DKR Stadium Overrated?

other stadiums

Have you been to any other stadium? DKR is very quiet compared to other top places. I have to agree with Pat Forde.

In Mack Brown We Trust!

by Cyrus on Jul 17, 2008 12:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

yeah...but

I think Texas is loud for big games. The other schools that are considered louder are loud every game despite the opponent.

by Longhorns84 on Jul 17, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

But Forde is mostly right. Memorial has historically been dead compared to other places, mostly due to the grayhaired patrons on the west side lower level. Plus we are a spoiled bunch and don’t get riled up as easily. Sure, there are exceptions such as the Houston game in ‘90 or tOSU 2 years ago. But overall, it’s a pretty quiet place.

I will say that it has gotten better in the past 20 years since I was in school.

My solution: Everyone bring cowbells!!!

All of this is just my opinion. If I actually knew anything, I sure as hell wouldn't hang out on message boards.

by Berserker on Jul 17, 2008 12:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Don't get riled up?

People are riled up, the problem is they are turned in the wrong direction screaming at GD.

by Wells on Jul 17, 2008 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs

solution

Replace bevo logo with GD’s mug.

John Chiles - I'm your foster daddy!

by BMG on Jul 18, 2008 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The noise should be better

this year since the north endzone is completed. The crowd noise will have fewer places to escape the stadium. I expect a much louder crowd this year based on acoustics alone.

by Misterserious7 on Jul 17, 2008 1:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I agree

The Arkansas, Missouri, and a&m games will very LOUD!

by Longhorns84 on Jul 17, 2008 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I would not say its overrated.

To me to be overrated you really have to be rated higher than you deserve, and while I would agree that DKR-Mem has little to no “atmosphere”, I can also say that I really don’t think us it as rated highly.

by billb on Jul 17, 2008 1:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

no atmosphere?

really? UT students and exes should be ashamed.

by Longhorns84 on Jul 17, 2008 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

With the normal SE or South wind

the sounds have just blow out the north end of the stadium. Now with the new addition, there should be some serious reverb.

Plus, I think if the students were consolidated in the middle of the west side that would really help. The last game I attended was in the north end zone, with students all around and the Hellraisers down below us; it was a loud group that never let up even though we were losing to the aggies and the sun was hotter than hell. They were exceptional except for the remarks about fat girls, which never stopped.

I’ve also sat on the West side 35 rows up and was nearly blinded by the diamond stick pins. That is a very ahem civilized group that does not yell or interact much. But damn, they look and smell good. Maybe you youngsters need to develop a special cheer for them, to force them out of their old habits.

by whills on Jul 17, 2008 2:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

As a student who wants better seats

I think the solution is to give students who buy season tickets some of the seats on the west side of the stadium and move some alumni sections to the east side. Maybe do it it so that each alumni section is next to at least one student section. That way the students can get the alumni standing and cheering instead of sitting and waiting. Or the alumni would just look at us funny, but at least the students would get better seats. They should do it for basketball games too. It’s absurd that the only reserved seating for students on the lower level is behind the baskets. I almost missed the Kansas game last year even though I waited in line for almost 6 hours.

by buitx on Jul 18, 2008 1:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Alumni

need to stay home if they aren’t going to make some noise.

by Longhorns84 on Jul 18, 2008 3:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

As a recent grad with alumni seats, I can see both sides

When I was a student, I tended to assume that the alumni weren’t really there for the game and that if they weren’t going to make noise, they needed to stay at home. Now that I’ve been an alumn for 3 years, I see things much differently. I’ve had season tickets in the lower west deck all 3 years and lived in Houston for all 3 of those years as well. There were times when I had to get up 4:45 AM to drive to Austin and get a little tailgating in before an 11:00 AM kickoff and times when going to a night game on Saturday meant giving up an entire weekend for those 4 hours in the stadium. I won’t even talk about the gas expense. So anyone suggesting that the alumni don’t really care about the game is just wrong.

My seats are close enough to the temporary bleachers in the south end to have a pretty good idea of what’s going on over there among the students, and it ain’t game-watching. It’s drinking and socializing and staring at girls in ridiculous attire for a football game. And that’s pretty much what I remember from my four years as a student, too. Sure, everyone is paying attention and focused on making noise when Ohio State and the like are in town. But the students are no more attentive to what’s happening on the field than they claim the alumni are for the lesser opponents. As for standing up during the games, believe it or not, the alumni do that too. It may not be for the full game, but for much of it, the alumni most definitely are standing, at least the ones around me. The problem with standing up the whole game on the west side is that yes, you do have some fans in their 60s, 70s, even 80s who simply cannot physically stand up the whole time. Do you punish them for being old? No. You do the polite thing and sit down so they can see, and you ask the people in front of you to sit so you can see. Yes, atmosphere is important. So is not being an asshole to elderly UT grads who still come to every home game.

Probably just as important as the structure of the stadium, most UT fans in the stadium are simply clueless about when to be loud and when to shut the hell up. Our QB should NEVER have to tell his own fans to zip it so his teammates can hear him, and I’ve seen Colt McCoy have to do this on multiple occasions. That’s embarrassing for a school with the football tradition that UT has. That’s probably the one advantage A&M has over Texas. They actually bother to educate their fans about the do’s and don’ts of crowd noise. I’m not saying we need to have retarded yells and obscene gestures to identify said yells, nor do we need milkmen running around telling everyone what to yell and when to yell it during the game. But a little more coordination would be helpful.

by bassale47 on Jul 18, 2008 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs

Alumni

The Alumni need to contribute to the noise, and help Texas win every way they can.

by Longhorns84 on Jul 18, 2008 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What makes you think they don't?

Do you think the students are the only fans in the whole stadium who make any noise? Do you know how many recent UT graduates sit on the west side and still actively particpate as much as they possibly can? It is not “students vs. the grayhairs.” There are tons of grads in their 20s and 30s on the west side too.

by bassale47 on Jul 18, 2008 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

recent grads maybe..but

I’m talking about the older exes who ask people to sit down so they can see.

by Longhorns84 on Jul 18, 2008 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Those older Exes

Pay more for their LF membership & tickets than you do for 2 semesters of tuition & books. And most do it because they love the Horns and can’t stand to miss a game. They are the minority of game attendees, paying a majority of the cost.

Instead of whining and bitching, the student section should set their own goal to ‘make up’ for what their respected elders lack in noise making ability.

P.S. I’ve had season tickets in the North EZ for more than a few years now, and you will not find anyone louder.

So you're saying that now I have to think of some witty Sig that will be applicable across all the SBN sites? Go Texan Horn Stros!

by Shake on Jul 18, 2008 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

TV

Texas games are on TV, so if you can’t stand up and scream…watch it on TV.

by Longhorns84 on Jul 18, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Seriously?

Don’t be ignorant. It doesn’t help your arguement.

So you're saying that now I have to think of some witty Sig that will be applicable across all the SBN sites? Go Texan Horn Stros!

by Shake on Jul 19, 2008 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ignorant

It sounds like your guilty of being a quiet fan. I don’t care how much money people donate…You can’t buy love. I poor person can love the Longhorns just as much as a rich ex. Its all about heart, not money.

by Longhorns84 on Jul 20, 2008 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

'84, a favor.

Please use the preview button, check for grammatical errors and/or glaring typos and logical coherency. I understand that, for whatever reason, you feel the need to post the first reply you type. This is not instant messenger, we do not know you personally, and it is difficult for us to figure out where you’re coming from a not insignificant portion of the time. Things such as grammar, spelling and paragraph structure exist so that you can make yourself understood.

For instance, this statement:

Texas games are on TV, so if you can’t stand up and scream…watch it on TV.

if taken literally, is offensive as all hell. It is ignorant. It says that the grandparents, parents, distinguished faculty, and alumni who helped make UT a great institution and who are no longer physically capable of standing for the game should stay at home. I figured that wasn’t what you meant, because I’d rather not be annoyed by some anonymous guy on the internet. Shake took it literally, called you out, and you responded with something logically incoherent and aimed at pissing Shake off. This comes a few weeks after you and Speedway got into it over a similar matter. This is becoming tiresome.

You’ve got some worthwhile things to say, you follow recruiting like it’s your job and it’s obvious you care a lot about the Horns, which means there’s a place here for you. But do me, and a few other folks around here a favor, and spend enough time that your response actually says what you want to say; in a way that others who don’t know what you’re thinking will understand. That will keep folks from getting annoyed at you, keep from starting these mini-flame wars and help everybody around here get along better.

by learned hand on Jul 20, 2008 3:56 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs

LH, your assumptions regarding how I took the comment & responded are correct.

So you're saying that now I have to think of some witty Sig that will be applicable across all the SBN sites? Go Texan Horn Stros!

by Shake on Jul 20, 2008 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Didn’t mean to put words in your post so to speak, but I figured that was the case.

by learned hand on Jul 21, 2008 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

nice sentiment

but all that love doesn’t pay for tuition, room, and board for the football players. You need money to fund scholarships, and the alumni produce that.

Don’t bag on your elders; they made this place what it is now, by going there long before you were born, and continuing to come back and support it.

by Beergut on Jul 20, 2008 4:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Holy Crap

I agree with BG. I think that brings the grand total to something around…....2.

And to add to your point, every major university has this demographic in the stands. And they should all be respected, at the least.

So you're saying that now I have to think of some witty Sig that will be applicable across all the SBN sites? Go Texan Horn Stros!

by Shake on Jul 20, 2008 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

But a little more coordination would be helpful.

Maybe your cheerleaders need signs that say things besides ‘texas’ and ‘fight’?

Do they use the Adzillatron scoreboard to tell your fans when to make noise? Maybe they need to.

by Beergut on Jul 20, 2008 4:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nice

iIdea! Only problem is we will need around 100 ambulance calls per game to escort the old folk with sun strokes on the east side :}.

More than just 10 wins?

by Ultra Horn on Jul 18, 2008 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree with Forde

And, have serious issues with our fanbase at times. It comes with the territory, though. Having recently won a national championship at one of the largest states and universities in the US, the fanbase grows, and suddenly DKR is a place to be seen. It feels like your at a country club with the clientele and calm demeanor of the “fans”. I imagine that USC has similar problems.

Have you guys looked into what it costs to get season tickets these days? You have to be rich or “grandfathered in” to afford the good seats, both of which are generally indicators that you don’t intend to scream at the top of your lungs. I sat in the alumni upper deck last year and felt like a fish out of water standing and yelling all game. In fact, I got a handful of dirty looks. As far as I’m concerned, if you want to call yourself a fan, you need to do your part by making noise in the stadium, otherwise you’re just taking up space…

by SuperHorn on Jul 17, 2008 3:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Some of those that are taking up space

are also the ones who are paying the big bucks to allow Texas to have such a great Athletic Department.

by Wells on Jul 17, 2008 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly Wells,

That always gets mentioned, eventually. Anybody want to bet, that if you graphed ‘decibel level of yelling’ against ‘disposable income’, you’d get a straight line with a slope of -1? For the z-axis, you could throw in ‘alcohol consumption’, but the resultant would still be predictable.

So, since we keep our most successful (zero-volume) alums in their air conditioned glass cages under the overhang, they aren’t taking up any of the high dB spaces, right? As SuperHorn suggested above, it’s those damned moderately successful alums you have to work on.

Good luck with that.

I’m just sayin’!

by horndude on Jul 17, 2008 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And with that formula, Horndude may've just explained the SEC...

by learned hand on Jul 17, 2008 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's a cop out...

It’s the same story when someone (me) complains about ads in the stadium, or barely having a student section at huge basketball games. If we’re going to sell this much of our program to the highest bidder, the least we could do is ask them politely not to gripe at the person in front of them for cheering “too loudly”. Maybe even try to play the ads when the crowd is quite anyway, instead of while we’re trying to start Texas Fight during the coin toss or when the band is in the middle of a song. We all want to make money, but there’s a right way and a wrong way to do it. Completely ignoring your fans and treating them like they’re at home watching the game on TV counts as the wrong way in my book.

Every non-student season ticket holder that I’m aware of has to shell out some monstrous donation to the “Foundation” or whatever, plus pay full price for all their tickets. It doesn’t say you have to be quiet in the agreement. I think that the AD should look into implying that every fan has a right to stand up and cheer the team, and if you can’t see, make a bigger donation next year or stand the hell up. A simple Godzillatron package would do the trick, or it’s at least worth a try.

by Horn Brain on Jul 18, 2008 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Perhaps, but Well's point is no less valid

Texas extracted about $12 million out of its premium and club seats last year, before we even get into the $380ish season tickets+foundation club donation of at least $150 for the regular alumni. Such rent extraction has had us as the most profitable team in the country every year Forbes has tracked the statistic.

