Final Four: Open Game Day Thread
This is probably somewhat of a depressing Saturday for some Longhorn fans. Texas was just 40 minutes away from a trip to San Antonio and the Final Four, but ran into a Memphis buzzsaw in Houston last weekend. Even without the 'Horns, tonight's games should be thoroughly entertaining as all four top seeds survived to reach the Final Four for the first time in history.
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(1) Memphis (37-1, 16-0) vs. (1) UCLA (35-3, 16-2) 5:07 p.m CBS
It seems like most media pundits have fallen head over heels in love with the Tigers after they dismantled both Michigan State and Texas last weekend. I, too, was very impressed with the Tigers in Houston. However, I expect UCLA's physical defense and slow-tempo style to propel the Bruins to the title game. If I'm right, you will see UCLA defend the dribble-drive effectively with taller, stronger, and quicker perimeter players than the Longhorns possesd. If I'm wrong, Memphis will dictate the tempo of the game and UCLA will be in a world of hurt trying to come from behind in a full-court game against a team as efficient as Memphis.
(1) Kansas (35-3, 13-3) vs. (1) North Carolina (36-2, 14-2) 7:47 p.m CBS
Much like in the first semifinal, tempo will matter in this one. Both teams love to push the action, but I think Kansas is more efficient than North Carolina is in the half court. I won't be surprised at all if Bill Self elects to slow the tempo some this evening. The Jayhawks can score inside and out in the half-court, whereas North Carolina is much more dependent of fast break points. In a half-court game, North Carolina will also be attempting to score against one of the nation's top ranked defenses. Mario Chalmers, Russell Robinson, Brandon Rush, and Sharron Collins combine to form the best set of defensive guards in the country. Also, the physical bodies of Sasha Kaun and Darnell Jackson should be able to frustrate Hansbrough, ala Dexter Pittman on Brook Lopez. As long as Kaun and Jackson don't foul and let Hansbrough live at the free throw line, I think the Kansas defense will send Bill Self and the Jayhawks to the title game.
One last painful note, the four teams still alive for a national title have a combined nine losses. Two of those nine losses came to the Texas Longhorns. We were one of the very best teams in the country this year and unfortunately came up just short.
--AW--
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FYI:
Memphis -2
UNC -3.5
I am considering taking Memphis and Kansas, but as those are also the teams I am rooting for, I am concerned that my fandom is biasing my picks.
by MMHorns on Apr 5, 2008 3:28 PM CDT 0 recs
UCLA
needs to slow down. The faster the tempo, the bigger the disadvantage.
Good timeout by Howland.
by awiggo on Apr 5, 2008 5:18 PM CDT 0 recs
Memphis, 17-12
The last three or four trips down the floor Memphis took over. I don't expect this to change, although I'm sure UCLA will try to slow it down.
by whills on Apr 5, 2008 5:19 PM CDT 0 recs
Bruins finding rhythm
Collison and Westbrook taking over in halfcourt. Defense still needs to improve on CDR and on Rose.
One pt game.
by awiggo on Apr 5, 2008 5:29 PM CDT 0 recs
they're making them shoot threes
DUH!
makes out loss pretty aggravating
by abcdmetrius on Apr 5, 2008 5:35 PM CDT 0 recs
Hate to say it, but...
Memphis is scoring all over the court.
by PB @ BON on
Apr 5, 2008 5:39 PM CDT
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Bruins down three
Shipp has taken three quick shots already. He's made just one of three. Again, Howland is screaming at them in the timeout to slow down.
by awiggo on Apr 5, 2008 5:37 PM CDT 0 recs
pace
If ucla could keep the pace down, they'd be fine. Those fast break points are killing them, and if they get tempted to play fast, they're screwed.
by junglerules on Apr 5, 2008 5:38 PM CDT 0 recs
Derrick Rose
Has to be the #1 pick in the draft. Just... awesome.
Killing UCLA. Easily the best player on the floor.
by PB @ BON on Apr 5, 2008 5:38 PM CDT 0 recs
Yep. He asserted himself on Tollison
damn quickly. Just no one comparable.
by whills on
Apr 5, 2008 5:39 PM CDT
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What about Beasley?
