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So We All Gather Here For The Dearly Departed

In a just world, USC basketball would have something in common with SMU football in the near future.

The death penalty.

Pat Forde, ESPN.com, "USC, Tim Floyd Have No Excuse for Turning a Blind Eye"

Though there's much more in the column, the lead says it all. But is Pat Forde right?

Unsurprisingly, how you answer that question depends greatly on which section of the bleachers you occupy. From my perch, four points strike me worth raising:

1. Half the story is no story at all. At least facially, Pat Forde's argument stands on firm ground: "Repeat NCAA offenders get the death penalty. USC is a repeat offender. QED: USC deserves the death penalty."

But such an argument contains what I think to be a problematic assumed premise: that the universe within which this situation resides is orderly and systematic. Put another way, transgressions are defined not merely by that which the system prohibits, but also the extent to which the system enforces the rules.

And here, there's a case to be made that in the aggregate, factoring in all the elements of big money collegiate sports, the universe of NCAA amateurism oftentimes more approximates a Hobbesian state of nature than an ordered society governed by enforced rules. Whatever USC's sins in carelessness and stupidity, the more fundamental underlying issue - boosting amateurs - is one the NCAA has proven itself incapable of regulating with meaningful consistency. Thus, to the extent that the very concept of amateurism in the big money NCAA systems of football and basketball are a farce, eruptions of self-congratulatory finger-wagging at one particular transgressor - notable mostly for being so stupid as to be caught in the flimsiest of nets - seem a fine case of squaring the circle.

In that sense, mounting the pulpit to lecture exclusively about dropping the hammer on USC seems a bit like a team of doctors employing a tourniquet on a gushing artery without any discussion of, or plan to, operate thereafter. There is an important conversation to be had about the amateur athlete situation in big money sports, but it may be as much institutional (NCAA) as institutional (USC).

2. Yeah, but we won't. A real conversation about amateur athletes in money-making sports may well be in order, but don't hold your breath. Because such a conversation necessarily would include truthful, fair, and realistic discussion about race, class, and the entrenched interests the system already favors.

And though I'm not masochist enough to dive into that conversation in this space myself, I can guarantee that even the mere mention of the topic heats the blood of some folks straight to a boil.

Whether or not an in-depth conversation about such difficult topics is possible, for now it suffices to say that perhaps no entity contributes more to, or profits more from, the exploitation of amateur athletes than ESPN - a point I mention not to judge capriciously the merits and demerits of their business, but to suggest that this story is only partly about OJ Mayo, his shady handler, and USC. In a more robust dialogue about this complex issue, a thorough list of actors to subpoena would include the professional sports agencies who game the system, the NCAA who (through its inaction) lets them, and the broadcasting giants who derive profit from the very stardom/professionalism that they in large part create but which the rules purport to prohibit.

3. A penny for your thoughts, Mr. Garrett? Philosophical caveats acknowledged and filed in the record, this Mayo scandal is pretty damn entertaining. Whatever you think about sports amateurism and the regulation thereof, this particular episode of candid camera is irresistibly comical.

Imagine for a moment that you're USC's athletic director, Mike Garrett. To secure such a job undoubtedly means you have a better-than-average understanding of the collegiate athletics landscape in general, and the big money sports in particular. It would be impossible, then, to be unaware of all the leeches and opportunists crowded 'round the periphery of NCAA competition, eager, willing, and able to capitalize on the valuable commodity that is the future professional athlete.

Now imagine that OJ Mayo is headed to play basketball for your school. Yes, that OJ Mayo, whose NBA jersey your eight year old nephew included on his Christmas list assuming (not unreasonably) Mayo was already a pro.

After you finished trying to explain to your nephew that ESPN's coverage of an athlete was not, in fact, determinative of an athlete's professional status, you'd probably turn your attention to the question of OJ Mayo's impending year as a USC Trojan. You think you might spend some time putting together a plan to ensure this superstar's one year at USC wasn't a problematic one for the university?

Let's bypass answering that rhetorical question and put it to Mr. Michael Garrett himself: "Hey, Mike. Recent polls have shown that while 98 percent of Americans were able to predict that OJ Mayo would need some managing to keep separated from opportunists working for agents, only a fifth of Americans can find California on a map. What the hell happened here?"

