Late Night Coffee Makes A Cameo
Beware of Greeks Trojans Bearing Gifts. The college football world is abuzz following Oregon State's stunning upset of #1 USC in Corvallis Thursday night. Though seemingly every other team in or near the Top 10 was mentioned by the ESPN broadcasters as beneficiaries of the Trojans' loss, the only one I didn't hear mentioned was the team which may have benefited the most--Penn State, who defeated the Beavers 45-14 just two weeks ago. (Aside: Read this great post on PSU's hot new HD Formation.)
Even so, if USC fans understandably find themselves feeling sick to their stomachs in the wake of this letdown... they may still be on a very short list of front-runners for a national title game berth. Why? Though no longer leaders of the pack of zero-loss teams, USC shifts now to leader of the pack of one-loss teams. If they win out... and the Big 10, Big 12, and SEC fail to produce two undefeated teams... the Trojans will be sitting in the clubhouse winners of nine-straight, their only loss way back in September.
Best case scenario for USC? Ohio State runs the table in the Big 10 (or at least knocks out Penn State and Wisconsin), the top four SEC teams fail to make the case for a two-team SEC national title game, and neither Oklahoma nor Missouri emerges from the Big 12 unscathed. And there are even more plausible scenarios in which USC winds up in the top two of the final BCS standings. Don't bury 'em yet.
While we're on the subject... Just a quick mention here: Football is a tough game. Things go wrong.
Sometimes all in one half, as USC had happen in Corvallis tonight. Or like in 2001, when Texas fans experienced a first-half horror show against Colorado. Other times, the whole game fails to compute, as in the Trojans' meltdown at home against Stanford a year ago. And so on.
The point? Two points, actually: (1) There are no geniuses in football--just coaches who put their teams in the position to win by recruiting well, hiring good assistants, and being willing to adapt. (2) This is why Mack Brown's biggest detractors (almost all of whom reside outside the fanbase these days, thank God) strike me as out of touch with the modern college game.
Dear Vince, Don't worry. We know better. The last two weeks have been a bit awkward for me as someone whose identity is so frequently associated with Texas athletics in general, and Vince Young in particular. No joke: I've found mysellf sitting in high-pressure, otherwise deeply intense job interviews when a partner will pause to ask, "While I've got you here: What's up with Vince Young?" Hell, even my mother, who follows sports only in the sense that she's sometimes in the same room as my father for SportsCenter, asked me about VY.
I've tried to tell people that there are two (very related) issues: (1) How Vince handled performing poorly and (2) How Vince will respond to this in the long term. On point one, Vince didn't handle himself well. He wasn't meeting his on-field standards, it absolutely killed him, and he lashed out in his own way. But while everyone's focused on point one, I and other Texas fans aren't terribly concerned, because we've seen how Vince handles setbacks. And the same thing that made him react so poorly to his struggles in the season opener is what motivates him to give all of himself to being the best he can be going forward.
We know this. And, probably better than anyone, Mack Brown knows this (read the whole thing):
Brown, who is sitting in the press box next to a giant photo of Young reaching for the end zone in the Rose Bowl, bristles at the notion that Young led a charmed life prior to 2008. And that he was coddled.
Obviously, Brown says, they don't remember 2004.
Young was a redshirt sophomore that year, and he was sacked three times in a 12-0 loss to Oklahoma. The next week, he was booed on his home field against Missouri after throwing two interceptions.
"There were very few people in this city … fans, media … who thought he'd play quarterback and be any good at it," Brown says about Young, who then beat Texas Tech 51-21 and won 19 straight games. "People do not realize he didn't have the perfect little story here.
"So he's been criticized before, he's been booed before, he's been questioned before, and he's lost and played poorly before. And he overcame all that here and handled every bit of it. So anybody who questions his sincerity or his toughness doesn't have any clue who he is."
I have a few more thoughts on this, but I'll save 'em for a full post some other time, in part because I'm headed to bed. I'll get to some Arkansas-related notes tomorrow.
Hook 'em
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It’s time for the USC/Oregon St. wordplay headlines.
“Beavers smother Trojans”
“Trojans falter against tough Beavers”
“Trojans unsuccessfully stuff eight in the box vs. Beavers”
by burntorangehorn on Sep 26, 2008 6:33 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
PS
Any word on when Vince will return? My mother- and sister-in-law gave us a couple of tickets to go see Vince lead the Titans against the Ravens here in Maryland, and I’m going to be royally pissed if the Longhorn whose jersey I’m wearing (wife and kid have Titans versions, sadly enough) isn’t even playing in the game!
