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The Greg Davis Review: Introduction

Happy Friday!

C'mon now, chin up: This won't be so bad. I've actually thought about doing a full blown Davis review for a long time - years now, really - and I think I'm finally ready to get down in the mud and do this thing.

WHY NOW?

A combination of factors:

  1. As much consternation as Greg Davis has inspired in this fan base over the years, he's still in Austin, while Will Muschamp arrives as Texas' sixth defensive coordinator during Mack Brown's tenure.
  2. 2007 was Davis' 10th season in Austin. As an American sports fan, I am obligated to give special meaning to numbers with zero at the end.
  3. I just completed a maddening four-hour research session tonight in which I compiled an enormous amount of data that wound up not at all suiting what I intended to discuss. But the bloated Excel sheet will be ideal for this project.
  4. Though our classroom hamster disagrees, the arrival of Major Applewhite may well mark the beginning of a different chapter in the Davis era; this strikes me as a fine time to review Davis' record, if only to better situate ourselves for evaluating any Applewhite impact.

  5. Beergut2_medium

    "He really can't see us, can he."

FORMAT?

On several occasions I've resisted starting this project, usually because there's been actual news to discuss; for this undertaking to be worth the while, it needs to be thorough. With so little news right now and my summer job making Morning Coffee all but impossible, this is a great time to give this thing the full treatment and see what comes of it. My tentative plan:

Part 1: Setting The Stage

  * Reviewing Davis' pre-Texas career
  * Outlining the Texas offense leading up to his arrival

Part 2: Year-By-Year Review

  * Starting with 1998, a year-by-year analysis of the Texas offense, including:

  1. Personnel review
  2. Texas offense season narrative (big picture summary)
  3. Season statistical breakdown
  4. Performance in big games / against good defenses

Part 3: Multi-year Review

  * Davis' performances as OC as broken down by career, by starting quarterback, etc.

Part 4: Conclusions

  * Tally it all up, see what we've learned

If that all sounds a little too much like a trip to the dentist, try to remember that at least three of the years - 1998, 2004, 2005 - are gonna be burnt orange porn. I'm rather looking forward to 1999 and 2003, as well.

In any case, that's the plan. I'm guessing the 14-18 posts will take about a month to get through, once other posts I want to write are factored in. If and when you have ideas for improving the series, or specific questions you want answered, pipe up now and throughout. Like I said, if we're gonna do it, we're doing it right - the more thorough, the better.

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Do want!

Peter, email me if you need any help on this. I want to leave no stone unturned, here.

by Horn Brain on Jun 13, 2008 7:29 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Me too!

Any opportunity to refer to Beergut as a small rodent should be cherished!

So take that.

by Kahuna on Jun 13, 2008 7:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bubble Screen

What seems to be one of Davis’ favorite--and most frustrating—plays is the bubble screen or flanker screen (or whatever it is called). If you can find them, I would love to see the stats on this. I would guess it averages less than 2 yards per attempt, with losses on a large percentage of plays.

"Only angry people win football games." --DKR

by OBdoc on Jun 13, 2008 9:38 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I would bet you're wrong.

I bet the average is more like 8 yards, but the median may be 2 yards. Seems like every year we break one long one against Rice or someone. I think that is why Davis still calls them, he knows the play averages 8 yards. He does not take into account we are not playing Rice every week. But I agree with your sentiment.

by billb on Jun 13, 2008 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Our version

Seems predicated on the receiver beating one man. When he does, he gets good yardage. When he doesnt, well, thats the one we remember.

What frustrates me, is when I watch OU run basically the same play, but they will swing out the RB before the snap, so they have a blocker for every defender, and the screen receiver is free to chose his path upfield until the LB or safety arrives. Ours it always seems theres a defender 5 ft from him when he catches, and its up to our guy to beat him.

This worked well with Roy by the way.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Jun 13, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How Much Freedom?

Many have assumed that Brown has stuck with Davis all this time out of loyalty and friednship. Another possibility is that Davis is doing pretty much what Mack wants in terms of personnel, play-calling, overall scheme, etc. It would be interesting to know just how freedom Davis really has.

"Only angry people win football games." --DKR

by OBdoc on Jun 13, 2008 10:11 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The other thing is production

Ill be one of the first to say that with the talent we feel we have had, we should be doing more on offense. But that the same time its hard to ignore the kind of production Greg Davis HAS had on offense.

Looking through the past 8 years, these are Texas’ national rankings in first scoring offense, then total offense.

