Most Important Players Besides VY?
As we look forward to next season and with many people greedily looking at 2009, I was thinking about what it takes to be a championship team. It certainly varies with the competition level of each year, but every team needs leaders and playmakers and that can make differences throughout the season.
I began thinking about our 2005 championship season and about the many great players we had besides the great Vince Young, and I thought it'd be an interesting thought exercise as we try to look for similar players this year and next year. The analogy is by no means perfect; first of all, VY is unique in the history of college football and Texas, nor anyone else, has anyone like him (we'll see how Pryor turns out). Furthermore, 2005 featured a very competitive year of college football, and to win that year, you not only had to be great, you had to be HISTORICALLY great. I'll go to my grave saying that the 2005 Buckeye and Nittany Lion teams were better than any team the past two years (yes, I'd take that '05 Buckeye defense led by Hawk over that overrated bunch of '06). They just had the misfortune of sharing the same season with ridiculous Texas and USC teams.
I love that '05 team and I hate to pick and choose players, but here's the guys I came up with that I felt contributed the most besides Vince:
1. Michael Huff: Huff was a playmaker in all aspects, and the leader of our defense. It showed in '06 as, despite us having great talent in the secondary, we gave up some silly big plays without him back there. That was as good a secondary as you can ask a college team to have, and Huff was the pillar.
2. Jonathon Scott: Again, I hate to pick someone since the whole O-line was awesome, but Scott really stood out at the tackle position, protecting Vince's back and blocking well in the run game.
3. David Thomas: One of my all-time favorite Horns, this guy epitomized the phrase "Securtity Blanket." Coming into that season, the passing game was perhaps the most questioned, and DT helped Vince get out of a lot of situations.
4. Rodrique Wright: A beast in the middle, he raised havoc and allowed our other D-linemen to make plays when he wasn't.
5. Limas Sweed and Billy Pittman: I'll lump these guys together, and while some may scoff, I'll point out again that our passing game had a question mark before the season. Pittman's success in particular was heavily influenced by VY, but these two forced defenses to be honest.
Honorable mentions:
Jamaal Charles: Yes, we had Vince, but JC provided a great spark at RB. He came up big against Ohio State and wrested momentum from OU with that 80 yard TD run.
Aaron Harris: An idiot who loves weed, but he provided a stable presence in our linebacking unit. Let's not forget the frustrations a leaderless Killebrew and Bobino put us through.
Ramonce Taylor: Another moron but another fine player, it's too bad we didn't have in '06. He provided another WR threat and also stepped in nicely when JC got hurt and Selvin was being inconsistent.
Okay, I'll stop before I end up listing every single player we had :), but here's what I see from this:
1. We need a defensive leader to step up. Our defense can be super talented, but a field general leads all that talent into one, fluid unit. I think Muschamp can get us one. Kindle? Norton? Orakpo? Somebody.
2. The trenches need to be really strong, and it'd be nice to have All-American candidates on both sides. Just ask those poor offensive linemen how it felt like blocking Glenn Dorsey. We have a lot of talent here and we need a dominator to emerge. Colt's struggles in particular can be greatly attributed to the inexperienced and injury-devastated O-line last year.
3. We need a reliable go-to guy when Colt is in trouble. Hello, Quan Cosby.
4. We need a deep threat(s) to keep the defense honest. Shipley is good, but it'd be nice for a bigger reciever like Limas to emerge to help him out.
5. With no one like VY, we need RB playmakers ala JC or Ramonce even more (which we already know).
Since we don't have Vince, it arguably increases the need for the above for us to win. Then again, it is more likely to have a bunch of teams gunning for it like last year rather than having two, all-time great teams stand head and shoulders over everybody else like in '05, so we don't need to be as good as '05 to win it all.
What players do you see stepping in to such roles? Do you agree with the above in the first place? We have a lot of talent and I can't wait to see how we look this season and to see if players do indeed step up.
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Rich Rodriguez
And whoever (either Davis or someone with his ear) decided to send the Texas offensive coaching staff to Morganstown to see what they were doing.
--PB--
Wouldn't it have been great
If we played WVU in a bowl game with VY. RR would be hitting himself over the head as he watched Vince zone-read his defense to death.
by TheElusiveShadow on Jun 23, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Like the post
One thing I noticed is that you pointed out at least one playmaker or a significant leader at each position group, and that individual provided exemplary play either personally (i.e. VY or Limas) or solidified the play of those around them (Aaron Harris/Rod Wright and VY as well, but he was all world at everything).
Just interesting how this list brings out the ways championship contributions may be made. Lately we’ve been focused on who will step up to fill JC’s playmaking shoes, but questions about who will provide leadership to the secondary, the LB’s and the RB positions may weigh just as heavily.
Definitely
Leadership and the ability to affect others is an intangible that any championship calibre team needs. That’s one thing I’m really going to look for this year.
I think Colt is a tough guy and good leader, but who’s going to step up in each position unit to lead his teammates? That’s one thing I’m wondering. I’m also looking for guys to solidify positions which have major question marks. For ‘05, DT and the receivers stepped up to give us a solid passing game. We need the safeties and the RB’s to be strong for us. They don’t have to be super, but good enough so that they don’t present a major hole in the team.
by TheElusiveShadow on Jun 23, 2008 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Calibre?
Shadow, are you British? Cheers, I agree and have nothing to add except that you’ve presented us with some good themes to watch over the coming season.
by learned hand on Jun 24, 2008 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
He's not European.
But I bet he lives in a small towne in the centre of the valley and works at a little shoppe.
It's a Horns' world. Even Aggies play hoops with a burnt orange ball.
Is it football season YET?
by Speedway on Jun 24, 2008 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
You're on fire today Speedway
may your work be easy, your martinis be cheap, and your cougars be restless
by learned hand on Jun 24, 2008 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Still young
1) Deon Beasley really started to come through at the end of last season. He’s got the physical tools to really be a beast. Besides, he’s got great instincts.
2) I don’t think we’ll have a true playmaker at RB (unlike some on here, I wasn’t particularly impressed by McGee).
3) I think Orakpo is really going to have to step it up this year. He’ll have a lot of motivation (a-la NFL contract), so hopefully he’ll stay totally healthy and provide a lot of stability in the D-Line.
Overall though, I don’t believe this year is the year we’ll see a lot of play solidify. We’re still fielding quite a young team. Next year though, teams had better start watching out. We’ve got a lot of talent comin up the pipeline.
McGee
I don’t think McGee has had a fair chance to show what he can do as an every down back.
I think you greatly overrate Jonathan Scott
Incredibly, terrifically, greatly, ludicrously overrate him.
I don’t want to start a flame war, so I’ll leave it at that.
A consensus All-American...
...and was a major piece in a great, championship O-line. Whether or not he turns out great in the NFL is a moot point, which I’m guessing is where you’re going with this. We’re looking at his contribution to his college, national champion team and how someone else can similarly step up to be a leader on our current team. Even if we grant Scott was not a great player here (which he was), his play was still crucial. Billy Pittman, for instance, was not a great college player, nor will he be in the NFL, but his contribution that year as a deep threat was very important.
Leave it to Aggies to read more into what’s there.
by TheElusiveShadow on Jun 23, 2008 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
if you think making the All-American team means you're good
you have a lot to learn about college football. You do realize the All-American team is chosen by the media, correct? You actually think the media knows football? They know hype, which is what Scott had plenty of.
I’m focusing on Scott’s career in college, b/c I don’t give a damn what he did in the NFL. Did you ever actually watch Scott play? He was the worst offensive lineman on that ‘05 line, by far.
Scott received a lot of credit for the fact that Young was elusive; if he had been protecting Simms’ blindside that year, the sack numbers would have been ridiculous.
