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McCoy Vs Chiles

Unforntunately we are going to have another famous Mack brown QB contaversy .

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Colt has been are starter for 2 years and is 10 touch downs away from The longhorn record. He has improved as a runner. .John Chiles has made a bunch of big plays but went 1-19 on the season passing and most of his big plays have been against Rice and Iowa state.I like colt better

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Who should start?
Colt McCoy
226 votes
John Chiles
24 votes

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Harris!! Harris!! Harris!!

Gets my vote for QB.  

Never fails though.  The back up QB is always the most popular player on the team.  

by DogTown on Apr 8, 2008 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No controversy, as long as Colt doesn't play like

Chance.

"So what if I'm tired? I can rest when I die." -- Major Applewhite

by the1austin on Apr 5, 2008 6:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

My apologies, I know Mock's Miracle against Tech

was a great Longhorn moment.  But when I think of him, the first thing that comes to mind is that every snap he took was another play where VY was somehow on the bench.

And I think of that first Arkansas game that killed the nation's longest home winning streak where he was throwing passes into the dirt.  

"So what if I'm tired? I can rest when I die." -- Major Applewhite

by the1austin on Apr 7, 2008 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im just saying...

In 2001, Chance recorded the most efficient year of quarterbacking possibly ever.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Apr 7, 2008 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We scored plenty....

....of points to win that Arkansas game. You can't hang that loss on Chance's shoulder.

That loss belongs to the defense that allowed Arkansas to repeatedly run right over their faces. Nutt's offense ran for 265 yards and over 35 minutes of TOP. Gosh that was an inept defense!

--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---

by HornChamps on Apr 7, 2008 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

why not both?

if we mix it up like we did in the bowl game, then there wont be a controversy.  but.... we shall see.

by the other Andrew on Apr 5, 2008 6:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Contraversy?

don't start that bullshit.  "Put Chiles in" fags can lick a sack, and you don't win the Big XII licking sack.  

by Tbone Stallone on Apr 5, 2008 6:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

judge's ruling?

Yes...i do believe this is a Tbone sighting.

As far as licking sack goes, OU would beg to differ.

atsmahboy Kelson

by BigTexBD on Apr 5, 2008 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

not even a question to me

Colt definitely, but as someone mentioned before, Chiles NEEDS to take some snaps, even just to run!

Colt has a decent skill set, I think.  He's solid and occaisionally makes really amazing plays.  And I don't think it takes a uber-elite QB to win a championship.  Look at OU (Huepal), LSU (Flynn, Mauk), Florida (Chris Leak), Tennessee (Tee Martin), Ohio St (krenzle).  None of these guys were NFL material, just reliable solid players.

by owenh on Apr 5, 2008 7:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

There's no controversy

since there hasn't been any speak yet of anyone but Colt starting.  And I agree with Tbone, with the addition that Chiles just ain't that great yet.  Let's stop trying to create trouble where there isn't any.  And with Major around, Colt could turn into something wonderful this year.

Honk if you're longhorny!

by Katie McBeast on Apr 5, 2008 7:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

In order for there to be a controversy

Chiles will need to complete a lot more than 5% of his passes.  

If the coaches actually do plan to turn him into a passer, I think they're going to wind up regretting burning his red shirt.

by learned hand on Apr 5, 2008 7:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The think that worries me about Chiles

is that if Colt should go down and we had to have Chiles in there all the time, could he do it? I don't think so. I think Sherrod would wind up being the every down QB and Chiles in the same role as now.

The kicker is if Chiles can't pass at 60%, the real minimum for most spread offenses, our offense is merely a shadow of itself.

If nothing resolves before the season starts, we need Chiles to throw about 20 passes against our first opponent. This is something that must be known.

by whills on Apr 5, 2008 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re:

Who is Russell Shepard?

My adopted kid is pure genius at the Black-Scholes Option Pricing Model.

by jc25 on Apr 5, 2008 10:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

can we wait...

until the O-line shows some improvement and gives Colt some time before we have him walk the plank?

