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The BCS As Bureaucracy

Ordinarily we write in the first person plural because we're generally of the same mindset. To defend the integrity of Abram, this post presents only the opinions of Jeff. Abram was in charge of spell checking and grammar on this post though, so any mistakes in that category are his alone. --40AS--

This post is not a defense of the BCS. It is not an argument with any depth for or against any form of playoff. It is simply a defense of the complexity of the current BCS situation. Because it is a complex situation as I see it, solutions will not be easy, and change will likely be incremental. Fans are as pissed off as I can remember, hell even the President-elect is clamoring for change.

To begin, when PB writes "Why can't we have a college football playoff? Because at least by one measure -- dollars, the only one that counts to those who make the decisions -- the system ain't yet broke" I assume that he is assessing the primary reason the BCS still exists in its current form is because the NCAA only cares about the amount of money it makes? I disagree with this assertion but I should caveat my earlier comment. "It's complex" is no better of an argument than "it's all about the money". The question on everybody's mind is why has the decision not been made by the powers that be to change the current structure to a more encompassing playoff? More precisely, why hasn't the BCS changed the 2-team playoff yet?

Star-divide

To get to the answer as I see it, one must first think about 'what is the BCS'? Because, in reality, the BCS ain't much. Its power and its existence is tied to the conferences, and in that way it's kind of like the United Nations. The way I see it, the BCS only exists and does stuff because it's in the interest of the conferences and individual schools. Much like individual countries in the UN each team and conference has its own unique set of interests and biases concerning what is best for it in the long run. I see the BCS as a large bureaucracy. Bureaucracies are slow, inefficient and hard to maneuver in any direction because so many interests come into play on every decision. That's the way our government works and, to a much smaller degree, that's how I think the BCS works. 

I think, I suspect, but I do not know, and I'm willing to bet that you don't have any greater insight into the BCS decision making procedures and process than I do (no offense). I doubt that any fan and few insiders really truly knows how the BCS works or takes the time to think about how that might effect whether a playoff can or will be pushed through. How many times have college football analysts gotten into the weeds and focused on the 'why' of BCS big picture decisions rather than the 'what'? The answer, I suspect, is not very often.

Getting to the money, it's not about the money in my opinion so much as it's about the guaranteed money. TV and advertising money on highly-rated BCS games is all well and good, and would certainly only be increased by a playoff. But wouldn't the conference guaranteed money probably decline significantly for several of the conferences? The SEC and Big XII have much to gain by a playoff, they're pulling two BCS teams a year, but the ACC and Big East are lucky to get even one, not to even mention the non-BCS conferences. The ACC and Big East make the same amount of guaranteed money on the Orange Bowl whether it's the greatest game ever played or the 2009 Orange Bowl. 

Through this lens, I suspect this is why only two teams per conference are allowed, having more might create competitive disadvantages for the better conferences. The Big East makes a boatload off of its Orange Bowl appearance that it wouldn't get if the selection were done purely on ranking. You could have a playoff, but it would have to be expanded so far (16 teams at least, right? Maybe 8, but you're still leaving teams out because you'd have to be doing it based on a guaranteed conference slot, therefore it'd be six BCS conferences and 2 wild cards -- Texas and Bama. USC and Utah are still left out this year).

Once you get to 16 teams you are in fact degrading the regular season in my opinion. 3 and 4 loss teams should not be given a chance to win a title. Additionally, it is a valid point that many of the younger players are not built for a 17-game season at this high level of college football. It is done at lower levels, but the difference in physical intensity between D-I and D-II is pretty high. Finally, the conferences are hesitant because of the well documented traditions, and they would be forced to give those up. Big Ten and Pac Ten resistance to losing the Rose Bowl alone likely makes up a large part of the reason there is no playoff.

Getting back to the bureaucracy, each potential playoff scenario creates opportunities for resistance amongst the members of the bureaucracy. The further you expand it, the more resistance you are likely to create. There is no consensus among college football pundits for which playoff road to take, and given the assessed need for general consensus around a move to a playoff, it's not surprising we're stuck where we are.

flex system is a beautiful solution, but given the constraints involved it just seems like a fantasy. Getting the players and coaches and stadium ready would be the easy part. There's a lot of money to be lost in a 2-team playoff under the flex system, from sponsorships and advertising to the guaranteed payoffs the teams and conferences get. Considering the bureaucratic resistance to expanding by just one game, adding potential chaos to the situation by adding in an undetermined (preseason) number of playoff games seems impossible. Uncertainty and bureaucracy don't mix very well.

A Plus One isn't perfect. This year would have been Bama vs. OU and Texas vs. Florida with the winners playing (edited to reflect the real final BCS standings). Under a Plus One, however, USC in '03 wouldn't have been left out, nor Auburn in '04, or Texas in '08. But with the constraints already faced in changing the BCS, I think it fits the round peg into the square hole a lot better than what we've got now. 

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It would’ve been two teams replaying each other for the 2nd time? What about Utah?

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by Skin Patrol on Jan 10, 2009 8:43 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Take the last BCS

It actually would’ve been #1 OU vs #4 Bama and #2 Florida vs #3 Texas. I make no comment about the way the teams are selected which is obviously still flawed.

by 40AS on Jan 10, 2009 8:54 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I read the above wrong then, my fault.

That makes more sense but still doesn’t deal with the Utah problem.

Go register. Or else.

by Skin Patrol on Jan 10, 2009 9:40 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, it doesn't

But there wasn’t a Utah problem pre-selection, nor was there a USC problem. So long as the selection is based off the national discourse and the national discourse remains simplistic, there will continue to be Utah problems.

by 40AS on Jan 10, 2009 9:55 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think Utah going undefeated and not getting to participate in a championship is a problem. I agree that you can’t decide selection to the BCS bowl games based on what happens in those games, but the computers thought Utah was stronger (pre-bowls) than Alabama… and they were.

Go register. Or else.

by Skin Patrol on Jan 10, 2009 10:15 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Utah had a great season, but they backed out of a game with Texas this year.

We don’t get to back out of our game with Oklahoma or Texas Tech. To be considered for a MNC, when you are in the MWC, you have to play in every big game you can. They chose not to play Texas. Yes, they did schedule a traditionally tough Michigan team, and Oregon State who beat USC, and did beat TCU and BYU, but those games just aren’t enough to compete with a team who wins the SEC East or West or the Big 12 South when considering who should play for a MNC.

by the1austin on Jan 10, 2009 12:59 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree, which is why I support expanding the postseason into a playoff, so that people like Utah can participate.

Go register. Or else.

by Skin Patrol on Jan 10, 2009 3:16 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes

Essentially, the BCS said fuck off Utah, your fate has already been determined before the season started. Basically, they would’ve had to pull a Stoops and blow out every opponent and score 60+ to actually have a shot to get to the MNC.

by goingforthecorner on Jan 10, 2009 2:19 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Or they could have hosted and beat...

…Texas. Or Michigan could have been decent, even similar to what they were last year. Of course its hard to plan going forward. If Arkansas had been a little better and Cinci a little worse the Big 12 Championship would have had a different winner. (Of course under the circumstances such need not have been necessary)

marshalld

by duras on Jan 10, 2009 2:23 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The BCS didn't, the writers and coaches did

It’s not like the polls had Utah high at any point in the season until after they beat Alabama. You can blame the BCS for using the polls to determine the highest ranked teams, but there really isn’t a good objective way to determine which 2 teams are the best of 119 playing under vastly different circumstances and situations.

by 40AS on Jan 10, 2009 4:51 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bingo. Any system that leaves out an unbeaten team is fundamentally broken and cannot, in my opinion, determine a legitimate champion. Utah and Boise State (and Ball State, if they hadn’t lost to Buffalo in the MAC title game) absolutely should have had a chance at earning the title – and the current two-team playoff doesn’t allow for that possibility.

by SpartanDan on Jan 11, 2009 3:24 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks for the insight.

I think I understand the resistance to a play-off better now. Even if we had a play-off, the weaker conferences would still demand their guaranteed slot(s), so there would still be deserving teams left out because slots are filled with guaranteed slots.

"Only angry people win football games." --DKR

by OBdoc on Jan 10, 2009 9:03 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Stewart Mandel

Regardless of if you like him, agree with him, etc., check out CNNSI’s Stewart Mandel’s book, Bowls, Polls, and Tattered Souls. He has a great chapter on all of the bureaucracy of the BCS, and why he feels that there will never be a playoff, or at least not in the foreseeable future. As you say, there are so many entities with so much pull, it just doesn’t seem like anyone is willing to budge or cave on that guaranteed money.

by junglerules on Jan 10, 2009 9:40 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The BCS is simply the traditional bowl system with a guaranteed #1 v. #2.

The game is rotated through the 4 bowls to appease their conference tie-ins. The 5th game was a particular nod to that to satisfy the Rose Bowl, the PAC-10 and the Big 10.

The BCS ranking system is designed to have a “consensus” 1v2 so that you’re not deciding which poll system to use as the 1v2 standard. The computers were brought in due to the increased interest in statistical ordering over the last decade or two; including them makes it harder for people to complain that the 1v2 is not supported by stats.

But other than having a 1v2 game played every year, the BCS is nothing more than the old bowl system. Another POV is: the BCS is a guaranteed exception to the bowl system for only 2 teams.

What wasn’t anticipated was the national obsession with equating a “consensus #1 ranking” with some nebulous definition of a “consensus best team”, which is undefinable in all but the most extreme years.

by hooper on Jan 10, 2009 10:51 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes

The BCS is almost identical to the traditional system, with the seemingly minor distinction of placing more emphasis on a champion.

It is that extra emphasis on #1 that has caused a shift within the culture of the sport, and we are now thrown down the dark path of wanting to discard the importance of hundreds of games played by 119 teams over the course of three months in favor of distributing all of that cultural currency to one game or possibly a few weeks of games played by only 8 teams.

by BrooklynHorn on Jan 10, 2009 1:06 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Essentially the same except that it often

trashes the other BCS games which were more consistently interesting priot to its advent.

marshalld

by duras on Jan 10, 2009 2:24 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly.

The other Bowls have been ruined, since they have been categorically excluded from choosing a Champion.

Someone commented earlier to me that, in the past, the Cotton Bowl in most years didn’t decide the Champion either. But that misses the point. In the traditional system, in any given year, any given Bowl might have hosted the National Champion; it was not predetermined before the season. So if Miami was #1, it might be the Orange Bowl, if Bama, the Sugar Bowl, and so on.

This meant that on January 1st, the top 5 teams often played in completely different games, and the public had to watch all of them to see who might end up being crowned #1. And even if the Cotton Bowl played no part of choosing the Champion in that given year, it might have the previous year, and it might again the next year. This gave the Cotton Bowl a general prestige, a historical relevance (even if this particular incarnation wasn’t special) that built up over the years, so that even in a lesser year, the game carried a kind of significance for its participants.

This is the kind of cultural currency and prestige that is currently being removed from any game that does not decide the champion, and when you categorically deny those games any relevance in this [relatively new] obsession with who is #1, the sporting community turns its shoulder, and that currency is allocated elsewhere.

In other words, we have taken a cultural currency that had been relatively well spread, and we’ve consolidated all of it on one game. A playoff will similarly devalue the regular season, by consolidating all of the interest on a 2-week tournament.

by BrooklynHorn on Jan 10, 2009 2:43 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The first bowl season I remember featured a Texas loss...

… to Georgia in the Cotton which had a direct impact on the determination of the eventual MNC (Miami).

Occasionally, as this year, the other bowls can serve to illuminate the quality of the teams, but the desire to pronounce an official “National Champion” has still meaningfully degraded their significance and the intereste they hold.

marshalld

by duras on Jan 10, 2009 2:49 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Very insightful look at BCS

Thanks for your work.

One thing you failed to mention — but something I think the ultimate decision makers, the college presidents — are extremely sensitive to is the concept of professionalism. Already, college execs have a hard time defending big-time college athletics to the academic side of their institutions, for these reasons: (1) The ever-expanding schedule (it was 10 games until 1970, 11 until this decade; the first conference championship games began in the ’90s); (2) odd start times and days (some weeks there are Div. I games every day except Sunday and Monday).

I don’ t like the current system. Almost nobody does. But from the standpoint of generating dollars and whipping up interest in the game, it works perfectly. As you say, if it ain’t broke, why try fixing it> I assume most of us will go to our graves waiting for a true playoff.

by edsp on Jan 10, 2009 1:37 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"I assume most of us will go to our graves waiting for a true playoff."

Nah. Just wait a few years…contracts expire, pressures build, the blowing winds of change will increase ferocity.

The President’s statements are significant. While he has no power over the NCAA, he has a strong influential voice in society at large, and his continuing advocacy shall eventually lead toward a more unified, concentrated, and concrete effort to achieve a playoff.

I anticipate that in 20 years, we shall have a playoff. We might even see Notre Dame join a conference.

by BrooklynHorn on Jan 10, 2009 1:53 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

With any luck, Brooklyn...

…we might keep it at 8 teams or fewer for 30 years or more.

marshalld

by duras on Jan 10, 2009 2:37 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"Flex system" is anything but beautiful

All it does is add more bullshit and controversy to the situation. To determine which teams you THINK deserve to play in a playoff, you’re inviting nothing more than subjectivity. How is that any different than what we have now?

It’s just silly. Imagine if they used flex systems in the pros. The New York Giants wouldn’t have won a Super Bowl last year. A flex system would’ve just had the Patriots against the Cowboys or something like that. A flex system would’ve allowed the choking Chicago Cubs to get to the World Series last year because of their regular season dominance.

Once there is a playoff, it must remain a constant. I’ve always said a 12 team tournament.

In 2005, sure, the USC vs Texas Rose Bowl was the ideal matchup, but there’s not reason why you still can’t have an 8, 12, or 16 team tournament. Ohio State looked like a contender based on their Fiesta Bowl that year if you ask me. If USC and Texas were the best teams that year, then they would’ve PROVEN it ON THE FIELD by advancing to the tournament championship game.

by goingforthecorner on Jan 10, 2009 2:16 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That depends, corner...

…if the goal is to determine which team wins a tournament at the end of the season at the expense of a great deal of the significance of the regular season (as would inevitbably occur even with an 8 team playoff, much less anything bigger) or to make a genuine effort to determine the deserving teams and thus preserve the significance of the season as such. As stated in the main post it is unlikely to happen, but the Flex System would seem to balance the equities exceptionally well.

Your point respecting the Giants is unpersuasive for 2 reasons: 1) the very fact tht the Giants even made the playoffs goes a long way to diminish the significance of the regular season and 2) at least in the NFL there is sufficient parity to make it plausible that a team seemingly undersrving on the basis of its performance during the season might actually be good enough to win such a tournament. In college, letting in undeserving teams would merely trash the season and introduce the risk of excessive attrition which would compromise the competion between teams which defeinately earned their way in and have a plausible chance of winning.

marshalld

by duras on Jan 10, 2009 2:45 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How do you know who's "deserving"?

Again, you can’t tell me which teams are deserving and not deserving without being subjective. Also, I don’t like that under this system and a flex system, it’s still a 1 strike and you’re out policy for some teams. You’re basically not allowed to have a single bad game at all. Even one bad game where everything goes wrong can cost a team the season.

And as far as “cheapening” the regular season, I don’t think it’s even possible in college football, unless we’re talking about a huge 32-64 team tournament. Even with the 16 team playoff, the regular season is still going to be hyped and considered a big deal. In fact, a playoff ENCOURAGES high-profile non-conference scheduling. I don’t think Texas’ non-conference schedule would look so bad if they KNEW for sure they could afford to lose early. So when you think of it that way, a playoff could improve the quality of the regular season.

by goingforthecorner on Jan 10, 2009 5:11 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Playoff will discourage high-profile scheduling.

