The Narrative 2008: Look To '09
This post is far longer than a blog post should be, but 1) it all had to go together and 2) I actually had the time to sit down and write it. Print it and take it on your coffee break. I promise it'll be of greater interest than the Not News that I was hunting for anyway.
Last week when I was laying out the challenge Will Muschamp faces this fall, I concluded with five thoughts on the existing circumstances and what they might tell us about the upcoming season:
1. Fortuitous scheduling: The non-conference schedule happens to be a very useful one.
2. Understated: Texas needs to stay healthy on defense.
3. Team effort: Turnovers on offense will be costlier than ever.
4. Busted: The 2007 offseason still stings.
5. Disrupting the spread: Create pressure from the front four.
There's a sixth key to 2008 that I didn't include because it deserves its own post: Texas needs to play this fall for next season. The idea of playing for a year from now won't sit right with some fans, but I'm prepared to argue strongly for the point. As always, contrasting views are invited, either in the comments or FanPosts.
My base argument is simple:
- Though Texas should aim high in 2008, winning the Big 12 this season will be exceptionally difficult. Relatedly, the odds of a national championship are very, very long.
- Texas' schedule is significantly more favorable in 2009, with an unintimidating non-conference schedule and a host of Big 12 teams in transition.
- On the homefront, Texas' personnel situation looks like it will hit its own peak in the cycle during 2009.
- Therefore: Mack Brown should make preparing for 2009 as important as winning in 2008.
Walk with me through each of these:
THE BIG 12 IN 2008
Prior to last season, the Big 12 for several years had been an uninteresting conference. For Oklahoma and Texas, there's been the battle for the South Division title, but Texas Tech, Texas A&M, and Oklahoma State have been different shades of the same mediocre color for most of the decade. Meanwhile in the North, the slippage of Kansas State, Nebraska, and Colorado made the division quite the sideshow for several years running.
But the conference jolted alive last season, as the baby-faced quarterbacks who struggled through 2006 took big steps forward. Missouri and Kansas' broke through with Top 10 seasons behind a pair of young Texans, Oklahoma upgraded from their senior wideout QB to a redshirt freshman with poise, Mike Leach's prize recruit had a terrific year three in the system, and Oklahoma State found themselves quite a football player in sophomore Zac Robinson. Though no one quite saw the year unfolding as it did, the conference-wide improvement based on the young quarterbacks was very much on the radar last summer.
Amazingly, though, last season was only a prelude to what I think will be a peak for the conference in 2008. And it's not just the army of strong quarterbacks returning this fall. Consider the four game stretch Texas faces immediately after the conference opener in Boulder.
Muschamp earns his paycheck in October.
Oklahoma: As I wrote in April, Sam Bradford is in terrific position to build on his record-setting freshman campaign: At this and the professional levels of football, protection is the most important element of the passing game, and Oklahoma is starting five seniors on the line. Let that sink in. If you dare, consider that two of those five could wind up All-Americans, two more may well be all-conference, and the fifth - returning last year from injury - was Rivals' #53 prospect in the nation when he arrived in Norman.
If you're really masochistic, think next about Demarco Murray being healthy; Bob Stoops was a fool to ease him in Cedric Benson style to Oklahoma's season like he did last year. The inferior Patrick Allen was running wild behind that offensive line. A healthy Murray will have a field day this fall.
The Sooners have questions in the back seven on defense, so don't go making them your national title favorites just yet. For now, it's enough to know that this will be one of the nation's most fearsome offenses this fall. (And I didn't even mention this guy. Yikes.)
Missouri: Chase Daniel, Heisman Finalist, enters his senior season. Four receivers who caught 37+ passes last year return. The underappreciated Tony Temple is gone, but senior Jimmy Jackson can be plenty effective. And the defense, which was solid-not-great a year ago, will feature seven senior starters. Even modest improvement from that unit will make life difficult for opponents who will be dealing with Missouri's high-powered offense.
Oklahoma State: If the names Kendall Hunter, Dez Bryant, and Zac Robinson aren't already familiar to Big 12 fans, they will be by the end of next season. This team may not be peaking in 2008, but it's going to be dangerous. Solid recruiting classes in '05 and '06 give them enough talent to play with anyone on a given Saturday, and Texas fans know all too well never to take this game for granted.
Texas Tech: I think it's fair to say that Mike Leach's entire Tech career has been leading to this fall - the senior year of his first prized quarterback recruit, with what could be the best Red Raider defense of the decade. Feel free to remain a skeptic until you see it, but at least heading into the fall, this looks like The Year that Leach has been building towards. Harrell is a senior. Phenom Michael Crabtree is a redshirt sophomore. The defense - better than many realized last year - is set for its best performance to date. Whether Tech puts it together or not, this certainly looks right now like the best Red Raider team Mike Leach has ever assembled.
Don't just take my word for it, either:
"Signs this fall will be a minefield for $400, Alex."
Again, that's just one four-game stretch for the Longhorns this fall - three of those opponents will be hitting the absolute peak of the team cycle, while Oklahoma State provides a legitimate challenge in between. And we haven't even mentioned the 'Horns' November game against Kansas. If A&M and Colorado have to be considered opponents who are certainly capable of beating Texas, well... the margin for error this fall is going to be slim to none.
To the extent you can accept what a challenge the Big 12 is going to be this fall, you should be able to accept the idea that Texas winning the Big 12 isn't likely. Which certainly puts the national title well out of reach, as well. If that position makes you uncomfortable, I'd add that no Big 12 team should be feeling great about its chances right now. As many elite teams as there are, it'll be quite the achievement if any team emerges unscathed.
NOW LOOK AHEAD A YEAR
Even before we get to Texas' in-house situation, it's a lovely looking schedule for a run at 12-0:
LOUISIANA-MONROE
at Wyoming
CENTRAL FLORIDA
UTEP
COLORADO
vs Oklahoma
at Missouri
at Oklahoma State
TEXAS TECH
at Baylor
KANSAS
at Texas A&M
If for our sanity we assume a 4-0 non-conference schedule against that slate, we're left just with a conference schedule that looks drastically better than the year prior:
* Colorado should actually be better in '09, but the schedule breaks our way, with the Buffs coming to Austin.
* A Sam Bradford slump is far more likely to come as a junior, behind five new starters on the offensive line.
* Missouri will be starting a first-year quarterback. Which means you can go ahead and bank on Jeremy Maclin bolting Jermichael Finley-style after 2008 (redshirt sophomore).
* Like CU, the Cowboys might be better in '09, but if this is the Big Road Game of the season, it's a good schedule. Texas is 20-2 against OSU all time.
* Texas Tech will lose Graham Harrell to graduation. Michael Crabtree will join Maclin in early departure.
* Baylor sucks.
* Kansas, possibly a force in Todd Reesing's senior season, comes to Austin.
* At the least, A&M will be starting a new quarterback. I won't blink if Michael Goodson departs as well.
Tally it up, and the stars are aligned: Clean up the weak non-con schedule. Beat OU in Dallas. Road slate at rebuilding Missouri, good-not-great Oklahoma State, weak sauce Baylor, and vastly out-talented A&M. If that's not exactly "easy," it's a laugher in comparison to what Texas faces this fall.
TEXAS, TOO
The schedule itself is enough to be thinking seriously about making sure we prepare for 2009, but even absent that advantage, the Texas personnel situation looks like it should be better in two years.
The gains on offense are modest, but worth noting:
Quarterback: Assuming he stays healthy, McCoy's going to be a four-year starter at Texas and set all sorts of records. But in my book, his legacy will be defined by his senior year. If he's going to be anything more than a solid Longhorn QB between Vince and someone else who does great things, he'll likely have to make that legacy in 2009. God willing, he'll do it, and he'll have some help from a creative offensive coaching team that supplements his efforts with those of #7.
Tailbacks: I'm not in love with this position just yet for Texas, but I know things will be in much better shape a year from now than they are today. Vondrell and Fozzy will each have opportunities to show something special. Or combine to show a special tandem. Both should feel good running behind the 2009...
Offensive Line: Cedric Dockery graduates after '08. And that's it. The rest of the rotation returns: Burnette, Allen, Hall, Tanner, Ulatoski, McGaskey, Hix, Mitchell, Huey... All of 'em. Heck, maybe Buchanan or Snow are contributing at that point. Regardless, the line will be Texas' best in years. With depth, talent, experience - all that good stuff. McCoy will put up strong numbers or he'll show his limitations.
Wide Receivers/Tight Ends: Cosby and Shipley graduate, meaning we'll get a good look at whether Mack Brown has rescued his recruiting at the receiver position. There certainly isn't a shortage of warm bodies - Hales, Collins, Kirkendoll, Webber, Williams, Grant, Buckner, Irby - but it's still too far out to know what we've got here. On the bright side, if you made me choose a position I'd want to be my team's question mark, this would be it.
Summary: Senior quarterback, more experienced tailbacks, A+ offensive line, and enough receiving talent to find some winners... if it's not exactly a rebuild of the 2005 squad, it's on the whole a better personnel situation than we have this fall.
And now the defense, which is even more promising:
Defensive Ends: Eddie Jones, Sam Acho, and Russell Carter already excite me. I'm comfortable counting on Ahmard Howard developing into the two-deep, and we may strike true freshman gold with Okafor, Kriegel or Jones. We'll miss Orakpo, but this is a position Muschamp has enough to work with.
Defensive Tackles: Lamarr Houston is my favorite Longhorn on the roster, no joke. Losing Miller and Lewis to graduation makes us a bit thin, but mostly just means Kheeston Randall and/or Jarvis Humphrey will be fast-tracked to big minutes. Don't count out a Jamarkus McFarland contribution just yet, either.
