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Horns_bullet_medium Texas beat Baylor 78-72. In fact, Rick Barnes has never lost to Baylor.

Afterward, Texas coach Rick Barnes downplayed the dominance against Baylor. "It doesn't mean anything," Barnes said, "because all it says is the programs were at different levels at different times. That's all it means."

Horns_bullet_medium When is a rivalry not a rivalry? When the wins-losses are extremely lopsided. Texas and Texas A&M are a prime example.

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The No. 1 basketball recruit in the country has narrowed his college choices to Memphis, N.C. State, Kansas, Oregon, Miami, Duke and Baylor. Some people are calling foul.

Many recruiting experts and even more speculative fans believe Wall ultimately will give Baylor the nod. That’s because in July, Wall’s summer league coach, Dwon Clifton from Greensboro-based D-One Sports, was given a job in Baylor’s program, accepting the newly created position of director of player development.

Under NCAA guidelines, it was a perfectly legal hire. But at the time, many saw Baylor’s move as a quid-pro-quo strategy of, "Bring John Wall to Waco, and we’ll get you on the payroll."

 

The Red Raiders and the Aggies are both looking struggling in the Big 12. Is it time to worry?

The Red Raiders and Aggies sit ninth and 10th, respectively, in the standings, and for both coaches - Texas A&M's Mark Turgeon and Tech's Pat Knight - the road to recovery is manageable despite the realization that both teams have lost four of their last five games.

"Are we as confident as we were going into the league? Probably not, but we haven't lost all of it," said Turgeon, whose team ranks last in conference in field goal percentage (43 percent). "We're still confident, we believe in what we're doing, we know we have a good team."

"It's not a time start panicking," said Texas A&M senior guard Josh Carter, who leads his team with 12.9 points per game. "We knew this stretch was gonna be difficult. It didn't turn out the way we would have liked for it to. We need to start winning games now."

 

Football

New twist to the Marve story. Oklahoma is not interested in Robert Marve.


As for Marve, we may never know why OU suddenly appeared on his list. Marve, who was disciplined several times this past season by Miami coach Randy Shannon, has said he will wait until after the Feb. 4 signing date to make his decision.

Based on a text conversation Monday and a follow-up telephone interview Tuesday with Stoops, I'd say you could definitely rule out the Sooners.

Stoops was recruiting in St. Louis yesterday when I reached him via cell phone. He declined to mention any specific names, but was obviously referring to Marve when he said, "a lot of things out there are inaccurate or simply not true.

"We like the quarterbacks we already have."

Past recruiting classes have put Colorado and Texas A&M in a tough position.

Playing football in Texas is a blessing and a curse. There's tons of talent, but unless you're on top of it, the pick of the litter tends to end up at Texas and Oklahoma. Both programs are now annually atop college football but not long ago Texas A&M trumped both under R.C. Slocum and their "Wrecking Crew" defense. Slocum ruled from 1989 to 2002, but peaked between 1990 and 1995 never losing more than three games including four straight 10-plus win seasons.

Slocum left wisely, a few years into the hires of Mack Brown at Texas and Bob Stoops at Oklahoma. The Aggies have not been the same since. Mind you, they've snuck in a win over hated rival Texas here and there, but rode secretive coach Dennis Franchione and his ground-based offense out of town. Quiet, uncharismatic Mike Sherman is the new sheriff, promising a pro-style approach that may entice recruits but has had minimal collegiate success anywhere but the most talented of programs.

The Aggies have already moved past the 2009 season. They are looking forward to 2010 and 2011.

 

 

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The downside to the sport of football. CNN looks at the damage concussions can do and the impact on a player's health and life.

Another look at the recruiting process. Some teams take a less talented player to snag a much more prized recruit.

"You'll see it a couple of times every year," said Tom Lemming, a recruiting expert for CBS College Sports Television. "BCS-type schools will try to bring in a buddy or a teammate to land a great player. And a lot of times it does work."

It's a calculated risk. Sometimes schools get stuck with the lesser player if the star decides to go elsewhere.

Dr. Saturday has Part Two of his look at recruiting rankings.

College football players should not lose their eligibility if they enter the draft.

Why should Sam Bradford or G.K. McCoy have to decide their future based on guesswork? If a college junior wants to make himself available for the draft, let the pros put their money where their mouth is.

You want a player? You draft him and you sign him.

The current system benefits the schools and the NFL, which has a free-of-charge, built-in farm system. It does not benefit the powerless players.

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1. Thank you for the daily updates – always starts my mornings off on the right Horn!
2. Texas vs. A&M is a top college football rivalry. Even at the current winning % – that would still mean that the Aggies are ruining your season once every 3 years. In addition, the rivalry is steeped in a very unique tradition that would stand up to any other football rivalry.
3. I am willing to give Baylor a tentative pass on the John Wall recruitment. It just does not make sense to make a personnel commitment to the Clifton for a player – that if he is truly impactful – will be there exactly one basketball season. I am hoping that Drew has learned from the transgressions of his predecessor, and does not sell the “soul” of the program for a one-year wonder.

by realmccoy on Jan 29, 2009 8:20 AM CST reply actions  

On #3

On the flip side, how incredulous is it that UAB might lose DeMarcus Cousins because they refused to add in a clause that would release Cousins from his NLOI if Mike Davis were fired? I’m no lawyer, and I’m not sure that’s allowed to be written into the NLOI, but if I’m the UAB AD, there’s no way I’m letting Mike Davis go if I can get Cousins on my basketball team. See Georgia Tech and its handling of the Derrick Favors/Paul Hewitt situation.

by jc25 on Jan 29, 2009 9:32 AM CST up reply actions  

on #2

actually i think the last 30 years it is pretty close win-loss record like 15-15 or 16-14 or somthing like that

i am too lazy to look it up so if anybody would like to and if i am wrong just let me know

"Hey, I think it's easy for guys to hit .300 and stay in the big leagues. Hit .200 and try to stick around as long as I did; I think it's a much greater accomplishment. That's hard."-- Bob Uecker

by dmurphnextrusygreer on Jan 29, 2009 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

yankee and longhorn fans

i forgot both like to live on past sucess

if you talk to a yankee fan they bring up their 26 titles but they dont relize they have done nothing in the past 9 years

and for longhorns they are quick to jump on all time record rather than recent games (now before i hear 2005 nat champ this 10 win season that) yall have had a better program than us in the past 10 years but we are talking about head to head not against anybody else

"Hey, I think it's easy for guys to hit .300 and stay in the big leagues. Hit .200 and try to stick around as long as I did; I think it's a much greater accomplishment. That's hard."-- Bob Uecker

by dmurphnextrusygreer on Jan 29, 2009 3:53 PM CST up reply actions  

you're partially correct

in that A&M has the edge over the past 30 years. (Of course, A&M did end up going on probation at the end of their most recent period of dominance.) Texas has won 7 of the last 9, however, so it’s not like we’re the Yankees with no recent success.

by andy_wooster on Jan 29, 2009 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

well played

"Hey, I think it's easy for guys to hit .300 and stay in the big leagues. Hit .200 and try to stick around as long as I did; I think it's a much greater accomplishment. That's hard."-- Bob Uecker

by dmurphnextrusygreer on Jan 29, 2009 4:10 PM CST up reply actions  

like your handle by the way

 I always liked David Murphy from his days in the Red Sox minor league system. The Rangers sure violated the Red Sox in that Gagne trade.

by andy_wooster on Jan 29, 2009 4:15 PM CST up reply actions  

agreed

so are they sox going to trade buchholtz for salty?

"Hey, I think it's easy for guys to hit .300 and stay in the big leagues. Hit .200 and try to stick around as long as I did; I think it's a much greater accomplishment. That's hard."-- Bob Uecker

by dmurphnextrusygreer on Jan 29, 2009 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think so

The Red Sox are reportedly still talking to the Rangers about Salty, though it’s difficult to tell how much of that is a ploy for leverage, as they are still negotiating with Varitek.

However, I’m pretty sure the Red Sox won’t be trading Buchholz for Salty. If they were willing to do so, Salty would already be in Boston and Buck in Arlington. If they are indeed still negotiating with Texas, it’s probably to try and get the Rangers to accept Bowden, Masterson, or another lesser prospect for Salty.

Sorry for the off-topic.

by andy_wooster on Jan 29, 2009 5:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Be more wrong?

Every Yankees fan I know of is upset that it’s been as long a drought as it has. And yet, with 30 teams in Major League Baseball, one win every nine years would be well above the expected rate. I also wouldn’t call 7 trips to the post-season in the last eight years and 2 American League championships “nothing”. Then again, I don’t have the tendency towards hyperbole that’s so commonplace on blogs.

In terms of Texas, this board devotes a lot more time to talking about how to win the next championship than how great the last one was. Though that by no means is to say that we should forget history, but what evidence do you have that Texas fans live solely in the past?

What’s most humorous though, is that you say this after bringing up the last 30 years. Here’s a tip. Pick a stance and then stick to it.

by Meekrob on Jan 29, 2009 7:19 PM CST up reply actions  

a top college football rivalry?

