GD continues Chiles double-speak shenanigans

by TXinDC on Sep 30, 2008 2:06 PM CDT Comment 21 comments

Bumped.

This was in today's Statesman:

Brown and Davis cited the development of Texas' young receivers as a reason the "Q" has seen only limited use. Davis said James Kirkendoll, Malcolm Williams and Brandon Collins have stepped up at receiver, making it less critical that Chiles line up there.

Davis said Chiles continues to need as many snaps as he can get in practice at quarterback, perhaps stunting his development as a receiver.
"John isn't far enough along as a quarterback to spend all his time at receiver, learning the nuances of that position," Davis said.

Chiles hasn't learned enough yet at QB to be moved to WR?

And did I miss the part where the freshmen stepped up? My mind is boggled.

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lolz

This is right up there with all of the OU players and coaches saying right up until kickoff that they weren’t really going to hurry up that much. Yeah, Q package is going down the toilet, since we tried a few basic plays out of it in the first four games and none of them were big successes. Sure thing, coach. See you on Saturday. Looking forward to the McCoy, Johnson, Chiles backfield setup for a few series. Don’t worry, I’m sure that The Hawk and Stoopsey will be fooled.

by Tackchevy on Sep 30, 2008 2:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

The second half of his statement is perfect reasonable

Part of the Q Package is Chiles being split out wide. But he needs so many reps in practice at QB that he’s not been able to take as many at WR, meaning he hasn’t been able to get good enough at WR to make the Q package worth running as much. GD isn’t talking about him “learning the nuances of the position” of WR in order for him to switch to that position, but rather to be effective playing out of that position as part of the Q package.

Furthermore, in the first half of his statement, it’s also perfectly reasonable to interpret what he’s saying as “the freshman receivers are better at playing WR than Chiles so that really takes away some of the effectiveness of the Q package because Chiles is inferior to whomever we’d otherwise put out there as the 3rd WR.” I don’t think anyone would claim that’s untrue. Now, what the Q package does theoretically add is an element of uncertainty because Chiles could get the ball in his hands and be a greater threat to throw it than one of the freshman WRs. That’s certainly something the Q package brings to the table. But Davis is not wrong to say that the fact that the freshman WRs are better than Chiles at WR is “making it less critical that Chiles line up there.”

I’m not any great GD lover, but you guys are looking for any tiny little thing to crucify him with. His only crime in this case is not speaking as clearly as he could have. Burn him!

by billyzane on Sep 30, 2008 3:42 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs

Thanks for thinking for me

Coach-speak logic is not one of my strong suites.

You’re absolutely right. The way it came out from GD sounded to me like, “Well we’d like to move him [permanently] to WR, but first he’s got to learn QB.”

You did interpret him perfectly reasonably. I did not.

Given your correct interpretation however, what does that mean? If he’s not ready at QB (and hasn’t appeared so except for a drive or two in the UTEP game), that means they’re going to keep grooming him?

I’m still just so confused as to whether they consider him the backup QB (maybe he is de facto) or an Athlete who can play RB, WR, and QB – yet if it’s the latter, they’re obviously saying that he’s a work in progress to become a jack of all trades but a master of none – and in a program that says “Consistently good to be great”, again I’ll raise the flag of his inconsistency.

by TXinDC on Sep 30, 2008 3:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

yeah, i'm not sure the coaches know what to do with Chiles right now

he’s at QB for the rest of the year, certainly. but do they sit down with him at the end of the year and discuss other options? I don’t think we’re going to see both Sherrod and Chiles at QB in ‘09. Harris is going to transfer or Chiles is switching positions. I haven’t seen enough of Harris to know which scenario I prefer.

by billyzane on Sep 30, 2008 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I know what to do with Chiles

Tell him he has to try out for WR with all the rest or take a legitmate back seat to Sherrod Harris, or transfer. I just dont see anything good coming out of this situation and I am actually afraid that it is going to cause some bad blood within the team between Chiles, the coaching staff, and other players who want John to quit his bitching. Frankly, I wouldnt mind to see him go, GG will redshirt next year and take over as a rsFR just like Colt did.

by Texas_Fight on Sep 30, 2008 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

There's logic

to turning Chiles into a WR, but two potential issues: (1) He may be a better QB than Harris, so moving him could hurt the team; (2) Gilbert hasn’t signed and the roster isn’t loaded with QBs, so if Chiles is moved you could be left with only Harris to play QB in two years.

Coaches are in a tough spot. I think they like Chiles’ skills but haven’t been able to get him prepared (I’d lean toward it being the player’s fault) to make a positive impact in games. They also don’t want to beat him down or cause him to transfer.

by edsp on Sep 30, 2008 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

It seems that the same people who want to move Chiles to WR are worried about depth at QB. We need three deep at the QB spot.

by Wells on Oct 1, 2008 6:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Where is the link of "Chiles bitching?"

The kid is out there trying his hardest to make his minutes matter and to get more time as a reward. He did not invent the Q package. He does not call the plays. He’s a raw talent at this point that is still obviously a work in progress. Everyone would like to see more production out of him at this point but that’s no reason to suggest he’s going to cause bad blood, internal strife, or hope he transfers. Come on.

by Horndogger on Sep 30, 2008 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

IMO...

the “bitching” he’s referring to is the fact that Chiles wants to play QB and there were stories, I think, that said he didn’t want to move to WR. Also, I recall that when Charlie Weis was recruiting him, he said he wanted him as a WR, and Chiles supposedly laughed and hung up on him. Those are the only examples I can come up w/. I agree, though, I don’t think it’s bitching when you’re trying your hardest to succeed, but you have GD calling the plays for ya.

by vy til i die on Sep 30, 2008 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not bitching

Laughing and hanging up on Charlie Weis is ALWAYS the appropriate response. Do you think Tom Brady or Bill Belichek even take his calls?

“Ring,Ring”
Giselle: “Who is that?”
Brady: “F***ing Weis! I’m lettting it go to voicemail.”

by billb on Oct 1, 2008 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

Alot of that is on Chiles himself

yeah, i’m not sure the coaches know what to do with Chiles right now

I’m generally not a Davis apologist either, but if Chiles looked better running or throwing this year, maybe the coaches would have a better grip on what to do with him.

A month ago we all wanted to know if Brown/Davis, would have the balls to play him in the OU game. Now that thought scares the hell out of me.

by Horncasting on Sep 30, 2008 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe we should get simpler with it

He cant throw, cant run routes, why not just hand it off so he doesnt have to do any thinking, just do what a fast person does, run. Return kicks? I dont know.

by owenh on Sep 30, 2008 4:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Chiles, Chiles, Chiles

I have no idea what i would like to happen with him. It seems like when he is on the field he is trying so hard to make something “electric” happen that he forgets he has the ball with him, the ball is never tucked away. So I for one would not like to see him play running back. Maybe receiver and only plays along the sideline, so he can at least fumble the ball out of bounds and not in the backfield where the D can “scoop and score”. That may be a tad harsh but, he needs to become a better passer before he tries to create anything on the ground, no defense respects his passing until he pops them for a wide open 50 yard passing TD.

by Longhorn in MO on Sep 30, 2008 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

One of the complicating factors

is that this season Chiles is 9 of 10, no INTs, one TD for 89 yards, longest pass is 29 yards.

10% better than Colt’s percentage sorta drives a wedge into abrupt action.

Perhaps he is double training – which he did in the practice I saw, doing both QB drills (rotation about a third of time) and ran routes in between, same with scrimmage type situations – and his legs are just tired. For what he’s doing, he would be the first on the team to encounter this.

by whills on Sep 30, 2008 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sampling size

And not one of those passes has looked as good as Colts TD/PI pass last game.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Oct 1, 2008 6:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ah, that 12-yarder on third down looked good.

When he went to throw, I sorta had the common reaction; oh shit, here we go. Then he drilled in a tough pass, threaded the needle for the first down. I shook my head and went, damn, that was one of his best passes yet.

So, yes, the sample size is small. And after this last game, the reaction has been pretty negative. I agree he has not fulfilled expectations this season, the full sample. Maybe we’ve both hit the wall. He’s run out of time and we’ve run out of patience. However, his “best” place seems to be QB at the present.

by whills on Oct 1, 2008 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

WIth Kirkendoll and Collins looking as good as they do, I agree. (nt|whills)

by BoddickerIsClutch on Oct 1, 2008 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Is Chiles really that good?

Okay, let me be the one to cut my throat here and ask a question that maybe all of you have asked what I have been asking myself for a couple of weeks. Walk with me down this road if you will….

Is John Chiles really that good?

1) Now before ya’ll start screaming for my head or “flip out” a la Jerry McGuire, just listen for a second. Someone made the comment a few posts ago about how we were one injury away from disaster; and even I have felt this way and asked that of PB yesterday. The response to that post was, something like, “who is Bradfords backup, or Daniel’s, or Harrell’s?” Point taken. I have also heard a lot of talk about JC and “meaningful plays” or “meaningful minutes”. But when it comes to meaningful anything from JC, as good of a kid and student as I am sure he is, to be honest fellow BONers, I dont want him playing meaningful minutes. YEAH I SAID IT (Chris Rock)! But that statement comes off the heels of what I have seen of him when he DOES go in and play. in non meaningful situations When I see his arm go back for a pass it makes me back to 2001 and Simms; I kind of cringe a bit. Does anyone feel this way too? Now maybe its a case of him playing loose and trying to make something happen. Everyone is making a big deal of a fumble by a young kid in the 4th quarter. As bone head a move as it was it was meaningless. So I for one wont crucify him for that.

2) Now before anyone says, “well, we need a decent backup”…I wasnt born yesterday and I know this. But I just dont think that he or Sherrod are ready to take over ANYTHING meaningful at QB. To play, absoulutely. To compete at the level that I know that we can and win a BIG 12 championship, absolutely not! Yes, I know that if they were as good as Colt they would be somewhere else satrting but it is what it is. Yes, I know we need to have a plan in place in the event of a catastrophe but him going in at QB is the best that we can do in our given situation right now at QB. PB, I firmly believe that is why you have said you were looking more towards 2009 and our chances than this season. We came into this season with a lot of questions about Colt and the secondary and such. I am presently surprised at the year our #12 is having and how the secondary has stepped up but like Parcells said a few years back about Tony Romo, “lets put the annointing oil away for now”. We still have along ways to go.

3) I know some of you live in Gods Country but I dont anymore and therefor couldnt and cant attend the open practices that are held at the beginning of the year in August. Maybe ya’ll see or have seen something in JC that I dont on the TV. I have no doubt that the kid can play but he is more of a “space” player to me. A Reggie Bush type if you will. He has got some athletic talent but he isnt gonna get 30 carries, isnt gonna go off tackle, and isnt gonna complete over 52% of his passes in conference play. Im sorry family; I just dont see it.

4) Nothing would make me happier than to see him come in for us during a critical point (God forbid something bad happen) and just see him march us down the field and win a game off the bench. But come on. I dont think he can do this. Furthermore, and I am no football coach, but when he is in its obvious whats gonna happen next. And not the good type of obvious with VY where you knew he was gonna run and he still gained a 1st down and the some, but bad obvious like, “lets go defense 8 in the box because I know whats coming next”. Am I on crack or does anyone see this too?

Yeah I said it!

PB, a penny for your thoughts!

Thanks,

by Longhorn in SC on Sep 30, 2008 7:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Thanks for the thoughts

I’m diving into this in a full post.

--PB--

by Peter Bean on Sep 30, 2008 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Where is the explosiveness?

All off season everyone was clamoring that hes our most dangerous player on offense.

What has he shown running the football that suggests he’s even one of our best running threats? To be honest, he hasn’t shown much explosiveness or shake. At this point Colt is the better runner of the two and it isn’t that close.

My adopted son Sergio Kindle does not sleep; he waits.

by mvplonghorns on Sep 30, 2008 11:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

My suspicion - Brown/Davis are looking at last year's Fiesta Bowl

It surely didn’t escape their notice that OU was completely unable to stop the spread option in Phoenix last January. I suspect that they’re hoping that Chiles can take the Pat White role. Ultimately I think they’re going to give up on it though, because even though White isn’t much of a passing threat, so far defenses have clearly assumed that any time Chiles is in the game he’s going to be running with it. Even Vince couldn’t have succeeded as a run-only QB (if you recall he had the highest QB rating in the whole country in 2005, and that’s based entirely on passing stats.)

by hodad on Oct 1, 2008 10:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs