Final Four: Open Game Day Thread
This is probably somewhat of a depressing Saturday for some Longhorn fans. Texas was just 40 minutes away from a trip to San Antonio and the Final Four, but ran into a Memphis buzzsaw in Houston last weekend. Even without the 'Horns, tonight's games should be thoroughly entertaining as all four top seeds survived to reach the Final Four for the first time in history.
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(1) Memphis (37-1, 16-0) vs. (1) UCLA (35-3, 16-2) 5:07 p.m CBS
It seems like most media pundits have fallen head over heels in love with the Tigers after they dismantled both Michigan State and Texas last weekend. I, too, was very impressed with the Tigers in Houston. However, I expect UCLA's physical defense and slow-tempo style to propel the Bruins to the title game. If I'm right, you will see UCLA defend the dribble-drive effectively with taller, stronger, and quicker perimeter players than the Longhorns possesd. If I'm wrong, Memphis will dictate the tempo of the game and UCLA will be in a world of hurt trying to come from behind in a full-court game against a team as efficient as Memphis.
(1) Kansas (35-3, 13-3) vs. (1) North Carolina (36-2, 14-2) 7:47 p.m CBS
Much like in the first semifinal, tempo will matter in this one. Both teams love to push the action, but I think Kansas is more efficient than North Carolina is in the half court. I won't be surprised at all if Bill Self elects to slow the tempo some this evening. The Jayhawks can score inside and out in the half-court, whereas North Carolina is much more dependent of fast break points. In a half-court game, North Carolina will also be attempting to score against one of the nation's top ranked defenses. Mario Chalmers, Russell Robinson, Brandon Rush, and Sharron Collins combine to form the best set of defensive guards in the country. Also, the physical bodies of Sasha Kaun and Darnell Jackson should be able to frustrate Hansbrough, ala Dexter Pittman on Brook Lopez. As long as Kaun and Jackson don't foul and let Hansbrough live at the free throw line, I think the Kansas defense will send Bill Self and the Jayhawks to the title game.
One last painful note, the four teams still alive for a national title have a combined nine losses. Two of those nine losses came to the Texas Longhorns. We were one of the very best teams in the country this year and unfortunately came up just short.
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FYI:
Memphis -2
UNC -3.5
I am considering taking Memphis and Kansas, but as those are also the teams I am rooting for, I am concerned that my fandom is biasing my picks.
UCLA
needs to slow down. The faster the tempo, the bigger the disadvantage.
Good timeout by Howland.
Memphis, 17-12
The last three or four trips down the floor Memphis took over. I don't expect this to change, although I'm sure UCLA will try to slow it down.
Bruins finding rhythm
Collison and Westbrook taking over in halfcourt. Defense still needs to improve on CDR and on Rose.
One pt game.
Bruins down three
Shipp has taken three quick shots already. He's made just one of three. Again, Howland is screaming at them in the timeout to slow down.
pace
If ucla could keep the pace down, they'd be fine. Those fast break points are killing them, and if they get tempted to play fast, they're screwed.
Derrick Rose
Has to be the #1 pick in the draft. Just... awesome.
Killing UCLA. Easily the best player on the floor.
Yep. He asserted himself on Tollison
damn quickly. Just no one comparable.
What about Beasley?
I don't think you can go wrong with either. It will depend on what the worst team needs more: a point guard or a forward.
Memphis has 10 fast break pts
28 pts in 12 minutes is not the pace at which UCLA needs to play.
UCLA can't win for losing.
TOs and walk on fast break. Life with Memphis.
The refereeing prognosis will be interesting.
Don't know where the refs are from, but I'd like some astute observer to compare with what ucla was getting on the west coast.
I said astute. I never mix astute and aggie.
General rule I have.
Terrible shot by Taggert
That's two bad shots from him. UCLA's shown zero ability to stay in front of CDR or Rose. A 16 foot jumper from Taggert with 25 on the shot clock is terrible.
Stop here and UCLA is only down five at half
Not bad considering how many easy fast break points they allowed early.
Or Memphis scores and heads into half with momentum and confidence.
UCLA is in a much better spot than Texas was
Taggert and Dorsey both have two fouls, the Bruins survived the early Memphis run, and enter the half in good shape.
Should be a great second half.
That's true.
But Memphis hasn't made a big run.
Except for the early run to go ahead, this has stayed fairly close. Considering the second half adjustments of both coaches, this should be a very interesting 20 minutes. UCLA is not out of it.
big bucket
Big two for UCLA going into the half. It feels like they should be down more, but a 3 point deficit is a good spot for UCLA, especially with the 2 fouls on Dorsey and Taggert. They have to slow the game down, foul on fast break opportunities and hope that Memphis cools down from the FT line. Those fast break dunks and layups are just demoralizing.
NBA
Ketchum at Orangebloods is reporting that he ran into an NBA scout who said that Augustin is learning heavily toward turning pro. No surprise.
Arizona guard Jerryd Bayless turns pro.http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/news/story?id=3331393 Bayless will be drafted ahead of DJ if Augustin does turn pro.
tight calls
Start of the 2nd half includes 3 quick fouls by officials. Make that 4....3 on dorsey and taggert. Wow.
fast break
More fast break points....wow, UCLA is struggling with that Memphis length, too. Not totally surprising, but it's been the story of the game so far in those turnovers leading to easy Tiger points.
UCLA is in a tough spot now
They were down 11, back to seven now, but still in a bit of trouble.
Packer is right, Love needs touches on the low blocks.
it's a dilemma
Crash the boards for hopes of offensive rebounds and UCLA can get some second shots. But don't get those boards, and Memphis can kill them on fast break points. Back down to five now....Let's see if the Bruins can tighten down on D and get some consecutive stops like when they pulled away from Xavier.
He's been awesome tonight
I think AW said it above: playing like Mason did - only one to show up ready to match Memphis' athleticism.
Collison with 4
the question is, will the refs be willing to call his 5th or look the other way?
by goingforthecorner on Apr 5, 2008 6:54 PM CDT reply actions
UCLA has had some opportunity here
But not a lot of move; those threes seem not the wisest move.
I still believe
that Texas was good enough to make the Final Four. This UCLA team is beatable for us. Unfortunately, we ran into the worst possible matchup: a team with an abundance of talent, size, and athleticism that can play hard-nosed, physical defense.
Weren't we considered the strongest 2 seed? It's too bad we were stuck with Memphis, who is obviously not the weakest 1 seed. But you knew the committee was going to put UCLA in Phoenix and UNC in Raleigh. We can't play KU because I don't think it's allowed to have 1/2 seeds in the same conference, so we're stuck with these beasts. Too bad.
by goingforthecorner on Apr 5, 2008 6:59 PM CDT reply actions
wow
Memphis has really controlled this entire second half. They've essentially neutralized Collison entirely. If they hold on to win, they've earned a shot at the national title. Peaking at the right time of year, to say the least.
Regardless of whether it is KU or NC
there's going to be some speed and length on the floor on Monday.
It would be awesome
for both DJ/James to come back. What Memphis type teams would we have to worry about next year? KU will be much worse, UCLA will probably lose Love and Westbrook, etc.
If they come back, we'd probably win the Big 12 and definitely get to a Final Four at least.
by goingforthecorner on Apr 5, 2008 7:13 PM CDT reply actions
okay, i changed my mind
I thought DJ played his way out of the lottery against memphis, but after seeing what memphis just did to collison, i think memphis is just a freak show of a team.
he's gone.
yeah
I'd be completely shocked if DJ came back. I'm just hoping James stays,at least. If so, we should be top 15 or so to start next year.
Another dominant win
Memphis just making great teams look silly, game after game. I do like KU-UNC winner to be a better match up against the Tigers than anyone they've seen to date, though.
you know why i like memphis?
no big white guys for announcers to excessively fawn over.
if it ends up being a Kansas/Memphis final, who will billy packer fellate on air? sasha kaun?
Bill Self rambling
This is the worst pregame speech I've ever heard.
Hands in his pockets? Hoping for things to happen? Weird.
re: White guy commentary
PB, do we need a drinking game for Hansbrough "tenacious" references?
Ugh
Let's just be grateful Jay Bilas isn't calling the game, so he couldn't do it all so smugly.
Good start for KU
Making Hansbrough play defense and working the high-low really well early.
Lawson struggling to get good looks as well.
Underrated
KU's ability to get steals doesn't get talked about enough. Those guards are ferocious and the big men are great athletes.
Kansas in the half-court
is the best in the country. Their guards can get to the paint or knock down the three. And their posts are excellent passers, finishers, and rebounders.
If UNC doesn't score fast break points, they are not going to beat KU.
Finals
If KU keeps this kind of play up it should make a for a really entertaining finals against Memphis. Ridiculous quickness by both teams.
Roy Williams
Watching him shake his head is very enjoyable for the Duke part of my basketball fandom.
38-12. Just had to get that on the board.
Awesome attack. And I smile every time I think about the Horns beating KU. Damn, there is some residual sweetness there.
Very, very impressive
Kansas looks unbelievable. WOW!!
The Big XII may get their first bball national championship ever on Monday night.
Also, Cole Aldrich has come a long way this year. I was not impressed with him at all in Nov and Dec. Now, he looks like he'll be a key player next year and a definite issue for the Longhorns in years to come.
Question. In the pre-game write ups
wasn't it stressed that Texas had to keep up with KU, not just running but shooting, because typically they started with their hair on fire.
We did the first game, and the second until the final few minutes when we went cold.
NC never got out of the blocks. Either they didn't know this - or they were not ready from the gitgo?
Answer
Yes, KU does usually start quickly but it's not like they slow down much after the opening minutes. They are just really, really good.
I thought we needed to slow the game down in Austin and in Kansas City b/c they are deeper than we are. Carolina's attack needed to be a little different. The Heels just aren't that great in the halfcourt. Roy's boys need fast break points to beat great teams. When UNC is able to run and when Hansbrough gets to the line 15+ times, they are almost unbeatable.
So far, neither of those things have occured. KU has been masterful on D, hasn't allowed UNC to get out on the break, and hasn't fouled Hansbrough but once.
Great gameplan so far from Self. Roy still looks stunned.
Oh, don't do that.
It's not like they're unarmed. They can run with Kansas; the question is whether they can shoot like KU.
seriously enough is enough
with the damn "charges" refs! Psycho T and his flopping ugh
I completely agree
I think refs think he can't foul, he should have fouled out against L'ville but got away with everything.
how is that a defensive foul
he stuck his arm out
i hate the love he gets for moving awkward
just because his every motion looks labored
does not mean he was pushed
Good start for UNC in 2nd
Only a 14 pt lead with plenty of time left.
KU needs to get back to the high-low action on offense and the pressure perimeter D and post doubling that got them a 28 pt lead.
Tale of 2 Halves
KU going cold in 2nd as Carolina playing at their speed.
Within seven, plenty of time left.
Again, KU needs to feed the post and get back on D.
Six pt lead, under 12 tv timeout
UNC keeps chipping away as KU can't hold on to the ball right now.
UNC on a 36-14 run
If I'm Bill Self, and my team finds a way to choke this game, I'm getting the hell out of Lawrence and taking the OSU job.
by goingforthecorner on Apr 5, 2008 9:35 PM CDT reply actions
ha ha
If that job isn't taken off the table at the buzzer! This is insane right now....Just a complete and massive reversal of fortune.
wow!!!
just now watching this (wife believes in liberal usage of the "you've got DVR" card...), and just got to Billy Packer calling it - "Game Over!!!" at 38-12 with 7:32 left in the FIRST HALF!!!!
Two things immediately leap to mind -
- That's got to be the earliest such call ever... and,
- Billy obviously truly believes in jinxes...
by agent orange on Apr 5, 2008 9:38 PM CDT reply actions
Carolina in 2nd
looks like KU in 1st half: making threes, forcing turnovers, playing great half-court defense.
Under eight timeout and we've got a game. I have to admit, I'm surprised. I thought UNC would make some runs but never thought they'd get this close and actually have a chance to win.
This game
eerily resembles BOTH KU/UT games last year when KD would single-handedly get us out to huge margins. But KU eventually came back and we used up all our energy just to get that lead.
Now it's happening to KU, and they're on the short end of the stick. All the energy they used to get that 40-12 lead is gone.
by goingforthecorner on Apr 5, 2008 9:46 PM CDT reply actions
Great eye, AW. Saw it on his last shot
drifted to his left on that one.
KU up 12, under four
UNC made a run and got to within four or five but never got all the way back.
Hansbrough travels about ten times a game. Glad to see it finally getting called.
KU is another three pointer away from a knock out blow.
unc gassed
Now it looks like UNC finally has hit a wall. Throwing up bad shots, some lapses on D. All that energy to get back to within four, but looks like KU may be able to hold off the "choke" label.
Hansbrough
Some thought Augustin cost himself some money with his poor performance against Rose. I am not one of those people.
However, along that same line of questioning, did Hansbrough cost himself money, should he choose to come out, by not being able to score effectively in the low post against long, physical defenders?
I've never thought Tyler would make a good pro, so I'll stay out of this.
Even before this game
he's a 2nd rounder. Remember Sean May? He dominated college better than Hansbrough, and he's not doing much in the NBA for the Bobcats, though he's been hurt.
by goingforthecorner on Apr 5, 2008 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Congrats to KU
Make the Big XII proud on Monday night.
KU will be able to match the athleticism and length of Memphis in the post. Jayhawks will have their hands full with Rose and CDR but if any group of guards can slow them down, it will be Robinson, Chalmers, Collins, and Rush.
I'll make the same point about KU/Memphis that I did about UNC/KU. In a half court game, KU has a big advantage.
yes yes yes
Memphis v. Kansas for the NC!!! After Texas bowed out this was the matchup I was hoping for. Jeez UNC and UCLA got blown out!
Rock Chalk...ahem
Hookem
Ken Pomeroy
I filled out a bracket using Pomeroy's picks exlusively. The top teams have advanced so much that his picks were awesome.
On ESPN, his bracket has 1280 picks, is in the 99.9%, and is ranked 2,406 of all ESPN brackets.
Pretty impressive formula by Mr. Pomeroy.
cool
I did the same thing. I actually filled one out with RPI, one with pomeroy, and one with the sagarin ratings. I'm always looking for ways that the "math" and my opinions on teams intersect.
If Only Texas...
Had held up their end of the bracket against KU I'd be in great shape in my league and just happier overall. Oh well.
KU v. Memphis
Common Opponents:
Oklahoma: KU (85-55) & Memphis (63-53) defeated
Arizona: KU (76-72) & Memphis (76-63) defeated
Texas: KU (69-72), (84-74) split & Memphis (85-67) defeated
For whatever it means.
That being said, the season that Texas can actually win the Big XII Championship we'll have the team that can compete for a national championship. Until then, we are just pretenders lurking just outside. Can't wait for next season.
A KU/Memphis championship
will change how coaches recruit. Just like more college football coaches want to go to the spread offense and recruit athletes, college basketball coaches will want to play like Kansas and Memphis and recruit their type of players.
Recruit to get as much size, athleticism, and speed at every single position. The era of the dominating low poster center is over with. The era of the slow it down, halfcourt style is over. You can't win small anymore. Ask UCLA and Texas. Both teams had sensational PGs and they were totally annihilated by teams with superior size and athleticism.
by goingforthecorner on Apr 5, 2008 10:28 PM CDT reply actions
Since when
have coaches not been looking for as much size, athleticism and speed as possible at every position. Isn't that like saying coaches are looking for great basketball players at every position?
Basically yes
but now size at the guard positions along with speed at the forward positions have become much more emphasized than before.
You can't win with shorties anymore like our team was constructed with.
Maybe this year was just the exception of the rule, since KU/Memphis will lose lots of their players to the draft. But at least this year, we needed big guards and quick forwards to win this year.
If it's not an exception, then it's important to get Johnson and James heavily involved into our offense, and hope we can land one of those recruits (I believe some were big guards).
by goingforthecorner on Apr 5, 2008 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions

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