  Sure, from the perspective of a Texas fan, it’s one of our two most important rivalries. But it’s not a rivalry that registers much on the national level.

by andy_wooster on Jan 29, 2009 3:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Because we aren't good

Rivalries register on a national level when the games have much at stake. Remember in the ‘90s when nobody gave a rat’s ass about the Red River Shootout. Both programs were mired in mediocrity and turmoil and the only people that cared were the fans of the perspective schools. Now that both OU and UT are great, it might be the preeminent rivalry in college football right now. Same thing when FSU and Miami was an elite rivalry. Now that both programs are on the downside nobody really cares. Same thing with Michigan and Ohio State. If Michigan continues to pull out 3-9 seasons that rivalry will lose national appeal and ESPN won’t be doing a count down of the game.

If or whenever we get back to being an elite program and there is alot at stake like the Big 12 South Title then the rivalry game will register nationally.

One thing I would love to see is an 11-0 Texas vs. 11-0 Texas A&M game. Maybe someday. You guys will probably hold that end of the bargain next year, but we may never reach that level any time soon.

SHOW ME YOUR LIGHTNING BOLT!!!!!!!!!!

by PrimeTime2012 on Jan 29, 2009 7:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Disturbing, but unsurprising, news about concussions

I think when we as football fans get caught up in the glory of Saturdays and Sundays, we forget the enormous physical toll that the game takes on the players, who are expected to lay their body on the line. It’s a vicious, vicious game and it’s clear that the long-term effects are only now beginning to be understood.

by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Jan 29, 2009 8:45 AM CST reply actions  

True.

I have friends that played at the college level, some going on to the NFL. Most have medical issues now and some have even had replacement surgery on knees, shoulders, etc.. These guys are about my age I’m not that old. :-) There is a downside to gridiron glory.

by dimecoverage on Jan 29, 2009 8:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Makes me wonder...

The love of the game that these players demonstrate must be what keeps them going for 10+ seasons. Given the physical toll on your body, I think I would be tempted to take my pro money, bank it all for a few seasons, and then get out of the game and live on some nice interest.

by TXinDC on Jan 29, 2009 8:59 AM CST up reply actions  

There was that article a long time ago

Maybe someone can relink it if they remember it more clearly, but it talked about teams having a psychiatrist on board, or more to the point how very few actually do.

In interviewing one of them, he said something to the effect of, the smart players do exactly what you say, play for 3-5 years and get out to do something else with their lives. Guys usually that we never hear of because they are gone too quickly. That on top of the physical toll, there is an incredible mental toll as well, where failure is so looked down upon, and success so rare, that emotionally it destroys people as well. That the happiest players are usually the ones who have left long before their prime is up.

Granted, there are many exceptions to this, but it was still an interesting read about the mental health of players on top of the more obvious physical. I think it was part of one of the VY discussions when his shenanigans went on this year.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Jan 29, 2009 9:18 AM CST up reply actions  

I think I may have read that article, or something similar to it

It was had something to do with a former Ohio State player quitting the NFL after only 2-3 years. He was a good, solid player, was taken in the early to mid rounds of the draft, and was expected to be a solid contributor for years to come.

He decided to take the money he had made and retire. The psychiatrist in the article talked about how many players in the locker room are really secretly jealous of him for being secure enough financially and psychologically to quit.

by Beergut on Jan 29, 2009 4:16 PM CST up reply actions  

A name from the past.

Former Longhorn basketball coach Tom Penders blames all the ugliness surrounding his player’s unfortunate “accident” of stepping on another player’s face and then laughing on ESPN.

by dimecoverage on Jan 29, 2009 9:01 AM CST reply actions  

The Texan Article reminds me of why I never read the Texan when on the 40 Acres....

I think it might be oversimplifying things to argue that rivalries are purely based on winning percentages. A&M and Texas are surely rivals, regardless of how many lopsided the series in football is.

by the1austin on Jan 29, 2009 9:36 AM CST reply actions  

Hearing the TV call us and Baylor rivals before the basketball game was laughable though.

23-0 do not rivals make.

I think the back and forth is helpful to start a rivalry. Us and Nebraska had a great thing going at the start of the big 12, unfortunately NU hasn’t held up its part of the bargain (arguable neither have we).

by BoddickerIsClutch on Jan 29, 2009 9:52 AM CST up reply actions  

the football analysis is gag-inducing

the position breakdowns are always wrong and the writers have a very lofty tone in their articles as if they are experts. Everything is oversimplified “Texas’ defense is good, Missouri’s is bad, so I give Texas the edge in this one” to paraphrase. Lots of generalizations that make you smack your forehead “Texas doesn’t play pass defense b/c they are ranked 99th in passing yards allowed, I think we give up too many yards”. The overall lack of polish is just irritating. Guess I’m spoiled. Good thing BON exists.

by owenh on Jan 29, 2009 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

That Wall thing happens all the time.

Its so common place in college hoops now and its disgusting. I remember when Mario Chalmers was at Kansas his dad was in charge of basketball operations or something and then once Mario left for the NBA his dad resigned. Nobody thought anything of it. It was so blatant that nepotism and favoritism were involved and that he was merely working there because of his son. The worst part was that when the announcers mentioned it they didn’t see anything wrong with it. Its disgusting, but the NCAA can’t do anything about it. Every school can hire whoever they want.

SHOW ME YOUR LIGHTNING BOLT!!!!!!!!!!

by PrimeTime2012 on Jan 29, 2009 1:08 PM CST reply actions  

After reading your post

I don’t think you understand the concepts of nepotism or it’s redundant cousin favortism.

-rBr-

by run Bevo run on Jan 29, 2009 2:56 PM CST up reply actions  

There’s actually been a lot of speculation that some university is going to hire Jim Jeffcoat as a DL Coach in order to get a commitment out of his son Jackson next year. I’ll be interesting to see what happens.

by hodad on Jan 29, 2009 3:53 PM CST up reply actions  

so

do you have a problem with texas paying HS head coaches outrageous sums of money to come work their summer basketball camps, in order to steer those coaches’ stud players to texas? It happens all the time.

The only interesting thing to me about the Wall situation is that his AAU coach has no high school or college experience whatsoever.

Kansas State is still paying Michael Beasely’s AAU coach $400,000 a year to work on their staff.

by Beergut on Jan 29, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions  

that texan article is idiotic

texas has lost, what, 3 in a row to A&M in women’s basketball going into last night, where they made it 4 in a row?

It may not be a “rivalry” in that writer’s estimation, but that really doesn’t matter, b/c the texas women are getting punked by A&M right now.

As for football, texas’ overall record in the series really helped them on the field in ’06 and ’07.

As for the fanhouse article on football recruiting, recuiting doesn’t matter at all if you fail to develop talent. Otherwise, the ’06 and ’07 games would have never happened.

by Beergut on Jan 29, 2009 4:26 PM CST reply actions  

I love it when opposing fans resort to

women’s basketball trash talk.

You shouldn’t discount the history of this rivalry, because it is the only thing that gives A&M a claim to a rivalry of national importance. A&M beat us in ‘06 and ’07, as did K State. That doesn’t make your program relevant. The worst thing about being an Ag is that even when you beat Texas, the headline is “Texas Loses” not “A&M Wins”.

A&M is the fifth best athletic program in the Big 12 South. And Baylor is creepin.

by ctex80 on Jan 29, 2009 4:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I could give a rat's ass

about women’s basketball.

I just used it to point out how stupid that article is.

It looked to me like that writer was supposed to do a preview of the women’s basketball game (an obvious crap assignment) and looked at the overall record, and decided to talk about how rivalries aren’t really rivalries.

The biggest rivalries in college football (Army-Navy, Michigan-Ohio State, etc.) have fairly close overall records, but a final record doesn’t matter in a rivalry. Is Alabama-Auburn any less intense even though ’Bama has the upper-hand in that rivalry?

The worst thing about being an Ag is that even when you beat Texas, the headline is "Texas Loses" not "A&M Wins".

Lemme guess, you don’t read any newspaper published outside of Austin, do you?

A&M is the fifth best athletic program in the Big 12 South. And Baylor is creepin.

You are apparently confused on the difference between the football program and the athletic department as a whole.

by Beergut on Jan 29, 2009 5:14 PM CST up reply actions  

A&M and Texas are rivals becuase of history, tradition, and geography.

Not because A&M have won 4 in a row in the mighty collegiate sport of women’s basketball. Rivalries in Texas aren’t won and lost on a Wednesday night in front of 800 people watching women’s hoops, the dominant team at any given point is the one that is consistently winning in football.

I’ll take 7 of the last 9.

And….. Arkansas State.

by the1austin on Jan 29, 2009 5:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Beergut once again shows his true douchebaggery...

and general stupidity. Athletics is men’s sports, not women’s. I would rather have 1 men’s national championship than 5 women’s.
Since atm sucks so bad at the real sports, they love to brag about their women’s sports and winning the lone star state farm who cares? contest.
We’re Texas.

by SneezyBeltran on Jan 30, 2009 1:24 AM CST reply actions  

P.S. Scott Drew is dirty

It has been well documented that Bobby Knight and Rick Barnes don’t like the guy and his recruiting tactics….talked shit about them and other Big XII teams to get umm…Tweety Carter, haha…yeah…

by SneezyBeltran on Jan 30, 2009 1:26 AM CST reply actions  

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