as far as I see it.

The powers pushing this want every game to be great. But that ain’t life and that’s not how it ever ends up. That is the golden totem they’re selling their viewing public. Like most every other major corporation, they are trying to reduce their liabilities (bad games) and pump their big producers (title game, top tilts).

While there is some logic to a limited set of outcomes in the past when the media system was not set up for multi-broadcasts, there is no excuse now. BCS and cronies want the cream. Fuck the rest, send them down to the other 20 or so bowls in smaller venues and lesser broadcasters, let them do the bad games. However, the quality of those games scale out about the same: some great, some good, some fair, some just butt-ugly. Just like the BCS, despite the chiseling to garner what should be the key games.

The nature of the game levels the field.

So, in a sense the BCS cronies are implicitly telling us they take all the risks and are due the big rewards. But actually, they just take the choice out of our hands via the NCAA because they want as sure a thing as possible – the institutional imperative – while we sit here knowning nothing is sure and the risks (of bad games) is just as possible in a larger playoff as they are in the BCS. And now they’ve locked it up to 2014 – six frickin’ years – and basically we’re told to fuck off and forget it or at least find some rationalization we can chew on for six years so we’ll keep watching. There is no actual discussion; there is no interactivity, no feedback, no role whatsoever in the decision-making. Now it’s just theater, from Potemkin to Kabuki, and nobody but nobody has a fucking thing to say that will change anything, except the deck chairs, of course.

I think the contracting parties should be sued by some team(s), if not states for state-supported schools, under the 14th amendment equal protection clause that there is not a fair and equitable chance at the national championship for all members of Div. 1 football based on the NCAA’s own developed and successful system for determining national championships. The NCAA is guilty of abdicating responsibility their own responsibility, and has made a deal financially detrimental in both the short and long term to some member schools, with malice aforethought.

Otherwise Div. 1 should be divided with top tier BCS conferences in one division and all the rest of the teams in another. It is a farce as it is and a financial detriment to the lower tier schools because they don’t have an equitable chance in hell of ever making the BCS.

by whills on May 1, 2008 1:38 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Chart Error

Maybe it’s nitpicking, but the Big East has only one championship, and the ACC has one as well. I only point it out because in the ACC, we may be mediocre, but we’re always statistically accurate!

by Ramblin Jeff on May 1, 2008 1:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Fixed

My abacus sucks

--PB--

by Peter Bean on May 1, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Question for ya

If the BCS system is supposedly “still” good enough to help us decide which two teams deserve to be in the title game, why can’t it also be used to decide who gets into the other four BCS games in so much as having #3 play #4, #5 vs #6 and so on?

I can understand why a BCS bowl wouldn’t want two teams from the same conference, should they be ranked consecutively in the BCS Top 10, but I’ve never understood why they open the selection process up to the Top 14 (or even the Top 18 as I heard there was talk of that).

I know there are several political answers for this question, like the BCS wants to make sure no more than two teams from the same conf. get a BCS invite, but it doesn’t make them any less bullshit. Plus, I think of they did this way, we’d get some better match-ups or at least have fewer excuses if they didn’t turn out to be great match ups.

Tradition aside, there was no good excuse to have USC vs Illinois in the Rose Bowl this year. That was pathetic.

Be nobody but yourself in a world that desperately wants you to be like everybody else.

by 54b on May 1, 2008 2:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Actual and projected from last year

Here were the actual match-ups:

BCS Title: #1 tOSU vs. #2 LSU
Rose Bowl: #7 USC vs. #13 Illinois
Sugar Bowl: #10 Hawaii vs. #5 Georgia
Orange Bowl: #3 V-Tech vs. #8 Kansas
Fiesta: #4 OU vs. #9 WVU

Only #6 Mizzou got hosed (and boy did they got hosed).