Ah well…someday, Derrick Johnson will bring the Chiefs to town, and I’ll get to wear the one NFL jersey I own.
by burntorangehorn on Sep 26, 2008 6:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Don’t bury them? If Ohio State is done (and I’m in no way suggesting they shouldn’t be; they should be out of the picture) the Trojans certainly should be. The Pac-10 is junk this year, so that will give them a grand total of 0 marquee win opportunities hence forth to rebuild their resume. There can’t be double standards on this; if the Buckeyes are getting crucified as paper tigers for losing to 2 national champions and a road game to the, at the time, #1 team, USC should be getting it even worse for losing 3 games to unranked opposition 3 years running.
I guess Pete Carroll just isn’t a little game coach.
by WorstFan on Sep 26, 2008 7:55 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
BIG 12 CHAMP vs SEC CHAMP
in the championship game. USC’s schedule is way too weak to bounce back form this loss. The only way is if every team loses 2 games and they only have 1 loss. USC doesn’t play a ranked team the rest of the season.
I hope everyone watched this game, and eases up a bit on Mack Brown. He does his job well. He recruits well, and he hires pretty good coaches in Austin. I know people dislike GD, but sh*t happens with every team (look at the great USC offense last night). Oregon State is USC’s Kansas State!
by Longhorns84 on Sep 26, 2008 8:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
“USC doesn’t play a ranked team the rest of the season.”
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Not necessarily true. A 3-1 Oregon, 3-1 Arizona and 2-1 Cal all could be ranked opponents when they play USC. USC’s SOS will improve if Oregon State continues to win during the season. Arizona State proved themselves to be the same weak Holiday Bowl opponent that defeated only 2 teams with winning records last season.
--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---
by HornChamps on Sep 26, 2008 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Double standards and common sense
If we get into a scenario with a Big 12 team with one loss to a ranked team, a SEC team with a loss to a ranked team, and USC with this loss, I can almost guarantee you that USC will not be the team left out. The human polls put way too much emphasis on when teams lost instead of who they lost to. What the pollsters should do is take a look at each team’s body of work over the course of the entire season when filling out the polls after the regular season.
Basically what Mack asked them to do before the 2004 Rose Bowl.
by Horncasting on Sep 26, 2008 8:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
The human polls put way too much emphasis on when teams lost instead of who they lost to.
If this were true, LSU would have been penalized for losing their final home game on Senior Night to Arkansas in November; they were not. They won the SEC title game, and were jumped right into the BCS championship game, simply b/c the media WANTED them there, come hell or high water.
by Beergut on Sep 26, 2008 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not so fast
Before the final polls came out last year, I would agree with you Horncasting. If you remember, there was a major reshuffle done and they pretty much took into account the whole season and jumped LSU into the title game from previously being like #5 or #7. I think if the scenario you talk about happens, they’ll get it right on the last poll of the year.
by HookedinOKC on Sep 26, 2008 9:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If it was any other team maybe.
USC is the media darling. They look for any reason the prop them up. I’m not saying they might not be one of the best by seasons end, but they would have to beat the rest of their schedule by half a hundred. If they do that then you bet they will be playing for the MNC. Early September loss is better than a late October loss to a ranked team. Pollsters forget about September 99.9% of the time. I would hope they get it right and put the most deserving teams in the MNC based on who they played but as long as humans pick there will be bias.
by Bevoboy94 on Sep 26, 2008 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Somewhere ...
Matt Leinart is saying USC had the better team last night
"Excuse me while I whip this out."
by FreedomDip on Sep 26, 2008 12:38 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Whoa....
……the way some Longhorn fans treat Pete Carroll’s record is just laughable. From 2002 through 2007, they lost 8 games by a grand total of 30 points. Sheesh, OU beat us by more than that in just one game. Twice! Let that sink in for awhile………
--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---
by HornChamps on Sep 26, 2008 4:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He's been the best in college football
But that wasn’t the point. The point was that great as he’s been, football teams lose games. Great coaches lose games. If none have been quite as successful as Carroll, very very few win have been as good as Mack Brown, either. For all our hand-wringing at times, that can be easy to forget.
--PB--
by Peter Bean on Sep 26, 2008 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Well Said, well spoken
(insert Mack clap)
by billb on Sep 26, 2008 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder
What USC’s record in games decided by 7 points or less is. It seems to me that they either crush their opponents or lose close games. I can remember a couple of close wins (against Notre Dame – bush push and all – leaps to mind) but all of their losses in recent years have been close, and most of them agains far-lesser teams (Oregon St. 2008 and 2006, UCLA 2006, Stanford.
by SaintBevo on Sep 27, 2008 7:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
OK, so I looked it up
(probably should’ve done that in the first place). Since 2005, USC is 6-6 in games decided by 7 points or less, 2-4 in games decided by 5 points or less and 2-3 in games decided by 3 points or less.
There were several 6 and 7 point wins that I had forgotten (Arizona and Cal in 07, Washington and Washington St. in 06)
by SaintBevo on Sep 27, 2008 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs























