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Depth Chartin': Offense

Reader LSMFT took a stab at the 2008 depth chart on Wednesday; as promised in the comments, I have some follow-up thoughts. We'll start with the offense:

My season opener projection, with brief commentary:

FL
Jordan Shipley

Brandon Collins
DJ Grant
TE
Blaine Irby

Peter Ullman

Josh Marshall
RT
Kyle Hix

Aundre McGaskey

RG
Cedric Dockery

Britt Mitchell

C
Chris Hall

Buck Burnette

 
LG
Charlie Tanner
Michael Huey


LT
Adam Ulatoski

Tray Allen

 
SE
Malcolm Williams

Montre Webber
Dan Buckner
TB
Vondrell McGee

Foswhitt Whittaker

Chris Ogboannaya
QB
Colt McCoy
Sherrod Harris

John Chiles
SB
Quan Cosby

James Kirkendoll

 DeSean Hales

NOTES

General: Eliminated the FB position, which isn't a big part of the offense / Didn't go three-deep where the projection is too speculative / Avoided slotting John Chiles & Curtis Brown at WR (let's talk in August).

Projection Note: The above is for the opening game only. One important thing to emphasize is that the situation has to be considered extremely fluid at RB, WR, and along the OL - one of several reasons why I'm not sold on 2008 as Texas' year to win any titles.

QB: I think we're going to see a shift on the QB depth chart behind McCoy, with Harris assuming back up duties and Chiles being used as an all-purpose roamer. This is a good thing. Texas needs a Jeremy Maclin-type threat on the field, and Chiles is as good a bet as any. Use the kid and let the more polished Harris develop as the #2 QB.

RB: McGee between the tackles, Whittaker given every chance to show home run potential, and OG as our third-down specialist.

WR: If there's a surprise breakout on offense for Texas this year, part of the formula involves Malcolm Williams erupting. Call it a hunch.

OL: The projected group I have won't be the starters by bowl season. The situation on the OL looks great for 2009-10. This year is to sort out who's who.

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In the texas offense, the SE is X, the TE is Y, the FL is Z, and the SB is B.

FWIW, I think Buckner is going to start (and excel) at X this season.

by Beergut on Jul 11, 2008 4:30 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

a few points...

1. Is Ulatoski really the best option at LT? I think the line will be pretty solid outside of him, but I seem to remember Ulatoski getting beaten too often by more athletic ends and OLBs. Not to mention the fact that he’s been an injury waiting to happen the last couple of years. We can’t afford to be weak at LT, here’s hoping that Allen steps up.
2. Buckner should surpass Webber early on. It would be a shame for Buckner to not see 20 receptions this year. And I can’t imagine Webber is going to bust out this year after he’s done little to nothing to separate himself so far. Williams should fit in nicely into the SE role for a year or so while Buckner and Grant develop.

John Chiles - I'm your foster daddy!

by BMG on Jul 11, 2008 8:18 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Hales

Does anybody think Hales will return some kicks? I hope so.

by Longhorns84 on Jul 11, 2008 8:22 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Unfortunately I dont think it is Mack's M.O.

To take that job away from a competant, if not spectacular Senior.

I am hopeful he will get the chance to though.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Jul 11, 2008 9:08 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

"not spectacular" == sevicable

Though I can see how it could be a confusing read, that was my intent.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Jul 11, 2008 9:13 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Kick Returning

If the offense is having trouble moving the ball downfield I would expect that one the first changes will be to see if one of these guys (Chiles, Hales, or one of the young corners) can be more of a threat than Quan.

If we’re moving the ball well though, I can’t see the coaches moving away from a guy like Quan who’s got all the experience and is a sure-handed as anyone on the team. Instead, give Hales, Grant and others the opportunity to break open plays using the spread offense.

John Chiles - I'm your foster daddy!

by BMG on Jul 11, 2008 12:11 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Hands not Feet

Seems to me that what Brown cares most about on kick returners is that they catch the ball. And he’s probably right. A muff on a kick is one of the most disastrous things that can happen to you.

Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.

by Caradoc on Jul 11, 2008 12:29 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I dont remember Ramonce being the most rock solid catcher of kicks

Maybe Im wrong, or we didnt have better options, I forget. But he could return like a madman.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Jul 11, 2008 1:17 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I don't recall either

but I do remember he was known for almost taking a safety then spinning back and running up the sideline for forty yards.

by billb on Jul 11, 2008 3:08 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Romance

was a good returner, but he had pretty damn good hands. He was a receiver/RB. A. Ross returned kicks, and didn’t have great hands.

by Longhorns84 on Jul 11, 2008 6:05 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

offensive lineup

PB: Seems to me you pretty well nailed it at QB, RB and TE . . . I have my doubts Mack will start a freshman (Williams) at WR ahead of one of the three sophomores (Webber, Collins, Kirkendoll) who saw some field time in ‘07 . . . and, while Hix was excellent as a true freshman, I’m hopeful Allen is ready to be the LT; he’s certainly more athletic than Hix or Ulatoski. . . As to the RB rotation, I think McGee is more than just a straight-ahead plower who will get the majority of the carries . . . Good call on Harris at QB; we’ll see how creative GD and Mack and Major are at employing Chiles as a big-play force.

by edsp on Jul 11, 2008 10:36 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

playmaker

I read that Williams is a faster version of Limas Sweed! He will play if he is.

by Longhorns84 on Jul 11, 2008 12:11 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

...

and hopefully can make more than just one big catch.

by Longhorny on Jul 12, 2008 11:25 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

one big catch

Hey..We didn’t really know how big that catch was until later in the year. If any receiver turns a game/catch into a championship season, I’m game!

by Longhorns84 on Jul 13, 2008 12:30 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I got a shovel

and can dig it ….but it was only second down and tOSU defense was on their heels.

by Longhorny on Jul 13, 2008 7:07 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Hales

Hales can be an absolute nightmare for the kicking team. He has the ability to take it to the house every time he touches the ball.

If I am elected mayor, my first official act will be to kill the lot of you and burn your town to cinders

by 98horn on Jul 11, 2008 10:37 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Cosby

I would think Mack would want Cosby to save his energy for offense. Why not put Hales, C. Brown, Monroe, etc. on kick returns since they don’t start?

by Longhorns84 on Jul 11, 2008 12:10 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Fullback

How sad that the fullback no longer even merits a position on the depth chart. But with spread offenses, we are left with one-back (or no-back) sets and it’s pass, pass, pass.

I have to say that any team that is serious about a running game needs a good fullback. Look at Lorenzo Neal on the Chargers. Without him, Ladainian Thompson is a 1000 yard back. And look what he did for Corie Dylan and Eddie George.

Unfortunately, our best candidate for the position, Vondrell McGee, is slated to be the running back.

Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.

by Caradoc on Jul 11, 2008 12:39 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

McGee

a fullback? I don’t think so! I’d say Cody Johnson.

by Longhorns84 on Jul 11, 2008 1:08 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I meant Tomlinson

But I am massively impressed by Neal.

Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.

by Caradoc on Jul 12, 2008 11:34 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Texas ran 55% of the time last year

and around 57% in the Mack era, so some portion of those will have a FB of sorts for third downs, goal line and obvious pass situations where you need extra blocking. Oggy might play a role here, too, as the longer experienced RB.

It’s not ‘pass, pass, pass’ but the difference now is that the pass is always an option on virtually every play whereas in earlier eras it was not except for certain situations. If we had to pick a time, that changed with Mackovic, although there had been incidental periods when the Horns passed a lot more.

I understand that often it looks like we ‘pass, pass, pass’ but that’s only a 10-15% difference form earlier eras. In the wishbone days, the Bellard statement was that ‘you don’t need to pass very much; you just need to firmly establish the threat of the pass’ and this was merely a reiteration of the prevalent thought in the running era.

by whills on Jul 11, 2008 1:47 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

concerning the pass

What’s lost in the run-pass discussion, as it pertains to UT, is that the Longhorns haven’t had an effective INSIDE running game since Ced Benson. They lost McCoy at the goal line against Kansas State because they couldn’t power the ball in. They lost to the Aggies two weeks later because of failed short-yardage running plays. Selvin couldn’t do it, Melton couldn’t, Charles couldn’t. Vondrell did, to some extent, last season. The problem is two-fold: incapable (and untrained) backs, and an offensive mindset that focuses on the pass, and thus pass-blocking, to the detriment of inside dive and power plays.

by edsp on Jul 11, 2008 2:41 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Maybe that's true...

to some extent. However, I’d attribute a significant portion of the problem to the fact that we have a very limited array of short yardage running plays. They seem to consist of dive right and dive left.

by Misterserious7 on Jul 11, 2008 2:48 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I agree

I am excited to see McGee, and very excited to see Whaley in a couple years. Hopefully they can end this mess.

by Longhorns84 on Jul 11, 2008 6:16 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

kirkendoll

Personally I hope that Kirkendoll becomes a big part of this offense. Perhaps he wasn’t AS celebrated a recruit as a lot of the other guys that they have brought in (and recruiting rating seems to be the basis of quite a bit of yalls opinions of players) but I think they kid flat out gets it done and especially gets it done in space – I think he might be the quickest receiver on the team.

y’know, Ladanian Thompson, San Diego Charger, Teammate to the great Quentin Hammer

by andmyster on Jul 11, 2008 3:15 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

I agree

Kirkendoll just seems like the best option in my opinion. Collins seems to always drop balls, and Webber as well.

But I would love to see Buckner play over all of them. And Grant. And Hales. I just think those guys just have a different playmaking ability that Webber, Collins, and Kirkendoll don’t seem to have. IMO

by texasfan05 on Jul 11, 2008 3:52 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I gotta see something

before I jump on the wagon!

by Longhorns84 on Jul 11, 2008 6:16 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Yeah, Quentin.

He could tackle at lot better if he didn’t wear those funny damn pants.

by whills on Jul 11, 2008 6:35 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I'm in

.....big-time agreement regarding Kirkendoll’s play. He is slippery as an eel and has really quick lateral movement. His potential for “explosives” is very high. He’s not afraid to go over the middle and just can’t be caught on slants. I’m excited about his potential.

With that said, I hope we run a 10-man rotation at WR for those first four games. We need some game time teaching & coaching. We have to find out who can break free for the deep routes.

I agree with BMG who raised concerns about Ulatoski at LT. Speed rushers have been blowing by him his entire career. He’ll face even faster competition on the left side. This could be a long season for Colt if we can’t find another alternative.

--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---

by HornChamps on Jul 11, 2008 7:16 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   1 recs

I don't think anyone's selling him short per se

I just think a lot of the WR talk is, understandably (and in keeping with this off-season’s “We have no playmakers!” mantra), centering around the perceived need for a WR who can “create mismatches” and “stretch the field”—generally speaking, a big, fast, Limas Sweed-like guy. Neither Collins nor Kirkendoll, however talented, seem to fit that mold.

I agree with HornChamps, though, that heavy WR rotation is the answer in any case. Realistically, we can pencil in Cosby and Shipley. That leaves a nine-man competition for spot #3. Whether it’s Williams, Collins, Kirkendoll, or somebody else, I’m prepared to “accept” whoever comes out on top of that dogpile.

by a0nyme on Jul 11, 2008 9:41 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

personnel groupings for texas

In order, the personnel groupings y’all use most to least would be:
11 personnel
10 personnel
21 personnel
zero personnel
22/13 personnel

texas’ running game consists of the zone read, outside zone, inside zone, and then I-formation series. Last year, you even had a Fly series added in briefly. texas will have a FB (or two) on their roster for when they run the I.
texas is not a spread team, so saying you don’t field a FB b/c you run the spread is inaccurate.

by Beergut on Jul 11, 2008 4:24 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

personnel groupings

Two numbers are assigned to the personnel grouping, first number indicates number of running backs, second number indicates number of TEs.

Hence, 10 personnel is 1 back, 0 TEs, so a 4 WR set.

11 personnel, which texas spends the majority of their time in, is 1 back, 1 TE, so your typical 1 TE, 3 WR set.

21 personnel = 2 backs, 1 TE, or texas’ I-formation.

zero personnel = no backs, no TEs, so 5 WR set, or empty set.

22/13 personnel = 2 backs, 2 TEs or 1 backs, 3 TEs
There are basically your power formation/short yardage/goal line sets.

by Beergut on Jul 13, 2008 8:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

what am I wrong about here?

I may be a little off on my personnel projections by a few percentage points, but I don’t have the time (or the inclination) to break down every texas offensive play from last season and chart their formations.
I didn’t mention the option game in their running game b/c I consider that part of their zone scheme from 10/11 personnel.
texas has a very robust passing scheme which is based on the WCO, with principles which go back all the way to Sid Gilman and Don Coryell.Where am I wrong?

by Beergut on Jul 11, 2008 4:55 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Perhaps just a semantics argument

But the “scheme based on the WCO” that Texas is running is… a version of the spread. Simple as that.

--PB--

by PB @ BON on Jul 11, 2008 7:04 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I think it is more than just a semantics argument (warning: LONG)

I think we need to define what a spread offense is and what a West Coast Offense (WCO) is.

My definition of a spread offense is an offense which splits out its players horizontally across the formation (usually putting the offensive linemen in wide splits) in order to increase the seams in the defense, and force the defense to cover the whole field. The purpose of the spread is to force the defense to cover every offensive skill position player, banking on the fact that most defenses won’t have the talent to cover all four of your WRs and your RB, so there is a mismatch somewhere that you can exploit. Spread offenses operate almost exclusively out of 10 or 0 personnel, although you will see some pure spread option teams (ala West Virginia, A&M under Fran) or spread single wing teams (Florida) utilize 12 and even 13 personnel. Pure spread teams do not field a TE on their roster (and calling a big inside receiver a TE ala Missouri doesn’t count), nor do they field a FB (Louisville inder Petrino featured a powerback in their attack known as the S-back, or Superback, but we’re still talking 10 personnel here).
A spread offense will operate almost exclusively out of the shotgun (which texas does), and will normally utilize the zone read as part of its running game (which texas does). However, any team which uses 10 personnel often is going to use the zone read in its running game simply b/c it is an effective one-back running series, so this does not make a team running zone read a spread team.
Now, Wikipedia lists texas as a spread offense. However, it should be noted that whoever wrote that entry for the Spread Offense makes many mistakes, including confusing the spread and run-n-shoot offense (two different schemes with different rules), and giving credit for the invention of the run-n-shoot offense to Mouse Davis when credit is normally given to Glenn “Tiger” Ellison. The author of this Wiki entry credits Ellison with inventing the spread offense, when the truth is, Leo “Dutch” Meyer of TCU invented the first modern spread offense. Given that this person thinks the spread offense is basically any offense using 4 WRs in a formation to spread out the defense, I’m not inclined to take his classification of texas as a spread team seriously (he also neglects to mention Wake Forest or Texas A&M on his list, both of whom are/were pure spread option teams).

Now, my definition of a West Coast Offense is an offense which uses a short passing game and the running game to move the ball down the field, utilizing 3 WRs, the TE, and the RB, i.e. 11 personnel, to move the ball. A WCO will use the passing concepts of Sid Gilman/Don Coryell or Bill Walsh to move the ball through the air. A WCO will use the FB and TE in the running game and passing game, as both blockers and a receivers. WCO teams will usually use 3 number combinations to tell the receivers what routes to run. WCO teams will often utilize 11 personnel and 21 personnel almost exclusively, with some 10 personnel and 22 personnel used in certain situations (short yardage or end-of-quarter/half, for example). The combination routes WRs run in a WCO tend to try to stretch the defense triangularly (pr, in the case of Norm Chow/LaVell Edwards, trapezoidally).
Now, texas’ passing game is based on Sid Gilman and Don Coryell’s concepts. texas tries to get triangular stretches by stressing the Sam backer and strong safety on most route combinations. One of the main goals of the texas passing offense is to force the strong safety to make a decision, and whatever his decision is, he is wrong.
Let’s take a look at a play so you can see what I mean. Here is Right Trips 133 Go. In texas’ offense, the TE (Y) decides the alignment of the formation, so Right means Y aligns to the right side. Y, Z, and B are all aligned on the right side, so we have Rt Trips. The route calls start opposite the TE, so X runs a 1 route, Y runs a 3, Z runs a 3, and B will always have the concept route, which is GO in this case.
Now, look at the defense.
Sam has to cover the TE. If he blitzes or floats into the flat to cover Z, the TE is roaming free for a reception. If Sam covers Y, the SS is forced to cover Z. The problem is, B has a GO route. If the CB presses B, he will get beat deep, and the result is a huge gain. Knowing this, the SS will be tempted to drop to cover deep on B, which leaves Z uncovered for a reception. If the CB backs off and plays zone, B will run his route into the cusion, and turn around to catch a short pass for the guaranteed gain. Whether the SS decides to cover Z, leaving the CB in one-on-one coverage with B, and open to a huge gain, or decides to help B, leaving Z uncovered, he is wrong either way.
This is the essence of texas’ offense, where they are stressing the Sam backer and SS on the play with their route combination. This is basic Sid Gilman/WCO stuff, not spread football.
Now, another difference between spread offenses and WCO schemes is that most spread coaches I’ve talked to are looking for the weakness to exploit, so they can take advantage for the big play and score. The WCO coaches I’ve talked to are generally more of the approach that “this will give us 8 yard here, and we’ll take that every time”. Now, we’re talking about a difference in approaches, of attacking for big plays approach versus the conservative take-what-we-can-get approach, which will differ from coach to coach, but it is just something I’ve noticed among coaches who utilize the two schemes. I think it is safe to say we all know what approach Greg Davis falls into.
Given what I know about texas’ offensive scheme, I think y’all are definitely a WCO scheme, and not a “version of a spread offense”.

by Beergut on Jul 12, 2008 3:20 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   1 recs

huh?

not getting your reference here

by Beergut on Jul 13, 2008 4:54 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

reply

Actually, I’m ultimately basing my characterization of texas as a WCO scheme on the triangular stretches y’all are trying to achieve in the defense’s secondary.

The lack of a passing game with the RBs is pretty much contrary to both a spread and WCO scheme. However, I will point out that the RB in texas’ offense is responsible for the WLB, so if he is playing up, they have to stay in and block. This is one of the reasons Mack used to be so slow to play freshman like Benson, b/c of their inconsistency as a blocker. This also means the defense can dictate, to an extent, how often you throw to your backs, if it isn’t a called route.

by Beergut on Jul 14, 2008 10:16 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

LH is correct in his assessment.

Very much in the style of old chalk boards…and you were selling your thought well. Whether you’re a coach, someone who interacts with coaching staffs or just particularly astute in this respect, I don’t know. I met a lot of ex-coaches who are sports salesmen and they can demonstrate such fluid narratives at the drop of a hat.

(Black boards went green, then white w/o chalk, to tablet display and projection. So much for throwing generational chalk dust in traditional aglet eyes.)

Damn good exposition (despite the Gilbert Godfrieid response). We’d tangled before over this so I had gone back to read all the history of the spread/WCO at that time, so I understood your logical flow. It was a compliment. Take it and run.

For the average fan, even the more knowledgeable ones, I think the recognition is that if a team spreads the field most of the time, it’s a spread team. And a non-spread team if it employs more traditional formations (even with gadgets). This is seldom perfectly accurate, but I think it is a common perception due to the inability to differentiate. It’s like someone calling the classic Delaware offense an option offense, which is correct, but a damn long ways from really understanding what a refinement it is.

So, due to this perceptual situation for the time being, it’s difficult to argue that a team which spreads the field and uses that as the major mode of attack is not a spread team. You’re not going to persuade many by arguing that it is a distinct variant because they can’t see the difference at this point. (Not you PB, et. al., but generally.)

In the short term, I think you’re going to lose the general argument because the easiest differentiation is between spread and obviously non-spread. (See Jessica Alba photo, notice the lovely duality.)

by whills on Jul 14, 2008 3:12 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Ah, I see

I remember the old black chalkboards. After they were erased once or twice, the chalk dust would be so thick, you could barely read what was written over it.
They used to make mischievous students bang the erasers after school as a punishment.
I wonder what they make them do now for punishment, trace paperclips?

by Beergut on Jul 15, 2008 12:56 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

As I remember it

the ones who wanted out of class would set up the situation, make themselves a nuisance, so that could partake in the “punishment.” We had some who had no interest in school, most were kinesthetic learners who enjoyed hands-on but would get lost in abstractions. Actually, the teachers were happy to get rid of them for a while. The old building here is from 1891 and still has those blackboards and the big slide down fire escape where they would clean them. However, the classic landmark is not used as classroom space now.

Don’t know now; school here is much larger (from barely Class A to 4A), so authoritarian I’m sure that punishment is not so pleasant as dusting erasers and washing blackboards. They’re liable to send you to a school just for problem and working kids. I remember getting about 10 licks in junior and high school; no more of that anymore.

We once had our assistant football coach come into the locker room with a very mischievous grin. And we were being pretty rowdy. He decided by his own special logic that we needed some attention on this Valentine’s Day and had us line up on the goal line in gym shorts and gave us each a healthy whack with his baseball bat, appropriately sliced flat and bored with holes by the ag boys, so that we each got a “kiss” on Valentine’s Day and didn’t go home lonely. My dad thought that was funny as hell, and he had no doubt we deserved it for one reason or another. The coach was about 6’, 205, and had played baseball with Norm Cash at Texas Western, and he had some snap in his wrists. Fifty whacks or so just got him warmed up. Discipline was very different back then, not even conceivable by today’s standards. It was certainly much more definitive, preventative and cheaper than now.

The kids had a lot more behavioral leeway then, but it’s not like we were angels by any means. We had all grown up together so it took just a funny look or whisper to start trouble. And we were the football team, so the implication was that a single lick wasn’t much to endure. And it wasn’t compared to a two-hour mid-afternoon workout in August with one water break at a faucett for 5-10 seconds, when you wish to hell you could get to the point where you could have spit to have cotton mouth. Different world. This wasn’t that long after the Junction Boys and if you chose to play, you chose to endure. It’s a far cry from rotating through 15 stations with a water break every 20-30 minutes or so. Not necessarily better, but definitely tougher physically and mentally in a more compact manner.

And I must note this was pre-integration; our group was predominantly white with some Hispanics; we all were treated the same. I’m sure after ‘65 when I graduated and the school was integrated things did change in many ways.

by whills on Jul 15, 2008 7:18 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I'm convinced people were actually better acclimated to the heat then

I don’t know this for a fact, but I think kids back then spent their summers outdoors or woring on a ranch. They were more acclimated to the heat, which is why no one dropped dead during the practicers in August with little or no water.

by Beergut on Jul 16, 2008 1:17 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

woring on a ranch

is this wHoring or worKing…lol

by vy til i die on Jul 16, 2008 10:55 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

You're correct in this, despite misspelling.

This is a common coaches’ complaint now; it’s an era of soft kids and it take extraordinary motivational skills to reach everyone on a team.

Lake Travis is in our district and for years the general consensus was that their affluent and comfortable lives contributed to their basic weakness as a football team. In golf, tennis and soccer they were elite, sometimes in girls track, too. But not football.

But that argument came into conflict when they saw their affluent neighbor, Westlake Hills, produce dominating teams consistently. It came down to a coach who could convince the kids to work that hard, could push the edge with both the kids and their parents and get some results with the actual advantages they have: better nutrition throughout their lives, greater access to outside athletic resources and AAU teams, probably a better GPA level overall and thus a smarter team which can run a more complex attack.

LT had always run a passing attack (and I’m not sure which variant, but they seldom had a two-back alignment and never ran much). And for a couple of decades they lost miserably. We used to beat them like a drum, if fact, never lost to them until an overtime game around 2002 or so when we hit bottom in our cycle. Since then we’ve never beaten them as they finally found a combo with the right coach(es), great QBs and receivers, solid OL and a good defense. Now they have a tradition to work from.

To get back to your point about inherent softness, you’ll find the West Texas teams are tougher in this respect, as well as some of the far East Texas teams. Large urban centers produce more talent but seem to have more problems creating elite teams; the most successful seem to be the satellite communities. The kicker is, of course, the program schools, who are consistently good, like Converse Judson, who have size, get the transfers and worry mainly about holding onto the right coach and not being diluted by expansion. (The Westlake referendum a couple of years ago to expand was about diluting the football team.)

One of my favorite stories here is from the mid-40s, when a key player couldn’t start two-a-days until their crops were all harvested. It wasn’t that his father was a hardass; it was basic family survival. The football voluntarily went out to their farm and helped get the harvest in so they get him to practice. No one really thought that much about it at the time. And they won a regional championship, as far as they could go in Class B. The sense of community and general expectation can be powerful allies. Some of the Class A an AA schools can be the meanest and toughest teams you’ll ever see. They may not have the great athletes but damn they’re tough to beat.

And, no, we seldom ever had heat prostration problems; we all kept an eye on each other and it was more than obvious who wasn’t in shape.

by whills on Jul 17, 2008 12:55 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Get lost.

I'll never forget ol' what's-his-name.

by Horntod on Jul 11, 2008 8:24 PM CDT