Now say they did it in order of the BCS finish:

BCS Title: #1 tOSU vs. #2 LSU
BCS Bowl: #3 V-Tech vs. #4 OU (Orange)
BCS Bowl: #5 Georgia vs. #6 Mizzou (Sugar)
BCS Bowl: #7 USC vs. #8 KU (Rose)
BCS Bowl: #9 WVU vs. #10 Hawaii (Fiesta)

Be nobody but yourself in a world that desperately wants you to be like everybody else.

by 54b on May 1, 2008 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

different priorities

the determination of the teams in the BCS championship game is based on determining a champion (at least, it mostly is). the rest of the BCS has nothing to do with that. it has no pretensions about putting the best teams on the field or even the best games. it might be better at doing that than the old bowl system but it’s not much better. the non-championship BCS games are entirely a money-grab, whereas the championship game is only partially (and to a far lesser extent) a money-grab.

I agree with you. I wish there was a better system for determining who played in which non-championship bowl games.

by billyzane on May 1, 2008 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

One word, AUBURN

Yes, I am an Auburn grad, so I have a bit of an opinion on this subject. Until you’ve watched your undefeated team, an SEC team at that (you know, the same SEC that is 4-0 in NC games), play a game that means absolutely nothing while two other teams play for it all, you can’t truly feel the pain of the BCS.
I hate the thought of devaluing the regular season. Part of what makes CFB so great is that every single game is important. If it ever got to the point where teams are sitting players in order to rest them for an upcoming playoff game then I would be very disappointed. That being said, surely someone can come up with something better than what we currently have.

by TexasAUtiger on May 3, 2008 8:18 AM CDT reply actions  

Teams

routinely play backups after they’re done beating the shit out of D2 teams in their non-conference schedule for 2-3 quarters.

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by Skin Patrol on May 4, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

What does the Plus 1 format solve?

Hell. Last year’s mess has been used as a big debating point on behalf of those looking for the plus one. Most point at USC and UGA as deserving a chance at the title being a huge point FOR the plus one format.

When they both would have been left out even with the plus one last year, how does this offer anything mildly considered valid?

Going beyond the plus one is too much. I understand the other divisions have a playoff system just fine. I also understand that a large part of what keeps Div 1 competetive is funding. Last year was a year of quite a few upsets. How many of those colleges would be able to fund programs capable of pulling upsets if they lost not only the BCS funding, but the bowl funding as well? Keep in mind that the typical argument for a full blown playoff would be using the bowls that already exist for the playoff games in an attempt to keep them marketable. Honestly, with a playoff system, who would care for the remaining bowls? You’d pretty much have to remove out of conference play in order to faciliate a 16 game playoff system. I’d much rather have the out of conference games than playoffs.

Fans cry out for the playoff system claiming the BCS is out of touch with what their fans want. The BCS just remembers a quote we’re all told when we’re little. “Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it.”

Fans need to think through the cons of the playoffs rather than ignoring them for the minimal gains. What we have now isn’t bad. Playoffs won’t make things better longterm.

by natasftw on May 8, 2008 2:32 AM CDT reply actions  

Who cares for the bowls now?
Honestly, with a playoff system, who would care for the remaining bowls?

Getting rid of bowls 17 through 31 is an improvement.
You’d pretty much have to remove out of conference play in order to facilitate a 16 game playoff system.

No, you would just have 2 teams that would play 3 more games than they currently do and get rid of the long break between regular season and bowl games.

I am wishing, but I think there is a fat chance in hell that I will get it.

by Wells on May 8, 2008 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

All of the bowls are watched. More importantly, all of the bowls are funded. Removing half the bowls would put a huge damper on the financial situation for smaller programs. This would increase the divide between top programs and the smaller programs creating less of a competetive product. As it is, there’s nothing forcing you to watch those games. It’d be impossible for you to successfully argue that you’d get more viewers for 16 bowls over 31. Alienating groups of fans isn’t a successful business practice.

You only have a couple week layoff between the conference championship games and the first of the bowl games. Have you ever noticed how well the timeoff between the regular season and the bowl season corresponds with finals? I wonder if there’s a reason for that…

Overall, a playoff system is detrimental to the college product.

by natasftw on May 9, 2008 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Utter BS

College basketball plays through finals, so does baseball. Don’t give me that finals BS. What about teams on the quarter or trimester systems? Should we take time off for them as well?

Your bowl argument is incorrect as well. The small bowl games are money losers for the teams. Orson from EDSBS wrote an article for the sporting news about this this year, I am just too lazy to pull up the link.

by Wells on May 9, 2008 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

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