Deloss Dodds and co are not going to screw with what works, because they have so little control over the non-ticket/fee rent (donations are often much larger than $150). The problem with a proposal you make comes from the donation money, they can be assured of selling the not unreasonably priced tickets, which may rise or fall from a particular individual based on damn near anything. If the powers that be try to increase crowd participation, that might increase donations, but it might also annoy enough of more stoic alumni to crop back, putting Dodds’s ass in a sling. It’s not easy to predict how people will donate their money, and UT doesn’t have all the answers, but keeping “the library” quiet has worked well so far. If/when it stops working, then perhaps they will try something new.

Also, should anybody harbor SEC tendencies around here, I retract my earlier snark after digging around the financials, every team not in Mississippi cashes in (thought not nearly as well as we do). Still can’t explain LSU fans…

by learned hand on Jul 18, 2008 4:52 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

You don't get tickets with a $150 donation, to my knowledge

I remember hearing a number at least an order of magnitude higher whenever I’ve heard about season ticket purchasers. Perhaps that’s the start-up donation, though, and you can hold on to your tickets with such a pittance once you’ve been allocated them, having forked over your pound of flesh.

That aside, you seriously don’t think it would be worth a shot to put in a simple Godzillatron package from Mack or a few players asking fans to let the noisemakers have the right of way to help the team? If we did it for one year and gaged the fan response vs. the complaints by ancient legacy ticket holders, then a decision could be made whether it was worth it to keep going forward. One year of rowdiness (wow, spell check actually accepted that. Wonder why it still hasn’t caught up with “ok”.) isn’t going to cut donations off from fans that have bought for 30 years, plus, if there are as many 20-30 something grads as you say, you have to consider that some people may actually like the change and be inspired to dig deeper come July. We’re making enough that we’re pretty much safe from 1-year fluctuations in donation average. I’m just saying it’s worth a shot and it can’t hurt to just try to make DKR a better home-field advantage. If anything, the lack of trying by the powers that be is what annoys the students more than anything. Griping about old people is just the way it gets manifested the most.

by Horn Brain on Jul 18, 2008 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't disagree with your proposal per se,

But the school that is currently making the most money is the least likely to perform any radical changes. True, as you say, a Godzillatron package might up the total dollar amount of donations, but what if it didn’t? Right now, Dodds gets to look like a fiscal genius by just showing up, doing the same thing they’ve always done before and letting the money roll in. Compare that to the situation where he tries something revolutionary and it backfires, and the donations drop. Then the same annoyed donors who dropped their donations will call for his head. And when you’re talking these kinds of numbers, they might get it without a rapid turnaround.

I understand where you’re coming from, but as far as the powers that be not willing to give it a shot, they just don’t have the incentive. As a fan, who doesn’t have an extremely lucrative job to jeopardize and no well connected alumni to piss off, I’m all for it. Were I in the shoes of Dodds and David McWilliams, the answer would probably be different.

Also, yes, the $150 dollar amount is the minimum amount necessary to get your name on the list (and presumably keep it there). I understand that’s a zero or two short of reality, depending on what kind of seats you’re after, but that’s the “official number”.

by learned hand on Jul 18, 2008 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Radical?

Encouraging fan participation on your giant $8 million pinball machine is radical/revolutionary? I guess the fanbase is in a worse position than I thought. I would have thought radical would be suddenly introducing super loud TV commercials with some golf dude talking about digital phone or Bengal Coffee or whatever. When I pay for an XM radio subscription, I don’t want to listen to commercials. When I shell for movie tickets, I don’t expect an intermission advertising retirement planning. When I fork over 7 times the face value of a set of season tickets, I definitely will be pissed if I have to watch completely football-free commercials for digital cable and internet. Suddenly, though, it’s radical to ask people to yell at a football game and the norm is to ask them to sit quietly and watch some advertisements.

I remember looking up the budget/revenue statement for UT not too long ago and noticing that our net profit exceeds our entire revenue from advertising by about a million dollars. Obviously you can’t cut your profits from 7 to 1 million, but maybe you could trim the fat by maybe using the whole Godzillatron for football instead of Coke and just installing some damn signs around it like anyone with a brain can see is more efficient. That, to me, appears to be the AD just not trying.

Sorry for ranting, but my point is: It’s not radical to ask the fans to cheer one season and see how they respond.

by Horn Brain on Jul 18, 2008 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't really take it as a rant, or disagree with your premise

but given the history of our fans, what you’re proposing is somewhat radical or at least sufficiently outside of the norm to cause folks to grumble at change.

As for the Ads, it’s the principal of the thing moreso than the actual ad that bothers me, but I suspect that there’s a premium for the Ad on the Godzillatron rather than on a permanent sign beside it. Ad companies love big moving pictures.

As for the AD not trying, as I say, when you’re number one adversity to change can almost be considered a virtue. When you’re about 71 (that’s Dodds age right?), and in the sunset of a pretty damn fine career and have built the most profitable program in the country, you may be down right hostile to change. Further, when you’re an older, wealthy donor who’s used to nice, placid UT football games and doling out big dollars every year, you’re also quite possibly hostile to change. That’s a vicious combination. As younger, less established individuals, without the all important donation record, it’s a much more difficult matter of achieving change than making the valid point “wouldn’t it make more sense if we made noise?”

by learned hand on Jul 18, 2008 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I didn't really like the Godzillatron

too busy and too much competition for the game. That is, at times I found myself watching it instead of the game. But I was in the north end zone, so it was staring right at me.

And I’m anti-commercial so all those ads were more non-game bullsh*t imho.

My basic premise is that if you put a good team on the field, that should be what the game is about. Like a singer, the more you cover the voice up with production values and orchestration, the less I’m likely to think the singer is worth a damn.

Great voices demand to be heard, great teams demand to be seen.
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by whills on Jul 18, 2008 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

Agreed

I completely agree with you. If I’d thought they were going to use the GZTron the way they do now, I’d never have even wanted it, bragging rights or no. It is everything that you don’t want football to be about in its current form. Hopefully they lighten up on the commercials and start using the whole screen for football some day, but I’m not holding my breath.

by Horn Brain on Jul 19, 2008 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Calling Mothra, calling Roc, calling Kong....nt

by whills on Jul 19, 2008 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Quick synopsis

In order to get priority seating by the Longhorn Foundation, the minimum donation amount is $150. Tickets are then doled out by exsisting season ticket holders first and then moves/new tickets. In order to remain a season ticket holder you must match your donation from last year. This means if you gave $150 each year you are still obligated to give that $150, however if you had season tickets prior to the Longhorn Foundation and you were giving zero, you are not obligated to give anything. New tickets and the chance to move up (as well as OU/Bowl/away game) tickets are issued based on annual donation amount and then total donation amount lifetime.

For example I give more than the $150 donation and must continue to do so to maintain my seats (which are pretty crappy), but I have a friend who sits on the first row, he has never paid a dime to Longhornfoundatio and is “grandfathered in” so he continues to pay zero. I can get OU tickets however, but he cannot. Therotically, I can move to better seats and he cannot.

My experince is most season ticket holders give money to longhorn foundation, most give more than the $150 minimum and the cutoff for OU tickets is $1000 annually, meaning that at least up to the allotment for the OU game (30,000; I honestly don’t know) gives that amount.

by billb on Jul 18, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I can't wait till I'm an Alum.

This is what Rick Barnes told us when we were waiting outside the gates 9 hours before the Texas/Kansas game last year. He said something to the extent of…”It’s great that ya’ll come this early and are so loud during the game, but when ya’ll graduate and come as alums, I want ya’ll to stand all game and be just as loud as ya’ll are now, and then maybe all the older Alums will follow in your ways.” Even the coaches realize how bad our Alumni are at games. It takes a HUGE moment for them to get their asses out of their seats.

If any of you have been to a Texas basketball game, you have probably seen me. I’m the obnoxious student yelling at every bad call and giving the eye to every “Alumni” who ISN’T WEARING ORANGE!!!!!!! Is it that hard to pack an orange shirt into your car that way when you get off of work and come straight to the game you can put it on?

Also. Black, Blue, Green, Pink, and Purple are NOT Texas colors. Wearing a shirt of one of those colors with the word “Texas” on it is not proper attire! This is mostly little sorority girls tho, who know absolutely nothing about B-ball, but they wanna be on TV or something. But I’ve seen Alum with these shirts and been like “WTF”.

Basically, I know that Alum pay for everything, but we spend more than 5 times the amount that an alum spent on tuition 20 years ago. So we are paying too. And If both people are paying, and one is louder than the other, then the louder person should get better seats IMO.

by texasfan05 on Jul 18, 2008 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

P.S.

VY & Aaron Ross did not wear orange when they attended a home basketball game after joining the NFL. I guess they couldn’t afford it.

So you're saying that now I have to think of some witty Sig that will be applicable across all the SBN sites? Go Texan Horn Stros!

by Shake on Jul 18, 2008 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And I have already shown my displeasure

in former athletes who don’t wear orange to games.

Roy and his green hat. grrrr

by texasfan05 on Jul 18, 2008 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

I just like throwing dirty things into the fan.

So you're saying that now I have to think of some witty Sig that will be applicable across all the SBN sites? Go Texan Horn Stros!

by Shake on Jul 18, 2008 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

its the good luck clover hat!

by Longhorns84 on Jul 18, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Try $750/seat

for each seat in the north end zone. My season tix were another $380 I believe and OU tix were another hundge.

I believe you’re pretty much expected to continue to at least fork over the same amount yearly. This is my first year as a donor though, so I’ll update you guys next year.

John Chiles - I'm your foster daddy!

by BMG on Jul 18, 2008 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

true, but

I think UT athletics will be fine without them!

by Longhorns84 on Jul 18, 2008 3:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, UT athletics would continue to be dominant without money

Maybe you don’t understand this because you’re still in college, but money makes the world go ‘round. You don’t have a stadium to sit in or a team to watch without it. UT athletics would not be “fine” without the millions upon millions of dollars poured into it by the people you apparently think shouldn’t even be allowed to attend games.

Like I said in my other post, I was recently a student and felt the same way about the situation. Things look a little different now that I’m not getting tickets practically for free.

by bassale47 on Jul 18, 2008 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs

No

I think Texas makes the money from merchandise sales, TV, sponsors, etc.

by Longhorns84 on Jul 18, 2008 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

They do, but they also make 12 million off the premium seats alone,

in addition to the beneficial political cachet we get from keeping the fat cats happy, plus the beneficial business deals we get from having a load of corporate donors/ticket buyers.

As to sponsors, you’ve just answered a big part of your complaint. You’ve got to realize that a lot of those folks in the premium seats didn’t even go to Texas, they’re execs/lawyers/other who have corporate tickets because their corporation A) buys the tickets and B) donates large amounts of money and/or work product. Some of those folks don’t yell, because they don’t care about Texas or even football. They’re just killing an afternoon (I know a Vandy Alum who still isn’t entirely clear about the rules of football and makes most games). Sponsors, especially corporate ones don’t just donate out of the kindness of their hearts, they usually want something in return. Tickets, relatively speaking, are one of the cheapest things the school can give.

by learned hand on Jul 18, 2008 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

attendance

I think the exes should attend, but they need to participate a little more.

by Longhorns84 on Jul 18, 2008 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I've played.....

......audience to a number of “discussions” between disgruntled alums and DeLoss Dodds. I would pay money to watch you try to make that case with DeLoss.

The only meaningful change I would make would be to close the bar at the Texas Exes from 5 minutes prior to the start of the 2nd half to midway in the 4th quarter. Far too many of our lower west-side crowd are sloshing down the scotch, rather than attending the 3rd quarter. Pretty sad.

--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---

by HornChamps on Jul 19, 2008 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What's the official "rating" for DKR?

Because until I see that, I can’t say if it’s over/under-rated.

So you're saying that now I have to think of some witty Sig that will be applicable across all the SBN sites? Go Texan Horn Stros!

by Shake on Jul 17, 2008 8:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I've only heard that we were ranked...

... something like 10th (?) toughest place to play on NCAA ‘09. Tell that to Kansas State.

by Horn Brain on Jul 18, 2008 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

12th

I think two years ago DKR was in the top 5. DKR has dropped every year since 05’.

by Longhorns84 on Jul 18, 2008 3:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Probably due to the team

and not the fans.

John Chiles - I'm your foster daddy!

by BMG on Jul 18, 2008 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry HB

But I really don’t consider an EA Games ranking to be anything official. Ever.

My point is that until someone puts up some verified objective numbers, this entire argument is completely subjective.

So you're saying that now I have to think of some witty Sig that will be applicable across all the SBN sites? Go Texan Horn Stros!

by Shake on Jul 18, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hey, I just said...

... that’s all I’ve heard, then I called BS on it with reference to the KSU loss. Only “ranking” I’ve ever heard in that regard. Sporting news gave OU best home field advantage, Nebraska best fans, and A&M (?) best stadium in the Big XII in their season preview, but like the EA rankings, that’s just someone’s opinion.

by Horn Brain on Jul 18, 2008 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Official

I don’t think there is an official ranking of stadiums!

by Longhorns84 on Jul 20, 2008 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's my exact point

Your title of the article is “DKR Stadium Overrated?“

I am simply saying that until we know what the ‘rating’ actually is, then it is virtually impossible to say if it is Over or Under-rated.

So you're saying that now I have to think of some witty Sig that will be applicable across all the SBN sites? Go Texan Horn Stros!

by Shake on Jul 20, 2008 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

DKR

wasn’t even in the top 25 in the ‘05 game.

by limnonectes on Jul 20, 2008 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

ou's stadium

is 8th I think. I watched a few ou games on TV, and I wasn’t impressed with the noise. I think the stadium rankings usually go with the team ranking.

by Longhorns84 on Jul 18, 2008 3:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

rankings

I’m pretty sure that they also factor in your record at home in addition to the crowd and size, which would explain why the best teams seem to have the highest ranked stadiums, and why we’re up there at #10. Cause you know we’re not the 10th loudest stadium in the country.

by jw4425 on Jul 18, 2008 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

12th

by Longhorns84 on Jul 18, 2008 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

OU's stadium

OU is ranked that highly because they are 54-2 at home under Stoops and I’m pretty sure neither of those losses was a beat down at the hands of K-State. If we had that kind of record, we’d be ranked higher, but we’ve lost 3 times the last two years and had to go down to the wire with Arkansas St. and a crappy Nebraska team.

by LonghornSean on Jul 18, 2008 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

But we've only lost six (6) home games in 10 years.

And rank right with OU in that category. Boise State is the only with with a higher percentage than OU and Texas. And a loss to OSU hurts OU as much as a loss for us to KSU.

Close only counts in hand grenades and big furry pelts that growl like wolverines.

by whills on Jul 18, 2008 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

the last 3 years

Texas was in the top 5 less than 3 years ago. Ea Sports obviously bases their rankings on how good they think the team is going to be.

by Longhorns84 on Jul 20, 2008 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

RED RAIDERS

1!!!
GUNS UP!!!!

More than just 10 wins?

by Ultra Horn on Jul 18, 2008 4:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

DKR

While i love the traditions that come with attending a game a DKR, the place could be a lot more exciting if they incorporated a more contemporary style. Think Wisconsin playing “Jump Around” think before the 4th quarter, or penn state’s “Zombie Nation”.

by rchorns on Jul 19, 2008 5:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

I cannot stress this enough. I DO NOT want to copy a tradition that has been started by someone else.

When they play Jump around at the B-ball games, I stand and say “were not Wisconsin” and usually someone around me says “hell yeah, play something original”.

I think we should stay just the way we are, and if we do incorporate something nnew, it needs to be original.

We’re Texas, We are leaders, not followers.

by texasfan05 on Jul 20, 2008 3:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

I was using those as examples

by rchorns on Jul 20, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

ok cool

by texasfan05 on Jul 20, 2008 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Organic expression.

Agree with you, 05; something should evolve naturally that suits us. With the push here, with the new aural dynamics of the stadium, with what I perceive as greater and greater student involvement the last several years, I’m confident something will occur.

Has anyone considered giving a talk at orientation about this matter. I know they get a certain amount of rah-rah, there’s even a retreat in the hill country for some, and I don’t want to slip over the edge to the aggie fish camp, but something from a group of burnt orange fans themselves. There’s already some expectation but not necessarily instruction.

Football is usually the first thing incoming freshmen attend. And with ooc games the way they are, they seldom get a great game for several weeks, so there’s no ideal situation that translates the whole experience. Sure they can participate but will they unleash their inner fanatic? You only need to reach the 25-30% who will be such rabid leaders and make them feel comfortable in the role from the gitgo.

Prehaps this is too much, but it is a way of putting your money where your mouth is. I give hour-long narrative presentations, usually history; motivating people is about inspiration and inclusion. Start early and create the type of rabid Horns fans that will make you proud. They already belong to something for which they should be proud, even as greenhorn frosh; this just gives them permission to join right in and be a part of the community.

Of course, if they sit by you, ‘05, no other instruction should be necessary.

by whills on Jul 20, 2008 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's what we need

Something natural, but yet organized well. I think we need a cheer when we kick off. Instead of jusr screaming “oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH!!!” We could do something like (Team is 5 seconds away from kicking off) “TEXAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAS” ( KICKER KICKS IT) “FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!”

Kinda like what alot of schools already do, but this fits us well.

honestly, if I could get even half the student section to do this then it would become a tradition really fast.

by texasfan05 on Jul 20, 2008 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

They tried to do that last year...

... with gooooo Texas on the kickoff. I did it all year and tried to get people around me to join in, explained it several times, but I never heard anyone else do it. The cheerleaders even came up into the stands to explain it to everyone before ASU and no one did it. Nothing will ever change.

by Horn Brain on Jul 20, 2008 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, reprogram those SOBs

and make ‘em crash into the moon if they won’t do it.

by whills on Jul 20, 2008 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

Yeah I remember them telling us to do that

And I immediately thought, “how dumb are these people.”

Goooooo Texas??

Sounds like a JR high chant

“Texas Fight!!!!!!! I think many many many more students would be up for that.

by texasfan05 on Jul 20, 2008 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

since we do it already

Goooo Texas just sounds lame and uninspired

by texasfan05 on Jul 20, 2008 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

as a matter of fact....

I think I’m going to start a Facebook group for that yell at kickoffs… maybe that will at least get it into peoples minds….

by texasfan05 on Jul 20, 2008 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm sure...

... someone will think of your chant the same way you think of the other chant. Even if people think it’s awesome, it’ll take a miracle to get anyone to do it the first time.

But since I’m as crazy as you are, I’ll try and start whatever I hear about all season with you. May I suggest building up a screaming OOOOOOOOO like we do already and then yelling “TEXAS! FIGHT!” on the kick? We need some kind of oomph as the ball is kicked. Something to build to before exploding with TEXAS! I’ll do it if you’ll do it. With me?

by Horn Brain on Jul 20, 2008 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah man

But I was thinking that an elongated Texaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaas. would be there instead of the oooooooooooooooo. And then yell fight on the kick. We should think of some ideas for this over the next couple of weeks and then take a poll on what BON’ers would want to say at kick-off.

As long as we say SOMETHING, lol

by texasfan05 on Jul 20, 2008 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I guess I got that...

... but the problem is no one will ever know when to say Tex-. And so it’ll just sound like the crowd saying ASS! really slowly. Which could be cool, but not he kind of cool we want.

by Horn Brain on Jul 20, 2008 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

hahaha

tru. But I think it will be ok.

What else could we say?

by texasfan05 on Jul 20, 2008 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

but i dont think it would sound like ass, it would sound like "us"

by texasfan05 on Jul 20, 2008 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ass makes a better point. .nt whills

by Horn Brain on Jul 20, 2008 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That depends

on how well you coordinate with the pom squad HB. And whether your girlfriend notices…

by learned hand on Jul 21, 2008 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hey, what's wrong with the herd mentality.

I always thought mooos and bellowing were great. I’ve seen that spontaneously erupt in other places, not DKR, when Texas people were crammed in together.

You could go from mellow, to restless to full-out stampede.

Of course, the rural ethic isn’t what it used to be and the aggies would be incredibly jealous, but let them baaaaaaaa all they want.

by whills on Jul 20, 2008 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

KORN

Texas should play BLIND when the team takes the field.

by Longhorns84 on Jul 20, 2008 1:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Stadium

I am a first year seat owner and I got in the North End Seat Back Section. $800 per seat minimum donation and $400 per seat. I donated (+) to insure ou tickets. I have for the last two years purchased a friends season tickets in the upper deck (West). The upper deck was terrible for noise. NONE! My younger son and I basically MADE them make whatever noise they did. We would turn and face them and shout, “LET’S GO PEOPLE!” And then maybe some of them would get up and get loud.

I expect to be in a similar situation in the North End, but I know what to do. Many UT fans are complacent, many are there to watch us. Put those fans in a stadium with a player effort like the a&m game ‘06 and you have the result we had then. Worst game ever, that I was at anyway.

by Tailgate Captain on Jul 20, 2008 10:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs