Maisel on Crack

by hookemkp on Jan 23, 2009 11:22 AM CST Comment 33 comments

Maisel ranked OU to be #1 in his College Football Prestige Rankings.

and we own 58-40-5 record against this "so-called" most prestige team.

Does that make us like super #1?

Also why are these folks of chokelahoma bringing up Royal being an sooner?That is like us saying half of your players are from Texas.

It is a Oh-good-to-know-by the way statement, but nevertheless an argument that doesnt make sense whatsoever.

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If you learned nothing else from this season:

Head to head victories against OU are meaningless.

What if James Henry decided bitches didn’t need to be kicked?

by billb on Jan 23, 2009 11:25 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

and when has USC been an all time great in football...

in the Pete Carroll era, they are great, but it is a stretch to call them an all time great..

by thebrat on Jan 23, 2009 11:28 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

USC

They had Heisman Trophy winner great O.J. Simpson.

by UTexasCPA on Jan 23, 2009 11:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He did cut and slash

with the best of them……..errrrrrr ………..what????

by Longhorny on Jan 24, 2009 9:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm no USC fan but...

Sorry, dude. But USC has 9 undisputed national championship (11 total) and 7 Heisman winners. If that ain’t prestige, I don’t know what is. I don’t like them, but the numbers don’t lie.

"Like I said, I'm going to bleed orange until the day I die." -V.Y.

by 4th and 5 on Jan 23, 2009 11:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

*One too many "but"s made it in there. Apologies. n.t.

"Like I said, I'm going to bleed orange until the day I die." -V.Y.

by 4th and 5 on Jan 23, 2009 12:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I like big buts and I cannot lie

-rBr-

by run Bevo run on Jan 23, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

you just revealed your football ignorance there buddy

by andy_wooster on Jan 24, 2009 12:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

my bad...

I’m happy to learn something everyday.

by thebrat on Jan 24, 2009 10:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Incentive...

to schedule stronger Out of conference schedule.

Also…

“Leave no doubt”. Next year we gotta “Leave no doubt” about who the best team on the field is. “Leave no doubt” to the opposition, “Leave no doubt” to the fans and “Leave no doubt” to the media, who the baddest motherfuckers are on the field that day.

Time to start running up the score on teams. They don’t give a shit about sportsmanship and the very people we protect from running up the score on, vote for Oklahoma. So…FUCKING KILL EVERYBODY WE PLAY.

by Hippie Killer on Jan 23, 2009 12:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Ridiculous

The only teams we need to run the score on is OU, Aggie (this one’s from the TAMU site), and Tech (oh, wait…that’s Vince Gill). And maybe Colorado. Or Kansas (because when Mangino pouts he looks like a Cabbage Patch Kid that has to fart but can’t because he’s in public).

I’m not interested in running the score up on Baylor, Baylor State (read Iowa State), or even the Okie State Cowboys. Also, I have always respected Nebraska and would never run up the score on them.

Oh… and then there’s this.

It's Mean to Wean

by Bombilla on Jan 23, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions 8 recs

Friday afternoons...

…never boring when Bombi is in da house!

You missed this pic of the Agro Engineering Laboratory.

by horndude on Jan 23, 2009 3:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That pick would’ve been just fine had it not been for the scrotum dangling down there.

by burntorangehorn on Jan 23, 2009 6:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

thx

I didn’t even see that the first time, but you made me see it..I’m not hungry anymore..thx

by vy til i die on Jan 23, 2009 6:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Indisputable Numerical Analysis

Bullshit. You assign arbitrary point values to things and you can spit out pretty much whoever you want. 2 full points for every week ranked No. 1? Only one week at No. 1 matters. Look at the penalties, too. 1 point for a year on probation? What? If I’m ranked No. 1 for one week that year, then I can be on probation and still get “prestige”. Kind of like “Well, you cheated, but you were so damned good at it we’re really impressed.” Absolutely pointless number massaging designed by Maisel to make himself feel better after yet another choke by his beloved Sooners.

Let there be no doubt next year, Mack.

by Horn Brain on Jan 23, 2009 12:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

exactly

when I looked at his arbitrary criteria and saw he was willing to award a team tons of points for championships and rankings, but charge them only 1 freaking point for the very violations that [in all likelihood] gave them those championships and rankings, I knew the system was ridiculous…yes, worthy of ridicule. 1 point makes no substantial difference at all. It is as if he crunched the numbers using a more reasonable algorithm and didn’t like the outcome, so he tossed out the penalties so he wouldn’t have to sweep OU out of the rankings. Any system that more appropriately balances accomplishments with breaking the rules probably puts OU closer to 10th.

In my mind, if we’re basing this on actual prestige (as in, who is considered the biggest “football school,” whenever “football schools” are discussed) any list that doesn’t have Notre Dame on top loses all credibility. Nobody ever wants to go with the obvious pick, but clearly ND is THE football school, with the most name recognition and the richest tradition. Alabama is probably ND’s closest competitor, but then you have a solid second tier of mostly interchangeable teams including Texas, Nebraska, tOSU, etc.

by BrooklynHorn on Jan 23, 2009 2:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Seriously?

While I agree that more deductions could be assigned for major sanctions, your conspiracy theory is hilarious. I’m sure that Stanford graduate Ivan Maisel is massaging the numbers anyway he can to make sure Oklahoma comes out on top.