Mike Garrett explains the OJ Mayo mess. Not enough maps, I'd say.

4. Stoning the enemy is always fun, even from a glass house. Across town from the unfolding South Central nightmare, the princes of Westwood are enjoying every salacious detail that emerges from this story. Understandably so. If asked to choose my five favorite days in BON history, I'd undoubtedly include among them the day Mr. Bomar pulled a Bomar. Indeed, there are few satisfactions as fulfilling as schadenfreudian satisfaction.

While I unequivocally enjoy a spring get-together amongst friends to stone the enemy during his weakest hour, it is rather amusing to watch such a stoning party break loose in a glass house (title-holder: Rick Neuheisel).

Though Bruins fans understandably have found their own way to make peace with Slick Rick's sketchy past, at least to this outsider, this point pretty well makes the case argued above: The haughtiness, be it from Pat Forde or a Bruins fan or anyone else, rings a bit hollow when the OJ Mayo case is viewed as a single wave in the stormy sea of NCAA regulatory dysfunction.

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I'm pretty sure there's more to this painting than that dot you're yelling about.

Those enjoying USC in crisis will have to forgive me for thinking the truly exceptional aspect of this case was the degree of arrogance and stupidity by which USC seems to have been operating.

As an example of the general dysfunction in the world of amateur athletes in big money sports, it appears to me a great deal closer to par for the course.

Not that we're likely to really talk about it.

Addendum: As bassale comments below: USC's screw up is "a pretty damn big dot," a point I don't disagree with. Two concluding follow-up notes, then:

First, the piece as a whole was an attempt to present the bigger context which remains (as yet) unspoken in the giddy-up to hang the Trojans.

And second, none of the above is to suggest USC shouldn't receive or won't deserve NCAA sanctions for this scandal.

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Two things

Two things make USC’s case different than any other run-of-the-mill agent scandal:

1. OJ Mayo’s runner, Rodney Guillory, already got former USC basketball player Jeff Trepagnier suspended in 2000 for agent contact. The school knew that, and Tim Floyd spoke to Guillory during the recruiting process so he knew that Mayo was connected to him.

Despite that knowledge, Floyd not only continued to recruit Mayo, but after landing him, he admonished the world for even suggesting Mayo might be tainted by agents already.

2. The Reggie Bush scandal. Specifically, the part where Yahoo! Sports reported that agents were in the USC football locker room and on the sidelines at practices and games. USC actually invited the foxes into the henhouse, and I can’t think of case where another school did that.

by Year2 on May 13, 2008 6:56 AM CDT   0 recs

I agree that it's different

While I certainly understand the contention that OJ Mayo represents just a dot in the painting of college sports scandals, I submit that it’s a pretty damn big dot, and it’s connected to another huge dot called Reggie Bush. The NCAA is between a rock and a hard place on this one. They can’t “drop the hammer” with USC because they’ve got too much to lose. But they can’t do nothing because it would essentially be a green light for every other major program in America to do whatever the hell they please and just claim institutional ignorance when they get caught.

But the NCAA set a dangerous precedent with Oklahoma. The Sooners were already on probation when the Big Red Sports and Imports thing went down. Instead of getting a serious punishment as a repeat offender, they lost 2 scholarships and were put on double secret probation.

What infuriates me about the whole thing is the message that it sends. USC and Oklahoma are arguably the two most successful football programs in the country over the past 5 years or so. They have an unlimited supply of 5-star athletes, and we’re beginning to understand why. The NCAA, with its non-punishments, is basically encouraging illegal recruiting practices, and the benefits of participation in such practices far outweigh the risks, which makes it increasingly difficult for clean programs to keep playing by the rules.

I don’t think the “exploitation of amateur athletes” by ESPN or any other entity has anything to do with their decisions to become involved in things like this. These kids are incredibly selfish and arrogant individuals who care only about themselves and what they stand to gain. They think they are untouchable. They know the rules, and they willingly break them and then refuse to cooperate with investigations into their misconduct. THEY are exploiting the NCAA and their university just as much as they are being exploited BY the NCAA and their university.

by bassale47 on May 13, 2008 8:38 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

NCAA

The NCAA won’t drop the hammer on USC because it hasn’t made an official judgment on the Reggie Bush case. Until and unless the school is found culpable for something with Bush, it can’t be a repeat offender for OJ Mayo.

Really, what happened at USC and OU with Bomar are not as bad as or on par with Oklahoma under Switzer, Miami in the 1980s, Florida under Charley Pell, or the Free Shoes U episode at Florida State. The penalties there were wide-ranging, from OU being put on the doorstep of the death penalty to Florida being stripped of its 1984 SEC title to probation for FSU and Miami.

I would disagree with your characterization of all athletes. Some of them fit your description, and some don’t. During the Foot Locker episode at FSU, Charlie Ward famously refused gifts while many of his teammates did not. For the a lot of the rest of them, it was a crime of opportunity, not something they planned. Tim Tebow uses his breaks from school to help at his family’s orphanage in the Philippines. There are good and bad guys just like any other segment of the population.

by Year2 on May 13, 2008 10:04 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree with you both

And in a more nuanced (even longer) post, I’d have better expressed that.

But I was trying to make the points yet unspoken in the giddy-up to hang USC: (1) it’s (at least in some part) only a huge scandal because we don’t know about all the others that never happen to be investigated by Outside the Lines, and (2) there’s more to this than USC/OJ MAYO BAD. The whole system’s more f-ed up than we typically talk about.

--PB--

by PB @ BON on May 13, 2008 10:19 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I didn't say all athletes are that way

I was referring to the Mayos and the Bushes and others who knowingly break the rules and then pretend to be the victims.

I’m also well aware that Oklahoma has a sordid history of cheating that goes back much farther than Bomar, et al. But the precedent I was talking about is the fact that OU was already on probation when they were investigated for the Big Red Sports incident, and the NCAA did nothing but give them further probation and take away a couple of scholarships. That pretty much guarantees that any wrong-doing on the part of USC will be similarly excused.

And by “drop the hammer,” I don’t necessarily mean the death penalty. The NCAA has conveniently avoided ruling on the Bush fiasco so that USC would not even be eligible for it. And I don’t think they’ll ever administer it again to any major program because of what it did to SMU football. It will always be out there. It will always be talked about, and some poor school that never had a chance at success anyway will get blown to bits with it one of these days, but it will never happen to a “BCS” school ever again.

by bassale47 on May 13, 2008 10:23 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed

We’ll never see another death penalty.

by Year2 on May 13, 2008 2:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Big School Exceptionalism.

Where have we seen that before?

If it’s not prosecuted, does it not exist?

by whills on May 14, 2008 1:39 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Coming soon to a blog near you: why the NBA should model its draft after the NHL’s draft, and why this would be good for both the NBA and NCAA basketball.

by Richard Pittman on May 13, 2008 7:04 AM CDT   0 recs

Let's talk about it

Since this is the ‘off season’ for BON, why don’t we have that discussion of amateurism you say has been avoided. If our good moderators will set some boundaries and perhaps intervene if necessary, I’m sure we BONers can keep our passions in check. So what about it?

Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.

by Caradoc on May 13, 2008 9:21 AM CDT   0 recs

Off-the-wall thought...

Just asking a (not so) innocent question…what are the odds that the recruitment of Kevin Durant (or Greg Oden, or Michael Beasley, or Derrick Rose, etc., etc., etc.) were handled in the exact same way?

by jc25 on May 13, 2008 9:27 AM CDT   0 recs

NONSENSE!!!

And to suggest such is asinine and ludicrous! This only happens at USC, cant you see that?

Horizontalism is its own reward.

by bendj on May 13, 2008 9:53 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think in some cases, it's valid

I would not be at all surprised to learn that there was something underhanded going on with Michael Beasley’s recruitment, based on who the coach was and the fact that this is a kid who could have gone anywhere, and he chose a school in the middle of nowhere, with no basketball history, that he had never been to and didn’t even have a clue where in Kansas in was located. There are reasons to believe that he might have been persuaded to sign with the Wildcats with something other than words. I’m not accusing him of that because there is no evidence, at least not yet, of any wrong-doing that would label him as a cheater. I’m just saying I wouldn’t be surprised.

And please do not ever compare Kevin Durant to OJ Mayo, Reggie Bush, or any other cheater. He is easily one of the most stand-up athletes the University of Texas has ever had. He has done things for the sake of this university and the basketball program that he did not have to do and that many athletes of his caliber would not have done. And none of them include refusing to cooperate with NCAA investigations into his misconduct.

by bassale47 on May 13, 2008 10:14 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Happens more often than you think.

I think, only, a naive ‘Horn fan thinks that shady stuff does not happen at Texas. I bet it happens as much as any school. While I think we run a really clean program, runners and boosters do get involved with our athletes. Its just the way the game is played.

by longhornboy on May 13, 2008 8:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No grounds for death penalty

Unless the NCAA has changed the criteria for shutting down a sport (i.e., death penalty), USC is no danger of receiving the death penalty. Further, the NCAA has shown a lack of desire to use the death penalty. The NCAA chose not to shut down Alabama’s and Texas A&M’s football teams despite eligibility to receive the death penalty. Even if USC were eligible for the death penalty, the NCAA most likely would not use it.

USC has not been found guilty of any wrong doing by the NCAA. Everyone concerned in the Reggie Bush matter appears sleazy including USC. OJ Mayo represents more sleaze. USC may be operating a sleazy athletics department. Running a sleazy athletics department does not translate into major NCAA sanctions.

In the 1990s, the NCAA shifted from heavy sanctions to light or no sanctions especially if the school punished itself. Minnesota had a massive cheating program involving its men’s basketball team. Texas Tech had major violations involving the loss of institutional control. Both programs were given relative wrist slaps.

The Michigan men’s basketball team best exemplifies the NCAA’s approach to enforcement. Over many years, players associated with a suspected gambler. Cars and money (thousands of dollars) were given to players. This same scenario involved the UNLV men’s basketball team a few years prior to Michigan’s.

UNLV was banned from the NCAA post-season. Michigan received no such punishment.

The NCAA will not lay hand on USC unless evidence from a trial becomes available. Then, the NCAA will have no choice but to take away a scholarship or two from USC.

by milevin on May 13, 2008 9:37 AM CDT   0 recs

Actually We Self-Imposed a Post Season Ban

Here’s a brief summary of the Michigan sanctions:

• Forfeiting all games won while the four players were ineligible, including the 1992 and 1993 Final Fours, the entire 1992–93 season, and all the seasons from fall 1995 through spring of 1999. The University has removed four championship banners that were hanging in Crisler Arena, and will excise mention of any victories from all programs and written materials

• Repaying to the NCAA about $450,000 the University received for postseason play with those ineligible players

• Declaring the men’s basketball team ineligible to participate in the 2003 NCAA Division I Men’s Basketball Championship Tournament, as well as the 2003 National Invitational Tournament

• Placing the basketball program on probation for two years, during which time the president will supervise detailed reports on compliance to be made to the NCAA Athletic Director Bill Martin said the current investigation, conducted jointly with the NCAA, involved additional interviews with former Athletic Department staff, coaches and assistant coaches.

I believe we also lost a scholarship or two, but I could be wrong. Ed Martin, the evil Michigan booster, gave an estimated $616,000.00 in “loans” to a handful of Michigan basketball players over the 1990s. The result was serious sanctions, coming up short of the death penalty. Honestly, it was pretty damn close to the DP. Frankly the team and program have never recovered.

Like you said, USC’s consciously allowing a sleazy guy near the program is bad, but it doesn’t even scratch the surface of what went on at Michigan, further, it’s not even on the same planet as the infractions that went on at SMU in the 1980’s. The details are on my site, so I’ll pass on recanting them here. In sum, this “scandal” is nothing in comparison to the other infractions you listed off and I think everyone needs to look at those cases before rushing to find a guillotine.

On a side note, the earlier contention that no other school is inviting the foxes into the hen house doesn’t sit well to me. EVERYONE is inviting the foxes into the hen house. Look at the recruitment of Terrel Pryor, Derrick Rose, or any number of high profile high school athletes. Everyone is willing to take that chance so long as the kid performs on the field. USC just took a bigger chance than perhaps they should’ve, but point me to a school that would’ve turned Mayo away.

by Maize n Brew Dave on May 13, 2008 10:38 AM CDT to parent up   1 recs

The issue with illegal recruiting in Basketball and Football...

A key point that I havent really heard discussed is the primary difference between Basketball and Football Recuiting.
AAU Basketball is one of the more corrupt form of amateur sports in the world. That is a business that is dominated by shoe companies (Adidas/Nike) and dominated by the agents who influence those AAU teams. Forde during his article made a really good comment, that when Sonny Vaccaro is muscled out you know serious money is being thrown around. So when you look at AAU basketball a lot of the money being tossed around is primarily for getting the kid to sign with a specific agent/shoe company out of college.
Now with Football its different; the majority of the money being tossed around isn’t so a kid will sign with a agent or shoe company its so they will sign with a college. This is an issue that is pervasive throughout all of college football it happens at A&M, Florida, LSU and EVEN Texas. The type of money that is throw around so a kid will sign and then commit to a certain university is more than some of our salaries in a year. There isn’t a college in the land that isn’t guilty of it.
What it comes down to is this: If the NCAA actually enforced its rules and hunted down all the violators we would be watching Duke play Navy in the MNC and the NCAA would have killed its cash cow.

by K2HMFIC on May 13, 2008 12:24 PM CDT   0 recs

so

the ultimate solution to this is to hope that the NBA collapses under it’s own weight in the long run, or would that have any effect on the system?

Go Big Red Nebraska!
Our Cobs Are Bigger Than Yours!

by corn blight on May 13, 2008 12:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Modest proposal

Here’s a thought on how the system might be reformed to everyone’s advantage.

First, allow the NBA to draft any player at any age, paying the same money as they do today. However, until the players turn 21, they are only allowed to play in a ‘rookie’ league. Team USA will be drawn from this league.

Second, require players going to college to sign a four year contract, receiving a ‘scholarship’ consisting of tuition and a generous stipend, which will be the same for all players at all schools and funded out of TV money.

Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.

by Caradoc on May 13, 2008 1:28 PM CDT   0 recs

by the title of that post

i thought you were going to suggest eating babies. which is wrong, despite the fact that a young healthy child well nursed, is, at a year old, a most delicious nourishing and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled, and will equally serve in a fricassee, or a ragout.

by billyzane on May 13, 2008 1:45 PM CDT to parent up   2 recs

BZ

Epic Jonathan Swift Reference

Living vicariously through Deon Beasley

by inVINCEable on May 13, 2008 2:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yum

All the necessary nutrients in exactly the right proportions.

Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.

by Caradoc on May 14, 2008 12:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don’t know if drastic action like that is necessary. A rookie league is unnecessary because the 18-21 year olds who can play will be in the NBA and those that can’t play can be sent to the D-League.

I think something like what baseball has would be fine. If you want to go pro out of high school, then go pro. That prevents the OJ Mayos of the world from being NCAA problems. However, if you choose to go to college, you have to stay a couple years. That takes away the farce of the one-and-done guys.

As K2HMFIC mentioned above, the real problem with basketball is in the youth leagues. Until those get cleaned up, there’s no way to prevent agents from getting at the amateur athletes.

by Year2 on May 13, 2008 2:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Seconds

The developmental league would work, provided that the players were kept there until they turn 21. The idea is that they would be the ‘property’ of the NBA teams but not given a shortcut to the NBA. And for players on that track, engaging with an agent in HS would not be that problematic. Those who aren’t drafted will be headed for four years of college. To me, two-and-done is not much better than one-and-done. The idea is for four years in college to be an attractive alternative than a premature jump to the NBA.

I totally agree that the youth leagues and AAU need to be cleaned up. Maybe when Congress gets through with its hearings on steriods and videotaping it can take this up.

Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.

by Caradoc on May 14, 2008 12:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Keeping guys in the D-League until they’re 21 is not necessary. Dwight Howard is 21 and he put up double-doubles nearly every game in the playoffs this year. LeBron James would have been in his senior year of college last year; instead, he carried the Cavs to the Finals.

With two-and-done, players can ostensibly get an AA degree. Or you can go like with baseball and make it three years.

If you go back and look, the amount of high schoolers jumping to the NBA who never made it is a relatively small percent of all the players who made that leap. Have a look at the list for yourself.

by Year2 on May 14, 2008 1:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Not the point

The point was not whether HS players are ready to play in NBA. It was to make a four year college commitment as attractive as going pro. (Also note that Howard is 21.)

Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.

by Caradoc on May 15, 2008 11:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Howard averaged a double-double (12 and 10) his rookie year. He was ready to play right away. LeBron James averaged 20 points as a rookie. He was ready to play right away.

It is possible for 18 year olds to compete in the NBA on a high level, and as long as NBA teams are willing to invest in potential, 4 years of college will never be as attractive as going pro early.

by Year2 on May 16, 2008 1:33 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's much easier

than that.

Amateur athletics is amateur and that’s it. If Mayo received money, it’s wrong. Doesn’t matter if it was $30k or $3M.

The problem is that the people in charge of enforcement are falling down on the job. If the guy did wrong, the NCAA needs to punish USC.

Go Big Red Nebraska!
Our Cobs Are Bigger Than Yours!

by corn blight on May 13, 2008 10:24 PM CDT   0 recs

What is not being said

is that if the NCAA and member schools continue to allow this kind of fraudulent misrepresentation, they are inviting legal entities – especially state universities – to jump in the fray.

There is a financial factor, so how is this different from any other sort of fraud?

“Self-reporting is no way to go through life, son.”

by whills on May 14, 2008 2:16 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Truth will out... sometimes

I went on record on Conquest Chronicles saying that, if the allegations raised by Johnson in the ESPN piece are proven to be true, USC should be held to account for allowing Guillory into the mix. If the NCAA can’t find anything that rises to whatever sliding bar it uses to determine transgressions/penalties, then USC should take action itself to show that it understands the consequences of, at best, turning a blind eye. The compliance office at USC banned Guillory from receiving comp tickets to USC games, so clearly someone wanted to give him a wide berth.

On the other hand, I refuse to equate the Mayo story with the Reggie Bush saga, since I have yet to see/hear anything that leads me to believe that anyone at USC had knowledge of who was making the house payments for Reggie’s parents or stood in a campus parking lot to notice if his ride had been pimped. Those who have been caterwauling about USC “obviously being involved” in Bush’s alleged transgressions tend to be USC haters who have no interest in any reality-based assessments (or rely on fantastical USC conspiracy theories for half the content on their sites).

Rodney Guillory was a known troublemaker, with both the Trepagnier and Fresno State sanctions on his resume, so Mike Garrett has some splainin’ to do on that one. The same cannot be said for whatever shady types might have floated around Pete Carroll’s famously open-to-anyone practice field, imo.

In terms of the bigger question of how this plays out in the greater world of NCAA basketball, Dan Wetzel at Yahoo Sports raised some issues in the post he did on the Mayo story:

“The reality for college basketball isn’t whether there was one potential lottery pick who got paid by agents; it’s whether there is one who didn’t…. Sunday one agent claimed barring the unusual exception, you can’t sign ‘a top-15 player in the draft unless you have invested $100,000 with the kid (or his people) already.’... Another source said at least four agencies were active in getting Mayo, BDA just won out. And last week agent David Falk told CNBC that one agent paid $500,000 for a player this year. Every agent knows which player he is talking about.” (Def90 note – I’m not an agent, so I guess that’s why I don’t know which player.)

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/news

Sorry, the link tool here isn’t working, so any one who wants to read Wetzel’s piece just follow this link.

by Defender90 on May 14, 2008 1:11 AM CDT   0 recs

I'd just like to point out

That Mayo has stated he will cooperate fully. So you can judge him for allegedly taking money, but he has been an otherwise stand-up citizen, and from the look of it, he’s being as honest as he can be. Hell, based upon how classy he’s been, he could very well not have know he was on the take. It may be homerism, but looking at his track record since he got to school, there have been no other red flags.

Fight On! Beat the Wolverines!

by USCLink on May 17, 2008 2:23 PM CDT   0 recs

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