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Kansas Wins National Title: Three Questions

Congratulations to Kansas for an exciting come-from-behind win to take down Memphis. Three questions to conclude the night:

  1. Sorta funny, isn't it, that Memphis lost because of the one weakness (free throw shooting) the mainstream press was focused on but which they seemed to have overcome in their five previous tournament games?
  1. Has any team won a national title with a coach dressed in an uglier tie than that which Bill Self donned tonight?
  1. If you're Bill Self and you've delivered what you were brought to Kansas to deliver... do you take the wheelbarrow of T Boone gold and go to your alma mater?

--PB--

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gotta go study!

by vy til i die on Apr 7, 2008 11:28 PM CDT   0 recs

3 questions
  1.  Well, the one thing even my sports-challenged better half seemed to  understand about this game was that it is more difficult making FTs in a  close national championship game than it is when leading by double digits in  a blowout.
  1.  I started wearing ties in the late 70's and as such may have developed  skewed fashion judgment in the eyes of this younger community, but I saw  nothing wrong at all with Coach Self's tie.
  1.  As the Beach Boys sang, "...be true to your school, just like you would to  your girl or guy, be true to your school, and let your colors fly..." - in other  words, always return to your alma mater.

by BFAUT86 on Apr 8, 2008 12:00 AM CDT   0 recs

3 questions
  1. Just goes to show that sooner or later your weaknesses will cost you the thing you value the most. You must work on them and overcome to ascend the mountain top.
  1. Ties. Bah, like kissing your sister anyway.
  1. I don't think I'd have a choice. Otherwise, my wife would kick my ass. Besides, Lawrence or Stillwater. It's a wash, ain't it?
Go Big Red Nebraska!
Corn Nation - Graduating more of our players than you are!

by cornnation on Apr 8, 2008 12:38 AM CDT   0 recs

What a crazy game...

... even though the ending was really dull for an OT NC game.

1.)  Where was this free throw failure against us?  Memphis made more FTs than they beat us by.  All I'm saying is it could have helped.

2.)  Who cares about his tie?  He gets to be a genius for the whole offseason even if he wore a sweatervest on top of a sweatshirt.  Hopefully the whole team goes pro and we have a shot in next year's XII title game.

3.)  Dick Rod says take the money, but he also says F your alma mater.  I say get the hell out of the Big XII.

All I can think about is that we beat the National Champions, but we couldn't even stay on the court with Memphis.  I wanted the rubber game!  Damn!

Go boom, mothers. Please, just go boom.

by Horn Brain on Apr 8, 2008 12:43 AM CDT   0 recs

great game!

I had a blast watching it, Congats to kansas

by blazzinken on Apr 8, 2008 12:53 AM CDT   0 recs

Self's tie

It might be ugly, but I bet you it's his very favorite one now.

Ryan Bailey is my hero, and also my child.

by Bdub on Apr 8, 2008 12:58 AM CDT   0 recs

Self to Okie St would be bad for us

If he goes to Stillwater, he'd compete for a lot of Texas kids that we're getting right now without a whole lot of competition. If we're not getting the best in Texas, then we're in trouble, because Barnes & Co. have shown no ability to recruit premium talent outside the state (with the notable -- and lone -- exception of #35).

Self staying at Kansas is much better for the long-term health of Longhorn hoops.

by JudenSmithFan on Apr 8, 2008 3:13 AM CDT   0 recs

OOS players
The majority of his players have been from Texas, but Barnes has recruited plenty of OOS players besides Durant.  PJ Tucker, Royal Ivey, Brandon Mouton and Mike Williams were all OOS players.  Heck a third of this years team was from OOS (Augustin, Chapman, Hill and Wangmene).  

As for Self, I can't imagine that he would go to Stillwater, but stranger things have happened.  It would be akin to a football coach leaving Alabama for a&M.

by SaintBevo on Apr 8, 2008 8:04 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

yea not sure what you're talking about

Almost all of our studs have been from out of state, as was mentioned below.

by Blitzburgh on Apr 8, 2008 10:46 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If Memphis managed to hang on...

do you think Self would've stayed at KU? Hypothetically if went went to OSU regardless of the outcome, that would probably signal Chalmers, Arthur, and Rush to all go pro in addition to the seniors, Jackson, Kaun, and Robinson.

Thankfully for the KU fans, they at least have this NC to be happy about if their program takes a turn to "rebuilding mode" in the offseason. If they didn't win this game and Self still left, they'd probably hate him like Roy Williams.

I do see that they have three solid recruits coming in next year in Morris, Thomas, and Releford (but they could transfer if Self leaves).

Self is a great recruiter, so he will make OSU a power again. Good for the Big 12, bad for us.

by goingforthecorner on Apr 8, 2008 3:33 AM CDT   0 recs

I guess I am the minority

I liked Self's tie.  At least he doesn't dress like Bruce Pearl.

And while I can't understand why anyone would leave Lawrence for Stillwater, I think it would be good all around.  I've posted before that I'd like to see a reinvigorated OSU.  It makes for a fun rivalry, gives us another team to challenge Kansas, another team to wipe out o.u. and the Ags, and strengthens the conference.  

As for recruiting, I noticed that of the 10 starters introduced last night, none was from Kansas, none (maybe one) from Tennessee.  This is a national sport.  I don't see the difference whether Self is recruiting out of Lawrence or out of Stillwater.  

by NYCHorn on Apr 8, 2008 7:33 AM CDT   0 recs

That's right

Self is already recruiting Texas - successfully.

One more question: Will Mario Chalmers ever have to purchase food in the state of Kansas again?

by beast in bama on Apr 8, 2008 7:53 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Chalmers

When I saw him taking that shot at the end of regulation, I knew he was going to make it.  That guy is CLUTCH.  I was horrified to learn he is only a jr.

by SaintBevo on Apr 8, 2008 8:05 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Chalmers

...the kid could even go to Kona Grill after hours and still get service (if Lawrence had one).  And that locaion would understandably deny any future altercations involving #15 ever occured.  

by Lincoln on Apr 8, 2008 1:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Why would he stay?

Obviously the money is huge, but that's not all it is.  Now that he's delivered, KU fans will just expect it again and again.  I'm not saying that its wrong to expect national championships, but that is a hell of a lot of pressure for a coach that is going to have to be rebuilding for at least the next year.  If it were me, OU lite here I come!

by PSUhorn on Apr 8, 2008 8:23 AM CDT   0 recs

if he leaves

it's just more of the arms race that is collegiate sports.

it matters. at some point, it will implode.

Go Big Red Nebraska!
Corn Nation - Graduating more of our players than you are!

by cornnation on Apr 8, 2008 1:25 PM CDT   0 recs

I disagree...to a degree

Yes, it's a lot of money.  But the fact that it's Self's (and his wife's) alma mater and near his hometown and family changes the situation a little bit.  If it was Kentucky throwing those numbers at him, then I'd agree.  Going home is a little different.

We'll carry the banner high!

by TB on Apr 8, 2008 1:33 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He can be the Dean Smith of KU, the Coack K of KU

now.  He can be the crazy old coach who wins so many games and brought the team a title (or two?) and gets to permanently burn his stamp on the program.  

He can reach a level at KU where he is so beloved that he can hire his not quite ready or qualified son to succeed him and nobody would complain until after he was dead or senile.

Face it, Bill Self is KU basketball now, and he will embrace that.  I say he stays for a long, long time...

He can finally say, Roy Who?

"So what if I'm tired? I can rest when I die." -- Major Applewhite

by the1austin on Apr 8, 2008 2:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Stay at KU

He'll always be remembered as the guy who brought the title back to Lawrence in fine fashion. He's a king in Kansas. Expectations will be enormous in Stillwater and if he doesn't win then he'll get blazed as a guy who bolted for money. Forget about his alma mater. It's a step down. Period.

It would be like Darrel Royal bolting Austin for his alma mater in Norman after 1969 title, and then not winning up there

"Excuse me while I whip this out."

by FreedomDip on Apr 8, 2008 2:59 PM CDT   0 recs

re: spelling

I don't mean to pick on you, but this the second time somebody has spelled DKR wrong today...it's Darrell..i know it's nitpicking, but it's not that hard

by vy til i die on Apr 8, 2008 3:33 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No worries

I didn't read half the posts in here today

Maybe I'm just thinking about his other brother Darrel

"Excuse me while I whip this out."

by FreedomDip on Apr 8, 2008 3:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Except when it's all about sex.

Now with money, sex and basketball out of the way, can we talk some football?

If Pickens is throwing that kind of money around for basketball, when's he going to get serious about OSU football?  Prognosis is not too good for 40-year-old millionaires.

by whills on Apr 8, 2008 8:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Stadium

Didn't he just give $100 million for the stadium? Maybe he will wait for the project to be completed before he brings in the new coach. Supposedly, he's also building a major athlete complex for housing and training his teams.

by Caradoc on Apr 9, 2008 1:12 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I heard on the radio

That T Boones big balls donation was $165 million (he has been a consummate donater even before this, to all areas of the school, not just athletics).

That sum was in the OSU coffers all of 10 hours, where it was then moved to a hedge fund managed completely by one, T Boone Pickens.

That fund is now reportedly worth over 300 million.

According to Houston Radio that is.  Speaking of, almost time for Rome!

by BoddickerIsClutch on Apr 9, 2008 10:56 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

re: Rome

Ree-Diculous...
Phuh-Nominal...
Count-Chocula...

Hate that guy.

Go boom, mothers. Please, just go boom.

by Horn Brain on Apr 9, 2008 11:02 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Eddie Sutton....

....took OU-Lite to a couple of Final-4 appearances. There is absolutely no reason Bill Self can't duplicate the same results.

I'm no fan of T.BoonePickens, but if he hangs a $6million signing bonus in front of Bill Self, then I can surely understand why Self would show an interest. Kansas can hardly complain. Bill Self delivered the Nat'l Championship Roy Williams never could bring home.

--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---

by HornChamps on Apr 8, 2008 9:58 PM CDT   0 recs

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