Thoughts on the Titans' loss (or, PB rules)
by Longhorn in Canada on Jan 11, 2009 7:07 PM CST
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Watching the Titans this year, particularly yesterday in their predictable loss to the Ravens, I found myself less than overwhelmed with Kerry Collins. Serviceable, yes. Good enough to carry the team in a big game? I didn't think so earlier, and yesterday seemed to bear that out. I don't think Kerry had a bad game, so much as he didn't have the weapons to win this one. Once Chris Johnson went to the sidelines, Tennessee just had nothing to beat the Ravens' defense.
Watching the second half, I kept thinking that someone had predicted this, and had offered a solution. Oh yeah, our own PB. http://www.burntorangenation.com/2008/12/21/698862/kerry-collins-vs-vince-you
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yeah..
On 4th and 5, I was hoping that they had some gadget play where they would put VY in b/c we know he could convert at LEAST that play..lol
by vy til i die on Jan 11, 2009 7:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Nice reminder, LiC.
They do need VY – and they need a Jeremy Maclin or Crabtree. That D will get you into the playoffs, those weapons will get you much farther. You don’t even have to use them that much during the regular season.
NFL playoff defenses will eat ordinary offenses for lunch.
Fisher has some explaining to do.
He has a SB quality defense, and he didn’t get a whiff of the big time.
by whills on Jan 11, 2009 7:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Totally not Fisher's fault
They dominated that game. However, untimely injuries and turnovers did them in. Plain and simple. They did everything they needed to win that game except for protect the ball and put points on the board. Those two things cost them the game, in conjunction with Chris Johnson going down. This is a Titans team that can play with anyone, but would play everyone close. They aren’t going to blow any teams out, especially in the playoffs. However, their one gamebreaker on O went down at the half, and that was pretty much game.
With all that said, if nothing else, you would think they could find a way to get VY involved in a Wildcat type formation or something. He does add a dynamic that this team sorely needed- big play ability. Here’s hoping they can get a gamebreaking WR in the draft this year. It’s still their most glaring need, to me.
by junglerules on Jan 11, 2009 7:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I find myself agreeing with almost everything you say
I would switch the first two words of your title to Not totally Fisher’s fault, as I agree with PB that he is somewhat to blame. As you point out, a Wildcat like formation that Vince is in for just a few plays a game could add a lot.
The other thing that falls somewhat on the coaching staff is White’s fumble. How can a pro be allowed to carry the ball in that sloppy a manner? Remember, the Ravens got to this game by forcing turnovers against a team that had been good at protecting the ball in the regular season. The fault is the player’s, but the coaches have to take some of the blame, as well.
by Longhorn in Canada on Jan 11, 2009 8:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The one unforgivable thing Fisher did
was kick the field goal on 4th and less than a yard. When he did that, I knew the Titans would probably lose, and rightly so, because it was a decision that did not live up to the expectations of a veteran NFL coach.
His thinking was erroneous. He was thinking, quite superficially, that the field goal was a higher-percentage play, than picking up a yard against a good defense. But that was the wrong way to view the situation. Instead of calculating the probability of converting one play vs the other, he should have been thinking about which choice gave his team the higher probability to win the game.
By attempting the field goal, you potentially tie the game and give the ball back to Baltimore with 4 minutes left. The absolute BEST you can hope for is overtime. So, in order now, to win the game you will have to overcome the following:
1) successfully executing the kick (bad snap / Baltimore could block it / the kicker could miss the attempt),
2) Baltimore’s attempt to get a game winning-field goal on the ensuing possession,
3) the coin flip for overtime, and
4) getting a game-winning score in overtime.
Or you can ask your #1 seeded team to gain a half yard. To me, there were too many things that had to break right for the Titans by choosing to kick the field goal. The probability of converting on 4th and a foot is far greater than overcoming all of those other things, even if the field goal, alone, is a higher percentage play than the 4th down conversion, alone.
The football gods always punish extreme stupidity with a loss, and Fisher totally screwed the pooch with that call.
by BrooklynHorn on Jan 12, 2009 12:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No wonder
Moose(former Cowboys’ TE) has kept yelling that was wrong at least 3 times. That call was wrong. He totally disagreed with Fisher’s decision.
by GoHorns1 on Jan 12, 2009 4:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
uh..
wasn’t that on CBS? Moose does games on FOX.
by vy til i die on Jan 13, 2009 2:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess yall forget that Kerry Collins would have won that game
if not for two fumbles inside the 20.
by j1veturkey on Jan 11, 2009 8:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
what?
Dude, Titans was the better team, and Collins was OK. They just got unlucky and lost …
In Mack Brown We Trust!
by Cyrus on Jan 11, 2009 8:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I have never been more happy
than to see it stuck to Bud Adams on every possible occasion for his crimes against humanity.
by Triple347 on Jan 11, 2009 9:12 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Amen, brother nt
May Colt be with you. Yeah, that's right.
by bfaut86 on Jan 12, 2009 7:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wow, you're a loyal houstonian....sorry, but the texans suck
by SneezyBeltran on Jan 12, 2009 11:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
#3 offense in the entire NFL.
That doesn’t suck, my friend. Defense is suspect, no doubt, but you cannot doubt the prowess of the offense, and to do so is a logical fallacy of the greatest kind. Nice argument, though. Nietzsche, Derrida and jacques lacan would be doubly proud!
by Triple347 on Jan 13, 2009 4:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Turnovers
When you play the conservative “not to lose” game, turnovers are going to kill you.
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.
by Caradoc on Jan 12, 2009 2:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
lollol
PLaying not to lose huh?
Collins threw the ball 42 times Saturday.
He averages about 27 passes per game.
by Blitzburgh on Jan 12, 2009 3:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and
they werent trailing basically the entire game, meaning he wasnt just throwing because the team was in a hole.
by Blitzburgh on Jan 12, 2009 3:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He had to pass because Johnson was out
And I was referring to the coaching moves, not the playcalling
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.
by Caradoc on Jan 13, 2009 5:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the pendulum swung a bit too far
For Titans fans. They turned on Vince rather quick, considering he lost his starting job due to injury and the stories that came after were ridiculously overblown.
However, while Collins did not play stellar and he’s not a fantastic QB, he played well enough to win that one. He didn’t make the mistakes that lost it for them. In hindsight, I’m sure everyone wonders what Vince could have done to help, but if Crumpler and White hold on to the ball, they’re okay. Of course, they may NOT have beaten the Steelers like that, but they did do so in the regular season because they beat Big Ben to a pulp.
Vince’s chance will come this offseason to really study the game and improve. If he doesn’t win the starting job, that’s on him.
by TheElusiveShadow on Jan 12, 2009 3:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
VY needs to overcome his emotional issues before anyone puts him in an NFL game.
by gahnki on Jan 12, 2009 4:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
you need to get a life so you aren't posting on other team's blogs...
by SneezyBeltran on Jan 12, 2009 11:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You should learn
the art of argument. Go Read Aristotle’s Rhetoric or some Thomas Aquinas or any other scholastic Philosopher.
by Triple347 on Jan 13, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention the all important
Cateogoriae and priora analytica and posteriori analytica/
by Triple347 on Jan 13, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
POSTERIORA
used the genitvie when the nominative was warrented…my bad.
by Triple347 on Jan 13, 2009 4:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So
I apologize for my rhetoric being over the top, and i am accused of being bitter? Why would I be bitter, is there any way for you to tell me, since that would involve a little more than a 1 liner?
by Triple347 on Jan 14, 2009 10:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or you could just tell me to read Thomas Aqinas
Your comments on this thread don’t deserve more than one line.
by Wells on Jan 14, 2009 10:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Generally,
those who actually possess the ability to implement a cogent application of historically scrutinized, philosophical logic (as opposed to mere unsubstantiated citation) refrain from undermining their own authority with the use of such common colloquialisms as “my bad.”
by BrooklynHorn on Jan 14, 2009 12:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Did this comment thread just happen?
--PB--
by Peter Bean on Jan 14, 2009 8:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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