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Find The Surprise: Big 12 Football 2008

The Big 12 Media Week has been a bit... boring. Even more so than usual, there's an enormous amount of consensus in the Big 12 this year.

This story from the Tulsa World seems to capture perfectly all the conventional wisdom of Big 12 football heading into 2008. Bill Haisten's Big 12 rankings include at the top:

1, Oklahoma: Sam Bradford, Auston English lead the Sooners’ drive toward a third consecutive Big 12 crown.

2, Missouri: Chase Daniel quarterbacks an offense that last season averaged 40 points, 490 yards per game.

3, Texas: Longhorns are loaded with talent, but won’t contend unless Colt McCoy cuts down on interceptions.

4, Texas Tech: With Harrell throwing to Crabtree, the Red Raiders have the nation’s most dynamic passing duo.

5, Kansas: In his first year as the starting quarterback, Todd Reesing led Jayhawks to a 12-win dream season.

You've seen the above at least a hundred times this summer already.

So my question is: where is the conventional wisdom off the mark? Nothing in college football is neat and tidy. Conventional wisdom missed the Kansas breakthrough last season, overrated the Longhorns, and undervalued Missouri's offense.

Where are we missing the boat this year?

1) Which bit of conventional wisdom about Texas strikes you as misplaced?

2) And for the Big 12?

I'll publish some of my favorite answers on the front page.

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oversimplification

Colt doesn’t throw the football in a vacuum. Will the O line give him more time to throw? Will we find a threat at RB? On the other side of the ball, will the youngsters impress? That seems to be the biggest problem with the statement about Texas—that last year’s season was a product of Colt’s interceptions alone.

by crocodile235 on Jul 23, 2008 2:53 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Missing the mark

On Colt, yes he threw a lot of interceptions, but Texas would have still contended if not for the defense. Defense should improve this year. I also don’t see a lot of people note how close Texas and OU were last year. Jamal does not fumble and I frimly believe Texas wins that game, all other things being equal they end up 6-2 and OU ends up 5-3. Texas plays Missouri for big 12. As I recall OU beat Missouri pretty handily and Missouri beat KU by 10 in Lawerence.

by billb on Jul 23, 2008 3:10 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Agree

with people overlooking the closeness of OU defeat. Charles’ fumble and one OU breakaway TD turned the game, and the season, around . . . Actually, Missouri beat Kansas by 8 and it was in Kansas City.

by edsp on Jul 23, 2008 3:42 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Last year

People were right that we did have a lot of talent. Too bad Mack didn’t play our best talents.

This year the conventional wisdom is that neither Vondrell or Fozzy can fill Charles” shoes. Texas fans disagree.

Conventional wisdom thinks Tech will challenge OU for the South title. People in Texas know that Tech will Choke to some inferior team and end up 9-3. like always.

Conventional wisdom thinks that Texas is too young and inexperienced for a Championship run in ‘08. Me? I think conventional wisdom was done away with last year. Texas Longhorns, National Champs ‘08, ‘09, ‘10, ‘11, ...........

Hook’em. DADGUM Hook’em!

by texasfan05 on Jul 23, 2008 3:25 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

I'm choking on the red and blue kool-aid

Although it seems that some of the KU love has attenuated since last year, I still think that they’re getting too much credit for their performance last year. I know that Reesing is a great quarterback and I appreciate the Jayhawks’ success last year (my wife is a Jayhawk), but I can’t see Lawrence as more than a basketball town (and football success is probably tough when everyone’s focused on the basketball program – which likely hasn’t changed with the recent championship) and I really do think that last year was an aberration. Maybe KU will be able to maintain some momentum from last season, but I suspect that this season will be as successful as some of Mangino’s diets (okay… maybe not that bad). If KU does well this year, then I’ll concede that there’s a pattern of success and may sidle up to the KU Kool-aid. Until then, I anticipate a typically mediocre season for the Jayhawks.

As for the Longhorns, I maintain ignorant (ignorant because I haven’t gone through the rigor of identifying supporting data for this – it’s just a feeling I have) optimism that Colt was experiencing a second-year lull and should settle into his role a bit more this year.

by DMCHorn on Jul 23, 2008 3:37 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Why is everyone

......so accepting of this young, inexperienced defensive backfield? We’re going to start 2 freshman safeties and 3 inexperienced DBs. Even Thorpe winner M.Huff was toasted his freshman season. I’m not sure if he’s caught Wes Welker yet…........

These young guys have a ton of initial talent and abilities, but the same can be said of the Gators’ young D-backfield last season. They took 4 losses in a run-oriented SEC. We’re playing in the pass-happy Big-XII with a number of the country’s finest QBs.

--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---

by HornChamps on Jul 23, 2008 5:12 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

I wouldn't call either of our staring CB's inexperienced

But your point is well taken. I think the hope is that, with a healthy Orakpo and a LB corp. of Muck, Norton, Kindle and Robinson getting more playing time, the secondary won’t be forced to shoulder as much as they have the last 2 years and won’t have to cover guys for 5+ seconds on every pass.

Personally I won’t believe we can put pressure on the QB of a quality team until I see it. We’re 10 years and 5 DC’s in.

by Horncasting on Jul 23, 2008 5:30 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Time to sell

These 4 bandwagons now carry too many people and threaten to topple.

Kansas – A great feel good story but the offense melted down against Mizzou in Kansas City. The offense lacks the guns for another 12 win season.

Texas Tech – A cupcake OOC schedule will push the hype beyond all proportions. Watch the fourth quarter of last year’s OU-Tech game. See the Red Raiders find themselves in a very awkward position: holding a fourth quarter lead. Tech folds against Texas, OU, and a North division opponent assuming Harrell does not get hurt. Big, big assumption.

Mizzou – Most people have already forgotten the dead brain coaching effort against Illinois. Zook will not get Zook-ed again. Look for CU or K-State to knock off Mizzou. Plus the Tigers have the Horns in Austin. Pull out any preseason write up from the Brad Smith era. Yup, Mizzou reverts to type.

OU – Mark it down. The Sooners will loose to K-State on Oct. 25. Sam Bradford appears disoriented by the black hole of sanity known as Manhattan. Need proof of OU’s mortality? Watch the loss in Lubbock to Texas Tech.

These bandwagons need people.
CU will win the North Division. Nebraska lacks the offensive talent. K-State remains inconsistent.
Texas will win the South Division. The improved defense will knock OU in the mouth on the first defensive series. The Sooners will never recover because they have gotten progressively softer during the Bob Stoops era (see TCU loss). The Texas-Tech will game will be close but but the Red Raiders cannot stop a team that can rip off 3 yards a carry. Harrell still makes terrible decisions (see losses to Mizzou and CU).

by milevin on Jul 23, 2008 5:43 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Media schmedia

Darkhorse, out of nowhere team- Colorado. They are always tough at home, where they play Texas this year, they don’t play Oklahoma, Cody Hawkins is experienced, and Darrell Scott will be the real deal by October. The whole team is much farther up the learning curve than last year.

Runner up darkhorse- Oklahoma State. If they weren’t in the Big 12 South and have to play Texas and Oklahoma

Kansas returns to at least the earth’s atmosphere with 2 conference losses, but don’t underestimate Mangino.

by burnt in ny on Jul 24, 2008 6:27 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

I'm with you...

I think that Colorado is the suprise from the North this year,. No one is really talking about them but they are much improved. Cody Hawkins is solid, and D. Scott could by “a man” halfway thru the season.

The South as usual will hinge upon the Texas- OU once again. Tech will lose at least 3 games this year, OU, Texas, and @ Kansas. My gut says A&M will beat them in College Station this year, but I have not really convinced myself of that.

by LonghorninRaiderland on Jul 24, 2008 8:31 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Colorado needs one more year before they are ready

They have a young but good o-line and their schedule this year is too tough. Next year, despite having to go to WVU and Texas, their schedule is much better for a big 12 north championship in 2009.

by Wells on Jul 24, 2008 2:19 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Colt smokes Tortilla Tech

Colt’s superbowl is Tech – he always steps up his game against Tech

by burntup on Jul 24, 2008 12:14 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Texas upsets Mizzou

I don’t want to get too cock y, but I think I have my head on straight when I say that a healthy Orakpo will give Chase Daniels a run for his money. Without Mizzou’s departing star center and clear leader of their O-line, Adam Spieker, I think Daniels will be having more trouble than he’s used to, giving up an int. or two and receiving some weighty hits. The strong side returns two one-year vets and the weak side is good, although I’m not sure if Monte Wyrick and Ryan Madison are still splitting time at left guard. All this to say, their line better be gelling by October 18th. I’m calling it now. Hook ‘em!
-Evan

Representing the Longhorn greatness in the cold Northeast.

by DKR-is-home on Jul 25, 2008 10:18 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

re: Texas upsets Mizzou

..does that just sound weird to anyone else besides me..UPSET?..i know we might be underdogs, but it must have been a while since that word is used for more than one team..especially Mizzou

by vy til i die on Jul 25, 2008 11:41 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

What does "contend" actually mean???

As far as I could tell, Texas “contended” last year, even with the interceptions. Did I get that wrong? We were, after all, second in the south. That fits my definition of “contending”. Maybe this guy means ‘Texas won’t WIN unless . . .’

It always bugs me when the media gurus “predict” exactly what happened last year.

by LSMFT on Jul 25, 2008 11:58 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Misconceptions

1. Colt’s INT total isn’t the only thing that is important. Try having someone other than a DB lead the team in tackles. Try being in the top half of pass defenses in the country. Try having an offense that doesn’t depend on passing on 3rd and short, instead of moving the chains with a punishing RB. Try having a RB without fumbling issues. If Colt throws his 18 picks and we do these things last year we would have beaten OU and played for the Big 12 title.
2. Missouri, not OU, is the best team in the conference. Daniel and Maclin will go nuts again, and the defense steadily improved throughout the season. Missouri will be motivated for three reasons (1) they had a decent shot to win the Big 12 title last year save for an untimely fumble in the 4th quarter just as they were taking momentum back (2) they got stiffed in the BCS and demolished Arkansas (3) they have a motivated leader at QB. On the other hand, OU has a solid, solid offense but the defense is shaky. They break in a new secondary and have to replace Chris Lofton. Even having two standouts on the DL will not be enough, and I expect them to have trouble against teams that can protect the QB and exploit coverage downfield. OU’s defense slides slightly, but enough for them to drop a game in conference to K-State or OSU as well as the conference title game.

John Chiles - I'm your foster daddy!

by BMG on Jul 25, 2008 3:22 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Mizzou - OU

I think it’s a little early to make this claim, especially after OU beat them twice last year. OU should only be better on offense, especially if Murray can stay healthy, and everything I’ve heard about their secondary makes me doubt it’ll need much breaking in. IMO, the two teams haven’t changed nearly enough from last year to declare Mizzou the better team. If anything, OU might have separated itself a little more since the offense should be better (which is scary).

by jw4425 on Jul 25, 2008 3:52 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs


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