You’ll notice I didn’t say anything about Pittman, mainly b/c I thought he was a great player in ‘05, and still wonder what happened to him the next two years.
Leave it to Aggies to read more into what’s there.
Leave it to a t-sip to be ignorant about OL play.
Really? BY FAR?
He was the worst offensive lineman on that ‘05 line, by far.
I guess that is why he started the last 43 games that he played.
I guess that is why he started at tackle, at Texas, as a freshman.
I guess that is why he was 1st Team All Big 12 in 04 and 05 (and was voted so by the coaches, not the media).
So being an ag, not to mention an astute critic of OL play, could he have started for a&m?
Yes, I did watch Scott play
In fact, I watched every single game that year. I’m wondering, especially in regards to your comments about Billy Pittman, if you truly did the same. I appreciate Pittman’s contributions that year and he stepped up, but if you thought he was “great,” you simply didn’t watch the games. He had some good games and was among the nation’s leader’s in yards per catch, but he simply wasn’t THAT fast or that athletically impressive. For instance, he was caught from behind against Ohio State in what should have been a TD catch.
I like how you accuse me of being ignorant of O-line play but list no evidence, stats, or anything other than your conclusions that Scott was overrated and the worst linemen. I’m actually suspcicious the only game you truly and closely watched was the A&M game. From what I saw, Scott protected Vince’s backside well (not even Vince can elude people he can’t see) and he was a great senior leader that year.
If you want to show everyone how much more you know than they do and more than the stupid media choosing All-Americans, you’re going to have to do much better than that.
by TheElusiveShadow on Jun 24, 2008 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
What?
First George Carlin dies, now Beergut doesn’t want to start a flamewar. The apocalypse came and no one told me…
by learned hand on Jun 23, 2008 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
wow
And we think you incredibly, terrifically, greatly, ludicrously underrate Tech, while you somehow also incredibly, terrifically, greatly, ludicrously overrate A&M.
Now go do your thing, Snow Patrol.
by jc25 on Jun 23, 2008 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
underrate Tech?!
Tech hasn’t proved anything (except they have a horrible defense).
i don’t think you read the entire discussion that went on between those two, because I’m on “skin patrol”s side
by vy til i die on Jun 23, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
hmm
I’m not sure who’s responding to whom (did I use that right? I hate the who/whom deal), but I was responding to Beergut’s strange Jon Scott comment.
And apologies, I meant Skin Patrol. Too much music on the mind I guess.
re: jc25
i was responding to longhorn84’s statement of tech…i didn’t think he had read what was going on
oh and i think snow patrol is a better name
by vy til i die on Jun 23, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Your usage was correct. If there’s one thing I learned from my eighth grade English teacher’s ruler, it is that who is used as a subject or a predicate nominative, and whom is the object case.
by learned hand on Jun 23, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I switch who or whom with He/him
really clarifies the issue. “He is responding to him” use he for who and him for whom.
by billb on Jun 23, 2008 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
good shortcut
I wish I was told 12 years ago.
by learned hand on Jun 23, 2008 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
nice
That’s a clever trick. I was always more concerned with separating two independent clauses with a semi-colon instead of a comma. Much more satisfying.
J. Scott
Watch the ou game in 2005. J. Scott destroyed everyone in front of him. I love everyone on the o-line in 2005, they were a big reason VY had A LOT of success.
Great post, but...
Great post, but we need to stop living in the past around here. I loved that 2005 team and I love VY. We can’t just keep reminiscing about that team.
I understand that you are also using this thread as a way to see what our problems are now and what holes we have now, besides VY (obviously, we can’t replace him). But, I think its time we move on. It was a great time to be a Longhorn fan, but we kind of have to stop looking back on the past.
Great post though.
Great post, but...
Great post, but we need to stop living in the past around here. I loved that 2005 team and I love VY. We can’t just keep reminiscing about that team.
I understand that you are also using this thread as a way to see what our problems are now and what holes we have now, besides VY (obviously, we can’t replace him). But, I think its time we move on. It was a great time to be a Longhorn fan, but we kind of have to stop looking back on the past.
Great post though.
Did you read the whole post?
Its actually about this coming year.
by BoddickerIsClutch on Jun 23, 2008 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
...I think you're missing the point
The point isn’t to focus on the past. He’s using the NC team as a template, showing what that team had that the past two years haven’t, and what we need to happen before our team can become great again. Moving on and ignoring the lessons we’ve learned of what characteristics are needed to have a truly spectacular team is stupid. Looking at the NC team and now, there are obviously major differences that go beyond just not having Vince, and those are the things he’s addressing in the topic.
but i think
we should be looking at last years champion LSU and how they got to the promise land and follow that template because to my memory, those guys didnt have a VY at QB or homerun hitters like jamaal and ramonce in their backfield or a WR/TE corp the way we had in ‘05. i do know they had a bonafide leader on the DL and speed on defense and i feel like we could do some of the same things that LSU does. i also dont get how everyone is overly optimistic about next year and how many times the ‘09 horns have been sold as serious contenders and not looking to this year as one of the most exciting and unknown teams in a while.
true but...
they also faced much lesser competition than in 2005 and prev…the past two years, there haven’t been any truly dominant teams. However, their team does seem like it most closely matches what our recruiting has lead to.
Actually, I'd argue LSU 07 is very similar to UT '05
with the two headed monster of Flynn and the current Jacksonville St. starting qb instead of VY. Understand that I’m subjected to a lot of LSU games at the sports bar I frequent for UT games, and that some of these comparison may have been addled by mr. beam. (My bartender is a Texan and big UT fan, she hands out free shots to the UT faithful after every score, for either team. I almost died against tech.)
Trindon holliday = smaller, faster Jamal Charles
Tolliver and Byrd are in the mold of Limas and Pittman. and I hate to say, but they’ll probably be better
Early Doucet = A small, crawfish version of David Thomas
Jacob Hester provided the steady running we relied on Selvin Young for
Ali Highsmith = Aaron Harris, without the criminal instincts
Charles Scott= homeless man’s ramonce taylor
Circon Black = better verion of Scott
Glenn Dorsey > rodrique wright
Our secondary was better, pretty much hands down, as was our QB position.
Overall, they relied on impact players at the same (or similar) positions Elusive Shadow brought up, the LSU model is not so different from our own.
The difference, and why UT ‘05 was a significantly better team came from the best QB in memory (or ever) running the engine, and a far superior secondary.
by learned hand on Jun 23, 2008 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions
but LSU wasn't unstoppable
they were a 2 loss team and thats the comparison i have to the horns now. the ‘05 horns were dominating and crushed every opponent in their path. LSU dropped 1 game to DMAC at home and also to a solid Kentucky team in 3 overtime and were in a bunch of dogfights. i do like your comparisons of the players and their rolls, but i am looking at the fact that this years horns will not go undefeated and have some similarities in LSU and far as situational players. i know the SEC is reguarded as the top shit of college football but the big 12 is nipping at that SEC ass and this years conference schedule is not going to be easy with OK, KU, MO, and TexTech and of course our game with ark is not going to have DMAC in the backfield or at QB or at WR. but i feel like our team would compare with the ‘07 LSU team
don't forget
LSU played a mediocre team in the championship game, we play one of the best. LSU lossed 2 games, we lossed 0 (for a reason).
I'm not saying LSU was on the '05 Texas level
I am saying that their team was constructed along much the same lines as ours, as far as types of personnel they recruited and used. They would have been even more similar to that Texas team if Ryan Perriloiux wasn’t an underachieving idiot (he’d never be close to VY, but he could theoretically have been a “mobile quarterback capable of completing passes”)
The differences really came in three areas between the two teams, VY essentially made our offense unstoppable, our secondary was deep with NFL talent and Mack Brown proved to be a much better coach than Les Miles. As long as Les Miles is the coach of LSU, it will lose two games every season. The man is capable of snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory any given Saturday.
As to kcc28’s point. I fully agree that whoever is in the national title hunt this year will likely have at least one loss (allowing some chance USC won’t). I was just making note that like LSU in ‘07, UT in ‘05, or probably every other MNC, there are certain roles that have to be filled on offense and defense. I understood your previous comment as presenting a case that LSU won without filling the offensive playmaking roles and disagreed. I think like LSU in ‘07 if we’re in the hunt, it will be more a credit to our defense than our offense, but LSU’s offense certainly didn’t lack playmakers.
As to ‘84s point. I agree, no comparison whatsoever between that Ohio State team and USC 2005. That USC team would have hung 60 on Ohio State. UT ‘05 and USC ‘05 were both much better teams than LSU in 07, but LSU had a lot of similarities to the UT team.
by learned hand on Jun 25, 2008 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm sorry.....
but Aaron Harris doesn’t deserve anything near honorable mention status. Neither does Ramonce Taylor. Harris is a continuing pox on this program! Any current player seen in his company needs to be pulled behind Gregory gym and given a lesson on behavior. That would be leadership.
As for defensive leadership, Orakpo and Lamaar Houston are IMO the most disruptive forces on the defensive line in about 20 years. Rod Wright is fine young man, but he was no “beast”. He definitely played a read & react form of ball and I can assure you Muschamp wants those D-Linemen moving UP the field and disrupting plays before they really get started. The excitement from these 2 will be contagious and you can bet Muschamp will use it to motivate the entire unit.
I personally do see good things in McGee and now he actually has a strong coach. Major is a master of the film room and we all can rest assured those backs will know what to expect and were to look for openings. I was a really big Jamaal Charles fan and I wish him well in KC. However, I expect more “explosives” with our current set of backs, just because they will be better coached with significantly better game preparation.
--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---
I’m no Aaron Harris fan, but he did play a major role that year ( ie the safety on Troy Smith), and Ramonce was a major producer (both at WR, AND RB)...i think you are worrying about what they did after the season too much.
by vy til i die on Jun 23, 2008 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
My Romance with Ramonce
...broke my heart.
He was the X-factor of that team, and it seemed every other reverse he ran went for 30 yards. Not to mention one of our best return men which set us up for one of our better special teams years. He was a special talent, its too bad he was too dumb to realize what he had, and squandered it on 4 lbs of weed.
by BoddickerIsClutch on Jun 23, 2008 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Ramonce Taylor had so much potential...
I’ve seen Percy Harvin with U of Florida and how closley he resembles Ramonce Taylor and his X-factor ability. Sure would be nice to have another Ramonce Taylor on the squad, but of course without criminal troubles.
Whoever commented about not living in the past and looking to the future is right; however, it is ok the reminisce and look to history to remember what personnel has worked in creating championship caliber teams and more importantly, what did types of players proved to be real busts.
"I asked Darrell Royal, the coach of the Texas Longhorns, why he didn’t recruit me and he said: "Well, Walt, we took a look at you and you weren’t any good.
- Walt Garrison
I agree
That Harris and Taylor are idiots (as I specifically say so in my post), but like vy til I die says, I think you’re concentrating on what they did after that season too much, while i was concentrating on their contributions in ‘05. Harris was a great guy for us, providing stability at linebacker, and Ramonce gave us versatility and depth.
by TheElusiveShadow on Jun 23, 2008 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh...
And believe me, I’m hoping you’re right about Houston and Orakpo. I have high expectations for them myself. That’s what this discussion is all about; finding players that can fill playmaking and/or leadership roles.
by TheElusiveShadow on Jun 23, 2008 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
you have to separate:
1) Aaron Harris: the has-been ex football player whose name is sure to be mentioned any time that a current player finds himself in a situation involving team curfew, Marajuna, handguns, the APD, or the Texas Penal Code;
from
2) Aaron Harris: the all-american, and defensive anchor for a national championship team.
Anyone that is an all-american at the end of the year was important to your team’s success durring that year.
I do agree that Mr. Harris’ contributions to the program since 2005 have been less than admirable.
Orakpo, Kindle, McCoy
I think if these three guys stay healthy and become better leaders, Texas will have a great year.
Is this the year?
Is this the year that Shipley breaks out? If he can stay healthy, and that is a monumental IF, I think he can provide plenty to our offensive structure this season. He has the speed to provide versatility outside or in the slot, and he’s shown that he can be used effectively on end arounds, FG fakes, etc. We all know we need someone other than Quan catching passes, and Shipley could be exactly what we need if he can just stay on the freaking field!
One thing I think most fans are overlooking.....`
In My Humble Opinion….
Colt McCoy is a major question mark. I by no means doubt his ability and potential to be a spot on QB as he proved this his freshman year. His sophmore “slump” we pray is nothing more than a slump which lasts no more than one season. (actually the slump seemed to start in the alamo bowl 2 seasons ago against Iowa)
My biggest concern even bigger than his inconsistent passing game of 2007 is his vulnerability to injury. I think other teams (especially in the Big 12) think Colt is pretty soft and are out to try and hurt him. I think A&M and Tech among others have proved this over the last couple years. Being prone to injury seems to be a real issue for Colt.
In my opinion….
"I asked Darrell Royal, the coach of the Texas Longhorns, why he didn’t recruit me and he said: "Well, Walt, we took a look at you and you weren’t any good.
- Walt Garrison
I dont want any QBs taking hits
But I dont know that I could call Colt injury prone.
He obviously suffered and sat out just about all of the Kstate game in 2006, and maybe, probably even, should have sat the following aTm game as well, but he didnt, and thus has started every game in his two years of play if I’m not mistaken.
I hope he doesn’t continue to take the hits he has, hopefully better O-line play and healthy receivers can help that, but I don’t know that you can call someone who has started every game of their career injury prone.
by BoddickerIsClutch on Jun 23, 2008 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Injury prone
Yes, he played courageously, but with a much lower level of performance. Now all the thug teams know that if you knock out McCoy, you beat Texas, so he will continue to be a target.
Again, it’s his courageous style of play that leads him exposed. He holds the ball too long when he is rushed. He tries to scramble to find an opening. And lately, he imagines he is VY and tries to take off around the end. All great stuff when it works. But all things that expose him to injury.
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.
Possibly
And like I said, I never want to see our QB get hit. And I definately dont think Colt needs to be scrambling more than is absolutely necessary. Most of Vinces runs ended with him upright running out of bounds, I wish Colt would take after that model if he needs to run, or slide more.
Besides the QB keepers, Colt took almost twice as many sacks last year as he did in 2006. Maybe some of it was his fault holding on too long, maybe some was the O-line, maybe some was due to Limas not being there, and maybe some was scheme.
At any rate, I dont know that “Kill the QB” is any more a strategy against Texas as it is say, OU, Oregon, ASU, or BC last year. Or anywhere for that matter. Starters are usually better than their backups, and QB is arguably the most important position to have your best player.
I can see where McCoy has gotten cheap shotted what seems like a large amount of times for his young career (aTm, OU come to mind), but I don’t think that’s any more indicative of Colt as it is a reflection on those individuals on the other team, and losing their heads in the rivalry game.
I just don’t know that Id call a 2-year starter with no missed starts injury prone, that’s all.
by BoddickerIsClutch on Jun 24, 2008 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
When I think of injury prone I don’t think of Colt. He’s not missing starts. In my mind injury prone brings with it a connotation that the player just can’t help fluke accidents.
When I think injury prone I think Ken Griffey Jr. in the 2000s.
It's a Horns' world. Even Aggies play hoops with a burnt orange ball.
Is it football season YET?
I wouldn't call him injury prone either,
and tough is something I would definitely not call him. I have never watched somebody get up so slow, so many times and somehow most of these times happen to occur right after shitty decisions. I’m realistic, I know that every Texas fan that is alive has been spoiled by having VY during their lifetime (or within a decade of it) and I don’t expect McCoy to play like Vince at all. I do want to see Colt show some of VY’s toughness. Throwing a ball into triple coverage, then getting shoe string tackled and taking 5 mins to get up (possibly cuz he knows he screwed up)is not VY toughness
Tech?
Did Tech hurt Colt? I remember Colt having 2 good games against Tech.
MIPs for '08
Great topic, thoughful and complete. I’d have listed Aaron Harris a tad higher; he was the ONLY LBer on the team who had played much before 2005. He (and Huff) were the defensive hubs, and there was nobody on the bench to replace Harris.
My general feeling is that leadership is overrated. It’s a concept borrowed from the military, where it does matter, and promulgated by coaches who like the concept of structure. What matters isn’t leadership, it’s playmakers. This is a combination of skill and the ability to react to the play and make positive things happen. Key players for ‘08—one of the young OTs has to step up, as do a couple of the unproven WRs. Orakpo should be the defensive focal point, though Roy Miller is probably more important because of the lack of depth at DT. The front seven will be excellent if Kindle finally plays up to his high school potential. As for the secondary, I have no idea. Plain and simple, the 2007 DBs lacked big-time skill: four seniors, none drafted, just two signed to free-agent deals. That compares to the 2005 bunch, which had three players picked in the first round and two others who were drafted. The offensive will be solid but unexciting; the defense will make or break the ‘08 season. I think there’s talent in the secondary, but it’s scary young. Hopefully, the coaches will look beyond letters earned and age and let the young talent develop in September.
Anyone who has played sports would disagree
leadership is what puts the egos in check, and makes guys strive towards a common goal. Every championship team - no matter the sport - has a leader.
John Chiles - I'm your foster daddy!
05 and 08
I think you have J-Scott overrated from the 05 team, in fact i would argue that Studdard was the heart and soul of that offensive line. Not only was he a great guard but i think he supplied the nasty, the edge.
Ramonce broke my heart as well. He had so much potential wasted when the veteran leaders left and he went the wrong way. Without him we lose 1 game in 05.
Huff is a no brainer, but don’t forget the griffins, both on defense and special teams.
David Thomas: can’t say enough about him. That offense goes from great to good without him.
NEW BLOOD: I look forward to seeing a lot from these guys in the next year or two…
Beasley & Chykie
T. Allen
Fozzy bear
the Acho brothers (not this year for emanual, but i have heard from good sources that his upside is incredible)
*Buckner (has Malcolm Williams done squat since he’s been in austin?)
I love Studdard
Like I said, I hated to choose people, but Scott was a senior and one of our leaders. But if you want to argue that Studdard was better, I’m not going to get on your case.
by TheElusiveShadow on Jun 24, 2008 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
likewise
i wasn’t trying to say anthing bad about scott, per se. In fact i think many judge him too harshly precisely because of his huge hype and subsequent lack of a showing in the nfl (instead of on his production in college). Ditto for rod wright.
you make some great points rchorns...
People often over look the fumble that VY had during the Rose Bowl, guess who jumped all over it as soon as it hit the ground???....Kasey Studdard did.
When Colt marched us down the field to come back against Nebraska, Cosby took a slip screen for a big gain and fumbled down field…guess who recovered??? Kasey Studdard did.
Oh and about Ramonce Taylor. I honestly think having him could have scratched off one of the losses from the 06 season and we definitely would have been lethal without Sweed in 07 had he stayed.
My adopted son Sergio Kindle does not sleep; he waits.
To redirect the discussion...
I’ll list some guys myself that I’m hoping to fill the roles I spelled out. After all, the intention of my post was not so much to spur debate on which players from ‘05 were most important (although this is a fun discussion) but rather how they represented crucial roles for a championship team. Whether or not you agreed that a player I mentioned filled that role in ‘05 is not entirely the point as long as we agree that that leadership/playmaking role was something to look for in our new players. (But by all means, keep debating)
So here was my list and who I’m hoping can step up besides, obviously, the quarterback:
1. We need a defensive leader to step up. Our defense can be super talented, but a field general leads all that talent into one, fluid unit. I think Muschamp can get us one. Kindle? Norton? Orakpo? Somebody.
Kindle. The man plays like an animal and with our D-line play likely to be strong, he can be asked to roam and fly around. I think his play can really energize our entire defense. The obvious problem is that because he plays like this, he seems prone to injury.
2. The trenches need to be really strong, and it’d be nice to have All-American candidates on both sides. Just ask those poor offensive linemen how it felt like blocking Glenn Dorsey. We have a lot of talent here and we need a dominator to emerge. Colt’s struggles in particular can be greatly attributed to the inexperienced and injury-devastated O-line last year
I’m going to jump on the bandwagon with PB and say Lamarr Houston for the D-line. Although Miller should be our stable veteran. On the O-line, Chris Hall.
3. We need a reliable go-to guy when Colt is in trouble. Hello, Quan Cosby.
Uh… Quan Cosby.
4. We need a deep threat(s) to keep the defense honest. Shipley is good, but it’d be nice for a bigger reciever like Limas to emerge to help him out.
Along with Shipley, Dan Buckner.
5. With no one like VY, we need RB playmakers ala JC or Ramonce even more (which we already know).
Tough one. I think McGee and Fozzy will be fine runners, but are they “gamebreakers?” I’m not sure. If we can work Chiles into the offense well, he can possibly fill this role.
by TheElusiveShadow on Jun 24, 2008 5:28 PM CDT reply actions
After 63 comments over two days you're redirecting?
Damn redundant commie pinko comment usurper.
1. Muschamp will be the leader of the D. Period. And whoever fulfills Muschamp’s particular vision will turn into the field leader. “That’s what I’m talking about, motherf*cker.” BOOM.
The leader on D is not necessarily the one who makes the most tackles or is the loudest – he’s the one who pushes the others to be in the right place at the right time, to cover their territory and make the play. And he will be the one who makes key plays because he sees it coming. That player will lead because he gets the job done and fulfills the defensive mission.
2, Football success always starts with the OL and DL. No substitute. And while leaders are good there, unit precision is the key factor, with depth the long term indicator.
3. I’d rather see this phrased as a go-to guy when Colts wants to make trouble. Boom Motherfucker.
4. Texas hasn’t had a down field passing game in two years – and that’s the hard concensus from a lot of coaches who watch the Horns closely. The catch downfield is just the end of a chain of events; it’s the chain that needs to be strengthened. Then I think you’ll find a lot of people who can catch it.
5. This is Texas. We have what we need. We’ll starting sorting things out in about 40 days or so.
Note that when Texas has set players in place, we tend to go ga-ga with the hype. When we have some really interesting situations, we tend to go introspective and eat our liver. If (2) develops, with depth, then there will be a 1,000 yard rusher unless it’s all split up, which would be damn fine by me. But I’d bet there will at least 2,000 yards of rushing yardage by years end no matter how it is split.
A commie indeed
Actually, I just thought people were drifting from the point of the whole thing, so I just threw in a “redirection.” Of course, people getting off topic happens all the time.
by TheElusiveShadow on Jun 25, 2008 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
David Thomas
was everything that’s right about a true championship caliber college athlete.
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