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Blog Poll Final Top 25

My final Top 25 ballot is beyond the jump, but first, three notes.

  1. I've seen my fair share of indefensible ballots submitted to the Blog Poll this (and every) year, but I will say this: the process is open and transparent. First, we're all strongly encouraged to post draft ballots, through which readers and fellow bloggers can (and always do) point out voting idiocies. Revisions are frequently made (certainly considered), facilitating both a minimization of oversights/mistakes and a maximization of dialogue. Second, voter ballots are attached to publishers, such that there is no anonymity in voting. And third, MGoBrian does a good job of spending time each week discussing the merits and demerits of various votes; though dissention is neither discouraged or stifled, the prospect of review encourages voters to explain plainly what it is that they are saying with their votes. All these things are good.
  2. Both because of the above and my own views on the impossibility of identifying The Best Team, I won't be quibbling with the particular ordering of Florida, Texas, Utah, or USC on any voter's ballot. I prefer a playoff because we do value championships and a (well-constructed) post-season would better legitimize that notion, but in the current system there's nothing offensive about anyone who wants to make the case for any of those four squads.
  3. In response to a note I made last week about it not mattering whether Texas finished #2 or #4 in any of the polls, Jason Mayer made an excellent point I want to acknowledge:

    I know it doesn’t matter, but I still bristled at the final poll with two teams leaping ahead of us.

    I know this rehashes a lot of similar points that have already been made, but all of this talk about Texas’ win in the Fiesta Bowl being “unimpressive” exemplifies exactly what is wrong with the BCS. It’s no longer enough to win, or to show moxie or resiliency in battling back or slugging it out in a tough game with a tough opponent, or trading scores between two great offenses.

    It’s all about “style points” now. And college football has become no better than figure skating or gymnastics in terms of basing everything on someone’s subjectivity.

    Congrats to Florida. They are a deserving "national champion." But there were three other teams that had a case to be playing them last night. And any of those three teams could have easily won. I don’t see how anybody watching that game last night could unequivocally state that those were the best two teams in the country.

    It's a (typically) excellent take from Jason, regardless, but especially worth highlighting because it came just hours after I'd stressed that Texas fans shouldn't spend their time admonishing Mack Brown for failing to gun for 100 points like Bob Stoops, but rather should ask of poll voters to think more critically about what they reward. As Jason rightly points out, though Texas at #2 or #4 doesn't really "matter," it is bothersome insofar as any given voter is -- in dropping Texas -- getting carried away with "style points" in precisely the same way that allowed Oklahoma to be unjustly enriched for their blowout wins. I revise my position to embrace Jason's point.

    My final Top 25 ballot is after the jump.

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RankTeamDelta
1 Florida 25
2 Texas 24
3 Southern Cal 23
4 Utah 22
5 Oklahoma 21
6 Penn State 20
7 Alabama 19
8 Mississippi 18
9 Texas Tech 17
10 Ohio State 16
11 TCU 15
12 Georgia 14
13 Oregon 13
14 Virginia Tech 12
15 Boise State 11
16 Florida State 10
17 Oklahoma State 9
18 Iowa 8
19 Oregon State 7
20 Pittsburgh 6
21 Michigan State 5
22 Cincinnati 4
23 Georgia Tech 3
24 Missouri 2
25 California 1

Plenty of room to quibble, no doubt, and I'm interested in everyone's views. I'm mostly ranking on resume, though my own subjective prejudices clearly creep in here and there. I give Ole Miss a lot of credit for beating both Tech and Florida; some may think too much.  I give the Gators the final nod for the same reason. As mentioned before the jump, though, I'm fine with any ranking of Texas, UF, USC, and Utah 1-4.

Beyond that, mostly a mess, and for my interest in chatting about others thoughts on this, I won't lose much sleep worrying about whether we got spots 10-25 just right.

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Wonderful.

I agree 99%. I couldn’t with good conscience have that Ohio State team in the top 10 with 3 losses.

Now, with all due respect, can we PLEASE move on to the biggest game of the season against ou tonight?

Muschamp seems like the kind of guy who used to beat up guys like Bob Stoops in high school.

by TheJeezus on Jan 12, 2009 9:05 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Or

 Ole Miss for that matter…being a giant killer doesn’t cover up the two BAD home losses.

Muschamp seems like the kind of guy who used to beat up guys like Bob Stoops in high school.

by TheJeezus on Jan 12, 2009 9:37 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Now...

Seriously…we’re four point dogs vs. Blake Griffin and four other guys in Norman tonight…let’s take off the helmet and pick up the rock.

Muschamp seems like the kind of guy who used to beat up guys like Bob Stoops in high school.

by TheJeezus on Jan 12, 2009 9:40 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Except Ohio State

losses came to 3 teams appropriately ranked in the top 6 and 2 so ranked in the top 3. In light of this their placement at #10 is easily defensible.

marshalld

by duras on Jan 12, 2009 9:44 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

How is that resume better than TCU's?

or even Georgia’s for that matter?

Also…what’s the matter with AJ Abrams?

Muschamp seems like the kind of guy who used to beat up guys like Bob Stoops in high school.

by TheJeezus on Jan 12, 2009 10:00 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The way TCU was blown out OU at home

(althoug there is a strong case here and I’m not definatively putting OSU ahead of TCU, but simply saying this is a defensible position). Likewise for Georgia which PB has right on the heels of TCU and OSU but which arguably belongs there on the basis of the blowouts by Bama and Florida.

In contrast to last year, where the basketball (in particular the early win against UCLA) was a great relief from the frustrations of the football season, the early underachievement on the court this year has been an irritant to the satisfaction derived from football. Whereas I was looking forward to OU in Dallas in October even though I was far from confident of victory I’m very apprehensive to night. With focus shifting to the court this is the first time in months that I’ve orrinted myself fully in this direction and while no single basketball game can match the RRS I am very concerned.

I don’t have an answer to your question regardin A.J. but needless to say his regression from last year has been one of our prinicpal problems. Let us hope that is reversed going forward from tonight.

marshalld

by duras on Jan 12, 2009 10:24 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Mostly agree

Except for PSU/Bama

PSU – Two losses to your N#3 and @#18, Win over your H#10 and @#19
Bama – Two losses to your N#1 and N#4, Win over your H# 8 and @#12

Seems like if its pure resume, Bama should have the advantage.

Its pretty minor to pick about their order, but I would personally put Bama ahead.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Jan 12, 2009 9:18 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

did Utah and USC jump up solely on style points though? Utah and USC BOTH beat better opponents than us, not saying that because of one win they deserve to be ahead of us in polls, but you have to take that into consideration

by MJY6087 on Jan 12, 2009 9:29 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

USC lost to a worse opponent

Utah overall didn’t play the schedule we did. That’s my opinion why it should be as is written.

-rBr-

by run Bevo run on Jan 12, 2009 10:06 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Have to take some issue with the Jason Meyer perspective

First, I have to say that whether it matters or not, Texas’ case for a number 2 ranking on a resume basis is extremely strong. It is perhaps somewhat weaker in a power ranking but still persuasive.

Now to Meyer’s point and your concurrence. While it is almost certainly the case that a lot of voters ranked OU ahead of us and unjustly sent them to Miami because of the superficial style points they accumulated at the end of the season, it is also wrong to simply say “a win is a win”, without taking a critical look at the game in question. No one would suggest that just because OU beat Tech by more than USC beat Notre Dame, Notre Dame is somehow closer in quality to USC than Tech to OU. However, our game with Ohio State exposed some weaknasses and given that OSU lost to Penn State at home and the way Penn State lost to USC one could certainly argue that USC is better than US. Some might say that well, Pryor had several games and dozens of practices to improve his passing skills and therefore Ohio State his passing skill, but all of us know we didn’t see Vince Young passing out there in Tempe. Again, a resume comparison pretty much compells placing us ahead of USC. Would we beat them, however. More bellow.

Utah is a great story, an excellent team and easily deserving of their hight ranking. Indeed, their resume compares favorably with USC. However given their result against TCU, the Frogs agains OU and us against same, I’m pretty confident we’re the better team. Add in a reshufled O-line and JPW rather than Colt behind center and I like us against them a great deal.

Getting back to USC, I do think they are physically superior but they did not face as tough a schedule and did not show the kind of resiliance we did. In this light I would certianly give us a chance against them.

I absolutely think Florida has the most impressive resume and believe them to be the better team. However, such was also the case with Miami and OSU. Further, we can only take so much from the OU game. OU’s rhythem offense was clearly hurt by the month off and the loss of Murray was also harmful. In spite of this they remained close, and if the get a filed goal instead of going for it in the 1st half and if Iglesias hold on to that ball, things could easily have been different. Therefore, if we assume that we are better than OU and in particular if we assume that this superiority is based in large part on the resiliency we displayed so often (OU, Tech, and even OSU) we have to believe we might have beaten Florida. Not 6 out of 10, probably not 5 out of 10, but much stranger things have happened on given Thursdays.

marshalld

by duras on Jan 12, 2009 10:14 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

i want to add something about the style points

because i said the same thing in another post about how we actually dropped because we didn’t win by “enough”
and that’s just silly
because it takes a totally subjective argument (quality of opponent) and makes it an objective value in a ranking system
because ohio state was viewed as weak, and while there is empirical evidence to argue both side of that, we were supposed to blow them out
and that’s false, there’s different elements that go into a matchup that create a toss up effect when the talent levels are on equal footing
i think also we suffered from a lot of the big 12 perception in which we were expect to have a high powered offense, as evidenced by the scores
and the truth is we were a highly efficient offense, not high octane

by abcdmetrius on Jan 12, 2009 10:14 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Good poll, PB

Glad to see the non-BCSers “pushed down” relative to the major polls. Utah and TCU look good on paper, but their schedule quality has to be considered. Even more so, Boise State. You got it right on Oklahoma State- (which beat) Missouri, and ranked those two approrpriately. Four-loss Mississippi is too high, though you can’t argue their strong finish.

Wonder how you overlooked that impressive bowl win by Notre Dame. Hey, they finished 7-6 and snapped their bowl losing streak.

by edsp on Jan 12, 2009 11:01 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

While I agree that Texas, USC and Florida can be justifiably interchangeable

I think they’re duking it out for No. 2. Undefeated Utah with as impressive a schedule as you’ll find in a non-BCS school has to be No. 1 for me. If Notre Dame was undefeated with that schedule, they’d be a unanimous No. 1… Sad.

by MeanMr.Mustard on Jan 12, 2009 7:47 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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