Each and every one of ya'll saw what he did his freshman year behind Justin Blalock, Lyle Sendlein, and Kasey Studdard.

Mack is on a tear with possibly the biggest OL recruiting haul in school history.  Tray Allen, Kyle Hix, Michael Huey and Buck Burnette will all be big time linemen before it's all said and done!

My adopted son Sergio Kindle does not sleep; he waits.

by mvplonghorns on Apr 6, 2008 1:32 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

McCoy

Colt should be the starter, but the coaches have to have Chiles ready for when he has one of his horrible games or gets hurt. We can't judge S.Harris yet, because he hasn't played against any quality competition yet. I'm sure Chiles could complete some passes against a 3rd or 4th string defense.

I'm going to have to agree that we really don't need a GREAT QB to win a national championship again. We just can't have the QB lose the games for us. I think we can win a championship with any of the QB's we have, if the offensive coordinator uses them properly.

by Longhorns84 on Apr 6, 2008 8:11 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

So basically you're saying...

We'll never win one.

Go boom, mothers. Please, just go boom.

by Horn Brain on Apr 6, 2008 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I voted for Chiles

because word on the street is he's been drinking Powerthirst, which makes him ABNORMALY FAST!

In practice, Chiles was blasting through the D-line, and Greg Davis was like "sloooooooow down" and then Chiles was like "fuck you!" and then he kicked GD in the face with his ENERGY LEGS!

^ that's for you Bombilla

by goingforthecorner on Apr 6, 2008 4:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

All you Colt supporters

base your support of him on what?  Your love of the Holiday Bowl?  Or maybe it is the joy you get walking around the State Fair after the land theives beat the shit out of us?  Or is it the year-long shit we have to suffer through from the sheep fuckers after they kick our asses?  Which is it?  A vote for Colt means you must love at least one of the above.

At first I thought that the Colt supporters are just ignorant, or short-sighted.  But then I realized that it is neither.  You guys just don't care about Texas football.  You start each season hoping for mediocrity.  Beating OU and A&M really isn' that important to you, and you could give a shit less if we ever contend for (much less win) another championship.  

Face it, a vote for Colt is a vote for mediocrity.  Colt is simply average, and he will never be any more than that.  He has peaked.  

I personally am sick of loosing to A&M.  I'm sick of loosing to OU, and I'm sick of the Holiday Bowl. I want to give someone with some potential the chance to play instead of settling for average.

But, I know I'm just wasting my breath.  Mack and GD are gonig to stick with Colt instead of putting someone with talent in there.  Might as well book our flights for the Mack Brown Bowl again.  

by Texas Our Texas on Apr 6, 2008 9:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Rewriting History?

Usually it's Wells who points out such obvious changes in the facts.  Allow me to give it a try:

Or maybe it is the joy you get walking around the State Fair after the land theives beat the shit out of us?

Ummm, we beat OU in Colt's frosh year (2006).  And we lost by 7 points in a close game last year.

If you want to have an intelligent debate/discussion regarding an issue like this, then it is usually helpful to stick to what actually transpired.

Disclaimer: I may be wrong.

by Shake on Apr 7, 2008 7:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would have

but I was afraid BryklnHorn might come apologize for me  again and say everyone knows they beat the shit out of us.

by Wells on Apr 7, 2008 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's Part 1

Part 2 is for you to explain why we're better off with John Chiles as our QB. We're waiting...

by goingforthecorner on Apr 6, 2008 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Part 2

I never said we should start Chiles.  After watching the Orange/White game, I am thinking that Harris is the best choice, but I do believe either choice is better than Colt.

Saying that Chiles and Harris aren't ready is partially true.  It is true that they dont' have the experience that Colt does, but that alone isn't a reason to keep Colt over one of our other options.  These guys can't develop like they need to while sitting on the bench.

As I have said before, I am not declaring that Chiles (or Harris) will win us a Big 12 or MNC, but I am positive that Colt will not.  Ther is no potential left for Colt.  He has peaked.  He can do no better.  That is not the case with Chiles or Harris.

They both have room to grown and develop.  Colt does not.  So, the simple answer to your question of why we should start Chiles or Harris: because they have the potetial to be excellent QBs.  If want to go to the Big 12 or MNC again, then we have to get a decent quarterback some experience.  Sticking with Colt only delays the inevitable.

We have two options:

  1. Stay with Colt for the next 2 years and continue to be mediocre, while neglecting the development of QBs with talent, which would then put us in the same situation we are in today: talent without experience.  The difference is, in 2 years, these guys will only have a year (chiles) or two (Harris) left.  Not a lot of development time, servin only to delay development and our ability to compete for a title.
  1. Bench Colt, give Harris or Chiles some playing time, and give them the chance to develop.  This season may be rough (although I think it will be no worse than if we stick with Colt), but we will actually have a shot at the title in a year or two.  

And, as a side note for Shake, I know we beat OU in 2006.  I was there.  That doesn't change the fact that we loose to them all the time, and that we lost to them last year (was there for that too), and I am fairly certain we will loose to them again this year.  While 1 victory against OU is good, it doesn't excuse Colt's other spectacular blunders and failures.  

by Texas Our Texas on Apr 7, 2008 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Point made regarding the Fair

But you made the original statement (question?) in a paragraph asking why people support Colt.  So the context was completely wrong if you were attempting to refer the past x (10?) years of having a losing record to OU.

P.S.  Vince also only had 1 win against OU.  So it's not really the best measuring stick of a QB.

P.P.S.  If Colt peaked in his frosh year, then I'd gladly take 2 more years with that performance at the QB position.

Disclaimer: I may be wrong.

by Shake on Apr 7, 2008 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha
Start Chiles?  The guy is NOT ready.  I like him but right now he can't throw Period.  What are we gonna do? run on every snap, or throw those stupid quick outs?  No absolutely not.  Chiles starting at this point would be a disaster.  Sure that may work against the Iowa St's and such but, you cannot expect to beat OU by running the whole time.  Why didn't Chiles step in and win K St for us last year?  He basically played the whole 4th quarter.  Sherrod Harris? Maybe he can get the job done, but we dont know.  The best option available is Colt.  He's a proven commodity, you know what you can get out of him.  What were you thinking of Colt in 06 when he was setting records left and right? Ya I bet I have a pretty good idea...

And when it comes to losing games, everyone thinks, geez we need to score more points!  Uh how about some defense?  A&M burned us for 300 F*ing yards thru the air with Stephen McGee at QB.  I mean think about how utterly horrible the defense has been in the previous years.

If we go your route (throw in Sherrod/Chiles abruptly) its gonna be a painful learning process.  Hey it may eventually pay off, but if you're as loyal a fan as I am, are you really willing to endure the frustration, and losses?  I mean we are talking serious stuff.  It could be like 4-5 losses!  

by owenh on Apr 6, 2008 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hindsight

got a little too personal there.  I can see your perspective.  Im sure we've all had those forehead- slapping-God*amnit COLT! moments.  But look at the good and the bad and also take a look at other programs QB's.  Who would you put ahead of Colt?  I can only think of a few.  Pat White and Tim Tebow come to mind.  

by owenh on Apr 6, 2008 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK...

Do you seriously think that every problem we've had for the last two years could be solved by a QB with more talent?  The reason we've underachieved is softness.  No accountability, that sort of thing, remember?  Offensively, we'll always have that as long as Grampa-Greg Davis is wearing headphones unless Major takes on a head-slappin' role.  Defensively, we ought to get past that with Muschamp until he bolts to coach somewhere.  My point, though,  is that worse quarterbacks have won National Championships, and they will in the future.  The team lost the games you mentioned, led by the coaches.  Not the quarterback.  Suppose instead of Chiles and Harris we'd had VY II and III - We'd still have gotten it handed to us by A&M and OU, because we didn't play a lick of defense all year.

As I type this, other replies are filtering in, and I'd like to be clear that I'm not antagonizing you.  I just don't know why you've got this crazy hatred for all things Colt.