Imagine that, if we know in August who the most likely contenders are (there are typically 5 or so), then they will be ranked accordingly in the preseason polls. This means that those teams merely need to survive their schedules to make the playoffs, at which point scheduling a tough, non-conference opponent will be an unnecessary risk, especially when your conference schedule provides the risk of one or two losses already. At least with the BCS, there is the incentive to impress voters. But with a playoff format, if you’re a team that has a loaded returning roster that will impress voters in August sufficiently to put you in a position for a championship in the preseason, at that point you need only survive your schedule with one or two losses.

Athletic departments won’t take the risk. They would benefit more, in that case, from trying to ensure a postseason appearance, which will bring them just as much money as would a strong non-conference opponent in September.

You might argue that schedules are made years in advance, or that non-contenders will still schedule to impress, but this doesn’t make sense in the long haul. As an athletic department, you will have to assume you might be in contention in the years to come, and you will have to schedule accordingly, at least this is the way the mentality will evolve.

by BrooklynHorn on Jan 10, 2009 5:27 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

To expand a bit

I should have written that a post-season appearance is worth much MORE money than a big game in September, which will be key to understanding the business mindset of future athletic departments.

Also, it is interesting to note that college basketball teams play a long enough regular season that they can schedule tough teams as “tune-up” games, with a low risk of missing the tournament as a result. And with the BCS as it is, there is a risk in scheduling a tough opponent, but it is often a risk worth taking, as you never know which years you may be competing with several undefeated or 1-loss teams,

But a 12-game season with a playoff would be disastrously in between the two. If you are put in a position in the preseason to make the playoffs, tough scheduling is all risk and no incentive.

by BrooklynHorn on Jan 10, 2009 5:40 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Brooklyn makes great points in response...

…but I would add that in most years it is easy, very easy even to determine which teams are deserving or not. Whiel the scheduling is too diferent to determine the best team with certainty most years, there are almost alwayenough games against common opponents to determine which team is palusible natinal champion, and the Flex system would accomodate this most years.

This year, for instance, TCU would have been in any 16 team playoff and certainly a very strong candidate for inlcusion in an 8 team field. Yet their game against OU, in which the put forth a very credible defensive effort that they were not and were not deserving of consideration for being the best team in the country. We now know tha OU was clearly not the best team in the country (and even under the current flawed system shouldn’t have gove to Miami) but they were plausble candidates for inlcusion in a 4 team filed. There was not reason to go beyond that and include the like of TCU.

marshalld

by duras on Jan 11, 2009 1:30 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think the analogy is flawed

In the NFL, half of the 32 teams are in the tournament. That is obviously impossible nor advisable for college football to do. For these 119 teams who often play such different competition, you have no choice but to use some sort of ranking system to narrow the field. If wins and losses in divisions are all that matter, then obviously a flex system makes no sense. That does not apply to college football.

I think the flex system would be fine in college football; it would create controversies of its own, but in years where there is SERIOUS dispute, like this year, it would be able to expand the field. There would certainly be controversy in 2005 from 1-loss Penn State that the field wasn’t expanded, but their case would be considerably less powerful than the current cases of USC, Utah, and Texas. After all, they lost, while the two teams in the championship game went undefeated in major conferences. Florida, the champion, has one loss in a major conference… just like USC and Texas, who incidentally beat the team Florida just did by the exact same margin on a neutral field. Utah didn’t lose at all, albeit in a non-BCS conference.

Personally, I think maybe even 8 teams is usually too much in most years. I understand that people don’t want to “cheapen” the regular season, but I think that would only happen if the tournament was expanded too much to let teams who simply don’t deserve it.

by TheElusiveShadow on Jan 10, 2009 3:17 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Like I said above

a 8-16 team playoff wouldn’t cheapen the season and encourage tougher non-conference schedules. That benefits the regular season, especially in September.

by goingforthecorner on Jan 10, 2009 5:13 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How many?

Most sports with playoffs take between 1/4 and 1/3 of the eligible teams. In a 16 team playoff, a lot depends on the seeding so the regular season performance is still very important.

But let’s face it — there is no rule or set of rules that assures the best selection, so a better way would be to have a selection committee, like basketball.

Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.

by Caradoc on Jan 11, 2009 6:07 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Which is why...

The conference autobids are stupid and bad for college football. If the Big East and ACC want to make any tournament, they should field better teams. It’d be in the BCS’ interest to do so, because Cincy and V-tech didn’t exactly draw the viewers compared to the other bowls.

With all due respect, I didn’t see the post as a “defense” of anything. It was, however, a good reminder that like all such organizations, the BCS is complex and change is extremely difficult and sometimes not even useful.

I agree that the flex system sounds nice but it is the least likely to occur (by far). I think the flex system, in theory, is a good idea, but I know the bowls would never want it because if they are promised a semifinal or quarterfinal game, by golly, they want it. They’ll be most upset if they don’t get one because it so happened that two, and only two, teams went undefeated.

But basically, you pretty much just repeated the conclusion PB had with a different concept. These entities want their money, and they’ll be pulling in different directions (complexity) to make sure they get their share, making change very difficult if not impossible.

by TheElusiveShadow on Jan 10, 2009 3:10 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"With all due respect, I didn’t see the post as a "defense" of anything. It was, however, a good reminder that like all such organizations, the BCS is complex and change is extremely difficult and sometimes not even useful."

That’s what I stated in my opening paragraph:
“It is simply a defense of the complexity of the current BCS situation. Because it is a complex situation as I see it, solutions will not be easy, and change will likely be incremental.”

by 40AS on Jan 10, 2009 4:38 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like the...........

………..play what is necessary. Why be constricted? CFB drives most of us a little mad…it is frustrating to root so hard, get so close, only to have it spoiled by the following analogy:

“USC dominance over tOSU in the regular season was used to elevate the Trojans while lowering the Longhorns who only beat them by 3”……………..in week 2, that was Pryor’s 2nd game of his college career…he better have his team improving. In the same breath, “UT beat a different OU team…the one today is much better.” Uh-huh…………

Need I say more?

by Mulliganville on Jan 10, 2009 3:15 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kudos.

The playoff proponents often don’t go farther than the theoretical to realize that their so-called solutions would only create more problems. The BCS isn’t perfect, but playoffs aren’t necessarily better. People need to focus on the feasible and see what they can change, if they so chose.

by ejruiz on Jan 10, 2009 4:45 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This system is the closest I've seen to actually having a chance at happening, given the said complexities...

www.newcollegefootballchampionship.com

You keep the 6 conference tie-ins to the bowls currently, but have 4 at large teams play each other the 2nd week of December with the winners getting the 2 at large bids to the 4 major bowls. After the 8 teams play in the bowls January 1st or 2nd, the 4 winners are seeded for the Final 4 the next weekend, with the championship the weekend after.

This effectively gives you a 10 team playoff, but with the 6 conferences keeping their autobids and traditional bowl tie-ins, making the commissioners and presidents happy. With those 10 teams, you’re pretty much guaranteed to get at least the top 6 or so in (top 8 this year), so I think you could effectively quash most objections about teams getting left out. For example, this year you’d have:

4 play-in teams:

Texas vs. Utah
Alabama vs. Texas Tech

Winners would join these teams in the major bowls:

Cincy
Va Tech
Oklahoma
Florida
USC
Penn St.

The highest rated teams left out would be Boise St. at #9 and Ohio State at #10.

As far as travel logistics for the week after the bowl games, you could even allow the top 2 ranked teams to play at home, to further reward a great regular season and final ranking.

This system has the least holes I’ve seen for actually getting a pseudo playoff in place.

by HookedinOKC on Jan 10, 2009 9:57 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, but...

…this would involve dilution and the inclusion of clearly undeserving teams so as to create a tournament to determine a “champion on the field”. Fine, if that is the objective, but not so great if we seek to preserve that which traditionally characterizes and elevates college football.

marshalld

by duras on Jan 11, 2009 1:33 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think most people would be fine...

…with including a couple of conference champs (Cincy and Va Tech this year) that are not deserving so long as we get the other deserving teams into a playoff.

by HookedinOKC on Jan 11, 2009 1:55 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Keep it simple. Use a selection committee.

Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.

by Caradoc on Jan 11, 2009 9:11 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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