Let's Talk About: Texas Tech
Over in the diaries, errr... "fan posts", a debate is taking place over the merits of Texas Tech's lofty preseason internal aspirations and external expectations. The general consensus seems to be that Tech will probably be better this year than they have been since 2005, they're still Tech: that weird school with the weird coach that upsets a better team every year and loses to inferior team every year.
While this has been true in the past, I don't think that reflects poorly on Mike Leach as a coach, as some seem to. It's the nature of the beast he has created in Lubbock. Leach could have been content with Tech being a mediocre team that loses to good teams with better players and beats the teams it's supposed to. But he instead created a system that allowed his inferior players to beat the best on any given Saturday. Unfortunately for Leach, however, if his offensive system isn't working, Tech can lose to teams that have even more inferior talent than it. Why? In short, no damn defense.
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Some people seem to think that there's something inherent about Leach or his offensive system that ensures a lack of defensive prowess at Tech. He doesn't coach them well; he doesn't care about that side of the ball; his offensive system doesn't give them enough rest. While bits and pieces of those explanations might be true, I don't buy them as anything more than small components of why Tech's defense is bad.
I believe it runs much deeper than that. I have touched on this topic before, but not as it exclusively relates to Tech. Essentially, the theory goes: (1) offenses can be enginnered to take advantage of inferior athletes much more easily than defenses. (2) defenses require great athletes to be great. (3) it's very hard to recruit great athletes to Lubbock, Texas. (4) therefore, Leach's offenses have outpaced his defenses. Look around college football at the mid-level programs that have over-achieved in the past 10 years. What do they all have in common? Explosive offense; spotty defense. There's nothing inherent to Mike Leach's offense that makes his defenses bad; it's the fact that he coaches at Texas Tech and not Texas.
If any of you have read the Blind Side by Michael Lewis, you'll recall his discussion of Bill Walsh's innovative West Coast offense. Well, NOW it's called innovative. Back when it was introduced, it was thought of as gimmicky and voodoo. Sound familiar? Then Walsh (who himself said that defensive prowess depends primarily on having great athletes and smart football players, not a scheme) and his 49ers got a defense and won a few Super Bowls and now teams freely use the West Coast Offense as a viable system.
The question is, can Tech get the athletes on defense necessary to be an elite team (even if just for a year or two)? Well, with success comes better recruiting. And Texas Tech has been having quite a bit of success the last 8 years. Not Texas-level success certainly, but a type of success that leads to progressively better recruits who might not choose Tech over Texas, but who would choose Tech over Missouri or Kansas State or Okie State or even perhaps A&M. And once those recruits succeed, he gets better ones. He's never going to get the types of athletes that Texas and OU get, but I don't think he has to.
Texas Tech has beaten OU twice and Texas once under Leach and has a 6-2 record vs. A&M. And he's fairly consistently challenged Texas even in the losses. And he's doing this with a TERRIBLE defense. Imagine what his teams could do with even a mediocre defense. If Tech held Texas to 35 points a game, Tech would win more than half the time, most likely. If Tech had a good defense, not even a great one, I think they could be a top 10 team every year. And I tend to think that it's not impossible for that to happen.
Now, does that mean that Tech can compete for the national championship this year? Probably not. The defense isn't there yet, but it's a whole lot better than it used to be. So can they win the Big 12? Absolutely. Will they? Who the hell knows. The only problem I have with Leach's system is that it's like the knuckleball of offensive systems. When it's working, it's practically unhittable. When it's not, well, it just hangs up there waiting to get hit out of the park.
The question I have is whether Harrell and Crabtree, et al. are good enough football players to make the offense more consistent in a way that all those mediocre offensive players before them were not. That is what's going to make this seson, I think.
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state of TT football
You pretty well nailed it — my compliments, and they don’t come lightly.
Coupla points on Tech football: The school has always done better than anyone in the state when it comes to attracting and developing walk-ons, and this is good because Leach’s program has awfully high attrition among its scholarship players (I have theories on this, but not now).
Also, I don’t think the defense is as weak as you portray it. ANY wide-open offense is going to be feast or famine. When the latter happens, the defense is either stuck with poor field position or given too little time to rest. Even when the former happens, the defense may have to return to the field quickly after the offense scores a long TD. Defense is best played with 75-80 yards to defend, not 40, and after its offense has held the ball a few minutes.
As for Red Raiders ever winning the Big 12, I doubt it (unless Mack and Stoops leave their jobs). Tech won’t win in Norman this year and won’t win in Austin next year, and so it goes. Also, the more times a program plays Leach’s offense, and the more copies of Leach’s attack that other schools employ, the less effective that offense will be.
by edsp on Jun 17, 2008 1:33 PM CDT 1 recs
nicely written
It also makes you wonder why the big name programs (Miami, UCLA, et al) refused to consider Leach’s services. He comes off as rambunctious at times, but he’s a hell of a character and would be at the very least, an interesting face of a program. Pair him with a halfway decent defensive coordinator and an easily recruitable school, and you should have yourselves a winnar.
PS: It appears that recruitable isn’t a word. Although it sounds like it should be.
by jc25 on Jun 17, 2008 1:58 PM CDT 0 recs
it isn't a mystery
It also makes you wonder why the big name programs (Miami, UCLA, et al) refused to consider Leach’s services.Unless you are a great, great coach who is going to possibly win a multiple conference titles and/or national titles, most programs don’t want alcoholics representing them. Leach made a run at Miami; they didn’t want him.
by Beergut on
Jun 17, 2008 2:08 PM CDT
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Off the top of my head
I’ve heard a lot of the alcohols jokes for Gillispie at UK.
And for what it’s worth, I believe my post was insinuating that Leach at a major program (like UCLA or Miami) could “possibly win multiple conference titles and/or national titles.”
by jc25 on
Jun 17, 2008 2:59 PM CDT
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they're probably true
I’ll never deny that Gillispie likes to gallavant. The point of having potential to win multiple conference/national titles was actually made with Gillispie in mind.
I also believe that Leach’s disdain for the defense also keeps him from advancing to a major program. If he was to ever have a shot, I think Miami was that chance. Instead, they hired a defensive coordinator from within (taking nothing from Randy Shannon, who I think will eventually do well there, if he ever gets a competent QB, but hiring a coordinator is not the same as hiring a head coach from another BCS program, prestige-wise).
by Beergut on
Jun 18, 2008 3:06 AM CDT
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Should be a word. I'm surprised it's not. nt whills
It's a Horns' world. Even Aggies play hoops with a burnt orange ball.
Is it football season YET?
by Speedway on
Jun 17, 2008 2:24 PM CDT
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I dub it our own BON football colloquialism.
Dictionaries just play catch-up any way.
We live on the front of the wave here, not the back.
by whills on
Jun 17, 2008 7:50 PM CDT
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Stat of the day
Avg. yards allowed per game in 2007:
Texas 374.8
Tech 367.1
OUCH!
by Horncasting on Jun 17, 2008 2:00 PM CDT 0 recs
Well, take out Tech's 476 yards last year
and we have the edge.
Of course, if you take out our 551 yards and 59 points the Horns scored, they have the edge, but still are losers.
So that ain’t much of an ouch as a signifier of how poor our D was.
KSU ouch a&m ouch
by whills on
Jun 17, 2008 7:58 PM CDT
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the problem with this statement
Imagine what his teams could do with even a mediocre defense.Peole have been saying that since he arrived in 2000; if he doesn’t field a stellar defense by now, it is b/c he isn’t willing to make the changes necessary (i.e. move some athletes off of the offense) to do so.
by Beergut on Jun 17, 2008 2:17 PM CDT 0 recs
heres my problem with UT and Beergut's take on Tech
Particularly in the case of UT fans, this just wreaks of Big Brother Syndrome. Great, we’re better than Tech. We all know that. Why the need to belittle what they’ve done in the Big 12. Again, for the close minded, Tech’s the only school in Big 12 history w/o a losing record. And winning either 8 or 9 games per year for 6 years is no joke.
They have the best WR in the country, the preeminent sports journalist in the country wrote an expose on him in the NYT, records are set each and every year. Why not celebrate what they’ve done? So what if they haven’t won any championships. They’re a unique story and program and it’s good for the game, and good for the Big 12.
Teams like Louisville aren’t considered mediocre, but Tech has had just as much success basically, in a much tougher conference, and have been more consistent. There’s nothing mediocre about the program right now. I don’t get the Big Brother need to disparage them.
And here’s one final thought for those who say they don’t play anybody OOC. Well, why the hell would college coaches want to play them? There’s nothing to gain. You won’t see an offense like that really the rest of the year. If you win, meh, solid win. If you lose, you’re in trouble. I can see why nobody wants to play them, ever, even at home.
by Blitzburgh on Jun 17, 2008 2:26 PM CDT 0 recs
If it makes you feel better
I consider Louisville to be mediocre.
by BoddickerIsClutch on
Jun 17, 2008 2:38 PM CDT
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heres my problem with BLITZBURGH's take on Tech
Particularly in the case of Tech, this just wreaks of…. ok I’m kidding.
But seriously, I am one of those close minded people that you speak of. I do not think that winning 8 or 9 games a year for 6 years is good. College football is about Championships!
What do Purdue, Iowa, Penn St, Washington, Washington St, Maryland, Kansas St, Colorado, and Wake forest have in common???? Since 2000, all of these teams have at least one Conference Championship. Now, right now I’m sure you consider your team better than all these teams, almost every single year, with your 8-9 wins….. But these guys are CHAMPIONS.
50 years from now when a teenage boy is researching schools to attend for football he is going to see that all those teams had a Championship during 2000-2007….... he will not even read anything about Tech.
But hey if those 8-9 wins suits you. then good for you! :)
by texasfan05 on
Jun 17, 2008 3:28 PM CDT
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So why do you care...
if the rest of us do think winning 8 or 9 games a year for 6 years is good, especially if it’s done with inferior talent in a recruiting blackhole with no programmic history to speak of (which is hardly Mike Leach’s fault). I think PB made an excellent point, which I’d add by stating:
If you think Texas Tech should be better than Texas every year, you aren’t being fair to the inherent differences between the two schools. If you think Texas Tech should do considerably better than they have under Leach, than you probably have unrealistic expectations for what it is we are capable of doing.
We’re a program on the up-and-up and you guys think we’re mediocre. If your definition of mediocre involves Texas Tech, then we’re simply having a vocabulary discussion. I don’t think it’s mediocre.
by Skin Patrol on
Jun 18, 2008 6:41 PM CDT
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Beergut's take
may be from concern that Tech is supplanting A&M as second best team in Texas.
by Wells on
Jun 18, 2008 5:17 PM CDT
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"Has supplanted"
Maybe Wells was just showing Beergut some mercy.
A 6-2 head to head since Leech came on board, combined with a notably higher in conference win percentage over that time frame? Advantage: Pirates.
That said, Tech really needs to get better at winning games outside of Lubbock.
by learned hand on
Jun 18, 2008 6:52 PM CDT
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I'll give you "is supplanting"
While right now, Tech has certainly passed A&M in terms of football prowess, the position is not cemented. If Sherman turns out to be an ok coach, you can expect to go to at least splitting your games with the Aggies starting next season. A&M still out-recruits you by a hell of a lot each year, but since you’ve gotten in their heads with some embarrassing blowouts, they almost literally shit themselves every time they have to play you – Hence the Darnell 1-0-10 defense. If Sherman flops as badly as Fran did, and Leach stays on course, you may start to see recruiting even out a bit between you (That’s a big maybe. I don’t know how expensive the gap is between A&M’s and your facilities, tennis ball cannons not withstanding.) At that point, you will “have supplanted” the Aggies, as it will take a period of rebuilding for A&M to dig itself back to respectability with recruits. Right now, it could end at any time.
by Horn Brain on
Jun 18, 2008 8:50 PM CDT
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I will dispute that “A&M still out-recruits you by a hell of a lot each year” which can’t be true in years like 2006 (because they didn’t out-recruit us) and probably not true in years like 2002 or 2004 where the difference was marginal. I’m not certain we have to beat A&M in recruiting to beat them on the field anyways, as that hasn’t been necessary at all through the Leach years. But, let me add, that I’m of the opinion that Ruffin is a much, much better recruiter for the D than Leach ever was, and Leach’s program speaks (to the kids) for itself on offense.
Now, to your last point, if supplanting a program means beating them in recruiting (only), then I’m not at all worried about supplanting A&M, ever. I’m more worried about beating them.
by Skin Patrol on
Jun 19, 2008 6:43 AM CDT
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Not trying to put down Tech in favor of Aggies by any means...
... I was just noting that A&M could turn it around starting this year if they made the right changes. I’m all for you guys supplanting them, which I did not say means recruiting only. I said that:
At that point, you will "have supplanted" the Aggies, as it will take a period of rebuilding for A&M to dig itself back to respectability with recruits.
referring to out-recruiting them consistently or thereabouts. What I meant was that you already beat them every year, but you could solidify that position if you cut into their recruiting base to the point where it will take them a lengthy period of success (much like the one you’re enjoying now) against you to get things back to the old hierarchy. It’s like you have to win the war (done) but then you have to win over the population (doing). Keep it up, by all means, I’m not trying to marginalize your success by any means.
by Horn Brain on
Jun 19, 2008 8:04 AM CDT
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some corrections
A&M still out-recruits you by a hell of a lot each year, but since you’ve gotten in their heads with some embarrassing blowouts, they almost literally shit themselves every time they have to play you – Hence the Darnell 1-0-10 defense.
How well we recruit doesn’t mean a damn thing if we don’t develop the players; Fran proved that in spades. I think we had better material to work with as far as talent, but Tech had better coaching than Fran and his staff. I don’t think anyone would dispute that.
As far as blowout wins for Tech goes, that only happens in Lubbock, where Fran was scared to play Tech (what was reason enough to fire him, if you ask me). Leach’s one loss to Fran was in College Station, and the last game came down to the last few seconds (not to say that it is good to barely lose the game, losing is still losing). I do think that if we win two games in a row against Tech (beating them in College Station and Lubbock in consecutive years), people will forget about them.
The 1-10 defense was actually run by Carl Torbush, not Darnell. Darnell was more in favor of playing prevent all game long.
I’m not worried about Tech supplanting A&M. Reality is, they don’t have the alumni base or financial resources to do so. I’d wait until Tech can actually win a division title in football before I’d even start talking about this subject.
Tech fans may protest otherwise, but when you consistently perform at an average level, and never take the next step up to be a good or great team, you are mediocre. Tech is incapable of taking the next step and winning the South Division, forget about playing for the Big 12 Championship, but they’ll consistently crank out 7-8 win seasons, and they’re okay with that. This is why they are mediocre.
by Beergut on
Jun 20, 2008 4:44 AM CDT
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I personally love Tech (second to UT, of course)
but if it makes you feel better, I consider Louisville to be mediocre as well.
by jc25 on Jun 17, 2008 2:56 PM CDT 0 recs
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I meant secondary to UT in the Big XII. I’m no giant Tech fan, but definitely love watching them play.
by jc25 on
Jun 17, 2008 3:00 PM CDT
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louisville
Maybe not best comparison. Name just came to my head. How about Clemson? They have a very similar record since Leech joined Tech. Point is, his career record in Lubbock is far from mediocre. If you take out his first two years (7 wins a piece I believe), his record’s on the cusp of being top 15 over that span. There’s just nothing mediocre about them. They’re not contenders really for titles against the likes of UT and OU, but for the resources and (lack there of) tradition, they’re really doing great things.
And as you said jc25, who the hell doesnt enjoy watching them play? Even if its comical how they compromise their defense at times, it’s pure entertainment.
by Blitzburgh on Jun 17, 2008 3:10 PM CDT 0 recs
I consider Clemson mediocre
For the record though, I dont consider Tech mediocre. They scare the crap out of me every year, and are my favorite Big 12 team, save Texas of course, to watch during bowl games.
by BoddickerIsClutch on
Jun 19, 2008 11:15 AM CDT
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Mr. Crabtree, I'm going to water my lawn now....
I like Mike Leach. You never know what’s going to come out of his mouth next. The whole pirate thing that he’s been doing the past couple of years is working I think. It’s Lubbock, out in the middle of nowhere, no one gives them a shot (at winning). I think Sand Aggies rally around that mentality. The whole “us against the world” thing can be very motivating. He’s done that very well. That and the fact that you cannot stop Michael Crabtree, you can only hope that he’s tired from the last touchdown bodes well for future Sand Aggies. But yeah, the defense has to step up and make it’s mark to win the Big 12, without it they’re just a track team without a finish line.
...and ou still sucks.
by UTHomeSearch on Jun 17, 2008 4:03 PM CDT 0 recs
I've always said...
That with Leach there, they will never contend seriously for a national title, and probably not a Big 12 title. They can and will field good teams that can threaten bigger college football powers and win 10 games, but with his coaching philosophy, I just don’t see it. You don’t win championships by ignoring defense and special teams.
I will disagree a little with this post: Better defensive players don’t come to Lubbock not only because Texas and OU are better places. Any smart person KNOWS that Leach doesn’t focus on defense. Why come to a school where they won’t help you improve? Even players who would be guaranteed starting defensive jobs at Tech would be wiser to go to Oklahoma, Texas, LSU, and even A&M, even though they would risk competition.
This even hurts Leach on offense. Another big reason I don’t think Leach will ever win big prizes is his refusal to develop a consistent run game. I’ll give him props for his gimmick offense, and it can be entertaining. However, there are always times when you need to grind out tough yardage, and Tech can never consistently do that. What top runningback wants to go there? Leach may attract decent QB recruits (even the great ones are wary, because no Tech quarterback is ever successfully prepared for the NFL and Harrell was the first non-fifth year QB in a while) and good WR recruits, but the other key parts of the football team will always be lacking as long as he sticks with his current philosophy.
I think it’s way too simplistic to say that if Tech had a good defense, they’d be awesome. They need a change in culture, in philosophy, and with that will come a natural sacrifice to offensive numbers. Part of the reason they often have gaudy stats is because their defense can’t stop anyone and it turns into a Wild West shootout. They also need a better run game; this past season, our shootout game featured something like 10 measly yards on the ground from Tech. That’s not going to cut it. When they brought that crap against our national title team of ‘05, they got annihilated as they had to settle for dinking and dunking for measly yardage against our fast secondary.
Leach is funny, and his Raiders are a dangerous team on Saturdays. I am not trying to rain down on Tech right now. However, I can’t simply say that if we stuck a good defense in Lubbock, they’d be great. I think the problems are inherent to the very culture Leach has brought. If they want better D, a better kicking game, and a better run game, Leach has to leave. But if he does, there goes his wacky offense… and then this discussion doesn’t make much sense anymore.
by TheElusiveShadow on Jun 17, 2008 4:13 PM CDT 0 recs
To clarify
When I said “any smart person,” I mean the players themselves who are looking for a college to go too. I did not mean billyzane or anyone, who made a very thoughtful and good post that brought up good discussion.
by TheElusiveShadow on
Jun 17, 2008 4:16 PM CDT
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Though I agree with all points...
...and find the post to be a logical, and potentially accurate portrayal of what may come, I rec’d it primarily for the “I will defend mike leach to the death tag”.
by learned hand on Jun 17, 2008 4:27 PM CDT 1 recs
And I rec'd your comment
For your keen eye with tags.
--PB--
by PB @ BON on
Jun 17, 2008 4:57 PM CDT
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I appreciate the attention you gents give to the details
by learned hand on
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The defense has gotten better
Other than one comment about Tech having better total defense numbers there isn’t one statistic cited in this thread. It’s just assumed Tech’s defense sucks balls. That’s possibly because Texas has scored 240 points over the last five Tech games (48 ppg) and that’s all that has been watched. Why don’t we dig a little more deeply.
These are the ranks of Texas Tech with respect to the Big XII in total defense and scoring defense the past five years:
Total D Scoring D
2003 12 9
2004 7 9
2005 5 2
2006 6 8
2007 3 5
In fact, in 2005, Texas Tech was #18 in scoring defense, #15 in pass efficiency defense, and #30 in total defense nationally. By all rights, they had a good quality defense that year. Apparently it’s been forgotten by everyone because something special was happening in Austin in 2005.
They have finished in the top half of the conference in total defense 3 years running and were in the top half in scoring defense 2 of the past 3 years. I’m not arguing that they’re great. They aren’t. But they aren’t terrible and I’d say they have been at the least mediocre the past 3 years.
I have left one statistic out however. In rushing defense the past five years they rank 10, 11, 10, 10, and 10 in the Big XII. In every other way, they’ve improved pretty significantly except for this and I actually think this is where the Leach offense has a drawback. They just don’t get a chance to practice against a physical punishing running team because the Leach offense isn’t physical and punishing. I’d consider it similar to how option teams often struggle against sophisticated passing attacks. They just don’t see it done at a high enough quality in practice to get maximum value out of those team practice reps.
That being said, I don’t think Leach should change the offense. He has to find a way to make his rushing defense less of a liability. And in that respect I agree with the original post. He has to make that offense not just great, but almost historically great in terms of consistency and points. His best running defense is probably his own passing offense.
by DoubleB on Jun 17, 2008 6:10 PM CDT 0 recs
I think you're right
But also let’s not forget that what is any old-guard coach’s response to some wacky offense that puts up a million points a game? Run it down their throats. You burn clock, you score consistently once you’ve worn their defense down by keeping it on the field for 45 minutes, and you frustrate the crap out of them. I think a lot of teams try to keep the offense off the field with the running game, and I’ll bet that’s a sizable part of their running D stats. You should look at yards per carry, in that case.
by Horn Brain on
Jun 17, 2008 6:34 PM CDT
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You're absolutely right, but
it’s hard getting accurate ypc information. The NCAA includes sacks in the total which can deflate the actual running game portion by nearly a yard. A few quick calculations show that teams have been pretty consistently averaging around 4.4 or 4.5 ypc against Tech the past 4 years (they were abysmal in 2003). I’m not sure that’s would rank them consistently 10th in the conference, but I’d be surprised if it put them above 8th.
Your point is well taken, but if a team is playing Texas I’m sure they’d like to do the same thing (keep UT’s offense off the field). But if a team doesn’t have any success, they have to turn to a different strategy (and for the most part they don’t). Against Tech, team’s are having good enough success to continue running the ball. In short, if Tech could stop them team’s would look elsewhere to move the ball. Tech’s not stopping them enough to make team’s do that.
by DoubleB on
Jun 17, 2008 7:14 PM CDT
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Schedule
Let’s also not forget the weak teams Leach loves to play and bit to a pulp. Every team has their whipping boys, but Tech really does often play no-names that they run up the score on and generally try to humiliate. That gives a big boost to their defensive and offensive numbers. Also, beyond stats, I’ve simply watched several Tech games a year. Their defensive never impresses.
I agree, though, that Tech will certainly have “okay” defenses from time to time. But “okay” defenses aren’t going to win titles, at least not in the Big 12. There will be times they are good, as I said in my post above. They’ll win ten games and knock off a top team or two. But I really believe they’ll never compete for the big prizes with Mike Leach there.
by TheElusiveShadow on
Jun 18, 2008 9:27 AM CDT
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Who knew Pirates "bit to a pulp" their prisoners! ;-) nt whills
It's a Horns' world. Even Aggies play hoops with a burnt orange ball.
Is it football season YET?
by Speedway on
Jun 18, 2008 11:07 AM CDT
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it is an axiom of football
In order to win, you have ot be able ot run the ball and stop the run. The inability to do either is why Tech doesn’t get much respect as a team or program capable of winning championships.
Also, I think defensive statistics for passing against Tech are misleading. Because teams can run at will on their defense, there is no reason for them to pass the ball, so pass defense numbers loof good. Also, because of the desire to run the ball and keep Tech’s offense off the field, very little passing is done. I’ve always found it amusing that Tech likes to trumpet their stats on pass defense when their run defense is always proportionally awful.
by Beergut on
Jun 18, 2008 3:18 AM CDT
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Well that chart didn't quite come out
That didn’t work very well. In total defense Tech ranked 12, 7, 5, 6, and 3 the past five years versus the Big XII. In scoring defense Tech ranked 9, 9, 2, 8, and 5.
by DoubleB on Jun 17, 2008 6:13 PM CDT 0 recs
Leach and moderation
I think the flow here indicates that if Leach should moderate the offense, shift some emphasis to defense – both recruiting and allocating players – the team might have better balance and have an improved defensive posture.
I think the odds of this happening are about the same as the winds dying down in Lubbock for six months.
DKR put the best athletes on defense.
Fred did too.
Mackovic put them on offense. Our general recruiting ability helped his defenses early on but couldn’t save it in the long run. Although we did get a residual taste for wine (see FP).
It was the Spiker who started pushing Tech to the passing edge before he lost “institutional control” as they say. Spike knew Texas football and understood, with the coming of the Big 12, that Tech had to have defense. And he parlayed the Bill Yoeman facility for local recruiting into West Texas style football. It wasn’t a big empire, it certainly wasn’t Houston, but it was part of the basis for Leach. Maybe he should cast a wider net nationally although I recommend blindfolding recruits who actually visit.
Leach just amped up the offensive side and let the defense take what was left. He can’t let the defense moderate much because that’s his recruiting siren song. Pirates plunder people who don’t have much defense; they studiously avoid well-armed opponents. Unfortunately, the Big 12 schedule isn’t made for pirates. Aaaaargggggghhhhh.
The real gamble for the future is if he is willing to moderate the offense, come down 100-150 yards and 10-15 points a game and invest that in the defense. Does he want to get serious? Has he looked at his team in light of the kind of teams he’d being playing at the BCS top level? (Now that’s an ouch.) Certainly he can rationalize that as well as he rationalizes the current situation. He’s a fricking lawyer (no offense to lawyers) and a pro rationalizer, and obviously an offensive detailer of the most obsessed sort.
So, while I like BZ’s post and agree with most of it, I think Leach is maximizing his early advantage right now – which will probably be a 7-0 start – to get TV and recruiting attention.
And I also see they are two injuries from oblivion.
by whills on Jun 17, 2008 8:45 PM CDT 0 recs
please explain this statement
And he parlayed the Bill Yoeman facility for local recruiting into West Texas style football.Are you saying Yeoman focused his recruiting on the local area, an approach Dykes duplicated?
Dykes’ genius was that he knew that small high school in West Texas would take their best athletes and put them at RB and QB, and run the option. He would mine those schools in recruiting, sometimes bringing in 6 RBs in one class, and then move those kids to the secondary or LB, and let them use their speed to shut down opposing offenses. Dykes used an aggressive 4-4 defense and the running game to win games; he coached in the SWC and the early Big 12 at a time when offenses were running-dominant, and his approach worked. He would have had to adjust his defensive and offensive schemes in today’s Big 12.
by Beergut on
Jun 18, 2008 3:22 AM CDT
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For correct usage of quotes.
/golfclap
by BoddickerIsClutch on
Jun 18, 2008 10:21 AM CDT
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I agree that's worth applauding.
But BiC don’t you see it happening to a few other BONers this week?
It's a Horns' world. Even Aggies play hoops with a burnt orange ball.
Is it football season YET?
by Speedway on
Jun 18, 2008 11:08 AM CDT
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Yeah I think I even did it once - Stupid BBC tags...
At least if the most consistent offender can fix it, there’s hope for the rest, right?
by BoddickerIsClutch on
Jun 18, 2008 11:22 AM CDT
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Spike didn't change W. Tex football, he mined it
in a similar manner.
Yeoman’s faced an earlier but similar problem recruiting for UH against Texas, LSU, OU and A&M. His facility for recruiting in the Houston area – and UH’s somewhat lower standards – was successful is building up the Coogs around a lot of local talent. He seldom grabbed the big names but he put good talent on the field.
In this respect, Spike, who was a beloved West Texas son from Ballinger, had an inside route in West Texas; it wasn’t as fertile as Houston and Spike did recruit the whole state. Spike took advantage of proximity, reputation and a incredible storehouse of good will. (And there still is; they talk about him in Ballinger like he lives down the street.)
Your analysis of how West Texas teams deployed their talent is accurate. Tech did center around running and good defense with RBs like Byron Hanspard. But if you remember, as the Big 12 began to form up, he started moving toward the passing game and even scheduled OU, Penn State and other stronger teams trying to build up the program. He knew he still didn’t have the horses that Texas, OU and A&M did.
Spike got them as far as he could before he ran into NCAA trouble trying to play catch-up (and those problems wentt specifically went to recruiting academically sub-standard athletes). He was lucky to have loyal assistant coaches.
by whills on
Jun 18, 2008 12:51 PM CDT
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Loyalty
Nothing like having your son(s) run your offense!
Rick now co-owner of the Lubbock Renegades (af2)
Sonny didn’t overlap with Spike at TTU?, now Ariz OC
Rick was our star QB for the fierce Pearce Jr. High Pirates! arrggggghhhh Spike held him out a year so he’d be more “developed”. Their sister Bebe developed nicely as well. heh heh
by horndude on
Jun 18, 2008 2:34 PM CDT
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He lives up here at Horseshoe Bay now.
Heard Fran just moved here, too.
by whills on
Jun 19, 2008 12:51 AM CDT
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I don't understand.
You spend all this time shitting on Mike Leach and Texas Tech, all while saying:
Dykes’ genius was that he knew that small high school in West Texas would take their best athletes and put them at RB and QB, and run the option. He would mine those schools in recruiting, sometimes bringing in 6 RBs in one class, and then move those kids to the secondary or LB, and let them use their speed to shut down opposing offenses. Dykes used an aggressive 4-4 defense and the running game to win games; he coached in the SWC and the early Big 12 at a time when offenses were running-dominant, and his approach worked.
Ok… In the Big 12 he never won more than 7 games, which you’ve elsewhere categorized as mediocre. He had two 9 win seasons, both in the SWC. He qualified for 7 bowl games in his entire 14 year tenure at Tech (Leach is already at 8) and won just 2 of them (Leach is at 5-3). Dykes finished the season ranked twice, at 16/19 and 20/23 (Coaches/AP). Leach has finished ranked three times in the last four years.
I’m not saying this to dog on Spike Dykes, but to point out that you obviously have a grudge against Leach or else you wouldn’t be praising Dykes for accomplishing considerably less when you take into account the entire body of work of both coaches. Either Spike Dykes is great and Leach is also by comparison, or neither is.
by Skin Patrol on
Jun 18, 2008 6:53 PM CDT
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Nice comment.
Spike was an organic expression of West Texas in so many ways, and sometimes as rough and windy.
Leach is an expression and projection of himself.
And come to think of it, except for the dryness, the distance and the frickin’ wind, West Texas is sorta defenseless. Except against aggies.
by whills on
Jun 19, 2008 1:00 AM CDT
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you're reading waaaaaaay too much into one word
Saying Spike is a genius for finding a way to get talent to Lubbock and saying he is a great coach are two very different things. Spike had flaws as a coach, too, just like Leach, but that isn’t what this thread is about. The only reason I even mentioned Dykes is b/c whills brought him up in his comment. That comment is really irrelevant to the rest of this thread, b/c it is a separate topic.
As for saying his approach worked, I was addressing his defensive scheme. With the proliferation of passing offenses in the Big 12 today, a 4-4 scheme would get shredded worse than texas’ ‘07 secondary.
by Beergut on
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Let's talk about TECH's Q-B
Let’s talk about M. Crab-tree
Let’s talk about spreadin’ em out and lettin’ em fly and
TECH
Let’s talk a-BOWt TECH.
by Horn Brain on Jun 18, 2008 12:08 AM CDT 0 recs
They talked like this in '95. Zebbie. 48-7.
They talked like this when they had All-American Donnie Anderson, especially his senior year. Gonna stomp our ass but good. Anderson got 15 yards. 33-7.
Let ‘em talk. Maybe they got it.
by whills on
Jun 19, 2008 1:11 AM CDT
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Thanks
Response from an actual Techsan because I’m waiting on a program to finish and my usual SN blogger is out of town:
Fair assessment of the Tech program in the OP. I’m big on fostering a good relationship with UT (hell, I live in Austin now). I don’t mind the big-brother little-brother relationship that we’ve got going on and for the most part the “rivalry” is super friendly (as long as you don’t try to sit in the general admission student seating at Jones).
For the longest time, TTU has had a defense that CAN hold up against many opponents but against one or two it will collapse and get destroyed. This year that happened against OSU, UT, and Missouri. Missouri was an exception, though: the offense gave the defense no help and actually put the defense in horrible positions repeatedly. Once Lyle Setencich was replaced with Ruffin McNeil as our defensive coordinator, things started getting much better. After the OSU game when he was replaced (last 7 Big XII matchups), even with the near 600 yards in our collapse against UT, TTU’s defense was #1 in yardage and #3 in scoring.
We’ve been wondering for years when Leach was going to feel like he had the talent level on offense to spend time building the talent on defense. It’s been long in coming, but we’re finally getting to that point, I think. We only took 16 players, but we also only lost 4 players to graduation and I think we only had 18 scholarships left to give. Of those players, 7 defense, 4 are offensive linemen, 1 is a kicker and 1 will probably end up on defense. The primary criticism of leach’s recruiting is that he takes too many wr’s. This year he took one, along with 1 running back and his yearly QB. 5 of the defensive players are defensive linemen. Early recruiting says that he’s going after more defensive players this year, though we have a hard time getting players to commit as early as they do for UT.
To some of the other allegations: From the inside I’m happier with consistency than one great year and many years of bad play. I haven’t seen this “player retention” problem that Leach has. We don’t loose many players yearly and if we do, it’s usually because Leach comes down hard on miscreants (though not on bar-room/parking spot brawlers).
And the number 1 reason why Tech’s defense has sucked all these years: Lyle Setencich. The guy just couldn’t coach and was worthless on the recruiting trail.
Anyway, that’s my post. How you guys?
by kayakyakr on Jun 18, 2008 11:09 AM CDT 1 recs
How you guys?
It's a Horns' world. Even Aggies play hoops with a burnt orange ball.
Is it football season YET?
by Speedway on
Jun 18, 2008 11:11 AM CDT
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We will not discriminate against Native Americans on this blog
Unless they’re Sam Bradford, but then we’re just discriminating because he’s a Sooner.
by Horn Brain on
Jun 18, 2008 11:50 AM CDT
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How you guys!
It's a Horns' world. Even Aggies play hoops with a burnt orange ball.
Is it football season YET?
by Speedway on
Jun 18, 2008 2:00 PM CDT
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How you guys.
It's a Horns' world. Even Aggies play hoops with a burnt orange ball.
Is it football season YET?
by Speedway on
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