08' football upgrades
I personally think the Texas football will be better at positions in which players decided to go pro. I know the defense will be better without some the past starters (Killabrew, Derry, Jackson, etc.) and a great defensive coordinator.

RB- Jamal Charles has great talent, but I think the current RB's fit much better in the system. Jamal Charles dances around too much, and doesn't hit the holes hard. Jamal took away his best attribute (speed) by not hitting the holes, which put defenses at the same speed as him or faster.
TE- I think J. Finley was more of a me type player. Blaine Irby will be a better team oriented type TE, and reminds me of David Thomas. I remember watching both players at the Baylor game last year, and Blaine Irby really impressed me. He was trying to pump the crowd up the entire game on the sideline, while J. Finley was lounging on the bench in between series (not into the game at all). Irby also has some good plays throughout the season.
LB-I don't have to say anything here. We all know we will improve greatly this year here!
DB-S- Texas has some of the best young DB's and S's in the country. We will improve here eventually, hopegully by the time we play ou.
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Obviously an optimistic view
I agree the linebacking situation should be much improved this year. And I think we have great, albeit young, talent in the secondary. Blaine Irby has good potential to stretch the field.
However, you take quite the stretch to assume the running backs will be better fits for the system than Jamaal. BTW, Jamaal didn’t seem to have much problem hitting the holes in the second half of the season when he finally gained his confidence. Jamaal was our best offensive weapon last season. If Fozzy or Vondrell can run a 10.2 please let me know. Otherwise, I’m going to wait and see before I agree that the running game will be better this year.
by Misterserious7 on May 15, 2008 9:24 AM CDT 0 recs
JC
Jamaal Charles doesn’t run a 10.2 on the football field, and he most certainly doesn’t do it when he’s dancing around instead of hitting the holes. I do think the RBs this year can do what Jamaal did last if given the chance (minus the fumbles), which they will.
by Longhorns84 on
May 15, 2008 10:13 AM CDT
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That is a tough sell
I think you are being a little wishful if you think RB and TE will be better than last year. Maybe if we compare 09 to 07, but for 08, these guys are too green.
by Wells on
May 15, 2008 10:47 AM CDT
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Jamaal must be a hell of a good dancer...
to dance his way to over 1600 yards at 6.5 ypc. And spare me the fumblitis tripe. Go research Ricky’s Heisman year and tell me how many fumbles he had. Or better yet, look up this year’s #1 RB selected in the draft.
BTW, I am excited about this year’s RB group…especially Fozzy. He looks like a very exciting player to watch. Very shifty, quick and elusive.
by Misterserious7 on
May 15, 2008 11:05 AM CDT
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There's only 1 fumble I will remember,
and it happened at the 1 yard line vs oklahoma. Fair or not, when someone asks me how the 2007 ‘Horns team was, I will remember two things: that fumble, and the Three Mousekateers at LB.
by DogTown on
May 16, 2008 8:23 PM CDT
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Is anyone....
else hoping Hales gets some shots at carrying the ball this year? I think Vondrell and Whit are more than capable, and if they are planning a committee approach anyway, why not free up some carries for Desean. He reminds me a little of Noel Devine.
by UT Fanatic on May 15, 2008 11:29 AM CDT 0 recs
HALES...
Isn’t Hales coming in as a WR instead of RB? I know “The Run” illustrates his running ability but I was just under the impression he was coming in as a wideout.
by Csingle10 on May 15, 2008 11:37 AM CDT 0 recs
Hales
He is coming in as a Wide out but i think he would be a good at RB too. He reminds me of Jamaal very quick and and has very good speed. He will be fun to watch where ever he is.
by blazzinken on
May 15, 2008 1:29 PM CDT
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DB and S
DB is Defensive Back which includes S’s. You mean CB. I wouldn’t bring it up but you did it twice.
I think the changes on the defensive side of the ball will be entirely determined by the the addition of Boom. If we’re better at LB and DB it’ll be because of scheme and not personnel. Next year, you can claim personnel (since the Dbacks will be the kind of grizzled vets that want to buy a Waffle House after graduation).
Losing JC is not an upgrade. I appreciate the I Have Cancer- Let’s Celebrate attitude, but JC would have been a Heisman front runner as a Senior and that can’t be replaced by a black Scot and a guy named after an orange Muppet.
Losing the JerBeast is also a blow. Not only do we lose a dual sponsor of the NCAA BabyDaddy Club, but we also loose a game changer in the check down for Colt. The jury is still out on Irby, he caught two balls last year. The one against Oklafaggot was a good play- and that’s really it, so don’t tell me all about how Irby is the next owner and founder of Wendy’s, cause that’s like comparing Phillip Payne to Roy Williams.
by Tbone Stallone on May 15, 2008 11:42 AM CDT 1 recs
Tbone, come home
Seriously, BON is a better place with you commenting more regularly…
So take that.
by Kahuna on
May 15, 2008 1:04 PM CDT
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Yeah, I had forgotten about you, TBone. Welcome back.
I'll never forget ol' what's-his-name.
by Horntod on
May 15, 2008 4:21 PM CDT
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I have Cancer - Let's Celebrate
Wow
Living vicariously through Deon Beasley
by inVINCEable on
May 15, 2008 10:41 PM CDT
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08' football
I don’t think J.Finley should be mentioned in the same sentence (or referenced to) Roy Williams.
All I’m saying is that anybody who chooses to go pro and gets drafted in the 3rd+ round is a “me” player, and the team is better off without them.
Fozzy will have a way more productive career at UT than Jamaal. I had great expectations for Jamaal and J.Finley, and they did not meet them.
I did mean CB and not DB…sorry!
by Longhorns84 on May 15, 2008 12:10 PM CDT 0 recs
A "me" player?
The guy has a family to take care of.
At the end of the day, it’s a business decision. By your logic, we were better off two years ago without Vince Young…
by SuperHorn on
May 15, 2008 12:40 PM CDT
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Woops...
The logic doesn’t apply to VY. But, I’m still not sure that the 3rd+ round would make a player any more or less selfish for leaving. If anything, it could say that there are external forces affecting his decision (ie kids to take care of) causing them to leave while they still have more upside…which would make them selfless…not selfish.
by SuperHorn on
May 15, 2008 12:43 PM CDT
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Great Expectations?
“Fozzy will have a way more productive career at UT than Jamaal.”
I now see why you hold Jamaal in such low esteem…your expectations are unreasonable. Jamaal is the 4th most productive RB in the history of Texas Longhorn football, and he did it in only 3 seasons. With a decent Senior season (had he come back) Jamaal would have passed Earl for the 3rd position behind only Ricky and Ced. Not sure what else you wanted from the guy.
by Misterserious7 on
May 15, 2008 12:49 PM CDT
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Completely Wrong
If leaving to support your family is selfish in your book than you are a selfish fan. I, as everybody else, would have loved to see J-Mike stay but he left and I didn’t agree with his decision but he was not a me player. You are completely wrong here man. You need to support the players.
I bet J-Mike didn’t want leave just like JC didn’t want to leave, but, in their books, they had to and you can’t really blame them. You see, alot of these come from nothing and a high six figure pay check with a pretty solid signing bonus is more money than any of them have ever seen.
by longhornboy on
May 15, 2008 10:35 PM CDT
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Do you know Fozzy?
Because the fact that he WILL have the 4th most productive or better career at UT seems like some insider information. I postpone all judgment of a player until I seem him play against an actual opponent.
I’m not saying he won’t have a more successful career, I’m just saying that when you make statements that bold, be prepared to live up to the crow you may have to eat.
Living vicariously through Deon Beasley
by inVINCEable on
May 15, 2008 11:04 PM CDT
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I agree with the comments about Charles and Finley
Yes Charles had huge numbers the second half of the season, but every carry was “all or nothing” most of the time. Are y’all so quick to forget how terrible he was playing up till the NU game? Many of you were calling for his head after OU. JC had big time yards against OSU, Nebraska, TxTech, AzSt. Definately not the best defenses we saw all year. I like JC explosiveness, but perhaps a little consistency 3-4 yards pop is better than 20, -5, 4, -2, 3, 0, 20…....I mean we didnt even trust him on the goal line.
And Jermichale Finley, I really have no idea why everyone was on his n*ts all the time. He wasn’t as fast as everone thought, had a nice OU game…Thats it. Did he ever explode? Did you ever say, don’t worry finley will get that crucial first down? He was just ok. And he just disappeared in the offense. all hype if you ask me.
by owenh on May 15, 2008 2:29 PM CDT 0 recs
You are critical
of Greg Davis and don’t get me wrong, I feel like he could have done a lot better these past 2 years, but then comment on Jamaal’s inconsistencies? The reason he was being dropped for losses a lot of times was most every run play was stale and predictable. The fact that he scored as much as he did given colt’s struggles and the way he was utilized is a testament to how great of a player he is.