Linebacker: If we're lucky with health, this will be Texas' best starting trio of linebackers in the Mack Brown era, with Muck, Norton, and Kindle starting together as seniors. Keenan Robinson's about to become a Name You Know, as well.
Defensive Backs: I'm not even going to separate these into safeties and corners, because I want to emphasize how thrilled I am with the outlook of the entire secondary in '09. After this fall, we lose Ryan Palmer. And that's it. Deon Beasley enters his senior year a candidate for awards. Either Chykie or Curtis Brown (or both) are ready for starter minutes. Aaron Williams is pushing everyone for time. And on and on. Meanwhile, the trio of young safeties - Scott, Wells, and Thomas - emerge from their '08 on-the-job training prepped for full seasons of play.
Summary: Texas isn't nearly as deep as it should be - a failing of some of Mack's recruiting the past 3-4 years - but among the likely contributors this fall versus next, the situation looks damn good in 2009. Sprinkle in whatever Muschamp Improvement juice you see coming and all signs point to Texas' defense being its best in a while.
MY CONVERSION CHART SAYS: GO FOR TWO IN '09
With all due apologies for the ridiculous length of this post, you more or less have to lay it all out at there together to make the case for looking past 2008. As some fans are sure to say, "Texas should never be in a position where it looks past any given year," I can only note that whether or not we should be better situated for this fall, the circumstances are what they are. And, it's worth noting, not just in-house; even a great Texas team would be challenged mightily by this year's Big 12.
The '06 recruiting class has been hit and miss.
The fact is that Texas enters this fall facing a brutal schedule and a host of question marks about how good it can be. Though I do think we have enough talent to put together a 10-2 or 11-1 regular season, I think we're more likely to go 8-4 than 11-1. Winning big should be the goal, but given the challenges this fall and the opportunity in 2009, Mack Brown and his staff should be making decisions that will help us win a year from now.
What does that entail? For me, I want to see Texas gun for every opponent in 2008, but to do so in a way that takes advantage of this year as one in which we can grow. I would experiment liberally with John Chiles to learn as much as I can about how he's best deployed. I would give young receivers every opportunity to get on the field, develop, and separate themselves. I'd be aggressive about making the offensive line competition wide open to reward the best performers, shunning any sort of veteran preference where a younger kid was looking better. With the tailbacks, I'd give both McGee and Whittaker a lot of different opportunities to see what I had on my hands in each.
On defense, I'd be giving my young DBs a trial by fire, accepting their growing pains as I groomed them for '09. Players like Rashad Bobino and Ryan Palmer would be counted on as senior leaders, but not allowed to block significant development time for my young kids behind them. And so on.
Most of all, treating this year as a building block to 2009 requires a prioritization of championships. So long as Texas is undefeated, I'm all for the staff doing whatever it thinks will do most to help win now. But the moment the dream is over (for example, post-OU last year; arguably post-KSU), I want the attention turned to building for '09. Because honestly, I'd rather go to the Texas Bowl at 7-5 (but better prepared for '09) than to the Holiday Bowl at 9-3 (but without using this year to grow as much as we can).
Hopefully, the staff shares that priority. The goal is not a 10-win season. It is a Big 12 championship. And then a national championship.
That's true no matter what, but it's especially true for Mack Brown in this phase of his career. I've been very vocal in supporting Brown for getting to and putting together that 2005 season. I love him for it. I really do. But I'm now also willing to draw a line in the sand at 2009, as the point by which I judge whether Mack Brown is a very good football coach who had his magical season, or whether he's an Elite football coach who can make multiple title runs when he's got his ducks in a row.
Given the present realities in college football, I don't need my head coaching winning anything year in and year out. Nice as that would be, I'm perfectly content with a head coach who took Texas to a BCS Title Game when his cycles peaked.
In 2009, Mack Brown's Texas Longhorns will hit a peak in the cycle, where anything less than a Big 12 title will be a failure and a shot at national title glory will be well within reach. Here's to hoping that if we fall short of those goals this year, we're conscious of the more attainable prize ahead.
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Scheme vs personnel
It’s early but my kids get up at 6am and PB apparently didn’t need a lot of sleep last night. So here we are…
I agree totally that 2009 will be the Horns’ “year” if there ever will be one (at least until Gilbert is a sophomore) and that much groundwork for that season will be laid in 2008. I also agree that developing players is more important than sticking with the seniors.
However, I’m just not seeing where the personnel tensions will vibrate. Perhaps if one of the young linemen is doing better than Ulatoski (that would actually be a great sign, as I look for Ulatoski to have a great year as he was hurt much of last). Perhaps if the young safeties can’t get Ishie Oduegwu off the field (let us hope not!). But we really don’t have situations like last year where entire units like the linebackers are keeping the young guys off the field but still sucking anyway.
The one exception is the wide receivers. I see this as not so much an issue of personnel but, as I’ve posted before, a matter of scheme. This group has Texas’ most explosive players and we don’t really know what they can do yet. Mack has 11 receivers on the depth chart and no history of an offense that can use that many.
So to me the critical issue of preparation for 2009 is (drum roll, enter the GD doubters) scheme. Will Texas develop more of a pure spread offense with 4 receivers on the field most of the time? Will John Chiles become more of a hybrid player, ala Florida’s Percy Harvin? Will GD “invent” something for this group to exploit its talent the same way he adapted Rodriguez’ offense into the VY zone read? Will this just be the bubble screen offense version 2? Or will the offense develop something new?
Looking ahead to 2009, I think about what has won national championships in the BCS era. Usually it has been dominating defense with good but predictable offense (Miami 2001, Ohio State 2002, LSU 2007), dominating offense with good but predictable defense (USC 2004, Texas 2005). I think for Texas to have a chance at the MNC in 2009, we have have an innovation on offense and Muschamp has to deliver 30 minutes of hell on defense. I am confident in the latter but the great question mark is whether the Horns’ coaches (GD and Applewhite) will take the risk of invention to utilize all those wide receivers.
Finally, I would argue that the tough Big12 may actually produce a national champion candidate in 2008 because even a one loss team will have a high computer rating based on strength of schedule – can you say SEC? This will be the year that the Big 12 supercedes the SEC as the toughest conference, and that will color everything any conference team does.
by burnt in ny on Jun 3, 2008 6:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
But he should have been preparing for the future in 2007 as well, and we have seen little evidence of any forward thinking. I will be more than happy to blame our terrible coordinators for last year (one of which obviously remains), but I don’t see the offense getting much better this year. I think the defense will improve by leaps and bounds, but I just don’t see the offensive personnel, as currently constituted, making enough progress to contend in 2008 or 2009. It is going to take some wholesale change, which we know Mack doesn’t do. People are going to have to graduate to not be starters, and unless Colt has some sort of miracle transformation, he alone can hold us back. (See K-State, A&M, etc).
by Texas Our Texas on Jun 3, 2008 8:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jeeze Pete
I thought you were lawyerin’ out in Cali. Outstanding stuff.
by Maize n Brew Dave on Jun 3, 2008 9:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Great post...and it all falls on the coaching staff.
This is what we all love about BON. Posts like this one stir great passion and debate and will be yet another example of the great community this site enjoys. On to the subject at hand…
Longhorn fans should prepare themselves for a roller coaster ride for the next two seasons. Player personnel & schedule wise, the pieces certainly seem to be falling in place for Texas to have a “down” year in 2008 and to make a run at a MNC in 2009. To me, the coaching staff, especially on the offensive side of the ball, is the biggest “X” factor and is the major cause for concern. Do we all trust them recognize the situation they’re in for 2008 and then to make the necessary decisions, adjustments & personnel decisions in the next 12-15 months to make sure that 2009 is a season that they can make a run at the national title?
Questions start with the head coach. Which Mack Brown will show up? The laid back, loyal to a fault, glass is always half-full coach of old or the new, fiery, I’m not going to settle for complacency and don’t give a crap if you’re a three-year starter leader that we all saw (and loved) in the month between the A&M debacle and the Holiday Bowl. Hopefully, Brown has turned a corner and will be able to provide the leadership to facilitate the 2008 season into a championship run in 2009. If he truly has changed, we should see Brown in Davis’ ear much more than in years past, we’ll watch as Muschamp’s passion for the game rubs off and provides even more fire, and we’ll see a coach willing to allow younger but more talented players take the field to get actual game experience.
Even more questions linger with the OC. As mentioned in one of the posts above, the biggest question surrounding GD is his willingness to change his schemes & play calling. He did a good job of building the offense to suit all of VY’s talents, but let’s face it, VY was a once in a lifetime talent and helped make Davis’ job a whole lot easier. His offense has become stale and unimaginative. I was reading the Nebraska open game thread from last year and it was amazing to reread the action as it unfolded. There were several posts on several different offensive drives that read “run, run, pass, punt – what the &$*@^??” That game highlighted the failures of Davis as an OC. Uncreative, repetitive and predictable. He needs to realize that he doesn’t have a QB that is going to shake off four defenders, juke another three and end up twenty yards downfield. If the coaching staff truly sees 2008 as a building block towards 2009, Davis needs to open up the playbook and shake things up. Try new formations. Put the best players on the field. Try different player combos (i.e. Chiles & McCoy on the field at the same time). Pick the brain of his running backs coach for new ideas. Besides, if I see one more bubble screen, I might have to shoot my TV.
As most fans, I’m not really worried about the defensive staff. Muschamp is the real deal (living in SEC country, I saw his defenses on a weekly basis) and should bring about major changes that should make the 2008 defense very good and the 2009 defense dominating. There are a few minor concerns. Is it possible Muschamp could be one & done if the right head coaching job comes along (I’d say possible). Will Akina go back to being a company man after his demotion (I say yes)? Will Brown take a hands off approach and let Muschamp have total control of the defense (I don’t see why not and God, I hope so). All-in-all, I think the defensive staff is in much better shape and has fewer questions than their counterparts of the other side of the line of scrimmage.
Indeed, there is a great chance for 2009 to be a special year for UT. For that to happen, 2008 must be used as a springboard to jumpstart a championship run. That responsibility falls directly on the shoulders of the coaching staff. I don’t want 2008 to be a down year, but I would be ok with it if the coaches use this season as a teaching tool and building block towards next year. However, I will have a tough time handling a 7-5 or 8-4 season this year if UT is not back in the national championship hunt in 2009. Unfortunately for us impatient Longhorn fans, we’re going to have to wait quite awhile for all this to play out and get our answers. But, at least then we’ll finally know if the staff caught lightning in a bottle in 2005 or if they truly are among college football’s elite staffs.
by longhorn543 on Jun 3, 2008 9:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Great post, as always
I think the success of our season can be summed up in one thought: play and develop our best players. No more KBD seniority. No more saying the kids can’t defend the pass or pick up the zone read. Teach them how to. Get them on the field. Yeah, they’ll take their lumps, but you’re right, PB, they’ll be all the better for it in ‘09.
by jc25 on Jun 3, 2008 9:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm...
All the wonderful points made in PB’s narrative make logical sense. Personally, I can’t overlook 2008. Something inside me just thinks it’s wrong. I understand Mack’s flaws, roster depth, difficult schedule, but isn’t that why they play the games? I understand predictions often go back to experience and having been there before when determining player performance and future results, but just think of all the impact players that have come out of nowhere, to be stars (Crabtrees transition to WR, Macklin in Missouri, Zac Robinson at Okie State, etc.) Not just in the Big 12, but across the country. Many freshman, and many a small name in high school seemed to have popped up. I’ll tip one back with you all in hopes that Texas has a star or two ready to explode in 2008, whether it be a freshman and/or even a soph/junior who hasn’t gotten to show his potential yet.
by UT Fanatic on Jun 3, 2008 10:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I want to be prepared in 2009 as much as the next guy...
But I have to agree that I cant overlook 2008.
Every time you take the field, the #1 goal should be to win that game that day, period.
I just hope the game plan for winning can include using Chiles creatively, and working our personnel to ensure on the field experience. But when it comes down to it, every Saturday the goal is to win. If you win, the Big 12 championships come, if you win, the 10 win seasons come. Scheme with whats best for the program in mind, but winning has to be your top priority, every time out.
by BoddickerIsClutch on Jun 3, 2008 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, I'm pretty sure Mack Brown has shown...
... that if you win, the Big 12 Championships will not necessarily come. Mack Brown has won more games than any other coach since he came to Texas, and he has one Big 12 title. I think that my article in the Eyes of Texas explains why. This is make-or-break time for Mack. 2007 was a rebuilding year, 2008 is supposed to be a rebuilding year, and so 2009 better make sunshine fall from the f$&#ing sky into our waiting teacups. I’m sick of losing to nobodies waiting to be good again, and I don’t think that’s unfair.
--Horn Brain--
by Horn Brain on Jun 3, 2008 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is there a team over the past 10 years
That you wish the Longhorns had switched places with?
Maybe thats unfair because of Vince, but personally, I cant think of one. Theres frustrations with every team, but seriously, you want to make winning too much one of them? Take pride that we are the winningest program of late, shit knows it wont last forever. Coaching decisions seem to have directly cost us having more (specifically I’m thinking of Simms/Applewhite vs Colorado, Vince against OU in 2004, Colts goaline play vs Kstate in 2006).
In sports, when your team takes the field, the goal is to win. Texas has it tough this year, both due to our experience and our opponents talent, but that doesn’t mean you don’t play to win.
I do agree that 2009 is primed for us, and will show everyone what kind of Coach Mack is, I disagree however that anything besides winning should be our primary goal in 2008.
by BoddickerIsClutch on Jun 3, 2008 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For argument's sake
Off the top of my head…
OSU
Pros: 1 Championship, played in two others, consistently beats the pants off Michigan, perennial Big 10 champions, 1 Heisman winner, get to dot the i, just got the “next Vince Young”
Cons: recent BCS Championship laughingstock, Maurice Clarett scandal
OU
Pros: 1 Championship, played in two others, consistently beats the pants off UT, perennial Big 12 champions, 1 Heisman winner, outrecruits UT for Texas kids every other year
Cons: recent BCS participant laughingstock, Rhett Bomar scandal, plays in Oklahoma
USC
Pros: 2 championships, played in one other, Pac 10 powerhouse, 3 Heisman winners, Will Ferrell as famous alum, sunny Southern California weather year-round, likely would be nominated best recruiting school in the nation, likely would be nominated best head coach in the nation
Cons: Reggie Bush scandal, Matt Leinart is a douchebag, lost to Texas when they were ESPN’s greatest of all tiiiiime
LSU
Pros: 2 championships, about to get the “next next Vince Young,” plays in the “toughest” conference in the country
Cons: Still coached by Les Miles, jilted at the altar by Nicky Saban, Ryan Perrilloux incident, plays in the “toughest” conference in the country
Florida
Pros: 1 championship, home of Superman, Urban Meyer probably a close second to Carroll on the coaching hierarchy, plays in the “toughest” conference in the country
Cons: Meyer accused of recruiting shenanigans, many off-field incidents, plays in the “toughest” conference in the country, jorts
Compare that to Texas...
Pros: 1 championship, home of the original Superman and the original Vince Young, 2 BCS wins in 2 tries
Cons: can’t consistently win the Big XII, can’t consistently get to the BCS games, home of Greg Davis, one of the weed central capitals of the world
I’m not trading my Texas fandom for any of these programs either, but I’m not going to put us on a pedestal either when we’ve clearly got some competition.
Obviously, these lists are not inclusive; I’m sure I’ve missed some stuff, so feel free to jump in.
by jc25 on Jun 3, 2008 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Jorts! Love it.
It's a Horns' world. Even Aggies play hoops with a burnt orange ball.
Is it football season YET?
by Speedway on Jun 3, 2008 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No pedastool here
Just pointing out that the grass isnt that much greener when you look around.
In thinking about posing that question… I know I know, who really thinks before posting? I came up with OU and USC as the only real contenders to switch with.
I guess I could see LSU, but 3-8 in 1999 is a pretty terrible year, that has to offset a championship, and if you only look at one of theirs, theres no way we switch for them.
by BoddickerIsClutch on Jun 3, 2008 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
re:
Wells: probably meant just weed capital…didn’t proofread the comment. Like Boddicker says, who really thinks before posting? I was insinuating that it seems like a lot of our players get mixed up in the marijuana smoking and possessing business.
Boddicker: I tend to agree with you, I’d definitely take USC over us, and probably gun to my head, OU as well. And LSU’s got the 2 championships to our one, and despite still having Les Miles, they’re pretty well-stocked for the near foreseeable future.
by jc25 on Jun 3, 2008 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I try to understand your viewpoint
and I understand that at Texas there is a different standard due to the money and advantages that come with being UT, but this just gets me:
I’m sick of losing to nobodies waiting to be good again, and I don’t think that’s unfair.
This sentence indicates that you don’t think Texas has been a “good” football team since 2005. 95% of any other college team would trade the last two seasons with UT.
Maybe it is my age making me not old enough to remember the Royal or Akers years, but following religiously beginning in the McWilliams years that give me my prospective on what is going on now, or maybe the fact that I also follow Colorado, so I have a striking contrast with UT’s success over the last 10 years, but the hubris irks me.
by Wells on Jun 3, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll agree we've had 'good' seasons the past two years
I suppose the word good was misused, there, but we certainly underachieved both years, needing only to beat a horrible pair of A&M teams to get to the Big 12 title game in ‘06 and to almost certainly earn a BCS berth in ‘07. That’s what I’m referring to with my frustrations. Failure to capitalize on opportunities. I agree that most teams would trade their seasons with UT’s most years, but if we constantly knock at the door and crap our pants when it opens, people should start getting upset. Winning consistently means nothing if you don’t accomplish anything over the course of the season. What did we accomplish the past two years? Good Holiday Bowl victory. That’s it. Maybe for some that’s an accomplishment, but at UT it should be an average accomplishment at best.
--Horn Brain--
by Horn Brain on Jun 3, 2008 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love it
I think a lot of us have been looking at 2009 as THE year for things to come together like they did in 2005. A combination of experience and skill that couldn’t be beat. 2003 was a lot like 2007 in that regard: disappointing -with losses to Arkansas, OU (in an absolute whitewash), and Washington St. - but transitional. I don’t really think that 2008 will end up like 2004 did (with one loss and a BCS win) because Texas doesn’t have a transcendant player to win games despite all the team’s flaws, but it will serve the same purpose, which is working out the kinks for a national championship run the subsequent year.
And I’m with you in thinking that 2009 will define Mack Brown’s legacy as a coach. With the whispers of him retiring sooner rather than later, 2009 may be his last chance to prove 2005 wasn’t just a magical fluke. I don’t think he has to win the championship to cement a positive legacy, but how he deals with that season (prior to it, during it, and after it) will go a long ways towards determining the way his history will be written.
by billyzane on Jun 3, 2008 10:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks PB
Not only for the great analysis, but for making it easier for me to move to Bolivia in a month. This forward-looking viewpoint will allow me to be more relaxed about the team in the coming season. That said, spending the ‘09 season overseas will be that much harder if the potentialities you suggest come to fruition. Damn this football team for making me love them so much…
So take that.
by Kahuna on Jun 3, 2008 12:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
great analysis...
but I’d still love for Mack to go for the gold this year as well.
However, with the amount of youth we’ll have this year, I think focusing on winning this year as well as preparing for next year can be done at the same time.
My adopted son Sergio Kindle does not sleep; he waits.
by mvplonghorns on Jun 3, 2008 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed!
However, with the amount of youth we’ll have this year, I think focusing on winning this year as well as preparing for next year can be done at the same time.
Leading into the 2004 season we had a very young team with a lot of talent. There were some bumps along the way but they still managed to win. And with each win i saw this team turning to something special that climaxed with the win against Michigan.
I dont know if this team needs just a year to improve to get to the championship level, I think they need a year in which things may go there way, Texas jumping Cal in the polls, that may either beating OU or winning a BCS bowl.
I agree with PB that this 2008 year will not be a national championship season, but i do think that there is no “for sure” loss on the schedule, with a lot of very very tough games.
Great read PB!
by blazzinken on Jun 3, 2008 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's in Bolivia for you?
It's a Horns' world. Even Aggies play hoops with a burnt orange ball.
Is it football season YET?
by Speedway on Jun 3, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I basically agree with the concept, but I think you can have both.
I would never feel like it’s okay to say "well, we’ve got a very tough schedule this year, so we’ll pack it in and just start getting ready for next year." Not that I think that’s what you’re advocating, but the strength of the conference is certainly a pillar of your argument. I think this Texas team is quite capable of being the surprise team in the conference this year (at least as much as Texas being good would surprise anyone). But I do agree that once your limitations have reared their ugly heads, it is counterproductive to ignore them. You have to embrace them and use them to your advantage as much as possible, or you will repeat the same mistakes over and over again.
It’s interesting that you talked about playing for the present until your goals (conference title, national title) are unattainable. You’re right in that a 10-win season is not and should never be the target. And I would go so far as to take that from a season scale down to a game scale (sort of like Augie’s ‘win each inning’ approach) and say as long as the game is on the line, you do what you have to do to win. Once the outcome has more or less been decided, then you don’t have to play it so straight and narrow anymore.
But I don’t necessarily feel like a 7-5 or 8-4 season does just as much as good as a 9-3 or 10-2 season, even if it’s a productive 7-5 or 8-4. Regardless of how good Mack Brown is with a kid’s parents in their living room, after seven consecutive years of at least 10 wins (and 10 straight years of nine or more wins), he’s going to have to be able to explain that kind of an outlier, and it’s not going to be easy to do with Bob Stoops and Les Miles sitting on the other shoulder. While it’s certainly true that the 2005 season seems like just a blip on the radar now for the Sooners, it’s easier to overlook when you’re getting to a BCS bowl every year. Texas isn’t.
I definitely agree that the best players should be on the field, even if they are younger and less experienced, but I think that’s the case all the time, not just when the cause is lost. And I’m talking about the best football players, not necessarily the best athletes. A lot of rookies don’t pick up on certain nuances until they’re more seasoned, and if that’s a problem, so be it. But there’s no room for sentimentality anymore with regard to veterans. A predetermined hierarchy does nothing to motivate either set of players to become better, as we are all painfully aware. At least on defense, Muschamp’s approach seems to take that into consideration, which is good news.
I also had the same thought as UT Fanatic about players who seem to come from nowhere. I don’t think you see it as clearly among your own team’s player as you see it in opponents’ players, but it’s there. For whatever reason, I can’t get the image of Fozzy Whittaker becoming a household name out of my head. And it may not be him. It may be someone else. But I think Texas has at least one of those players on the roster for ’08.
by bassale47 on Jun 3, 2008 12:57 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I hope its Fozzy
With a name like that, I am really really pulling for the guy to be good. I would love to have the opportunity to cheer hard for Fozzy!!
by BoddickerIsClutch on Jun 3, 2008 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
putting too much stock in 09
yall are setting yourselves up for uber disappointment. Yeah its fair to say 09 is probably our best shot in a while but, more and more of yall are sort of leaning on that crutch “just wait for 09”. The fact is, even with the best team available the odds of winning the NC are a bit long. Sorry but I try to watch and enjoy football, enjoy winning and all the spoils that come with it. If we get a MNC, thats great, but Im not of the Nat’l title or bust philosophy. It’s absolutely unrealistic. Consider this, if 2009 doesnt pan out, what is your reaction going to be? What exactly would be good enough for 09? A BCS game win? a big12 championship? Do you demand a title?
by owenh on Jun 3, 2008 1:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry but I try to watch and enjoy football, enjoy winning and all the spoils that come with it. If we get a MNC, thats great, but Im not of the Nat’l title or bust philosophy.
Fans are entitled to their expectations, but I tend to agree—if you can’t enjoy football unless your team is winning championships as a matter of habit, you’re setting yourself up for (potentially long-term) serial disappointment. It’s one thing to have high hopes (essentially an estimate of your team’s maximum potential), but it’s another to set your expectations at the same level.
by a0nyme on Jun 3, 2008 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
For starters, I agree with a lot of what you wrote. And I think I’ve been pretty clear over the years that I don’t need a natty title to be happy. As I’ve said many times, Mack Brown can 10-3 his way into retirement, and he still finishes a hero overall. The gift of 2005 was literally priceless.
With that said, what we’re talking about here is an opportunity for Mack Brown in 2009. And if he’s going to be something more than “The very good coach who gave me the beautiful 2005,” then he needs to put another run together, and things are lining up nicely for next fall.
And my standard here is definitely a Big 12 championship and/or appearance in the national title game. Basically: having a truly elite year of some sort. I don’t think that’s an unreasonable expectation, nor does it mean my enjoyment is tethered to it coming to fruition.
I just wanted to be sure I spoke up to emphasize that those are two very different aspects of fandom – my analyst side and my pure love of the team/sport side. I can indulge the analysis without compromising the love for all things Texas football. (And all things college football.)
There’s no either/or.
--PB--
by Peter Bean on Jun 3, 2008 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Attrition
I wonder if we’d have been looking at 2008 as being “THE YEAR” if we hadn’t lost Joseph, Jones, Snead, Webb, Watts, Charles and Finley and/or if we’d been able to hang on to Moody and Pianalto. That’s at least 5 players that would have had experience and started for us in 2008.
In addition to the points PB made above, 2009 will be another rebuilding year if we don’t stop hemorraging talent.
by Horncasting on Jun 3, 2008 2:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What makes me most nervous...
...about both 2008 and 2009 is our reliance on a quarterback who is prone to expose himself to injury. Colt goes down every year and at that point we are dead.
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.
by Caradoc on Jun 3, 2008 4:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
injury
That has the potential to be a blessing in disguise
I am neither condoning the hope for an injury to Colt nor personally wishing for one
by Jason Mayer on Jun 3, 2008 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: injury
By the way, that second sentence was meant to be an important footnote to the first statement
by Jason Mayer on Jun 3, 2008 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is smart to mentally prepare
yourself as a fan for Colt to be injured at some point.
It is pretty much a stone cold lock.
What happens after that will be a great piece of high drama. My gut tells me Sherrod Harris is a better choice to run the offense.
It wouldn’t surprise me if the coaches are wondering the same thing.
In live action Chiles can’t hit the broad side of a barn. There are those that say, "but ya, Vince could only do such and such by his sophomore year".
Please stop the comparisons people. You are only hurting yourselves.
Chiles is the team’s best running and receiving option. Period. He is no better than Henry Melton as a passer. Vince was light years beyond Chiles at this point.
Cats and dogs sleeping together.
by EYESofBEVO on Jun 3, 2008 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Either way...
I’m friggin excited for this season (and whatever may be in store for us in ‘09). Nothing like college football…
It doesn't matter if you win or lose, as long as you come in first.
by Super Saiyan Patrick on Jun 3, 2008 6:44 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Here, here.
Mugs clink.
--Horn Brain--
by Horn Brain on Jun 3, 2008 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
08' football
I am very excited about the 2008 season. I wouldn’t worry about 2009, especially if Colt stinks it up again. We also don’t know who will suprise us by entereing the draft. I didn’t expect anybody to leave early this year, and look what happened.
Mack Brown is a great college football coach. I wouldn’t ever want to see him go, as long as he is still bringing in great talent. I think college football is a puzzle. The peices have to fit just right for things to work. A team must stay healthy, have leadership at key positions, good coaching, and good recruiting. The only flaw I see in Mack Brown is his ou record, but he doesn’t strap the helmet on and play himself. Texas should have won the last 3 years in a row (minus a few dumb mistakes by players).
The offense will have similar stats this year, but hopefully with less turnovers. If they can eliminate some turnovers, they will add a couple wins. The defense might have similar stats, but only because they are playing a bunch of pass happy good teams. Stats aren’t important to me (wins are).
I’m not sure if its better to lose BCS games all the time, or never get to BCS games!
by Longhorns84 on Jun 4, 2008 8:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
problem with your theory of building for the future
is that texas fans would have to be willing to accept a season of 8-5 or 9-4, which we know they won’t do.
Follow the 2007 season with a 7-6 campaign, and texas on the decline is not a theory, it is a reality.
by Beergut on Jun 4, 2008 12:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Please just use the quote button
I dont know what you do, but your quotes just roll off the page.
by Wells on Jun 4, 2008 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know what is doing that
but I didn’t put that in quotes
it is a quirk that hits me occasionally
the end of that line is “it is reality”
by Beergut on Jun 4, 2008 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where are you quoting from?
Unless someone answers the missing persons report on John Mackovic, I find it highly unrealistic.
by learned hand on Jun 4, 2008 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs



























