This Is What 4.24 Looks Like
Orson's got a lovely video of Noel Devine up over at his place, and though the tiny tailback certainly shows off some ridiculous jukes and agility, his top end speed doesn't really stand out as the best of the best. His stride covers like a yard and a half.
But watching the video reminded me of something I meant to mention after the NFL Draft a couple weeks ago. When the draft concluded, I seemed to be the only person in America who rather liked Tennessee's draft. That could make me the fool, but it also might be that others are underestimating the impact their first-round choice could have on VY's offense.
There's also the kick returning to consider. Tennessee was a different, much more dangerous team, when Pacman Jones was still making plays for the Titans on the return game.
But don't take my word for it; see for yourself. Tell me if you don't think this might help Vince as much or more than any tall receiver could.
There's fast and then there's... this.
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Color me impressed
But Chris Johnson + VY seems like it’ll only work with: zone-read, option, HB screen, HB wheel.
What the hell is Vince gonna do on those 3rd and longs where he can no longer simply outrun the defense?
by jc25 on
May 8, 2008 2:53 PM CDT
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Love it
All the “experts” were up in arms about this pick, but trying to defend against his/VY’s speed will be a big problem for DC’s. Considering how often 1st Round receivers are busts, I think its a good pick.
And to jc’s question, two things: 1) It’s hard to really draft with 3rd and longs in mind. If you’re building a solid team, those sorts of things shouldn’t be problems often. But, expect to see Johnson used like a Reggie Bush in these 3rd and longs, he has great hands and the coaches have already said he’ll line up at receiver sometimes.
2) Give Heimerdinger a chance at OC. He did wonders for the Titans offense in the past. He’s been high on the receivers…I think Gage, Williams, and possibly Hawkins may surprise some people next year.
by SuperHorn on
May 8, 2008 2:57 PM CDT
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No.
I don’t think this will help VY more than a tall receiver will. The titans finished 3rd in rushing last year, while finishing 27th in passing! The glaring need on this team certainly wasn’t a RB. It is WR. Lendale White put up some pretty decent numbers this year and no matter who is the RB in the backfield, VY will make that back that much better. Every single TN game I watched this season (And I watched almost all of them) pissed me off to no end because he had one of the worst groups of receivers I’ve ever seen a QB have. They needed a WR, and if they did not want to spend first round money on one, surely, they could have picked up some value in the 2nd. I just don’t know how you can be so positive about this draft situation. No disrespect to the nice looking RB up there, but wtf?!
by saveadre on
May 8, 2008 3:23 PM CDT
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I think everyone will be shocked.
I spoke for this when it happened here.
Defenses will absolutely have to defend against Johnson. He may not bust the seams as frequently as he did against ECU opponents, but, damn, if your safeties aren’t in position, he’s gone. The strategy of keeping two defenders between VY and the goal is dead if Johnson’s on the field. It also sets up the stretch option, which they’ll run with Johnson early in the season just to show teams his speed.
Tennessee has a 6-5 WR in Mike Williams, a 6-4 in Justin Gage and a 6-3 in Brin Ealey from Houston. Gage and Ealey as second year players and Jeff Fisher has noted their great improvement, as well as that of Williams. Of the nine receivers in camp, only two are under 6-0: Chris Davis 5-10 and the newly drafted Lavelle Hawkins at 5-11. And Fisher noted the need for a smaller receiver. Williams needs to be that third down receiver over the middle. Now up to a matured 242, he can give VY a hell of a target with long arms (if he can return to SC form). Ealy has good speed and should force some match-up problems. Plus, Fisher seems to be guarding against injuries crippling the attack; he’s also keeping four TEs.
I suspect we’ll see VY running less and less early in the season – and that will also help his effectiveness. If defenses key on his running, that has to open lanes downfield. As soon as defenses are pretty sure he’s not running, then they’ll back off. This is exactly the type of option that VY needs on the field: the intuitive go-or-no he can see and feel in action.
And last, there’s just no way to defend 4.24 speed unless you spread the defense out. Third and short is one thing until Johnson splits out and the D has to take someone out of the box or bring over a safety.
The last thing I like about Johnson is that he seems to have a bit of Dorsett’s ability to make people miss. A highlight film won’t show the hard hits on him, but you do see him sliding by a lot of tacklers with last-second adjustments.
Johnson’s ability to accelerate and outrun the angle of pursuit is just staggering. That last run is a hell of an example. VY and Texas 05 had plenty of speed relative to their opponents, even SC. That’s exactly what he hasn’t had at Tennessee. I hope they get even more.
Last, in response to saveadre, the kinds of catches from the type of receiver you’re talking about only constitute a small part of the passing game, probably less than 10% and probably more like 5%. True, he didn’t have a TO or a stopper beside Shaife, but the real need was a stable of pass catchers which can then be upgraded. Tennessee has needed OL help, some DL and LB help and corners, so they had a lot of needs to address at once. Even if they had gotten a key receiver, he’d still be a rookie and probably not that productive; if injured, his value is gone for the season.
So, Fisher and VY had 10 wins last year and are looking for two more this year. That takes more D as well as stable pass catching. That’s what this draft was about: two wins and deeper in the playoffs. I trust Fisher’s instinct and coaching ability. He is defensive oriented (as a former safety) and let’s his OC do his job.
It was my observation last year Tennessee merely had the offense used as much time as possible to keep the defense off the field. Boring offense, yes; certainly boring for VY most of the time except late in the game. But the strategy helped keep the defense relatively healthy and strong the whole season, unlike prior seasons. I think the D will be stronger and thus they’ll let VY loose more not to maximize time of possession, but to try to score much more. These draft selections fit with that sort of strategy this year.
by whills on
May 8, 2008 3:37 PM CDT
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I wouldn't call it a bad selection
But as we all know, its too early to call it either way. There are some great points made here, and the highlight vid is pretty unreal, but Southern Miss, Tulane, UAB and UNC aren’t known for training NFL defensive backfields and linebackers.
My cynicism with this pick has a lot more to do with reconcilling his draft position, the other players available, and his learning curve (which is probably bigger than Reggie Bush’s). He’s blazing fast, but does his .1 padless 40 yard time do more for their offense than Sweed/Kelly/Thomas and JC/Slaton? (Though I know they wanted to go defense in Round 2.) Does taking another RB high really solve the need, i.e. isn’t that what Chris Henry was for?
Unless they’re planning a return to the wishbone and leather helmets. Then this pick is 7 different kinds of awesome.
by learned hand on
May 8, 2008 5:52 PM CDT
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There is a certain gamble
in these picks. And we have no way of knowing how smart they were until deep in season. I was trying to work a logic that seemed to fit, and like all such exercises, this is just a shot in the dark.
Obviously, Fisher didn’t think the coming season depended on another RB or big time WR because he could have gone for those. I personally thought Sweed would have been a great fit, and there were a few more that would have nearly matched that.
Henry, like the young receivers, is a second-year guy and you would think they should be more productive, which is typical in the NFL. And I remind that the NFL does want to get its money’s worth in the first three years or so (depending on the depth of investment) of a player’s career.
No doubt Johnson will have a steep earning curve. And opposing defenses will catch up with his plays pretty quickly. So, it’s logical he will do more damage early in the season and then in the last section of games and the playoffs. However, Fisher said specifically that he wanted Johnson as a tactical piece to use in undermining defenses. And he wanted him next to VY when they lined up in the shotgun. I’m certain that was not for blocking purposes. He also said there would be more two-back sets as well. But don’t expect Johnson to play over 15-20% of the offensive plays at the most.
The real curiosity factor is if Tennessee will make better use of Johnson than NO has Reggie. They are specialized weapons, not every down players who can take the pounding. Obviously FIsher thinks he has an OC who can figure it out.
by whills on
May 8, 2008 10:34 PM CDT
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Agreed, that's a different kettle of fish
But is anyone worth a first round pick if they’re only involved in 15-20% of the snaps? That’s a significant investment in someone who will not even be a Reggie Bush level of decoy.
As for Reggie, as much as the UT side of me enjoys a delightful schadenfreude at his perceived struggles, the adoptive saints fan in me is cognizant of the fact that he keeps Drew Brees from being killed with his skill as an outlet receiver. Which, by all accounts, was something he was quite skilled at before he came into the league. That said, even though he was compared to folks like Gale Sayers when he was drafted, he’s not been capable of being a true game breaker even as a pass catcher.
VY can scare defenses by himself, and him dumping off to Johnson should be even more of a threat. But I think we’re all curious what is going to happen in Tennessee, how does one run an offense with so many highly drafted runners?
by learned hand on
May 9, 2008 2:28 AM CDT
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It will be interesting.
BTW heard that Belichick didn’t like the choice, that Johnson could run clean out of camera view so easily.
by whills on
May 9, 2008 12:05 PM CDT
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Wow
When he hit full stride he was covering 5 yards in 2! steps. Whether or not he’ll help VY, I don’t know. But that dude is fast.
by GoHorns on
May 8, 2008 3:57 PM CDT
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I don't say never...
...I’ve seen and forgotten too much football to throw around a word like never, but I have NEVER seen a guy run away from defensive backs like that.
I guess it was the beatings made me wise. But I'm not about to give thanks, or apologize.
by TheJeezus on
May 8, 2008 4:26 PM CDT
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Obviously, you haven't seen Tulane play often enough
His speed is legit, there’s no doubting that, but it’s also a combination of an (evidently) 1st round NFL talent with combine record speed running past a lot of lower tier defensive backs who were 2 star recruits.
The combination makes his already blazing speed seem awe inspiring, but he’s probably not more than a step or so faster over the length of 40-60 yards than a Jones/McFadden/Charles, who were being chased by much faster guys.
by learned hand on
May 8, 2008 5:12 PM CDT
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Are you from the Bear Bryant School of Running?
It doesn’t matter how fast the person chasing you is if he can’t catch you.
The Bear Bryant School specifically notes that additional motivation is worth an extra step or two and even the fastest runner can be caught.
Other than that, a handy stat is each tenth is a step in the 40-time. I’ve heard a lot of coaches say that and it seems to work. Some wonk here can attempt to debunk, but this is awfully convenient.
So, that would be a step on a 2.34 back, two steps at 2.44. The key for such as runner as all four of those backs is whether they have the acceleration at the key point to outrun the pursuit angle. Some backs can see or feel that point. VY is great at accelerating to a particular point. Some don’t accelerate that well.
Charles definitely had a smooth explosive ability which is close to equal that of Johnson, although I think Johnson handles his speed in a more finished and mature manner and he seems to have a more aggressive cruising speed.
by whills on
May 8, 2008 11:54 PM CDT
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'aggressive cruising speed'
I like that.
Nicely captures what I feel watching Johnson
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by PB @ BON on
May 9, 2008 10:57 AM CDT
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reminds me of...
I think this choice will not help the Titans. Given East Carolina’s competition, why didn’t Chris Johnson rush for 1700-2000 yards on the season? So I ask myself, what do I see in his style that is limiting?
I was struck by how much his style resembled that of Hershel Walker, but without the power. His feet seem to skate close to the ground in the same way. Similarly, he has very little lateral movement, and doesn’t make quick cuts. In every highlight, he just outran the defenders. Johnson still may do that occasionally in the NFL, but I can’t see it happening on a consistent basis. Reggie Bush is almost as fast and has three times the moves and still had a longest rush of 26 yards last season.
It’s my view that the unexpected wins in the NFL because everything is so deeply analyzed by coaches. It’s the RBs who break tackles by defenders who are where they are supposed to be (Marion Barber), or make suprising, unexpected cuts (see Ladainian Tomlinson) that make the difference.
by burnt in ny on
May 9, 2008 12:24 PM CDT
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yawn
those tackles that he is breaking against UAB and the like will not be broken against NFL talent. Most times drafting for a team is complicated. It wasn’t for the Titans though. They needed a first day RECEIVER!!! Where is this can even going to play on offense? Huh?
by honkskillet on
May 10, 2008 1:09 AM CDT
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One final note: 749 and Zero
This has been interesting. Some seem to reply from their disappointment that Tennessee didn’t draft a prototypical WR than any deep assessment of who they did assess.
Chris Johnson isn’t so small. He’s 5-11, 195, thick-chested and strong for his size, according to the NFL combine site.
He’s a multiple threat, RB, WR and returner, all of which he is more than proficient as a four year player. And it is notable that all incoming rookies will be tackled more efficiently than they were in college. So, the Titans got a multi-dimensional threat in lieu of a specific need (tall, fast WR) which filled only one of their needs.
And one last little nugget of gold: Chris Johnson handled the ball 749 times in four years not including returns, gaining 3728 yards. In those 749 carries and receptions, he had 0 (yes, zero) fumbles.
I couldn’t find a number on the returns, but he didn’t fumble on any of those either by the overall stats on the ECU site.
This doesn’t mean he won’t in the pros; it’s merely an indicator of his propensity to hold on to the ball well.
by whills on
May 11, 2008 7:15 PM CDT
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Great comment
Obviously, I’m in the camp that is intrigued in a good way by the pick, especially given his ability to contribute in a variety of ways. Tennessee was a different team when Pacman Jones was contributing as a threat on defense, special teams and, yes, even occasionally on offense.
Also worth noting is how difficult it is to draft a big-play receiver who’s ready to rock the League from day one. As a huge Steelers fan, I remember how awful Plaxico Burress was as a rookie. He improved his second year, and finally became a serious threat in year three. Impact wide receivers aren’t just hard to come by, they’re hard to identify.
Marques Colston is nodding somewhere.
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by PB @ BON on
May 11, 2008 11:19 PM CDT
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One final note: 749 and Zero
This has been interesting. Some seem to reply from their disappointment that Tennessee didn’t draft a prototypical WR than any deep assessment of who they did assess.
Chris Johnson isn’t so small. He’s 5-11, 195, thick-chested and strong for his size, according to the NFL combine site.
He’s a multiple threat, RB, WR and returner, all of which he is more than proficient as a four year player. And it is notable that all incoming rookies will be tackled more efficiently than they were in college. So, the Titans got a multi-dimensional threat in lieu of a specific need (tall, fast WR) which filled only one of their needs.
And one last little nugget of gold: Chris Johnson handled the ball 749 times in four years not including returns, gaining 3728 yards. In those 749 carries and receptions, he had 0 (yes, zero) fumbles.
I couldn’t find a number on the returns, but he didn’t fumble on any of those either by the overall stats on the ECU site.
This doesn’t mean he won’t in the pros; it’s merely an indicator of his propensity to hold on to the ball well.
by whills on
May 11, 2008 7:15 PM CDT
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Remember Chris Henry
One reason this hacked off and confused many people was that they grabbed Chris Henry in the second round last year, a “speed” back that impressed at the workouts. This may not be true, but this pick coupled with Henry’s lack of production his rookie year led many to believe that they already gave up on him. If so, they just wasted a 2nd round pick. People also point out they took Lendhale in the second round, but he’s a different type of back and arguably a steal in the second round, and they’re obviously keeping him around.
Tennessee has size at receiver; they simply have no true #1 guys. Some argued that they should have done what Washington did. The Redskins traded down into the second, and in the span of one round they picked up two wide receivers with first round grades (Thomas and Kelly) and Fred Davis the TE out of USC. I agree with many that Kelly is overrated and may prove to be another one of those big receivers who lack the speed to make a huge difference (ala Mike Williams), but if you’re looking for pass weapons, that’s not bad at all.
Remember, Vince had a paltry 9 TD passes. I’m not one to simply defend Vince because he’s Vince; he made a lot of bad decisions which resulted in his bad TD-INT ratio. However, I did watch most of their games, and his receivers didn’t help. Some of his interceptions were the result of his receivers running pour routes or not fighting for the ball. He lost some TD catches due to, again, bad routes and dropped balls. For a young QB, it blows holes in your confidence if you make a good throw and your receivers can’t deliver, which happened quite a few times last season. If they had a halfway decent passing attack, they’re beating the Chargers in the playoffs (though not the Patriots, whom they would have met). Their running game can improve, as they lacked a home-run hitter like Johnson, but the fact of the matter is they need a passing game that is legitimate enough to make defenses honest. A lot of that is on VY, but there’s also a lot of onus on the receivers that he has.
Johnson is in an intriguing pick, being versatile as a receiver and a returner as well. It is too early to say much about it. Fisher is also a good coach, and perhaps he feels like the receivers he has are improving and ready. Still, I can’t blame Titan fans for feeling a bit angry and confused over this pick. After watching the consensus worst receiving corps. in the NFL last year, I understand they are frustrated they haven’t done much to upgrade it during the past two offseasons.
by TheElusiveShadow on
May 13, 2008 1:44 AM CDT
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