J-mike was a beast. I don’t know if you remember the two passes he literally grabbed out of opponent’s hands in the endzone? He was not as reliable as David Thomas was in his last two years but the guy could play.
Living vicariously through Deon Beasley
by inVINCEable on
May 15, 2008 11:01 PM CDT
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I tired not to comment
Because I really dont want to come out in opposition of every post you make, but you make it so hard sometimes.
Jmike against Baylor in 2007 – 5 catches, 60 yards, 12 per catch
Irby against Baylor in 2007 – 0 catches, 0 yards, 0 carries, 0 passes, 0 pancakes
What impressed you about him that game? His sideline demeanor?
Misterserious already hit on Jamaal, but I think it warrants saying again, Jamaal is the 4th most productive RB in the history of Texas Longhorn Football. Its tough for me not to look at the 84 in your name, and thing that you thinking with sense of history, but honestly, saying that replacing him is a better option than a senior Jamaal is ludicrous.
by BoddickerIsClutch on May 15, 2008 2:31 PM CDT 0 recs
Wow
That last sentence of mine reads like an insipid case of verbal diarrhea. Let me try that again…
Its tough for me to look at the 84 in your name, and think that you are considering things with a sense of history. To me, saying that Jamaals unproven replacements are upgrades is just ludicrous.
by BoddickerIsClutch on
May 15, 2008 2:34 PM CDT
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It's too early to be slashing and burning.
If the OL is healthy and strong, with good depth, the offense will do well.
If the OL is not strong, then we can pull out the Bowie knives and go to it.
However, cutting up 84 could be good practice til then.
by whills on May 15, 2008 4:57 PM CDT 0 recs
You are wrong here dude.
The team is not gonna be better off without Jamaal Charles. I don’t know what team you watch last year but he was our best player by far and saved our asses in many games.
Blaine Irby will not be a better player than Jermichael Finley, EVER. I don’t care if you don’t like J-Mike, he is the best tight end to play at UT, in my opinion. Irby might turn in to a solid player but he won’t be as explosive as Finley or make more plays than him.
I do think that secondary will be a lot better though as will the defense be overall because of the huge upgrade in coaching.
by longhornboy on May 15, 2008 10:39 PM CDT 0 recs
in my humble opinion...
j-mike had all the talent in the world but was never even close to david thomas.
by Csingle10 on May 16, 2008 1:01 AM CDT 0 recs
All the talent in the world..
Cannot compete with all the Hamburgers in the world.
Point to Dave. May he be healthy this year.
by BoddickerIsClutch on
May 16, 2008 8:02 AM CDT
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SuperHorn
Please explain to me what kind of logic makes Texas better without Vince Young, and how me saying something about Jamaal Charles and J.Finley has anything to do with Vince Young (stupid statement). Texas is still trying to replace Vince Young, while Texas will be rolling next year without Jamaal Charles and J.Finley.
by Longhorns84 on May 16, 2008 8:13 AM CDT 0 recs
records
Yeah..and Colt McCoy is going have the most passing yard too..big deal. I think we can all agree that he isn’t anywhere near the best QB in Texas history. I’m not saying Jamaal isn’t good though, I just had big expectations for him. He said he was going to make Texas fans forget about Adrian Peterson..cmon!
Stats don’t really mean anything in college.
by Longhorns84 on May 16, 2008 8:18 AM CDT 0 recs
Finley the greatest?
I ‘ll take David Thomas over Finley anytime.
by Longhorns84 on May 16, 2008 8:21 AM CDT 0 recs
"Me" player
If J. Finley and Charles stayed another year, they would both be making A LOT more money to bring home to their families. The both of them would have been better players also if they stayed. They would also would have a degree to fall back on if the football thing doesn’t work out, so they can have a career to support their families. So, thats a bad defense for them. I could see if they were first round picks and got Vince Young money!
by Longhorns84 on May 16, 2008 9:20 AM CDT 0 recs
Pardon me....
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If J. Finley and Charles stayed another year, they would both be making A LOT more money to bring home to their families.
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........but isn’t that exactly what they were telling Jamaal Charles’ older brother right before he suffered his career-ending injury at SMU???
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by HornChamps on
May 16, 2008 1:05 PM CDT
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I tend to agree. Granted losing Charles and Finley may hurt a little at the start, but I think the guys coming up are going to do more than OK. Vondrell is from my hometown, and the kid is a tough and strong runner with some good speed (not JC speed, but good speed). Irby will do fine taking over for Finley (he was to selfish). The LB’s have to be better and a lot quicker, and the CB’s and S will improve as well I think.
by UTKevin66 on May 16, 2008 10:42 AM CDT 0 recs
Like Boddicker, I was also trying to avoid disagreeing
I also failed. You’ve got a series of OPTIMISTIC suppositions and projections. This is fine, hell I loves me some optimism, but please don’t try to pass these assertions off as facts. Especially indisputable ones. This tends to rile up the lawyers.
As to drafting position equating to a “me” player
First, neither of those guys were going to be the 3rd pick in the draft like VY. A TE has never been drafted that high, and J-Mike would have had to drop about 4 tenths of a second off his 40 to be a high first round possibility, 2-3 tenths to be a first round possibility. So lets dispense with that. JC may have made the late first round, if he had stopped fumbling, gained weight and kept his speed, and most importantly, not gotten hurt. Remember, these guys got to see first hand what happened to Limas. Not being able to play hurt his stock throughout the season as other players caught up and passed him.
J-Mike came off as an egotistical player in his interviews with several NFL teams and scouts. This was not caused by him leaving for the draft, this was caused by him being an egotistical person. This likely would not be improved by another year in college. He would still be a “me” player. Are we better off without him? No, the big twelve is not the NFL, and the NFL still had a fairly high opinion of him.
JC leaving, and being drafted in the 3rd round had as much to do with a perfect storm of NFL talent leaving in one year as did his own problems holding on to the football. Toward the end of his career he was a talent capable of breaking open a game at any time. He will probably be an NFL starter during his career, and could be quite successful. He chose getting paid rather than running for free and risking injury. His choice, and not an irrational one.
Are we better off without JC aka “I have cancer, let’s celebrate”
I have agreed with your original post at various times, but the light came on for JC this year. There weren’t many defenses that played at anywhere near his speed, and he largely stopped dancing. Fumbling though, different issue. However he was still easily the best back in the big 12 and would have been next year.
Saying that a player wasn’t good enough to make us forget about about Adrian Peterson is not an arguement, AP is one of the top 3 backs in the NFL right now and if he keeps it up will be one of the top 3 all time. JC may have said he would, but lets be serious, Earl Campbell couldn’t make you “forget” about such a singular talent.
Say what you want about records/statistics being meaningless in college (this is incorrect, but hey, free country) but no one on the roster has the proven ability to run for over 250 yards in a quarter. No one on the roster has demonstrated the ability to run for over 100 yards against Oklahoma. No other back on the Roster has played in and contributed to a MNC. We will miss him.
Though, hopefully stats are not too meaningful, because JC’s freshman year blows Vondrell McGees out of the water. It’s not even close.
Colt not one of the better quarterbacks in UT history
Are you aware of the Quarterbacks in UT history? Colt has been shattering records for a reason: We’re not a shining beacon of hall of fame QB play. We produce RB’s, have since Darrell “Three things happen when you pass – two of them are bad” Royal, and we’re damn proud of it. We’ve had 3 QB’s drafted into the NFL in the last 30 years. Colt may actually manage to sneak in and be #4 under the Danny Wuerffel lifetime achievement award in the 6-7th round. Colt, using statistics such as Touchdowns and Wins, is among the best QB’s UT has had. His biggest sin is not being VY. The next several dozen QB’s in our future will commit this sin.
The linebackers will be better
Yes couldn’t agree more. Not to mention less likely to draw personal fouls.
by learned hand on May 16, 2008 12:34 PM CDT 1 recs
Agreed. We should all be excited about improved LB play.
Loved this quote:
This tends to rile up the lawyers.
It's a Horns' world. Even Aggies play hoops with a burnt orange ball.
Is it football season YET?
by Speedway on
May 16, 2008 2:54 PM CDT
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JC his freshman year
Charles almost lost the national championship game for us. He fumbled that pass, and the refs called it an incomplete pass (thank god). I think Jamaal Charles is good…not great. Romance Taylor was way more important than him that year.
Jamaal really only had 3 good games last year: Oklahoma State, Nebraska(4th qtr), and Arizona State..If he was as great as y’all say, he would have more good games than 3.
The run agaist ou in 2005 was great!
by Longhorns84 on May 16, 2008 12:54 PM CDT 0 recs
Okay, I think I've found the problem
How are you defining “good game”?
Those of us who are disagreeing with you are more likely defining a good game as over 100 total yards per game, plus a touchdown or more. JC had 8 of those last year, out of 13 games. He also had over 90 total yards on two other occassions.
Somewhere over 150 yards just from rushing and multiple touchdowns is more in the the catagory of very good to great for me. He had 3 of those in 13 games (though 5 games of 150+ yards rushing). This is also the same three games you name as “good”.
If that’s your definition, I won’t argue its validity. I will say that maintaining a pace of 150 yards a game puts one within arms length of Ricky’s all time Texas record and well ahead of cedric’s #2 record of 1834 yards rushing. Maintaining a requirement of 2 or more rushing touchdowns per game basically requires that Ricky’s record for 27 rushing TD’s in a season has to fall immediately.
I realize that you’re not arguing that JC was a bad player, but its hard to know exactly what you’re arguing without some definition.
by learned hand on
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J-Mike
In the past 25 years, only ONE Texas TE has been drafted higher than J-Mike Finley and that was David Thomas after exhausting his eligibility.
Yr…..D.Thomas…....J.Finley
1st… .9 for 105…......31 for 372
2nd..14 for 219….....45 for 575
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Tot….23 for 324…....76 for 947
J-Mike had exponentially better production, inspite of Davis keeping him in to cover for an inexperienced O-Line.
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by HornChamps on May 16, 2008 12:55 PM CDT 0 recs
and how much did the presence of Roy, BJ, Sloan, & Bo Scaife have an effect on Thomas’ production in those years? J-Mike wasn’t splitting time with anybody those first two years so I’m not sure that’s the best comparison. Maybe he would’ve posted even better production had he stayed another year or two but we’ll never know.
by Csingle10 on
May 16, 2008 3:58 PM CDT
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Perhaps.....
.....if the comparison were reasonably close, you’d have a valid point. However, J-Mike’s 76 receptions are more than triple the 23 receptions of David Thomas. J-Mike’s 947 yards compared to D.Thomas’ 324 yards is not even close.
As far as presence of other receivers plays into the production, perhaps you should address the presence of Sweed, Shipley and Cosby. All three of them had TD receptions in the RRS. How did Roy, BJ and Sloan do in their 4 years of the RRS??
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by HornChamps on
May 20, 2008 9:49 AM CDT
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as far as this year goes...
I think Irby has great potential but I’m personally more intrigued to see how much Josh Marshall progresses this spring/summer. Not expecting much, but curious nonetheless.
by Csingle10 on May 16, 2008 4:07 PM CDT 0 recs
Tough Love for JC
You guys would have to admit, no matter how much you like JC, that you almost had a heart attach every time he was hit with the ball. Kind of like every time Colt threw a pass during the KSU game. I will miss Jamaal, but you just have to move on and assume that we will be able to put it together next year behind what looks to be an excellent (and getting better) offensive line.
As far as JF goes, I loved that guy. But UT has always put good TEs on the field, serviceable at the least, and I am thinking that Irby and maybe Marshall will fill in admirably this year.
If anything I would be more concerned about Davis this year. That KSU game really took a couple of years off my life . . . and I had to watch it at a freaking wedding.
by chilimilkjones on May 16, 2008 4:56 PM CDT 0 recs
JC
I don’t think a 100 yard game is a great accomplishment in college when your playing teams like Arkansas State, Rice, Central Florida, Baylor, Iowa State, and Texas Tech. Jamaal Charles should of had 1000 yards on the season against these teams alone.
I do think Jamaal Charles is good. The point of this post was to show my opinion that Texas will be fine this year without him and J.Finley.
by Longhorns84 on May 17, 2008 10:49 PM CDT 0 recs
Not entirely true...
“The point of this post was to show my opinion that Texas will be fine this year with out him (JC) and J. Finley.”
This statement would be fine if that was truely your original point. However, one must only glance at your original post to find this interesting nugget of opinion.
“I personally think the Texas football will be better at positions in which players decided to go pro.”
Now, feel free to correct me, but this statement does not jive with your NEW premise. No one here is arguing that Texas does not have quality talent to step up this year at RB and TE. We just have a problem with your assessment that this year’s team will somehow be BETTER without JC and J-Mike. (better being the operative word since that was your original statement)
by Misterserious7 on
May 20, 2008 11:06 AM CDT
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crazy
I do think the RB’s and TE’s will be as/more productive than JC or JF.. The RB’s may do it as a team (rotating), but I don’t think there will be a drop off. The TE’s have the same situation.
by Longhorns84 on May 20, 2008 2:25 PM CDT 0 recs
For the sake of the team...
I hope you’re correct.
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