Go boom, mothers. Please, just go boom.

by Horn Brain on Apr 6, 2008 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You make a good point

I will admit that my frustration is still primarily with the coaching staff, well, mainly just GD.  I hate this attitude that because the guys are older, they should be playing.  We all know that is not necessarily the best option.

I have no hatred for Colt.  He seems like a nice kid, and I know he tries hard when he plays.  But for me, that is not enough to justify keeping him as the starter.  I care about winning.  I care about beating OU and A&M (and K-state).  And I want Texas to have another Big 12, and yes, another MNC.

With GD at the helm, Colt isn't good enough to get it done.  He doesn't have the raw physical ability to overcome GD's misserable coaching ability.  Whether or not you want to say VY overcame GD's retardation, or that GD adapted to VY, it just isn't going to happen with Colt.  Colt is average, and when already playing with the deck stacked against him, average just isn't going to get it done.  Since we can see he won't get it done, why not give someone else a chance?

by Texas Our Texas on Apr 7, 2008 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Since YOU can see...

The rest of us remember being set to play for the XII against Nebraska in '06, and possibly the BCS title in a rematch against tOSU had we just been given Selvin's TD at KSU and had a not-noodle-armed Colt against the Aggies.  We could have done it that year, and it wasn't Colt's fault that we didn't.  Actually it was probably because we didn't have Colt that we didn't get to the title game.  This year was a disaster, and we had no business winning any championships giving up 500 yards a game defensively, no matter who was running the offense.

Go boom, mothers. Please, just go boom.

by Horn Brain on Apr 7, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would agree

that Colt isn't the best quarterback to come through Texas.  But, he is our best option, and at worst a top 25 QB in the nation (probably top ten).  You've pointed out a problem, but not given a solution.  Likely, because there isn't one.  Are you suggesting we start Chiles?  As noted above, he has completed 5% of his passes.

The problem is that the best player to every play at UT, and possibly college football in general, happened to be an athletic quarterback.  It's easy to see similarities between Vince and the legions of athletic QB recruits that everyone covets.  The reality is that we will probably only see a handful of kids that talented in our lifetime.  I mean can you really see Chiles taking over a game like Vince used to?  Have you seen him pass?  Chiles needs to be used in some capacity, but he isn't the answer as the starter.  

by SuperHorn on Apr 7, 2008 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't disagree

with your statement that Colt is among the top 25 best quarterbacks in the nation, but how many people here would be happy if we were the 25th ranked team?  No one.  Texas demands, and deserves, more.  

I again ask, what about Harris?  

Also, if I agree that Chiles "isn't ready," then how can he get ready without getting some experience?  

And, to all of those that say Colt is our best option, do you really believe he can bring us a title?  Honestly?  If you answer yes, then how?  Are you holding out hope that he will make some sort of 180 from last year?  Then, at what point do we pull him if he doesn't show improvement from last year?

If your answer is no, then how can you possibly justify keeping him?  The title should be the goal, and if Colt can't get it, then there is no reason to keep him in.

My biggest problem is what seems like a blind following.  What does Colt have to do to convince you that he shouldn't start?  What does Harris or Chiles have to do to convince you that they should start?

(and btw, these questions are open and not directed solely at SuperHorn)

by Texas Our Texas on Apr 7, 2008 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

One more thing,

remember how we said VY couldn't throw when he started?  He learned.

by Texas Our Texas on Apr 7, 2008 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

re: vy

he looked a LOT better than chiles at this point of his career

by vy til i die on Apr 7, 2008 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

To answer your big question...

... Yes, see 2006.  I have yet to see how a healthy Colt in any way would have prevented us from playing for the two titles that you say he can't get us to.  Despite having no proven playmakers in the WR corps, I think Colt will surprise a lot of people, again, this year, behind a better O-line and a defense that actually practices tackling.  Nearly setting the record for passing yards in a season is pretty good for a bad year, I wouldn't be surprised if he passes it this year.

Go boom, mothers. Please, just go boom.

by Horn Brain on Apr 8, 2008 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

RE 2006

I will agree that I thought he looked pretty good in 06.  You can't blame that K-State loss on him or the offense.  We scored plenty of points, but our D couldn't hold them for shit.

The a&m game that year was a different story.  That was Colt's fault.  7 points on offense is a complete and total failure.  Now, in all honesty, I blame the coaches for that game as much as I do Colt.  Colt should never have played in that game, or at the very least, after a quarter of watching him, he should have been pulled.  Colt's playing lost the game, but he was obviously hurt and shouldn't have been in to begin with.  

I just can't see him returning to his pre-K-state 06 days.  I can't argue with your statistics, but I just look at results.  I could care less what passing records he sets from having 500 yard games against South Eastern Lousiana State Tech, then following it up by throwing 6 interceptions against real teams.  I want to see him win games for us, but I will settle for him not losing games for us.

I hope you're right, because it means a trip to the Big 12 and MNC for me, but I just don't see him making improvements.  Would you say that he should be pulled if he doesnt show improvement through the first few games of the season? (especially considering that they are cream-puff teams)  

by Texas Our Texas on Apr 8, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: should he be pulled...

Well, obviously if he's on track to throw 18 INTs again after OOC play he should be seriously re-evaluated.  I don't think that he'll struggle as much as he did last year, but without JC to take over in the running game he may.  If he struggles, I think we should see more Chiles/Harris, but I doubt they would do much besides struggle themselves.  We're screwed if Colt throws tons of INTs again this year.  I just think the circumstances will be such that that won't happen.

Go boom, mothers. Please, just go boom.

by Horn Brain on Apr 8, 2008 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he can't carry the load alone

When I choose Colt I don't mean he's gonna take us to a national championship or big12 cg.  Unless your VY, you cannot single handedly win a championship.  

Compare the 2006 season with the 2007 season:

2006:
Veteran Offensive line-14 sacks
big time receiver
Average Defense

2007:
Porous offensive line-24 sacks, numerous pressures(we all saw the games)
Short, slow receivers
Terrible Defense

As far as how long will I give McCoy before I come calling for his head?  We'll see this season.  THe question will answer itself.

And your expectations...please, Im sorry but Texas doesnt have the guns to win it all in 08.  They could be solid, but lets be realistic. The O-line will be ok (supposedly).  McCoy will be McCoy for better or worse.  The RB's are all unproven.  THe WR are reliable but not gamebreakers.  On defense, were rebuilding the front four (could be trouble.) The linebackers should be good.  THe secondary, while young and fast, will most likely be embarrassed at various times throughout the year.

Not to mention the schedule!

by owenh on Apr 8, 2008 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Minor Correction

I never said we could/would win it all in 08.  I don't think we can.  I do think that we should be able to win it all in a year or two, but only with a quality QB.  My point was that keeping Colt in this year and next means a 1st year QB for 2010.  I think that is a serios problem, and the best reason for giving Harris/Chiles more experience.  It is specifically because I think we can't win in 2008, no matter what, that I want to plan for the future by benching Colt.

by Texas Our Texas on Apr 9, 2008 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

With our soft OOC schedule, anything is possible.

Just saying, I don't think we will do it either, but stranger things have happened.  OU should be damn good.  KU and MiZZOU are on the schedule.  We run the table with that Big 12 schedule, we would be in.

That said, I think we lose at least 2 Big 12 games and wouldn't be surprised if Arkansas came to town and beat us.

"So what if I'm tired? I can rest when I die." -- Major Applewhite

by the1austin on Apr 9, 2008 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wha?

Who is going to generate the offense for Arkansas?

They were a two-headed one trick pony that lost their coach, and their playmakers.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Apr 9, 2008 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldnt be so confident though

If Texas struggled against the likes of UCF and Ark St last year, what makes you think things are gonna be different.  Personally, ya we SHOULD beat arkansas.  But weve seen this Texas team too much to expect anything.  And I think Florida Atlantic will give us a run for our money too.  They're not the bumbling punching bag they used to be.

by owenh on Apr 9, 2008 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Arkansas will play UT the way A&M plays UT:

Tough.  The Razorbacks always play UT Close, even when they are unranked and we are in the Top 10.  They bring in a senior QB who has a good arm and decent receivers.  

