Big 12 commissioner proposes 5 years eligibility
by Hook'em13 on May 20, 2008 11:30 PM CDT
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PrintCOLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. -- Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe has repeatedly heard football coaches complain about the attrition caused by dwindling scholarship limits and longer seasons. And he wants to do something about it.
Beebe has proposed a plan that would provide five years of eligibility for college football players. He hopes to gain support before eventually taking his idea to the NCAA Management Council for action.
The proposal would end redshirting in college football and cease the current practice of four seasons of eligibility during a five-year window.
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My first thought
Is that this would help us more than the average team. Special-talent players would still leave after 3 or 4 years, but our relatively higher-quality depth/supporting-cast players would be around a year longer.
We would see a huge decline in graduation rates.
I've been fuelin' my dreams eatin' greens and beans.
It might just be too early for this to make sense to me
That last quote threw me a bit off. By throwing out the redshirt season, what does adding the 5th year eligibility do? I understand there are situations when redshirts must be burned because of injuries, but by adding a 5th year and eliminating the redshirt, won’t that force players to go to schools they know they can start at their freshmen year? Having the redshirt allows us to have players like VY come to Texas and learn the offense for a year before his eligibility starts. Without the redshirt, who is going to want to come into a program and lose a year of eligibility to be 3rd or 4th string QB, so they can learn the system?
There's no fault in burning a year of eligibility when you have 5.
If a kid needs to redshirt, he’ll just not play that year. The difference is that he can go into the game to finish off Rice for the game experience even if he’s “redshirting”. My guess is that this will ease the desire of recruits to go somewhere they can play right away just slightly. If you’re really good, but you need a year to develop, Mack can still tell you that you’ll play your first year, just in mop-up duty or in emergencies. It may slightly discourage transferring, because you’ll be burning a year that you could be playing, but won’t be a big factor. I think, all in all, it’s just a libertarian-style approach to solving eligibility issues. Just play for five years, no weird rules (about this particular subject, anyway). I’m for it, I guess. What do you mean, 16th Longhorn, when you say grad rates will decrease? What’s the logic there?
--Horn Brain--
I think I am confused and commented before thinking it through (it happens)
Let me get this straight, they would still graduate in 4 years, but be able to play a 5th season? If that’s the case then ignore my previous comment.
I've been fuelin' my dreams eatin' greens and beans.
What
are the negatives in this case scenario? It would allow players to get that much more experience and keep them around longer.
One negative
if you recruit a bust, then he has the opportunity to stay around for 5 years instead of 4.
One more year
Of our linebacking crew from last year shudder
Living vicariously through Deon Beasley
by inVINCEable on May 21, 2008 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nick Saban's habit of "firing" kids will get popular
probably not with Mack, at least not immediately, but around the conference
by learned hand on May 22, 2008 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Another thing
Isn’t our beloved University actively trying to dissuade students from taking more than 4 years to complete degrees? Doesn’t this proposal appear to be in conflict with that goal? Now, I understand that some players could go on to start graduate degrees, but should every player be expected to do graduate studies if he wants to use all five years of eligibility? Or will The University back down on that goal when it comes to football players?
Personally, I could care less. I enjoyed my 4.5 years at The University and probably would have tried to extend it had I not realized that I never again wanted to write something longer than 20 pages unless I was getting paid exorbitant amounts of money to do it.
So take that.
I think it would help graduation rates
Tons of “regular” college students who don’t play a varsity level sport and don’t even have a job outside of school don’t graduate in 4 years, for whatever reason. Yet the NCAA, in a sense, punishes schools when a varsity athlete doesn’t graduate within 4 years. I know there are exceptions to that rule (i.e. players who return to school and graduate within a certain number of years of beginning college, players who leave in good academic standing), but for the most part, if you don’t graduate by the time your eligibility is up, you’re hurting the program. And considering that the NCAA only requires 24 hours per year, including summers, there are a hell of a lot of athletes who use up their eligibility in 4 years and are still a year shy of a degree. So adding a 5th year will help graduation rates, IMO, for those who choose to stay in college.
As far as “forcing” athletes into grad school if they stay beyond achieving their bachelor’s degree, I don’t think that’s the case. Matt Leinart wasn’t even actively seeking a degree in his final year at USC. He was taking just enough classes to keep himself eligible to play football, and it was crap like ballroom dancing. Chris Ogbonnaya will be working on a second bachelor’s degree in the fall, since he just received his first one and still has a year of eligibility. But if a 5th year becomes the norm, I think a lot of players who don’t want or need grad school will just ensure that they can complete a bachelor’s degree within 5 years and follow that plan instead of finishing in 4 and then trying to figure out what to do during that 5th year.
recruiting
recruiting classes would be alot smaller if you would have an extra class of 5th year seniors.
by Hook'em13 on May 22, 2008 12:27 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
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