VY "quitting" on the Titans
I'm as big a fan of Vince as anyone out there, but reading stories like this sucks. Let's hope it is far from the truth, as it will reflect very poorly on VY and his future success in the NFL if it is even slightly accurate. Do you guys think the NFL is too much for him to handle? After seeing what he can do his Rookie year, I sure hope not.
http://deadspin.com/5046663/did-vince-young-quit-on-the-titans
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My 10 Sense
I missed the “boardcast” of the game, but I doubt that #10 is quitting on the Titans.
People handle frustration is different ways. The NFL is full of gambles, high risk/reward opportunities that must be considered and committed-to when they arise. Vince’s frustration is obvious on that 2nd interception, and the last thing he wanted was someone’s pity – regardless of how well-intentioned Haynesworth consoling was.
Jeff Fisher was doing what a head coach does, telling his starting quarterback to suck it up and get back in the game. Was VY’s tight hammy excuse legit? Dunno. Doesn’t matter. VY isn’t a baby, and he isn’t a quiter.
VY needed to compose himself, shake off the INT and get back in the game. I’ll bet you ten-to-one that the injury he suffered four plays later was the direct result of hanging back in the pocket too long because he didn’t want to disappoint the fans with another INT, another incompletion, or another sack.
As he was considering the ramifications of disappointment Daryl Smith rolled him up, and VY left the field on crutches. The NFL is unforgiving. You have 3-seconds to make up your mind: throw it, run it, or eat it. Look at Favre’s desperation toss to Chansi Stuckey on Sunday versus the Dolphins. This was “vintage Brett Favre”: a QB that is famous for high risk/reward gambles.
Regardless, my point is that VY is not a quitter. He’s frustrated, but he doesn’t know how to handle it. He may be guilty of his own off-field success though. I mean how many Reebok endorsements does Daryl Smith have? Speaking as a former defensive lineman, the sweetest thing in the world is crushing a quarterback and I don’t mean just getting him to the turf, I mean driving through him like a torpedo through a row boat. That’s why the stat is called a “sack” and not a quarterback “tackle”.
Anyway, notice how impatient VY is even in this little “”http://www.emqb.com/vince-young-framed-by-reebok/" target="new">short film". And this, I’ll bet is how impatient VY is on the field.
It’s frustration, roywilliamsisgod, not resignation. Fisher’s job (IMHO) is to understand the frustration, bring it out into the open, and determine the best course of action to remedy the situation.
It's Mean to Ween
by Bombilla on Sep 8, 2008 11:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Link Corrected
Here’s the link to the above-mentioned short film starring VY.
It's Mean to Ween
by Bombilla on Sep 8, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I watched the game...
And I was shocked by what I saw. Now for a little background on me so y’all understand…
I went to UT while Vince was dominating the college football landscape. Went to games, had a class with him, and absolutely became a fan. I’ve been a die hard fan of his and an unashamed apologist. I’m willing to give him 20 years in the NFL if that is what it takes, because when he says he has goals (like MVP and superbowls) I believe in him to accomplish them. That said…
After his second INT he sat on the bench and didn’t look up for minutes on end. He sat with his head buried in his hands. It was shocking to see and saddening. He seemed really beat. Somethings gotta give soon, because it appears his confidence is waning like I’ve never seen before. Keep in mind, I’ve watched every Titans game I possibly could (going to what ever restaurant I’ve had to) and haven’t seen him this down before. Do I believe he can and most likely will bounce back? Yes. But he’s certainly in a very rough patch of his, ahem, young career.
Also, check out this quote from LB Keith Bullock:
“I am hoping it is not a 16-week thing, but at the end of the day we want to have the No. 1 defense in the league, so if we have to play 90 snaps to get that, that’s what we’re going to have to do,’’ linebacker Keith Bulluck said. "No one is going to quit on this side of the ball.”
*Emphasis mine.
The end of that could be calling out VY. Having watched the game, it is possible. I don’t want to debate if Bullock’s blurb there was right of him, it’s just an indicator of possible emotions in the locker room. Chip Brown also has an article up on Orange Bloods calling out the Titan’s staff for “coddling” him too much. I haven’t read it because, quite frankly, I’m not going to pay the monthly bill for Orange Bloods. That’s just what the front page read.
Those are my thoughts. I still love him and certainly saw catchable passes dropped by receivers in the game as well so that still remains an issue.
"Like I said, I'm going to bleed orange until the day I die." -V.Y.
by 4th and 5 on Sep 8, 2008 12:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
some of this is follow up
to the out-of-season quote by Vince to the effect that he wasn’t sure he wanted to keep playing in the NFL after his rookie year. Nothing against Vince, but the corporate expectations of quarterbacks to play a certain way so as to maximize probabilities and minimize risks is what got UT to the short end of 12-0 vs. the Land Thieves in 2004 and fans claiming that Young couldn’t play quarterback. Young wasn’t cut out for it then and he’s probably not now. Even in his glory days, he always seemd to throw a strange interception at least once a game. In the narrow margins of the NFL, that can get you beat, and the pressure to not do it is overwhelming. Vince wants to play to succeed, not to play to avoid failure, and he’s never been a player who could adapt to someone’s “system.” I put the blame on the Titans organization – they knew what he could do and what he couldn’t – someone is fooling someone (either Vince is saying he’s committed to learn the system, or the GM is telling the coach that he will come along eventually). If you remember, the owner and the coach strongly disagreed about drafting him, and I think Vince is frustrated at trying to become something he isn’t, just like he was at UT.
by burnt in ny on Sep 8, 2008 12:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you have a piece of the situation.