I don't think you can go wrong with either. It will depend on what the worst team needs more: a point guard or a forward.
by awiggo on
Apr 5, 2008 5:40 PM CDT
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Memphis has 10 fast break pts
28 pts in 12 minutes is not the pace at which UCLA needs to play.
by awiggo on Apr 5, 2008 5:39 PM CDT 0 recs
UCLA can't win for losing.
TOs and walk on fast break. Life with Memphis.
by whills on Apr 5, 2008 5:42 PM CDT 0 recs
Memphis
Making UCLA look unathletic. That's wild.
by PB @ BON on Apr 5, 2008 5:43 PM CDT 0 recs
Love is gassed already
UCLA hasn't played a team this quick and athletic at all.
by PB @ BON on Apr 5, 2008 5:45 PM CDT 0 recs
Three travels in a row on UCLA
Only the third gets called
by PB @ BON on Apr 5, 2008 5:46 PM CDT 0 recs
The refereeing prognosis will be interesting.
Don't know where the refs are from, but I'd like some astute observer to compare with what ucla was getting on the west coast.
by whills on
Apr 5, 2008 5:48 PM CDT
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I think
we should get beergut to do it.
by horndude on
Apr 5, 2008 5:50 PM CDT
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I said astute. I never mix astute and aggie.
General rule I have.
by whills on
Apr 5, 2008 5:58 PM CDT
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Westbrook, ala Mason
Only Memphis opponent matching their athleticism early.
by awiggo on Apr 5, 2008 5:47 PM CDT 0 recs
God Shipp has an ugly shot
UCLA would be in big trouble if he hadn't hit two threes early.
by PB @ BON on Apr 5, 2008 5:55 PM CDT 0 recs
Terrible shot by Taggert
That's two bad shots from him. UCLA's shown zero ability to stay in front of CDR or Rose. A 16 foot jumper from Taggert with 25 on the shot clock is terrible.
by PB @ BON on Apr 5, 2008 5:56 PM CDT 0 recs
Stop here and UCLA is only down five at half
Not bad considering how many easy fast break points they allowed early.
Or Memphis scores and heads into half with momentum and confidence.
by awiggo on Apr 5, 2008 5:58 PM CDT 0 recs
UCLA is in a much better spot than Texas was
Taggert and Dorsey both have two fouls, the Bruins survived the early Memphis run, and enter the half in good shape.
Should be a great second half.
by awiggo on
Apr 5, 2008 6:00 PM CDT
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That's true.
But Memphis hasn't made a big run.
Except for the early run to go ahead, this has stayed fairly close. Considering the second half adjustments of both coaches, this should be a very interesting 20 minutes. UCLA is not out of it.
by whills on
Apr 5, 2008 6:04 PM CDT
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big bucket
Big two for UCLA going into the half. It feels like they should be down more, but a 3 point deficit is a good spot for UCLA, especially with the 2 fouls on Dorsey and Taggert. They have to slow the game down, foul on fast break opportunities and hope that Memphis cools down from the FT line. Those fast break dunks and layups are just demoralizing.
by junglerules on Apr 5, 2008 6:20 PM CDT 0 recs
NBA
Ketchum at Orangebloods is reporting that he ran into an NBA scout who said that Augustin is learning heavily toward turning pro. No surprise.
Arizona guard Jerryd Bayless turns pro.http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/news/story?id=3331393 Bayless will be drafted ahead of DJ if Augustin does turn pro.
by awiggo on Apr 5, 2008 6:22 PM CDT 0 recs
tight calls
Start of the 2nd half includes 3 quick fouls by officials. Make that 4....3 on dorsey and taggert. Wow.
by junglerules on Apr 5, 2008 6:23 PM CDT 0 recs
Foul Trouble
Three on Dorsey. Now three on Tagget.
by awiggo on Apr 5, 2008 6:23 PM CDT 0 recs
fast break
More fast break points....wow, UCLA is struggling with that Memphis length, too. Not totally surprising, but it's been the story of the game so far in those turnovers leading to easy Tiger points.
by junglerules on Apr 5, 2008 6:24 PM CDT 0 recs
UCLA is in a tough spot now
They were down 11, back to seven now, but still in a bit of trouble.
Packer is right, Love needs touches on the low blocks.
by awiggo on Apr 5, 2008 6:33 PM CDT 0 recs
it's a dilemma
Crash the boards for hopes of offensive rebounds and UCLA can get some second shots. But don't get those boards, and Memphis can kill them on fast break points. Back down to five now....Let's see if the Bruins can tighten down on D and get some consecutive stops like when they pulled away from Xavier.
by junglerules on
Apr 5, 2008 6:38 PM CDT
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westbrook
I've really enjoyed watching him this year at UCLA. I wonder if he'll leave early?
by junglerules on Apr 5, 2008 6:48 PM CDT 0 recs
He's been awesome tonight
I think AW said it above: playing like Mason did - only one to show up ready to match Memphis' athleticism.
by PB @ BON on
Apr 5, 2008 6:51 PM CDT
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Collison with 4
the question is, will the refs be willing to call his 5th or look the other way?
by goingforthecorner on Apr 5, 2008 6:54 PM CDT 0 recs
UCLA has had some opportunity here
But not a lot of move; those threes seem not the wisest move.
by whills on Apr 5, 2008 6:57 PM CDT 0 recs
I still believe
that Texas was good enough to make the Final Four. This UCLA team is beatable for us. Unfortunately, we ran into the worst possible matchup: a team with an abundance of talent, size, and athleticism that can play hard-nosed, physical defense.
Weren't we considered the strongest 2 seed? It's too bad we were stuck with Memphis, who is obviously not the weakest 1 seed. But you knew the committee was going to put UCLA in Phoenix and UNC in Raleigh. We can't play KU because I don't think it's allowed to have 1/2 seeds in the same conference, so we're stuck with these beasts. Too bad.
by goingforthecorner on Apr 5, 2008 6:59 PM CDT 0 recs
It's ucla's underpants all wadded up
with a red ribbon.
by whills on
Apr 5, 2008 7:14 PM CDT
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Amazing block by Dorsey
These guys are freaks.
Wow from Rose. Game over.
by awiggo on Apr 5, 2008 7:01 PM CDT 0 recs
wow
Memphis has really controlled this entire second half. They've essentially neutralized Collison entirely. If they hold on to win, they've earned a shot at the national title. Peaking at the right time of year, to say the least.
by junglerules on Apr 5, 2008 7:04 PM CDT 0 recs
WOW!
They just can't handle the Memphis Speed.
Impressive.
by Paragon SC on Apr 5, 2008 7:07 PM CDT 0 recs
Regardless of whether it is KU or NC
there's going to be some speed and length on the floor on Monday.
by whills on Apr 5, 2008 7:10 PM CDT 0 recs
It would be awesome
for both DJ/James to come back. What Memphis type teams would we have to worry about next year? KU will be much worse, UCLA will probably lose Love and Westbrook, etc.
If they come back, we'd probably win the Big 12 and definitely get to a Final Four at least.
by goingforthecorner on Apr 5, 2008 7:13 PM CDT 0 recs
okay, i changed my mind
I thought DJ played his way out of the lottery against memphis, but after seeing what memphis just did to collison, i think memphis is just a freak show of a team.
he's gone.
by billyzane on Apr 5, 2008 7:21 PM CDT 0 recs
yeah
I'd be completely shocked if DJ came back. I'm just hoping James stays,at least. If so, we should be top 15 or so to start next year.
by junglerules on
Apr 5, 2008 7:22 PM CDT
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Another dominant win
Memphis just making great teams look silly, game after game. I do like KU-UNC winner to be a better match up against the Tigers than anyone they've seen to date, though.
by PB @ BON on Apr 5, 2008 7:23 PM CDT 0 recs
you know why i like memphis?
no big white guys for announcers to excessively fawn over.
if it ends up being a Kansas/Memphis final, who will billy packer fellate on air? sasha kaun?
by billyzane on Apr 5, 2008 7:24 PM CDT 0 recs
Bill Self rambling
This is the worst pregame speech I've ever heard.
Hands in his pockets? Hoping for things to happen? Weird.
by PB @ BON on Apr 5, 2008 7:43 PM CDT 0 recs
re: White guy commentary
PB, do we need a drinking game for Hansbrough "tenacious" references?
by horndude on Apr 5, 2008 7:50 PM CDT 0 recs
Ugh
Let's just be grateful Jay Bilas isn't calling the game, so he couldn't do it all so smugly.
by PB @ BON on
Apr 5, 2008 7:58 PM CDT
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Good start for KU
Making Hansbrough play defense and working the high-low really well early.
Lawson struggling to get good looks as well.
by awiggo on Apr 5, 2008 8:06 PM CDT 0 recs
Underrated
KU's ability to get steals doesn't get talked about enough. Those guards are ferocious and the big men are great athletes.
by PB @ BON on
Apr 5, 2008 8:08 PM CDT
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Bad Foul by Kaun
Gotta force Hansbrough to make that one. At the line, he's deadly.
by awiggo on Apr 5, 2008 8:13 PM CDT 0 recs
Kansas in the half-court
is the best in the country. Their guards can get to the paint or knock down the three. And their posts are excellent passers, finishers, and rebounders.
If UNC doesn't score fast break points, they are not going to beat KU.
by awiggo on Apr 5, 2008 8:16 PM CDT 0 recs
Kansas is on Fire!
UNC looking sloppy
by Paragon SC on Apr 5, 2008 8:17 PM CDT 0 recs
Wow,
I just mentioned the KU offense, but their D is phenomenal as well.
by awiggo on Apr 5, 2008 8:19 PM CDT 0 recs
Much better D there on Tyler
Make him knock down contested jumpers. Don't foul.
by awiggo on Apr 5, 2008 8:22 PM CDT 0 recs
and we beat them when they were
on fire
man i miss horns basketball already :-(
by abcdmetrius on Apr 5, 2008 8:22 PM CDT 0 recs
Lawson
ripped by Robinson at full speed. Fantastic D continues.
by awiggo on Apr 5, 2008 8:23 PM CDT 0 recs
Finals
If KU keeps this kind of play up it should make a for a really entertaining finals against Memphis. Ridiculous quickness by both teams.
by dtc on Apr 5, 2008 8:24 PM CDT 0 recs
Roy Williams
Watching him shake his head is very enjoyable for the Duke part of my basketball fandom.
by awiggo on Apr 5, 2008 8:28 PM CDT 0 recs
38-12. Just had to get that on the board.
Awesome attack. And I smile every time I think about the Horns beating KU. Damn, there is some residual sweetness there.
by whills on Apr 5, 2008 8:32 PM CDT 0 recs
Very, very impressive
Kansas looks unbelievable. WOW!!
The Big XII may get their first bball national championship ever on Monday night.
Also, Cole Aldrich has come a long way this year. I was not impressed with him at all in Nov and Dec. Now, he looks like he'll be a key player next year and a definite issue for the Longhorns in years to come.
by awiggo on Apr 5, 2008 8:32 PM CDT 0 recs
Uhh
Just saying, he's had a bucket, a block, and a steal since my post.
Just missed an easy one, though.
by awiggo on
Apr 5, 2008 8:39 PM CDT
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Question. In the pre-game write ups
wasn't it stressed that Texas had to keep up with KU, not just running but shooting, because typically they started with their hair on fire.
We did the first game, and the second until the final few minutes when we went cold.
NC never got out of the blocks. Either they didn't know this - or they were not ready from the gitgo?
by whills on
Apr 5, 2008 8:42 PM CDT
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Yes, KU does usually start quickly but it's not like they slow down much after the opening minutes. They are just really, really good.
I thought we needed to slow the game down in Austin and in Kansas City b/c they are deeper than we are. Carolina's attack needed to be a little different. The Heels just aren't that great in the halfcourt. Roy's boys need fast break points to beat great teams. When UNC is able to run and when Hansbrough gets to the line 15+ times, they are almost unbeatable.
So far, neither of those things have occured. KU has been masterful on D, hasn't allowed UNC to get out on the break, and hasn't fouled Hansbrough but once.
Great gameplan so far from Self. Roy still looks stunned.
by awiggo on
Apr 5, 2008 8:47 PM CDT
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Thanks.
I remember about slowing things down but that didn't really happen much.
Great gameplan is right.
I like the look on his face. He could have stayed at KU and a Deluxe Royale.
by whills on
Apr 5, 2008 8:50 PM CDT
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Oh, don't do that.
It's not like they're unarmed. They can run with Kansas; the question is whether they can shoot like KU.
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