2007 – 14th – 13th
2006 – 6th – 22nd
2005 – 1st – 3rd
2004 – 12th – 7th
2003 – 6th – 20th
2002 – 16th – 48th
2001 – 6th – 38th
2000 – 8th – 14th

The site I use doesnt go before 2000, and Im too lazy to complete the list, especially when the data currently supports my claim, which is thus: Say what you will about his individual gameplanning or playcalling, but in the last 8 years, Texas has averaged the 8.6th best scoring offense, and 20.6th best total offense. Theres not many out there that have been better.

So to loyalty, friendship, and I guess, subservience, I would also add pretty decent results.

In comparison, USC (the most offensive minded Good Team I could think of over that period) averaged being 28.2th in scoring offense and 21.7th in total offense. If you throw out 2001 (Norm Chow’s first year) those numbers become 18.8th in scoring and 16.1th in total offense. Point being, Texas has been pretty good.

Sorry if I rained a little on your stat parade PB, just wanted to point out the offense has been fairly consistently good under Mack/GD, the defense has usually dictated if we are a good team, or a great team.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Jun 13, 2008 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok one more

Just because I cant get enough of football talk, and I thought OU might be a good barometer in this regard as well, since we would have similar opponents, and they have also been a “Good” team in the past 8 years.

The Sooner’s 8 year average – 17th in scoring offense and 34.9th in total offense. If you want to toss out the 2005 debacle year for them, they still come in at 11.4th scoring, and 29.6th in total offense.

I think its also worth it to point out that in both OU and USC’s case, over the past 8 years they have definitely had one hell of a stinker on offense, and UT has not, the worst year for us being 2002. Ok now Im done.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Jun 13, 2008 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

2 Things to point out on a Friday

First, reason #2 is worded perfectly.

Second, the “so little news right now “ is soooo much better than last summer at this time. {Knocks on wood}

So you're saying that now I have to think of some witty Sig that will be applicable across all the SBN sites? Go TexanHornStros!

by Shake on Jun 13, 2008 10:18 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

focus on top 15 opponents

While the stats about scoring offense and total offense from above do support Greg Davis. I want to see what the numbers look like against Top 15 opponents and the play calling during certain game situations. I feel thats more accumen to evaluating Greg Davis. Our talent alone should be able to blow out the likes of our usual pu pu platter of ooc games and the big 12 north (minus K-State). Also…if we know Mack Brown to be a conserative coach in big games, maybe he’s the one dictating Davis’s play calls during crucial drives and situations throughout the game

by Houstonhorn on Jun 13, 2008 11:15 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Darn

I’m still waiting for you to kick the pile.

by jc25 on Jun 13, 2008 11:27 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ditto

It's a Horns' world. Even Aggies play hoops with a burnt orange ball.
Is it football season YET?

by Speedway on Jun 13, 2008 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Big games

I’m not surprised at all that our offense ranks high consistently; after all, we do pummel quite a few bad teams every year.

I’ll also be the first to point out that GD gets way too much blame sometimes as fans are just looking for someone to skewer.

However, he still justifiably gets ripped for stupid gameplans, play calls, and overall ineffectiveness in bigger games. Against teams that are way below us, we can call whatever we want and still score. That doesn’t happen against quality opponents.

A few games stick out immediately: OSU in 2006, when we averaged 5.6 yards per carry and were running all over that overrated OSU defense and yet managed a measly touchdown (I love how we threw more times with our freshmen QB than ran it… and all those throws were wussy short ones). OU of that year wasn’t great either until Mack told him to allow Colt to throw the ball deep (touchdown, Limas Sweed). OU of 2004 comes to mind as we posted a grand total of zero points. Heck, OU of nearly every year sticks out. OU was better than us, but not to the tune of 65-13.

He also does things that normally don’t show up on a box score, like call a really dumb play to kill the momentum of a drive. Sometimes we’re driving fine until he calls one of those god-forsaken bubble screens or runs a mysterious option out of nowhere. Now our consistent second and fives of the possession turn into second and eights or nines. Gah.

But again, he gets way too much blame. At the end of the day, the players have to go out and play the game, and it’s not like he caused all the defensive collapses we’ve had.

by TheElusiveShadow on Jun 13, 2008 11:28 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree that situationally

Is where I have problems with Greg.

Just meaning to point out, that its not as if he has done horrible things with the offense where its obvious to anyone but Mack that he should be fired.

I dont think anyone could really argue that USC or OU has a fair amount of lesser offensive talent than we have, or played a fair amount of a stronger schedule than we have, and yet overall we have out performed them both on the offensive side of the ball.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Jun 13, 2008 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mobile QB

I think GD excells with a mobile QB. I hope he learnes pretty fast how to run an offense with a passing QB, because another one is coming! I think he will though. The defense has been more of a problem than the offense.

by Longhorns84 on Jun 13, 2008 1:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

PB, where are the words of praise

that used to reside on the left hand side of the previous BON? I saw that SMQ still has some endorsements there. Where are BONs? Were the dropped for sake of scroll-ability?

It's a Horns' world. Even Aggies play hoops with a burnt orange ball.
Is it football season YET?

by Speedway on Jun 13, 2008 1:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Lost 'em in the transition

And haven’t put ‘em back up yet. I’ll get around to it one of these days…

--PB--

by Peter Bean on Jun 13, 2008 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Greg Davis

.....delivers the exact offense that Mack Brown expects on the playing field. While his gameplan consistently puts 66 on NewMexSt and 69 on Stanford, Mack’s meddling to introduce a more conservative form off offense has led to less than successful results against opponents with equal, or close, talent levels. Thus, Mack’s record of 3-6 vs. Bob Stoops, 2-4 vs. Kansas State and 6-12 vs. Top-10 opponents.

As for the commitment of Garrett Gilbert and the need for a passing offense, I’m glad to believe Mack/Davis have finally come to the conclusion VY was a once-in-a-lifetime athlete who can’t be replicated. Even by R.Shepard. They are on board with a spread offense and Major will have an impact on the development of our version. Attacking defenses with various alignments and misdirection will make the offense less predictable. I believe we’re on a better path to future success.

--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---

by HornChamps on Jun 13, 2008 3:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I still think Davis is a very good QB coach

but an an average-to-good offensive coordinator.

My experience has been that Davis knows his offense, backwards and forwards, which is the mark of any good coach. He knows how to answer pretty much anything a defense throws at him. 
My problem with his offensive scheme is two-fold:

a) His offense’s success depends on having more talent than his opponents, or equally talented opponents making a mistake. IMHO, a good offensive scheme is one that can make average talent competitive against more talented teams, and more talented teams damn-near unbeatable (see Urban Meyer’s spread single wing offense).

b) His answers to a defense’s adjustments to stop what he does is too limited, especially in the running game. When the defense says if you do this I’ll do that, and you say then I’ll do this, and they say then I’ll do this or this, and you have no answer for that, that’s bad. I think defense’s now know what to do to make Greg Davis’ offense do what THEY want it to do so they can stop it. (I have to believe this, b/c I mean, c’mon, Gary fucking Darnell shut this shit down two years in a row.)

I was excited/worried to see Davis bring out a Fly Series last year with Chiles, but he only ran that for one or two games (Iowa State and ???) and then quit using it. Adding to their running game would make texas' offense more diverse and more difficult to stop, but after ten years, I don't think we're going to see that anytime soon.

by Beergut on Jun 13, 2008 3:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

dammit dammit dammit

Still don’t know why that is happening.

” He knows his offense, backwards and forwards, which is the mark of any good coach.

Whatever the defense does to stop him, he knows how to answer."
and
"I was excited/worried to see Davis bring out a Fly Series last year with Chiles, but he only used it for one or two games (Iowa State and ???), and then shut it down. Adding another offensive series like the Fly would make texas' running game more diverse and more difficult to stop, but after ten years, I don't think we'll see that happening.
Davis seems content to stick with running out of 10, 11, and 21 personnel all the time. "

by Beergut on Jun 13, 2008 3:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If you want to quote
Use the little quotes button on the replies. It will look like this!

Or type it manually with < blockquote > texttexttext < /blockquote > without the spaces by the greater than less than signs.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Jun 13, 2008 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

shortened version

The use of the Fly Series with Chiles last season in the Iowa State game gave me hope, but I tihnk the only used it for two games the whole season, and then scrapped it.

Additional series in the running game would improve texas’ offense and make it more difficult to stop, but after ten years, I don’t think we’re going to see that happen.

by Beergut on Jun 13, 2008 3:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I may have to
I just don’t understand why it keeps doing that to my comments

by Beergut on Jun 13, 2008 5:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

are you typing in a word document and then cutting and pasting?

it might be accepting some embedded formatting or something like that.

by billyzane on Jun 13, 2008 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

nope

typing in Word and the cutting and pasting would require effort.

I try to avoid that at all costs :-)

by Beergut on Jun 13, 2008 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

predictable

I’d like to see a stat that explains what opposing defensive coaches pick up on when they play a Greg Davis offense. What is it about his playcalling that makes him so predictable? How many series in a row does he call the same pattern of plays, and how does it compare with offensive wunderkinds like Mike Leach, Urban Meyer, and whoever else you want to compare him to. I think it would be appropriate to break the plays down by zone. (i.e. playcalling in the red zone should be different than playcalling on the offense’s own 20)

If I am elected mayor, my first official act will be to kill the lot of you and burn your town to cinders

by 98horn on Jun 13, 2008 5:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i am really looking forward to this Davis review series

although please don’t just regurgitate the same old critiques (some of which is in the comments on this thread). I think my favorite part will be watching the Davis apologists trying to stick up for him.