We almost lost to Arkansas State... remember?  I honestly thing we win this game, I was only saying that it wouldn't surprise me if we lost this one.  This Arkansas team at its worst can still be better then UCF and Arkansas State last year.  

"So what if I'm tired? I can rest when I die." -- Major Applewhite

by the1austin on Apr 10, 2008 3:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

actually

this makes a lot of sense.  I see you're of the bite the bullet mentality, might as well take our lumps now, but be better off later.  

by owenh on Apr 9, 2008 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

Getting to where we can win titles has been my main focus all along, and since 2008 can likely hand us 2, 3, or even 4 losses (no matter what we do at QB), why not get a new QB some playing time to get him ready for the future when we have a legit chance of contending?

by Texas Our Texas on Apr 9, 2008 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't VY and Simms

indicate that Mack and GD have no problem replacing the incumbent QB if they think the younger one has a better shot at getting it done?

by Wells on Apr 7, 2008 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem with throwing Colt under a Bus

Is that Greg Davis is the one driving.

You're right, Colt is Average.  The larger issue is that Colt is very representative of the "average" QB top programs have to build around.  He was ranked as a 4 star according to Scout, 14th overall QB in the country, and a 3 Star according to Rivals, 15th pro style in the country.

Just eyeballing it quickly, in any given year there are an average of about 4-5 5 star QBs, who represent who we're thinking of when we think "able to overcome Greg Davis's lack of imagination through God given talent".  
Often 1-2 of them are statues (Mallet, Clausen, Stafford) who may be even less suited to the only kind of offense GD has ever been good at calling (spread option) than Colt.  You can pretty much count on another one of them flaming out (Morelli, Xavier Lee, Perriloux, Kyle Wright), through a combination of not adjusting to the college game, or being an idiot.  Sometimes both.

If you can't consistently win with second tier QBs, the guys from about 6-20, you'll be in a lot of trouble.  USC is the only programs that jumped out as being able to recruit 5 stars consistently, but they're not the only consistently successful team.

That's not to say that I don't want to give someone else a chance.  I hope the competition is WIDE open for QB, and every other spot.  But as many folks have said around here lately, VY isn't walking through the door.  Whoever wins the QB job is more likely to be "average" than a Heisman candidate, so lets hope that Major makes a difference.

by learned hand on Apr 7, 2008 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right Now Colt is Best for the team, but let's

face it, if Colt had an elite, highly touted, Parade All-American, QB behind him a la Chance with VY he would be toast.

He would have been toast after the KSU home game last year when he couldn't get the ball over the D-Line.  He would have really been toast for losing to A&M in consecutive years.  Chance got like three starts, after the Arkansas loss (against a good, SEC Team, with a freak athlete QB who tore our defense to shreds) we all gave up on him and cried bloody murder for VY.

Nobody has benefited more from Top QB's passing on attending Texas than Colt.  If Brantley was here, we'd all want him to be the starter.  Most of us wanted it with Chiles, but we soon saw that he was not nearly ready to play and his running, while great, is not magnificent enough to carry him alone.  

If Perriloux had come here, he would have replaced VY.  Had Brantley come here, we'd have called for  him after Colt's KSU meltdown last season.  Colt is unlike any player I've ever seen. He's just good enough to keep away elite prospects, which entrenches him even deeper as the starter, but not good enough to whole heartedly earn the respect and trust of the Longhorn faithful.  With Colt its two steps forward (C'mon he's had some GREAT moments here like at Tech his Frosh Year, beating OU) but then one gigantic step back right when he's almost won you over (Second KSU game, both A&M games).

"So what if I'm tired? I can rest when I die." -- Major Applewhite

by the1austin on Apr 7, 2008 11:31 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good Post

Completely agree with the last paragraph.

by SuperHorn on Apr 7, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

To be fair

Whole heartedly earning the respect and trust of the longhorn faithful has only been done by two QBs in longhorn history, and they both won national championships.

by Wells on Apr 7, 2008 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only in hindsight

there were plenty of longhorns in the Chris Simms camp, not that any of them will admit it now.

by Wells on Apr 7, 2008 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whoa now, Wells. Get offa that cloud.

I don't see no Duke Carlyle (and his back-up, the passer Tommy Wade who saved a certain A&M game) who led Texas to the first national championship. And I guarantee you the Duke got the respect.

And then there's Bobby Layne, who did earn the VY level of respect and a first round NFL draft pick, but no NC. Some 21 players from 1947-48 were NFL picks, including three first rounders (Lane, Max Bumgardner and Hub Bechtol) and a scrawny RB taken down the way down the line, Tom Landry, who would change the way the NFL played defense and also coached a little.

And no one ever mentions Eddie Phillips, the QB the year after James Street when the Horns were voted National Champions of the regular season after stretching their winning streak to 30. Phillips was drafted in the fourth round, Street never was drafted at all. Ouch.  

So, it's not always about national championships or the NFL. And this wave of adulation has been rolling a long, long time. The modern era with such a cacophony of sports news sources just amplifies much greater than earlier eras, but on a relative basis, it was much the same.

by whills on Apr 8, 2008 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Once again

I show my ignorance for UT football before the 80s.  Thanks you for the education.

by Wells on Apr 8, 2008 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's ok.

I get to show my ignorance all the time.

by whills on Apr 10, 2008 1:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So what happens next year

when Colt is prepping for his senior year and a young stud named Garret Gilbert steps onto campus?

Plain and simple, at the moment, there is NO better option at QB for our beloved Longhorns than Colt.  There is also no more loved player for our Longhorns than the back-up QB.

Besides, I fully believe that Colt will be back on track this year after getting kicked around behind a make-shift and inexperienced O-Line last year.  That is, if Major can in fact coach RBs to find a hole and hang onto the ball.

by the usual suspects on Apr 7, 2008 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

About Gilbert...

So what happens next year when Colt is prepping for his senior year and a young stud named Garret Gilbert steps onto campus?

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In addition, knowing that John Chiles is emphatic about playing the QB position, why would he sit here and wait for the above to occur? Mack and Davis have finally made their choice of the offense for the future. Personally, I don't see how John Chiles fits into that plan.

--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---

by HornChamps on Apr 8, 2008 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does this.....

.....mean Mack didn't mean it when he said all positions were open? Seriously. When you call for competition at all positions, then you better deliver. Anything less causes a team to question whether a HC really means comments of the future.  

--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---

by HornChamps on Apr 7, 2008 6:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good point. One Mack could get burned on

if the right circumstances should occur.

In reading Bill Little's minor epistle about the off season, what came through was that there had been a sea change. Whatever the alums and rich fire breathers said to Mack, it has changed the ethic and process of his coaching.

There's not much talk about a big huggy family, much more about personal responsibility and fight for positions, commitment and sacrifice for the team, and football as an endurance sport.

So, I think you're right. The price of poker has changed, the ante has gone up, and that's the real lead-in to August. And Mack is putting much more on the line.

by whills on Apr 7, 2008 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This thread is nuts...

... there's still 2 new comments every time I refresh the BON homepage.  Colt12 may not have given us much to start with, but boy did we take off and run with it.

Go boom, mothers. Please, just go boom.

by Horn Brain on Apr 8, 2008 10:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Your Welcome

i didnt expect such a debate

by colt12 on Apr 9, 2008 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's because you haven't been around very long

Your next two diaries should be about a) Greg Davis sucking/not sucking and b) our football team's SOS sucking/not sucking. You will have then completed the trifecta of most divisive issues in the Burnt Orange Nation.

So take that.

by Kahuna on Apr 9, 2008 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

THANK YOU!!!!

finally some football talk.

by Hook'em13 on Apr 9, 2008 7:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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