Texas' Top 10
Especially at this time of year, it's nice when the content comes to you. Admittedly, I wasn't thinking about that when I jumped in this Phil Steele thread with a quick, unsubstantiated assertion that "Lamarr Houston is the best player on the team." But I'm glad I threw it in there, as it quickly led to a great topic for tonight's post.
Reader 'texasfan05' replied:
your kidding....
Right?
Lamarr Houston is a great player, and is a solid D lineman, but “best player on the team”??? I don’t think so. He’s not even the best player on the Defense. Kindle takes that slot. This should be Kindles year, I’ve watched him for 2 years now, and when he’s not hurt, everytime he’s on the field he makes a play. When we kick the ball off, me and my friends just watch Kindle because he always takes someone’s head off, whether it be the ball carrier or a blocker.
Soon thereafter, reader 'BMG' took the topic to its logical conclusion, proposing a discussion of the team's Top 10 players. A grand idea, which we'll run with for a couple of reasons. First, it'll be fun: there aren't any right answers (though maybe some wrong ones). And second, I think you'll find that if you sit down to put together a top 10, it's not so hard to see why this year is such a critical development season for the Longhorns.
TEXAS' TOP 10
In the mix: Apologies now to Jared Norton, Eddie Jones, Jordan Shipley, Ryan Palmer, and the dozen or so young kids oozing with talent who may well take this list by storm before the season's over. And to the offensive line, who I'm just not considering for this particular list. Feel free to do so in your own Top 10, but I'll save my line commentary for another post; it needs to be an integrated set of thoughts.
10. Sergio Kindle and John Chiles - I'll include these two at the back end of the list for their difference-making potential. We've seen flashes of sexy from both, but my own list weights production at least as much as raw talent, which is why I'm not in agreement with texaslonghornfan05's position. For Chiles, it was a fine true freshman debut, but (a) his action was very limited and (b) he wasn't allowed to pass (and when he was he missed).
And Kindle? I absolutely see the beast of a player texaslonghornfan05 so enjoys, but there's an enormous gulf between what we think he could become and what he's been. Even setting aside the DUI and the injuries, his production in 8 games last season wasn't anything special: 32 tackles, 4 tackles-for-loss, 0.5 sacks.
I will say this about these two, though: It might well be that no two players could do more to making 2008 a special season. A healthy, breakout season for Kindle would give Muschamp a truly great trio of linebackers to work with. And Chiles may represent Texas' best bet to give the offense an explosive dimension it's desperately going to need.

9. Vondrell McGee - I'm not as high on McGee as some, but only insofar as I don't see much home run potential. I do think he has more pop than his 4.0 ypc last season, which was as much a reflection of his usage as any inabilities of his own, but my own take after watching him a full season is that he's not a guy who's going to get into open space as well as the best of the best.
Why include him in the Top 10, then? Well, there's no such thing as value without context, and McGee possesses some situational strengths that are truly outstanding. He rarely loses yards and runs deftly between the tackles - so well, in fact, that even if his yards per attempt aren't anything special, his ability to pick up 3, 4, 5 yards on command significantly boosts his value. And especially this year, when Texas is going to have to sustain drives to score points. His ability to pick up first downs and score from inside the five make him a vastly more valuable asset this fall than he would be on, say, the '05 team.
8. Colt McCoy - On the one hand, he accounted for 23 of the team's 26 turnovers, via 18 picks, and 5 lost fumbles (fortunate, considering the dozen he put on the ground, including 6 in the final 2 games). Though his completion percentage was solid, most fans would agree that his accuracy was an issue - especially on deep balls - for most of the season.
On the other hand, even the most Colt-skeptical Longhorn fan had to admire the way he competed last year. The best play in Texas' offensive arsenal last year wasn't even in the playbook: 'Colt Run For His Life And Make A Play, 33-Blue. On three. Break." In what was a very trying year for the Texas offense, Colt certainly battled his heart out. That counts for a lot.
It's anyone's guess what's in store for Colt this year, but I'm an optimist at heart: I'm rather hopeful that Colt's going to put together a solid season as Texas continues to transition away from the spread option and towards a passing spread attack.1 I'm not so clear on whether Texas will have the receiving options to make things click right away this fall, but as we develop, I think we'll see Colt perform well enough in that kind of system.
Seriously, Texas needs to get away from this in 2008.
7. Roy Miller - If you liked Derek Lokey, you should like Roy Miller, too; they're pretty much the same player. Nose tackles rarely enjoy college glory, but their importance can't be overstated. Job #1 for Miller is to engage two blockers. Job #1A is to raise hell if the opposing offense tries to block him solo. He can do both.
6. Quan Cosby - I remember wondering last summer whether Quan had a shot at 100 receptions in '07. That proved foolish (he finished 10 behind the 70 from surprise team leader Nate Jones), but it had nothing to do with Quan himself, who was his usual rock-solid self as one of the conference's best possession receivers. Though he didn't take too well to punt returning, his kickoff returning was again above average. All told, his position on this list might say more about the question marks on Texas' offense than it does Cosby himself, but he's a player you want on your team 10 times out of 10. He's an easy Longhorn to root for.
5. Roddrick Muckelroy - At times I've asked myself whether my Muckelroy enthusiasm was a bit overzealous - perhaps a product of his peers the past two seasons. A thousand square feet means two very different things in Manhattan and Marfa, right?
We'll find out this year, as Muckelroy should be a full-season starter for the first time. His nose for the ball is already proven; this year we need to see him up his shaky pass coverage to a similar level.
4. Ryan Bailey - Don't forget about this kid. If I had an MVP Ballot for the Longhorns last year, I'd have put him in my top three. He hit on 18 of his 22 field goal attempts last year, including an outstanding 8 of 10 from beyond 40 yards. What a fortunate diamond in the rough we stumbled upon in 2006.
3. Deon Beasley - He's getting close. Real close. A shining example of what proper player development looks lke, Beasley was baptized by fire as a true freshman and has steadily improved as the reps have increased. Talent, experience, and time to develop - it's all there. I expect to see his name on pre-season award lists at this time next year.
2. Brian Orakpo - I won't argue with anyone who decides to rank him even higher; he showed Rudy Carpenter precisely what a menace he can be when healthy. Despite missing three games in September, Orakpo's 2007 numbers were excellent - especially on a per-game basis - and Texas fans got a taste of that enormously high ceiling we all thought that he had when he arrived in Austin.
Health-willing, he's going to have an even better senior season. And by health-willing, I mean his and his compadres in the starting front seven. If Miller and Houston are blowing up the interior and Muckelroy-Norton-Kindle are the patrolling linebackers, more than a few left tackles are going to want to disappear after facing Orakpo for a full game.
1. Lamarr Houston - Am I showing my biases here? Maybe so, all things considered. But I can definitely make a plausible case for the junior defensive tackle.
Starting right there, in fact: "defensive tackle." Raise your hand if you blinked when Muschamp decided he would address the DT depth crisis by moving Houston inside. Yeah, me neither - the kid played last year at 6-2, 280 pounds, after all. But it also demonstrates what a freak Houston was at defensive end last season, when he ran players down from behind, regularly beat blockers with agility and quickness, or - my favorite - pursued the ball like a crazed linebacker. Whether the play was headed right to his gap assignment or 30 yards downfield, rare was the play in which Houston wasn't making the tackle or madly racing to get in on the action.
P.S. He's on the academic honor roll, too. I love this kid.
The numbers confirm the brilliance of his sophomore season: 13 games, 66 tackles, 12 tackles-for-loss, 4.5 sacks, 24 QB Hurries, and 1 forced fumble. To put those in perspective, compare Houston’s with the senior year numbers of Virginia DE Chris Long, the #2 overall pick in the 2008 NFL Draft: 13 games, 79 tackles, 19 tackles-for-loss, 14 sacks, 23 QB Hurries, and 2 forced fumbles. More perspective: as a junior, Long had 57 tackles, 12 for a loss, 4 sacks, and 21 QB Hurries.
So.. the guy who's big and strong enough to move inside had better sophomore numbers at DE than the #2 NFL Draft pick did when he was a junior? Basically, yeah. Even setting aside the gaudy stats, Lamarr Houston is an absolute joy to watch on the gridiron. He's that rarest breed of player who combines physical freakdom with elite instincts and an insatiable desire to pursue the ball and make plays. I have no doubt at all that my now year-long obsession with Houston will be validated when it's his turn to be Chris Long.
Or will the proper comparison be to a tackle like Glenn Dorsey? If all goes as well as I hope and expect it to, the right comparison will be Casey Hampton.
To answer your question, texasfan05: I'm not kidding at all.
1Both the hiring of Major Applewhite and selection of Garrett Gilbert over Russell Shepard all but guarantee Texas is headed towards a pass spread attack like what Missouri is running with Chase Daniel.
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It's an interesting list
Mostly because the gulf between potential and performance is so large. Take a look; Misters 1, 3, 5, 7, 9 and 10s weren’t starters last year. Obviously you see newbies on every team, but that’s just the difference between OU’s and UT’s 2008 pre-season rankings. In short, I don’t think you can really understate the importance of Mack, Davis, Muschamp, Major, et al’s coaching performance this year.
I also think you’re slighting Jordan Shipley, who’s probably Colt’s favorite downfield target over an injured Sweed and a VY-less Pittman, and Jared Norton, who is arguably a step below talent in Muck and Kindle, but has shown much more consistency at the linebacker position.
by jc25 on Jun 6, 2008 9:25 AM CDT 0 recs
Top 10 List
There can be only 10.
If you want to include Shiply and Norton, who will you drop off?
Personally Im not that high on Quan, though its hard to argue with his dependability and results. But I get the feeling he wouldnt see the field at all back in 2002, and Im hoping he loses some return duty. Those two feelings make it hard for me to think of him as a top ten player on the team.
This is definitely an exciting (or is it terrifying?) year for skill positions on offense. Cant wait to see how we shape up, I too am always the optimist.
by BoddickerIsClutch on
Jun 6, 2008 10:07 AM CDT
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I'd add Shipley and drop Q.Cosby
It's a Horns' world. Even Aggies play hoops with a burnt orange ball.
Is it football season YET?
by Speedway on
Jun 6, 2008 10:17 AM CDT
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Quan
Would probably be the 4th wideout in 2002. But a grown up Limas Sweed might have only been the 3rd receiver on that corps, no better than #2.
He makes my top 10, but a bit lower. Guys who can get open and get first downs are hard enough to come by. I’d put him about 9 for a similar rational that PB uses to put McGee in that spot. I.e., good enough, dependable and doing the little things that keep an offense going.
by learned hand on
Jun 6, 2008 10:21 AM CDT
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A healthy Limus
In my opinion, easily beats out BJ for the #2 spot. BJ was a solid receiver, but he dropped way too many balls and was slower than he should have been.
I remember one trick play where Roy tossed it deep to BJ, who underran the ball (Roy would never overthrow). Asked about it afterwards Roy said something along the lines of, “I thought we had 4.4 guys, not 4.6 guys.” God Roy ruled. If only he could have cloned himself to throw the ball to himself...
Quan imo, would have been in Kyle Shanahan/Tony Jeffrey territory, maybe challenge Sloan for time as the #3.
No one tops Roy, but thats a bit unfair, course maybe putting any WR against the 2002 core is unfair.
by BoddickerIsClutch on
Jun 6, 2008 10:53 AM CDT
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Roy was a man among boys
I agree that BJ never was as fast on the football field as he should have been (wasn’t he varsity track at SGP?), and not nearly as good overall as Limas. BJ was a different type of player who excelled more at gain something after the catch and was a great compliment to Roy, who could do everything Limas could do, but at a superhuman level.
I don’t think Greg Davis’s brain could adjust to having two fast, giant, deep threat wide outs on the field at the same time. He needs the comforting stereotype of a yac guy running 12 yards down field, so in my opinion (however erroneous it might be) I’d see Limas holding #3 duty.
And thanks for the link, that cartoon is one of the primary reasons Rod Babers is one of my all time favorite horns.
by learned hand on
Jun 6, 2008 12:05 PM CDT
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Me too
I actually had to look up Mac and email him of sorts to ask if he had that comic.
After reading that Babers got his degree at this most recent graduation, and that he wanted to teach health class, it totally reminded me of this comic. So I looked up Bill and Erik, was happy to find it online, but couldn’t find the above, or any of his other Roy ones.
So I looked up Mac, found him, and requested that comic if he still had it. Thankfully he seems to be as good of a guy as he comes off in his comic, and he uploaded it and sent me the link.
And here it is today.
Whew.
Ok back on topic.
I see where you are going, but having two freakishly sized WR cannot be a bad thing, even if its as simple as streak em both and throw to the side the safety doesnt choose.
Anyway, Im really hoping to see one (or more) of the younglings at WR step up and contribute. Or even better, see Chiles line up.
by BoddickerIsClutch on
Jun 6, 2008 12:49 PM CDT
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Two freakishly size WR could have the side effect
of making GD’s head explode. This too, may not be a bad thing.
Hopefully Major has a big influence on his staggering lack of imagination.
by learned hand on
Jun 6, 2008 5:03 PM CDT
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someone else remembers bill and erik!
my favorite daily texan comic strip. you could always count on it for unapologetic absurdity in the morning.
by billyzane on
Jun 6, 2008 12:24 PM CDT
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Bill and Erik was greatness
I especially loved the character of Cobra Commander. Bring me more wine coolers. This I command!
by Meekrob on
Jun 6, 2008 12:57 PM CDT
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Since you asked
In the mix: Apologies now to Jared Norton, Eddie Jones, Jordan Shipley, Ryan Palmer, and the dozen or so young kids oozing with talent who may well take this list by storm before the season’s over. And to the offensive line, who I’m just not considering for this particular list. Feel free to do so in your own Top 10, but I’ll save my line commentary for another post; it needs to be an integrated set of thoughts.
Taking into account PB’s sentiments:
1. Performance over potential.
2. No offensive linemen.
My list:
1. Orakpo
2. Houston
3. Bailey
4. McCoy
5. Quan
6. Norton
7. Muck
8. Shipley
9. Miller
10. Beasley
I bumped Kindle, Chiles and McGee because they just haven’t done enough on the field for me, although I could certainly see one (or all three) make it onto the list be the end of the season. Ditto for Phil’s youngsters, Fozzy and Chykie.
Some other names to consider that haven’t been brought up: Irby (who should be outlet option 1 on broken routes), whichever young wideout takes the WR3 role, Aaron Lewis (who just missed at 11th on my list), and Henry Melton (who’s supposedly getting rave reviews at DE).
by jc25 on
Jun 6, 2008 12:16 PM CDT
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#1
Brian Orakpo is the best player to me. I think Lamar Houston and Sergio kindle are close behind. Colt McCoy is leading in the poll! hahahahahaha! He shouldn’t even be on the list. The poll is still early though. John Chiles has a good chance to move up on the list this season.
by Longhorns84 on Jun 6, 2008 10:16 AM CDT 0 recs
With these players and Muschamp's coaching
I’m much more comfortable with our defense going into this season than with the offense. I hesitate to broadcast that, of course—we’ve been that bad the past couple of years.
On offense, I think it will remain running back by committee all year, and I think that’ll be fine. By season’s end, Fozzy could become our change-of-pace home run threat, with McGee getting the majority of the carries and Ogbonnaya contributing in short-yardage situations. I watched Fozzy at the spring game, and he looked very fast, with a shifty running style.
The passing game is where I see the biggest question marks. With a more experienced offensive line, can McCoy go back to “playing within himself” and cut down on those turnovers (no idea he had that many)? Will a young wide receiver step up as a legitimate deep threat? Finally, can we deploy Chiles in a way that comes anywhere close to maximizing his potential? I feel good about McCoy, but my optimism drops progressively from there.
by a0nyme on Jun 6, 2008 12:05 PM CDT 0 recs
Ogbonnaya
I think most of his snaps will be in passing situations.
by Wells on
Jun 7, 2008 1:24 PM CDT
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Poll question
There seems to be a healthy debate over who our best player is: Orakpo or Houston. Perhaps a poll question is in order?
by jc25 on Jun 6, 2008 12:17 PM CDT 0 recs
jc25, I hardly recognized you
with the updated avatar.
I think you had the Jamaal Charles avatar for a short time before BiC tempted you to change it.
It's a Horns' world. Even Aggies play hoops with a burnt orange ball.
Is it football season YET?
by Speedway on
Jun 6, 2008 12:19 PM CDT
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Hey now...
I take no responsibility for Elisha’s affect on the general populace.
Nor do I take any responsibility for her effect on me.
by BoddickerIsClutch on
Jun 6, 2008 12:54 PM CDT
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Haha
I saw the Scouts Inc article on the top 64 NFL running backs, and Charles checked in at 64. So I felt like giving him some love again.
I’m sure Jessica will pop up some time in the near future.
by jc25 on
Jun 6, 2008 1:43 PM CDT
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Who's Elisha? I thought that was Kim Bauer!
It's a Horns' world. Even Aggies play hoops with a burnt orange ball.
Is it football season YET?
by Speedway on
Jun 6, 2008 2:06 PM CDT
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Takes a brave man
to have Kim Bauer as his Avatar.
by learned hand on
Jun 6, 2008 2:17 PM CDT
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My top 10
10 Mike Huey
9 Sergio Kindle
8 Kyle Hix
7 Deon Beasley
6 Lamar Houston
5 Roy Miller
4. Mccoy
3 Ryan Baily
2 McGee
1 Orakpo
Get your ass going! You ain't hurt!
by Cyrus on Jun 6, 2008 1:40 PM CDT 0 recs
Ok PB
I’m the first to acknowledge when I’m wrong…. but I still don’t think I am. While many people are into the stats of a football player, I look for overall accountability and intangibles. That being said, Lamaar Houston does still fall into my top 3 of best players on the team, because of his innate ability to be where ever the ball is on the field. But I still believe that a healthy Kindle would do wonders for our team, as long as he is on the field (Mack). But you have reminded me of all the times I saw Lamaar Houston everywhere, so I can accept him being your number one guy.
BUT, I may be just too much of an optimistic Texas football fan, but I believe that the best player on our team, in terms of innate ability, is still John Chiles. With him on the field our offense goes from a predictable “run, run, pass, punt” offense, into an offense where the opposing defense will be shaking in their jockstraps wondering if Chiles is going to run it, pass it, or hand it off to Whitaker or McGee. But again, I’m a Texas optimist.
My top Ten.
10. Colt McCoy ( as I’m sure you can tell, I’m not exactly a Colt lover, but he’ll do)
9. Jordan Shipley ( I love this guy, but dang I feel bad for him)
8. Deon Beasley
7. Rodrick Muckelroy
6. Quan Cosby
5. Hall ( who played every offensive line position last year, without him we would have been lost)
4. Orakpo
Tie 2- Kindle There we go, with both of them at 100% on the field, we’re Invincible
Tie 2- Houston
1. Chiles
by texasfan05 on Jun 6, 2008 2:37 PM CDT 0 recs
This is for another day, another post...
But what about a “top ten players to watch” list? Ten players who could, for good or ill, have a huge impact on our fortunes in 2008.
by a0nyme on Jun 6, 2008 4:03 PM CDT 0 recs
that would look like...
10. Tray Allen
9. Ben Wells
8. Christian Scott
7. Earl Thomas
6.Dan Buckner
5. Deshaun Hales
4. Curtis Brown
3. Fozzy Whitaker
2. Sergio Kindle
1. John Chiles
by texasfan05 on
Jun 6, 2008 4:54 PM CDT
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Dan Buckner has to be #1
He is your starting X receiver, without him, your offense does not go.
texasfan05,
If a defensive player is shaking in his jockstrap at the thought of Chiles passing, it is from laughter, not fear.
Right now, Chiles is the worst player on offens eon the field at QB, b/c he is a one-dimensional threat.
by Beergut on Jun 6, 2008 7:24 PM CDT 0 recs
I rather have..
A one dimensional weapon that can be taught to throw, over a one dimensional toy pistol that can’t be taught to run like Chiles. Thats just me.
by texasfan05 on
Jun 7, 2008 1:17 AM CDT
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I'll have to go with PB...
Lamarr Houston is just a sick athlete. The size-to-speed combination is unreal on that guy.
I’m hoping that Muschamp still slides him out to Defensive End from time to time so he can just use his speed off the edge. But his size and strength should prove plenty useful on the interior.
Him and Miller on the inside is going to be a killer combination. Teams won’t know who to double (or triple) team.
My adopted son Sergio Kindle does not sleep; he waits.
by mvplonghorns on Jun 7, 2008 12:12 PM CDT 0 recs


