His mobility is a key part of his presence no matter which level. And I’ve always been concerned that his personal style of game wouldn’t adapt to the NFL, where his value as a commodity is probably greater than his personal style of play. I think that pressure is always going to be there.
I read the Titan’s website and after the second INT and the helmet throwing, Fisher approached him and said he was asking about Vince’s hamstring, which has been a problem noted in the press prior to the game. Fisher was ready to insert his backup at that point.
With a sore hammy, like at the final part of last year, a key part of VY’s mobility was inoperative, his ability to elude the rush was diminished, his threat to run was gone. So, his only option was to be a pocket passer and game manager. Flash forward to Sunday and he’s stuck in the same situation. Add in VY’s well known propensity to be the hardest one on himself. Introspection can provide insight but if you dwell on introspection in the actual game, it can destroy your focus. That’s what Fisher was checking, whether he could focus enough to continue. He’s not just the QB, he’s the leader.
Fisher’s concern is like that of a basketball coach: it doesn’t matter about the mistake the player makes, the game is ongoing; the player must get back in the game for the next play. And the next play. And the next play. Dwelling on the bad play gets your ass beat real quickly. VY is taking things a little too seriously and needs some perspective – and perhaps some fatherly advice.
Allegedly the hamstring problem had nothing to do with the actual injury incurred.
So, the chances of the NFL and Fisher in particular bending over to adapt to VY in toto are slim; this is about VY adjusting to the NFL with his tool set. That marvelous physical ability is only going to last so long; then, like Sunday, he will have no choice about being a NFL-style pocket QB.
The NFL is and has been a battle of the walking wounded after a certain point in the season no matter how much protection is provided. VY has had a big target on his back from the gitgo and no amount of coddling or pocket protection is going to change that. Physical pressure and intimidation is how you get to QBs. That’s what the teams in the pre-season did to VY, esp. Oakland. Until he can beat that pressure, this is going to be staring VY in the face. His own ability to run has amplified this process. The defense’s mission is to reduce a dual threat to one they can handle. This is the jungle savannah, and the lions are on the prowl. Your hopes and dreams can turn into a pile of gnawed bones in no time flat. Tough world.
by whills on Sep 8, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally in agreement. Well said, whills. n.t.
"Like I said, I'm going to bleed orange until the day I die." -V.Y.
by 4th and 5 on Sep 8, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeff Fisher
needs to chat with Mack Brown about motivating VY.
It's Mean to Ween
by Bombilla on Sep 8, 2008 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
EUREKA!
I’ve got it. The Titans should just hire Greg Davis as the OC. He’ll let Vince run the zone read 25-30 times a game (a few good seasons of Vince is much better than many crappy seasons of Vince, eh?). At least GD learned not to f*ck with Vince’s strengths (et tu, Norm Chow?). And Mack will finally be forced to hire an OC that doesn’t take games off. It’s a win-win! Now who’s got a direct number to Tennessee’s front office?
by jc25 on Sep 9, 2008 8:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Are we sure....
….the Titans haven’t “quit” on Vince Young? Don’t shoot the messenger. Just give some thought to the fact that the Titans chose not to do anything to grab a free agent WR, or two. Then in this year’s draft they chose not to address the WR position until the 4th round when they picked undersized Lavelle Hawkins from Cal.
To me this indicates they have concerns about the development, even after bringing in offensive genius Norm Chow, of their $58million 1st round pick. To the objective observer, this appears to be the beginning of the end. Without significant improvement, I’d look for the Titans to entertain offers after his 4th season. That would leave a 5th season and an option year remaining on his contract for a new club.
When looking at the results of the top-3 QBs in the 2006 draft (Young, Leinart and Cutler), it is Jay Cutler that has proven himself the best NFL talent. To the disdain of many Longhorn fans, Skip Bayless was correct.
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by HornChamps on Sep 9, 2008 2:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the ONLY reason..
..he thought Cutler was the best, was because he was being a Vanderbilt homer..he even mentioned it many times
by vy til i die on Sep 9, 2008 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Simply not true
While it is true Skip is a Vanderbilt alumni, he gave any number of observations pointing to Jay Cutler being the stronger QB choice. He was correct and it would be healthier to just admit to it.
--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---
by HornChamps on Sep 9, 2008 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not all UT FB Studs are gonna make it
in the NFL……I personally think Saint Vincent is the most dynamic CFB player in my lifetime (55yrs). C. Benson was a high 1st round pick who hasn’t done squat, then you have Selvin Young (undrafted) become a starter, go figure. What about James Street etc…………
I’m more into CFB than NFL. I’ve become a big Titans fan because of VY. If he doesn’t make it big time in the pro’s, it will not detract from his CFB record one bit. Here’s hoping all the best for all UT football players who attempt to go pro. I love Saint Vincent and think this is just a temporary setback. If for some reason its the way his career in the pro’s will be, then F-it, he’s still my hero.
"Nobody leaves this field until we beat the hell out of them".................... L.J."Louis"Jordan in 1913 before kickoff of the Texas/ou game.
by ouALWAYSsux on Sep 10, 2008 9:49 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs

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