Fisher embarrasses Vince Young!

by Cyrus on Jul 8, 2008 1:05 AM CDT

Fisher was giving a speech to NFL rookies, and after warning them about off the field issues, he makes an example out of Vince.

One of Fisher's prime examples of unwanted embarrassment involved his most famous player — quarterback Vince Young. He never mentioned Young by name. He simply showed slides that appeared on two giant screens flanking the stage. The first showed Young posing with fellow participants in a panel discussion during last year's rookie symposium.

"You recognize the second guy from the left?" Fisher said. "He was here last year, and you know what he talked about? He talked about off-the-field (behavior) ... how you guys have got to be really careful because ... one little cell phone camera that sends out (photos or video from) here and it ends up here. And guess what? You're embarrassed."

WOW! Note that this was in front of ALL rookies, not just Titans rookies. What the hell was he thinking doing that? What does embarrassing his own QB in front of whole NFL achieves?

Here is a link to the article: titansonline

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I hope he told Vince

first, before he showed this. But Vince is a grown ass man, and can swallow his pride when he has too. I don’t think it’s that big of deal.

But…... F@CK YOU FISHER!

that’s how I feel.

by texasfan05 on Jul 8, 2008 1:51 AM CDT 0 recs

agree

It’s not that big of a deal for sure. But yeah, FY Fisher. God, I so want VY to kick ass this year and shut everybody up.

In Mack Brown We Trust!

by Cyrus on Jul 8, 2008 3:17 AM CDT up 0 recs

He used the whole team. You're sensationalizing this.

Fisher used his whole team, not just Vince. And the point of the conversation was not VY’s behavior – it was the point that there is a vast off-field, that only the home is secure for players. Any place where there are cell phones in unknown hands, there can be a threat. This is the price of celebrity with a salacious press as well as the net.

Fisher also used Haynesworth’s kick in the head to the Dallas player, Travis Henry’s fathering and other actual events to press home the vulnerabilities of rookies. Vince’s behavior – without a shirt and drinkin’ and partyin’ – was the least of the examples, but a good one for the cell phone angle. Everywhere has eyes. Fisher touched on getting good financial advice and using a buffer from overtly pressing family (becoming the chief problem solver) so the player can maintain some control over their lives.

Did you really watch the whole thing? This was a service for the NFL, addressing all NFL rookies.

The NFL brand took a big hit with Vick, with Cincinnati and the like, with continued and persistent problems across the board. This seemed to be a proactive prescription and they probably need more, not less. They’re never going to stop everything, but with some diligence and player education, they can lower the percentage with just the shared knowledge. This is an area where both the Players Union and the NFL can join hands to improve both sides of the ledger.

by whills on Jul 8, 2008 2:45 AM CDT 0 recs

back to the point

According to the article I linked, Fisher mentions 4 other incidents, but all about unnamed players. He may have mentioned Travis Henry or Haynesworth as you say, but that article doesn’t mention it.

Read this quote again, and tell me if this is the best way to talk about your QB, whatever the message may be. Even if you want to show the fucking photos, show them and say “hey, never go to a pool party, and never drink in public”. Why bring up the last year rookie symposium?! here is the comments again:

“You recognize the second guy from the left?” Fisher said. “He was here last year, and you know what he talked about? He talked about off-the-field (behavior) ... how you guys have got to be really careful because … one little cell phone camera that sends out (photos or video from) here and it ends up here. And guess what? You’re embarrassed.”

Back to your comment:

Did you really watch the whole thing? This was a service for the NFL, addressing all NFL rookies.

To answer your question, I read the whole article, nothing more. Also, I did mention in my post that this was addressing all NFL rookies. What’s the point of your question?

In Mack Brown We Trust!

by Cyrus on Jul 8, 2008 3:13 AM CDT up 0 recs

I believe his point

Was that Fisher did nothing wrong. He simply pointed out well-documented examples and used incidents that he saw personally. The article you linked may not mention his allusions to Haynesworth and Travis Henry, but another article I read on NFL.com does.

I don’t see how Fisher “embarrassed” Vince at all. He was making a point that you never know who’s watching. He brought up last year’s symposium because VY, despite his own warnings for the rookies, fell victim to cell phone pictures. Everyone agrees what Vince did was not a big deal at all. The scary part is that someone even bothered to post that on the internet. If Vince was doing something else (like smoking weed), it could have been disastrous. That was the point, nothing more. Fisher was not aiming to tell them not to drink in public or not go to pool parties. He was simply saying that privacy is a very elusive thing for celebrity athletes. Thus, using Vince Young as an example makes perfect sense and in no way insults or embarrasses him.

I have to agree with whills: You’re making way too big a deal out of this.

by TheElusiveShadow on Jul 8, 2008 4:04 AM CDT up 0 recs

There is smoke, but no fire here.

Past and present NFL symposium fare has included: Ray Lewis speaking about his murder trial, Koren Robinson speaking about substance abuse, Jared Allen speaking about substance abuse, Esera Tuaolo speaking about being gay and in the closet in the NFL, graphic descriptions of the home invasions of Dunta Robinson and Phillip Buchanon, and Reggie Bush talking about life with incurable venereal disease (or ethics, one of those). Michael McCrary spoke of how he was swindled out of tens of millions on some prime New Orleans real estate.

Fisher doesn’t mention Brandon Jones by name, merely calling him “a dumb receiver”.

The player symposium is not about egos, it is about the future of young players. VY has always been willing to lead by example and I’m sure it didn’t bother him for a second. As a previous speaker about maintaining a good off the field image, showing the picture serves to demonstrate that even a player held up as an example of the way to behavior off the field, can be caught in a compromising situation.

The message, “if the Dirty.com guys are fast enough to catch VY, you pups are screwed. Behave yourselves.”

FYI, the NFL.com article fills in many of the names

by learned hand on Jul 8, 2008 4:06 AM CDT up 0 recs

I think the two post above cover my concerns.

This wasn’t embarrassing to Vince nor was it meant to be. It was cautionary. My point was that you sensationalized the embarrassment element, pushing it as something which it wasn’t. No more or less.

When I refer with “Did you watch the whole thing?” I was wondering if you were taking in the context and teaching approach this emphasized. Jeff Fisher – nor any other NFL head coach – is not going to throw his young and popular QB to the wolves; this would be suicidal to his leadership structure and his own self interest. Using real players in lieu of hypotheticals is a more powerful teaching tool.

Personally, I just don’t like people yelling ‘the sky is falling, the sky is falling’ when it’s not. There are always plenty of problems to solve without creating more. But you’re open to seek consensus to support your view.

by whills on Jul 8, 2008 12:18 PM CDT up 0 recs

VY embarrassed himself

Don’t blame this on Fisher. All he did was point out the obvious. It’s called accountability. You can’t say one thing, do another, and then get pissed off when someone has the audacity to call attention to it.

I don’t think this is a big deal at all. Vince is a far more intelligent human being than people give him credit for being. I’m sure he knows he made a mistake and that people are going to use his mistake as an example of what not to do in the offseason. And I’m sure if Vince had been the speaker, he would have said it himself.

by bassale47 on Jul 8, 2008 9:33 AM CDT 1 recs