Don’t forget that the 1988 sanctions destroyed OU for the ‘90s but putting the Sooners closer to 10th most prestigious is just unreasonable. Let’s just face the fact that both of our programs are arguably top 5 all time… or modern era or whatever.

I’m sure we disagree on who’s who, but what’s Superman without Lex Luthor? We all look forward to October every year, and without that game college football suffers. As painful as it may be, we actually need each other to be good.

by BrooklynSooner on Jan 23, 2009 5:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

BrooklynSooner?

are you BrooklynHorn’s archenemy?

by vy til i die on Jan 23, 2009 5:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

cool superman reference...uhh....

by SneezyBeltran on Jan 23, 2009 11:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

First

there are no Sooners in New York. I’ve lived here six years, and I’ve not seen one. Literally… not one. A Brooklyn Sooner, I can only imagine, is a mythical creature that haunts the wintry streets of Coney Island and the nightmares of successful transplants from more prestigious academic institutions.

Second, OU doesn’t pull the same national weight that other big programs do. I can say, having grown up in California and now living as an adult in NY, my experience has strongly indicated that Notre Dame, Michigan, USC, Texas, tOSU and Alabama all generate discussion in various locations around the country and are frequently referenced in pop culture (From “The Gipper” and “Rudy” to “Forrest Gump” to…cough…“Man of the House”), but I’ve rarely heard anything about the Sooners outside of the Big XII region. That may be unsubstantial and anecdotal, but still, I find it difficult to consider that the absence of Sooner references around the United States is a phenomenon entirely exclusive to my experience.

Yes, the Sooners have won a lot of games. But my objections to their placement at #1 are that A) an awful lot of those wins, championships, and heismans came during the Switzer era, which we have documented to have been totally corrupt, and B) those wins haven’t translated to the same kind of household name-recognition that, say, Notre Dame or the Crimson Tide seem to enjoy. I’d say that by those criteria (balancing wins with notoriety) Texas is somewhere between 3-5, and OU would be somewhere between 7-10, but certainly not #1.

by BrooklynHorn on Jan 24, 2009 5:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Wow...

You’re a real dick. Anyone that refers to themselves as a successful transplant from a more prestigious institution is a douche. You sound more like Jersey Shore Horn. Is all that hair gel giving you brain damage? I thought I’d try to be civil but the anonymity of the internet produces another virtual tough guy. I actually moved from Norman to Brooklyn in 2003 and I could care less if you believe me. I’m glad you are the authority on college football prestige. That must be a cool job. Say what you will about the state of Oklahoma, but if anyone knows anything about it, it’s OU football. Maybe that has something to do 7 National Championships. Yep, the Sooners exist in total obscurity.

by BrooklynSooner on Jan 24, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Your preemptive remarks proved rather prescient...

…because I still don’t believe you.

by BrooklynHorn on Jan 24, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

rankings

Why this matters, I will never know. Stop feeding the ESPN machine by giving silly rankings like this credence.

That being said, there’s good reason for OU and USC being 1 and 2. Get over it.

by Jason Mayer on Jan 23, 2009 12:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

this list has become completely irrelevant to me

if you put oklahoma number 1 you have a serious problem, they deserve to be top 5 for sure, but i would put usc, notre dame, alabama and texas in front of them, especially with how many times they have been on probation or punished by the ncaa

Hotty Toddy and Hook'em Horns.

by Olemissreb451 on Jan 23, 2009 1:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

don’t get too butthurt about what others think

by Displaced Longhorn on Jan 23, 2009 1:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

OU repeat

With OUs OOC schedule for 2009 there is a significant, however unlikely, chance we could have a repeat of this year.

Theory: OU wins out except for loss to Texas. Texas coughs up one game to a non-OU school. Thus, head to head win counts less than OUs vastly superior OOC schedule.

http://ouinsider.com/football/schedule/
http://www.orangeblood.org/Sports/foot/2009/2009.tx.foot.html

Sorry if I ruined anyone’s day. The more likely and happier scenario, of course, is that Texas will go all the way next year.

by UTexasCPA on Jan 23, 2009 1:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

i'd say that sounds good.

i despise oklahoma from the innermost recesses of my soul.

Ian Johnson gets on one knee.
Sam Bradford gets on both.

by acho81 on Jan 23, 2009 4:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Well its debatable who's "truly" number 1

They do have several national titles I’ll give them that. They’re in the discussion. It’s not really outrageous to me.

by owenh on Jan 23, 2009 1:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Dirty Program # 1.......sure

Oklahoma has had a dirty program for over 40 years. Cheating, kinking the system, drugs, you name it…..If there is a way to cheat, OU is going to be at the forfront.

They changed grades, rewrote transcripts, whatever it took to get ineligible players on the team in the 70s and 80s in a big way. They have had an out of control “Pay the players Booster Program” that Switzer took to new heights and Big Dud Bob still utilizes. Steroids have been a mainstay of sooner football forever. All you have to do is read the NCAA Probation orders and the books by their former players …Charles Thompson and the Boz for the facts. Now Big Dud Bob has figured out that by leaving his starters in the whole game, even when he’s 4 touchdowns ahead at half, the idiot press will fall all over themseles raving and boost their ratings. How many conf and MNCs were directly a result of these type abuses?

No Texas coach is EVER going to allow these type of abuses……..NEVER.

So be proud of your University and let the sooners go about their business….it will never change.

I'd rather you just say thank you and went on your way.

by MeatchickenHorn on Jan 23, 2009 1:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs