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"State of the Horns" from quotable quotes

Now that the results practice has slipped out of public eyes, into the ears of selected sportswriters and onto the mouths of coaches and selected, usually senior, players, the dedicated fan longs to know how things are proceeding. Entering this season, major questions existed about the maturation of the younger receivers and the offensive line, about who would play defensive tackle, and who would rise among the many young players in the secondary and at other positions.

The entirety of Burnt Orange Nation is fed on the trickle of bleached and sanitized comments from coaches and players and fuzzy video clips of apparently random plays from practices and scrimmages posted on MB-TF as evidence of the dawning brilliance of the Texas Longhorns, version 2008.0 . Interpreting comments to the press and these videos is tricky, especially in Mack Brown Nation, where usually there is some uselessly positive babble about working hard, learning, being physical, etc. trolled out when any player is discussed. However, human nature is what it is, and the excitement of coaches and players can sometimes not be contained, while silence about other players is probably deafening.

I offer the following cryptic, admittedly mal-informed "State of the Horns" as interpreted from three forms of reliable data: (1) repeated mentions of players and their performance from multiple players and coaches on different days, (2) changes in the tone and adjectives used to describe players as the first game approaches, unusually detailed descriptions of players and/or situations, and (3) the general absence of specific comments about certain players for which we might expect considerable comments. Below I offer my nickels' worth on the major emergent themes from the first two weeks of fall practice.

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Who will be the #3 and #4 receivers, and does that leave Texas with some much-needed speed at the WR position?

The answer part A: Malcolm Williams is the #3 receiver and is being mixed and matched with Quan Cosby on the outside of 3 wide receiver formations because he is tough to jam at the line of scrimmage and has deep speed.

The evidence:

Colt McCoy Aug 6:

 I like throwing the ball deep to Malcolm (Williams). He does a good job of not letting the defense put their hands on him. He's big and strong and gets off the line.

Jordan Shipley Aug 6:

Malcolm, he's a big guy obviously that can run. He's really got unique speed for his size and that's going to help him a lot.

 Bobby Kennedy, receivers coach Aug 9:

Malcolm Williams has probably been the most consistent guy right now.

 Greg Davis Aug 12:

I'm really pleased with Malcolm Williams; he's having a heck of a camp. It goes without saying that Quan (Cosby) and Jordan (Shipley) are doing well, but Malcolm is really doing well…. We're working both… at that split end position, That guy, typically for us, has been a bigger body guy, a Roy Williams, a Limas Sweed, and that's where Malcolm kind of fits into the picture.

The answer, part B: James Kirkendoll is #4 because he can play any of the WR positions and is a heady player who is likely to be successful in the slot receiver position.

The evidence:

Greg Davis Aug 5:

James Kirkendoll is a guy that is going to be exactly where he's supposed to be every play.

Greg Davis, Aug 12:

James Kirkendoll has been really consistent…. a guy that can play all three spots, an extremely bright guy.

 Overall, Williams and Kirkendoll form the basis for 4 wide receiver sets that may become more important if the TEs dod not develop as hoped. Colt is prepared to play with both - see his above quaote about Williams and the fact that he threw a touchdown pass to Kirkendoll in the scrimmage.

Colt McCoy Aug13:

…..there's something about coming into the stadium, you can kind of tell who wants it and who doesn't. I thought Malcolm (Williams) played well today, I thought James (Kirkendoll) played well.

 

Has Sergio Kindle become a superstar?

The answer: He looks to be THE ANSWER

The evidence: Note the change in tone used by the coaches over time and the final comment by Rashad Bobino

Mack Brown Aug 8:

We're hoping it is (his time). He's in great shape, he's done everything right, he's worked really, really hard, .... He got hurt early in the bowl game and missed all of spring practice, so hasn't hit anybody in a long time. It'll be interesting to see if he continues to grow on the practice field like he looked in shorts.

Will Muschamp Aug 11:

He's got initial quickness, he's got a good get-off, he's a very strong upper body guy so he can power the tackles, and he's got pass rush ability. He's got God-given pass rush ability, so you've got to utilize his talents and put him in a situation where he can be successful and that's one thing he does very well. He's a good football player and we're looking forward to him playing this fall.

Greg Davis, Aug 12: (in the middle of a conversation about the offense)

Will (Muschamp) has done a great job of mixing packages and getting Sergio on the field, dropping him and rushing him. He's just such a physical presence.... We've got to be able to slide protection to him to get somebody else on him. We've got to be able to chip him coming out of the backfield if we've got a tackle or a tight end on him. It creates a situation where you need to know where he is (italics added).

Rashad Bobino, Aug 13: (after the first scrimmage)

Sergio looked great coming off the edge, playing (strongside) linebacker. He looks really good…..There were a lot of sacks out there.

The Horns haven't had a linebacker the offense had to account for on every play since Derrick Johnson.

Which largely unheralded player has come out of nowhere to potential stardom?

The answer: Cody Johnson looks to be a lean, mean fireplug who can play fullback or a single back, and can catch the ball as well. One can almost see the saliva dripping from Greg Davis' mouth...

The evidence:

Mack Brown, Aug 8:

He's about 256 (pounds) and looks really good. I thought he might be 235. He's really worked and gotten his body fat down and is in great shape, and he's just really big. He's very physical and a good runner.

Greg Davis, Aug 12:

Cody Johnson is having a really good camp. We're working him at fullback in our two-back sets, and we're working him some at tailback in our one back set just to create more depth. He brings something that the other ones don't, especially into the game when you've got the defense tired. He's a big body and he rolls up in there and you don't think he makes anything, and all of a sudden the pile has been moved. We're working him at both spots.

 

Is the offensive line mature and good enough for success this season?

The answer: YES. Did I say YES? YES! I can't recall, in 3 years of reading Greg Davis' comments, that he has ever been so definitively positive about anything except VY. That's good company. Note also the difference in tone between Greg Davis' comments on August 1 and August 12.

Greg Davis Aug 1:

We're going to have a good line. We'll start some young guys, but most of the young guys have played, and that's always encouraging…. There aren't a tremendous number of snaps other than (Cedric Dockery) and (Adam Ulatoski), but there are some talented young guys.

Mac McWhorter, offensive line coach Aug 9:

We probably have the most depth we've had since I've been here. The experience level is a whole other factor. I've got one senior, and that's Cedric Dockery and three juniors. They haven't played as much as a lot of lines have, but I've got really good depth.

 

Michael Huey’s got a really good tenacity level. Chris Hall is amazing to me. You talk to Chris Hall and he's a choirboy. He's a great Christian young man. You put him on that field, and all he does is block people and get after them. It doesn't feel outwardly as nasty, but he's got a great tenacity level.

 

Greg Davis Aug 12:

This line is going to be really good (italics added). Cedric (Dockery) is the only senior in the bunch and so there's still a lot of youth and they're learning each other's chemistry but it's going to be really good.

 

And now to the notable absences of comments -

Curtis and Chykie Brown, two young cornerbacks, have not been mentioned by name very much by anyone. Look for Ryan Palmer to keep his job and Deon Beasley to be the star.

Not one word has been uttered about kickers. Ryan Bailey, we know. The punter? Who? Look for punting to be a continued area of weakness in 2008.

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good work. I did recall that Mack had something to say about the new kicker, so I found it in the statesman’s Bevo Beat archive:
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Freshman kicker Justin Tucker, a former Westlake High standout, has caught the eye of Mack Brown.

"He’s got a live leg. That ball gets so high when he kicks it," Brown said. "The other thing is he’s punting really well. He’ll be in the mix with Trevor Gerland and John Gold for those duties."

Tucker enrolled at UT in the spring.

Brown said he didn’t want one player handling all three duties.

by SelimSivad on Aug 14, 2008 1:07 PM CDT   0 recs

thanks for adding that

I wanted to peruse the depths of the AAS, but just didn’t have time..

by burnt in ny on Aug 14, 2008 1:30 PM CDT   0 recs

good idea

I think the premise for your post is well-founded. With restricted access to practices, fans have to rely on Mack-speak before the season starts. It’s like reading newspaper articles on politics that essentially publish the talking points from both sides.
I would be happy with Justin Tucker winning the punting battle; Gerland irritated me last year. I recall seeing something about Tucker kicking a lot of touchbacks in high school. I wonder how the competition for kickoffs is going. Could be more evidence for people who wonder why Hunter Lawrence has a scholarship.
With Muschamp probably playing a lot of nickel, it’s time for the Browns to start having an impact. As my friend used to say, “Show me something!”

by GhostofBigRoy on Aug 14, 2008 2:07 PM CDT   0 recs

Lot of good insight

here. Tremendous amount of work and good analysiz. But, as always, it has to be based on the “leaks” that get out of (largely) the coaches’ mouths. From those sources, never is heard a discouraging word.

So, while the positives may be viewed as reasonably accurate appraisals, the absence of ANYTHING negative makes those comments necessarily one-sided.

Also, everything positive that one player or unit accomplishes is at the expense of a teammate or a unit. In layman’s terms, if the defense looks great—what does that say about the offense?

I will say that the last two weeks have realigned my list of concerns: (1) I’m not sweating the skill on defense, but those young DBs are nightmarish. (2) The running back situation is approaching scary. Improved blocking will certainly help, but I expect the ground game will be more like 2005 (minus No. 10, of course) than ’07. (3) DT will be fine (if Roy Miller makes 14 starts); the shift of two veterans from DE will allow the three freshmen DTs some time to grow up.

by edsp on Aug 14, 2008 2:21 PM CDT   0 recs

i also heard

that frosh aaron williams is playing really good..

by Schwab on Aug 14, 2008 11:20 PM CDT   0 recs

Enjoyed this.

Notice also some of these statements are motivational tools and not necessarily one-sided or negative, although edsp’s point is valid.

There is also the point that the coaches are picking their first units and setting the bar. They like for the second/third teamers to accept the decision while at the same time to continue fighting and improving.

And part of GD’s comments sounds like a kid in a candy store: relief that the OL is coming round, with depth, jubilant that there is a big blocking back who can also run (setting up many things) and the validation that Sergio is a Cobra (my term for the DJ type of defensive player that you must keep an eye on at all time ‘cause he’ll wreck you); in this context, he had to adjust at practice just to get the play off, which has great benefits in preparing for certain teams and rush situations. Hard to practice that if you don’t have anyone who can do it instinctively.

There really hasn’t been that much optimism compared to the last two years imho.

by whills on Aug 15, 2008 1:38 AM CDT   0 recs

Eyes and Ears...

aah…Where to begin??

Well let’s see…i live in Atlanta, Land of SEC biggetry… If I hear one more thing about the SEC or the ACC I’m going to throw up… It’s nice to finally be apart of something that is much more, in my opinion, Wholesome.

Unfortunatly, I dont have the luxuary of being able to watch a longhorn practice. Like everybody has said I get the small highlight real, but thats ok… I trust that to a degree. Me being a longhorn fan in an extremely SEC dominated fan base is not easy.

My thing…

I would like to use you guys as eyes and ears to the inside of the Longhorn camp. I’m over excited about this season, and frankly getting very irritated with anylist who seem to very much so undermine this batch of longhorns. I do have some questions though…

Desean Hales? Has he been at practice? Is he even there yet? I saw videos of him, and wow…that kid has talent.

and what about garret gilbert?

by mccoy12 on Aug 15, 2008 7:06 AM CDT   0 recs

not that I'm eyes and ears

being in New York, but I am pretty good at finding the “signal” among the “noise.”

DeSean Hales is at practice and has gotten the most repetitions as a returner. There hasn’t been much word about his progress, as is typical for true freshmen. The team is so deep at receiver, that it would be tough to get him on the field except as a returner. Others may know more.

Garrett Gilbert still has his senior year of high school in front of him.

by burnt in ny on Aug 15, 2008 7:13 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

desean hales...

I thought he was a RB, did they make him a receiver?? I’ll have to go check that out…

by mccoy12 on Aug 15, 2008 7:32 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

he's both

He played a lot of RB in HS(from my hometown), but is a speedy reciever type RB who caught alot of balls. He reminds me of Jamaal Charles, but I don’t think he’s as involved in Track as JC was.

I like our speed. We’ve got the tools. I’d rather be working with this than a bunch of experienced guys who can’t play.

by 98horn on Aug 15, 2008 12:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

not a RB

he is waaay too small to be a RB. He will be a WR/returner.

by Longhorns84 on Aug 15, 2008 10:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

really?

how big was Darren Sproles for K State..or Maurice Jones-Drew for UCLA…again really?

by vy til i die on Aug 16, 2008 11:39 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

those guys were stout

Hales is skinny and wouldn’t be able to take a hit.

by BigTexBD on Aug 16, 2008 12:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

ok.

..how bout Garrett Wolfe from N. Illinois?

by vy til i die on Aug 16, 2008 2:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That one is closer, I think

But Wolfe was playing a different class of competition in the MAC, and is sort of a freak durability wise. He also had the benefit of not seeing the field for two years. Even if Hales is durable enough to take the hit, he probably doesn’t have the strength or technique to be a worthwhile blocker, so he’s still not cut out for RB yet, even as a third down back.

IMO, the best chance for Hales to see the field early, especially in the big 12, comes as a returner/slot receiver. If he’s got the hands for the slot, it’s a win/win in that we can potentially lower the number of big hits he’ll take and the number of defenders between him and the end zone.

by learned hand on Aug 16, 2008 3:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I feel your pain

I live in Chattanooga, brother, I feel your pain. Living in the SEC is good for watching game, but it’s garbage for SEC biggetry/Texas coverage. Swear if I have to watch NC State/Miami over Texas/TT again, I’m going postal. Thank God for GamePlan and PPV.

Just let your souuuuuul glo, baby....feeling oh so silky smooth...

by TNHorn on Aug 15, 2008 10:38 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh boy do I feel that...

It sucks out here in SEC country…It’s like they dont believe that Texas football or BIG12 football for that matter can keep up…i’m thinking…right….Georgia take your overated quarterback, and your running game and come to Austin (the 3rd ranked run defense in the country) and try to play at Austin…HAHA good luck with that…

SEC Biggitry…BLah…Gross

by mccoy12 on Aug 15, 2008 11:26 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

maybe we'll get lucky

and have a georgia-texas national championship game. I wouldn’t want to play the bulldogs before then, tho.

I like our speed. We’ve got the tools. I’d rather be working with this than a bunch of experienced guys who can’t play.

by 98horn on Aug 15, 2008 12:33 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Georgia

might not be able to field a team before the national championship and now!

by Longhorns84 on Aug 15, 2008 10:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

There's always the future schedule....

I saw that Texas plays at Ole Miss in 2012. Oh hells yes. BOOM MF! I’ll be there with the quickness.

Just let your souuuuuul glo, baby....feeling oh so silky smooth...

by TNHorn on Aug 15, 2008 12:48 PM CDT   0 recs

c'mon..

I really hope you know that G. Gilbert is still in high school!? Right?!

I don’t don’t know if Desean Hales is a good enough returner to burn his red shirt (doesn’t seem like it-considering Cosby and Shipley will return everything)

by Longhorns84 on Aug 15, 2008 10:50 PM CDT   0 recs

Hales

Hales may decide not to burn his shirt for other reasons (i.e. Mack has a history of playing senority over talent), but he’s a sick return man. He’ll make you forget all about Quan Cosby.

I like our speed. We’ve got the tools. I’d rather be working with this than a bunch of experienced guys who can’t play.

by 98horn on Aug 17, 2008 10:44 AM CDT to parent up   1 recs

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