Crystal Balls

by MMHorns on Jun 13, 2008 6:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Davis review....hmmmmmmm

You shouldn’t be the first to do this, PB.

As early as ‘68 as I slaved in the bottom of the BEB with punch cards for the CDC 6600, truly ancient and forgotten by now, there was this giant rack of output for the UT football department. Part of that was the Horns scouting themselves, measuring in inches of pages. My buddy inside the glass said they did this every week of the season and it had priority over most everything. Never got to read it, but I tried several times. They were so possessive…

So, you’d think, at the very least, the Horns still do that; always a smart move. So, I am usually stunned to see the same shit happening in the play calling year after year. Knock knock! Is there anybody at home? What is this blindness? Who is so oblivious”

Well, maybe you’ll reveal some of that because I intuitively feel there was some willful ignorance over this span of years. Maybe GDGD is a closet minimalist while masquerading as a maximizer with grand stats. Who knows?

No doubt we bought a lot of hype, but then we, as fans, always create a buyers market.

By late June we are all orange-bellied piranhas in a dried up Austin water hole. We chew up the slightest news and wayward rumors with a scary, mind-stunning frenzy – and then gnaw on the bones – and then the ghosts of the bones, remembering how good it was the first time and how good it will be in the future. We hunger, relentlessly hunger.

I don’t even feel bad about that. Because there are more desperate characters out there waiting for good news. My in-the-know Baylor buddy is expecting three (count ‘em 3) victories from Briles…this lowered expectation thing is getting around. And despite the latest local flatulence (llf), the aggies ain’t saying nothing, nothing at all…psst…they have pros…of some kind.

At any rate, I’ll be looking for the great insight. Oh, bug in water….

by whills on Jun 14, 2008 12:08 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm quite certain texas does some self-scouting

Every college does.

Now, how they look at that information is a different matter.

by Beergut on Jun 14, 2008 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If they had pages inches thick back then...

how much more info might they have now? And if you’re doing that every week, that’s a lot of info to go through, on top of all the other priorities they have. So there could be a possibility that they’re missing the forest for the trees, concentrating on the details while not seeing the bigger picture.

Hook 'em Horns

by LonghornWSO on Jun 15, 2008 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True, that's possible.

It could be in interpretation and analysis, as beergut suggests. This form of data collection and massage, should, in fact, be nearly an art form by now.

This is how you pinpoint your own weaknesses and effectiveness to the nth degree (as opposed to the eyeball, on-field assessment and its subjective factors which are sometimes just as good) and how you game plan to cover those up on both sides of the ball.

Even a list of plays for each game would yield a lot just on inspection. This is in HB territory, because you can get that from game film.

Situational tendencies are what coaches are looking for. The subjective side would be a search for incipient weaknesses and ‘tells’ – I recently had a Rice LB tell me about a former UT tackle whose tell revealed a pass or run on every play via his right heel (pre-Mack era). If it was down, it was a pass; if it was up, a run. 100% accurate; they had LB calls geared to it. Not that Rice could necessarily stop the plays, but better teams definitely could use such info.

This is just one of those areas without much transparency that we know exists, although we seriously wonder if it is functioning effectively. Sometime people can’t state the unvarnished truth – and sometime those in power don’t want to hear it. Even with the vast info in this age, it’s usually the human factor that leads to obliviousness. Computers only do what you tell them to do – and sometimes so do assistant coaches.

I guess the key question behind this is whether Major can bring real insight to the offensive strategy. His ability to see the field and the defensive set-up would allow him to analyze the play calling and make certain judgments about poor and incorrect calls for the situation. Whether he actually does this or can bring these judgments to the table is the real question. Obviously, many here would breathe a sigh of relief if that was possible.

by whills on Jun 15, 2008 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When looking at pre-GD...

we need to go back to the mid-80’s. I remember bitching about the offense and them running the same crap. Do we as fans expect to have the Lamborghini in both the offensive and defensive garages? We had some good D’s in the 80’s but no imagination on offense. In the 90’s we had a decent O with Mac ‘o prick but had a Yugo for a D.

Can you have your cake and Edith too? I bash Davis like anyone, but I would like to see how he stacks up to the past. I agree with the above comments on his stats and how he goes into his shell in the big games (except in ‘05 and we know why there).

Look forward to reading this PB. Got to be better than Olseenish pre-season mags (except your book of course).

by Bevoboy94 on Jun 14, 2008 9:52 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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