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NATIONAL CHAMPS 2008!

You tell your kids that in 2008 the Longhorns were NATIONAL CHAMPIONS! They don’t need some bs system to tell them otherwise. Any of you guys that are throwing around terms like “ugly win” and “not our best effort” are getting sucked into the mary kay cosmetics game that screwed us in the first place. WE WON! That was Ohio State out there not boise. Honestly, on Friday morning, Texas, usc, utah and thursday night’s winner can claim a national championship. What a bullshit system that yields 4 teams claiming to be the best. Hats off to Mack Brown and Pete Carroll for making the statements that they did.  I know this is just football, but great leaders make bold statements like that in pursuit of a greater cause (in this case a college football playoff) and are not afraid of the repercussions that might follow.  Hook’em…NATIONAL CHAMPS 2008!

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We all know it's flawed

But it is what it is. We won’t be recorded as national champs, nor will Utah or USC. I have already accepted that. It doesn’t make me less proud of these guys, who turned in one of the best and surprising seasons in Texas history. If I’m sad for anyone, it’s for the players of all the snubbed teams, who poured their heart and soul in the season only to have their fate decided by misinformed and biased voters and a convoluted computer system.

This year, it could have worked for us, but it didn’t. I’m sure we’ll be on both sides of the controversy again in the future if the system continues that long. OU will get their time getting screwed by the BCS as everyone else does.

by TheElusiveShadow on Jan 6, 2009 1:27 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who cares?

We know we are the best. That’s all that really matters.

Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.

by Caradoc on Jan 6, 2009 1:29 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well who are the 2 teams playing for the BCS "championship"?

OU vs Florida

We already beat ou on a neutral field, and Florida lost at home to Colt McCoy’s back-up Jevan Snead. So I’m already convinced that neither team is the best in the country, just the most hyped.

by urbanzero on Jan 6, 2009 2:54 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmmm...

“Florida lost at home to Colt McCoy’s back-up Jevan Snead”. The same team that man-handled the one that beat you guys? Lets not play the transitive game here…

Here we go again: http://thefulldeck.blogspot.com/

by ejruiz on Jan 6, 2009 9:43 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lets Clarify the "Crap" comment with the facts.

Not to sound like a Mccoy basher, he is a tremendous player and an excellent candidate for the Heisman in 2009. But lets focus on the facts from the only game that Snead in which was allowed any significant playing time.

From Wikipedia:

“"During the November 11, 2006 game against Kansas State University, McCoy suffered a stinger shoulder injury while rushing for a touchdown on the very first drive of the game. The Longhorns trailed by 21 points in the second half and Snead brought them within 3 points of tying the game. However, the Longhorns failed to recover an on-sides kick and UT lost in an upset to the Wildcats 45-42. The game has the distinction of being the most points ever scored by a UT team in a losing effort. UT defensive coordinator Gene Chizik said "The quarterback had a great night and we just didn’t play great sudden-change defense”. Head coach Mack Brown also had praise for Snead’s performance coming off the bench, adding “If he plays in the game in two weeks, he’ll be much more ready.”""

by skycaptain on Jan 6, 2009 6:30 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmmmm +

In his first true year as a starter, Snead beat Florida, almost beat Alabama and lost a couple of games by almost no points. Now, is he as good as Mccoy, we won’t know until one or both get to the Pro’s. Frankly I would bet on Snead. Seems like Snead did a pretty good job on Tech, oh wait, that is the team that beat us (easily, I might add). Only way to fix this is with a playoff, right now the team that should be most irritated is Utah.

by skycaptain on Jan 6, 2009 1:28 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Easily?

They played the most perfect half in Leach history and still held on for dear life at the end, surviving an easy pick and scoring a TD with one second left. I wouldn’t call that easy.

by TheElusiveShadow on Jan 6, 2009 1:39 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I +1000000000000 this fanpost

It is a retarded system. You beat Oklahoma, won a bigtime bowl game. This is a national championship season. All the politics award one winner, but it’s a championship caliber season with no other team (save Utah) having much of a better case than Texas.

Hook Em! Great game. Even that first half was great football by both teams. Reminded me of an NFL game, which I prefer. Lots of great plays, not necessarily leading to tons of points. Good special teams, good coaching, hard hitting. Finally a Bowl lived up.

by Blitzburgh on Jan 6, 2009 3:14 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and then of course

The second half is why college football games can be so special. I think we all knew it wasn’t anywhere near over when Colt had 2 minutes left. Barrage of entertaining plays and tense moments after that odd first half. Great game!

by Blitzburgh on Jan 6, 2009 3:16 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Logic

You can’t insult the system, and then use the system to declare your dominance.

“BCS games don’t determine champions” : “Winning the BCS Fiesta Bowl makes us the champion!”

Note: I’m not actually using the quotes as quotes, I’m just thinking up example phrases.

If the system doesn’t produce a logical national champion, then no national champion can be awarded in your eyes by any standards. Especially not by your (hopefully) admittedly biased viewpoint.

by carsondude on Jan 6, 2009 3:24 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Aggie Logic...

The Texas A&M football coach walked into the locker room before a game, looked over to his star player and said, “I’m not suppose to let you play since you failed math, but we need you in there. So what I have to do is ask you a math question, and if you get it right, you can play.”

The player agreed, and the coach looked into this eyes intently and asks, “Okay, now concentrate……what is two plus two?”

The player thought for a moment and then he answered, “Four?”

“Four”?!?" the coach exclaimed …. excited that he got it right.

At that, all the other players on the team began screaming, “Come on coach, give him another chance.”

ATX

by Atownatx on Jan 6, 2009 8:12 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Longhorn Logic...

Respond to a debate by posting a completely unrelated and unfunny Aggie joke.

I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you were responding to a different post, or maybe you’re still a little drunk from last night. Either way, not a coherent response to what I wrote.

P.S. Considering the A&M athletic program has a higher graduation rate than the UT program, the joke itself really only insults Longhorns BTW.

by carsondude on Jan 6, 2009 1:21 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

“If the system doesn’t produce a logical national champion, then no national champion can be awarded in your eyes by any standards.”

if a national champion must be “awarded”, is it really a national champion? And if your “system” for awarding such a “champion” regularly implodes upon itself by design, just how legitimate is it?

Also, btw, your “example phrases” are new to me. I haven’t heard anybody say that “…games don’t determine champions.” Nor have I heard anyone make the argument that "Winning the BCS Fiesta Bowl makes us the champion!" Any claims I’ve heard advanced as to our worthiness have tended to take the season as a whole… and playing the most difficult schedule in the nation (and you can feel free to argue that, and I’ll be wanting to see another 4-game stretch to compare to ours, ending in a night game away versus a team that’s significantly and dramatically better at home than away… or, failing that, a legitimate coach who will look at our schedule as it was and choose to play it rather than their own.) and coming within a dropped INT/last second TD of navigating it successfully. But you’re right, winning a tough game against a quality opponent when your ‘A’ game is missing… that’s a sign of a championship-caliber team.

oh, and also – congrats on the “higher graduation” rate, but… they still only get aTm degrees…

by Pflash on Jan 6, 2009 2:33 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I thought a dumb remark deserved an equal dumb response.

IMO I think that the poster was expressing his distaste for the BCS system and not actually making the statement that we should entitle ourselves as the champions of the MNC. If he/she does believe that I would have to agree with you on that point. Additionally, I believe the poster was expressing his/her opinion regarding the negative press UT has received in the last 24hrs regarding last nights game and through the season. This I do agree with and believe that the media has unequally measured UT’s season all year. The various media outlets stating that last nights game shouldn’t match up with Utah’s or USC’s wins IMO has no merit. Texas played a different Ohio State team then the one that lost to USC early in the season. Furthermore, Ohio State also had a month and half to prepare for UT. Texas also does not get choose their opponent and if they did I doubt they would choose a team ranked 10th. Either way the argument is moot due Texas, Utah, or USC virtually having no chance at any piece of the MNC. The level of the institutions academics can be argued in various different ways for example, the graduation rate could reflect on the institution as a whole (regarding the quality of education the athlete is receiving) or that we send more players to the pros before graduation then the Aggies do which would lower the graduation rate. FYI Texas Ranks 15th out of all of the public institutions and TAMU is 24th. Either way I believe both institutions have quality educational systems and that statement has no barring on your original argument. So cool your jets agro.

ATX

by Atownatx on Jan 6, 2009 4:46 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i am one longhorn fan to not endorse the split claim of the MNC. i vehemently denied it when usc tried to do it, and i’d deny it if they tried to give it to us now. regardless of the ohio state game.

if you’re not in the NC game, you do not deserve to be called the NC. that’s my opinion. and yes, i agree the system is broken.

by Displaced Longhorn on Jan 6, 2009 8:13 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree

The MNC was out of the picture when OU went to the big 12 championship game. We argued about it, and even whined and cried about it, but that has passed, let it go already.

Enjoy the win and reveille in a 12-1 season, it was a great ride with a great group of players and coaches. But we arent National Champions on anyones scale, accept it and move on, next year is coming.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Jan 6, 2009 8:22 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

While it would...

be nice to have a split MNC but realistically it just isn’t going to happen. These kids accomplished more than any other team in college football. Being picked to finish third in the Big XII South at the beginning of the season and actually finishing third in the BCS is quite an accomplishment (pending final BCS standings). I have to say I am proud of these kids and to say I am Longhorn fan.

ATX

by Atownatx on Jan 6, 2009 8:39 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dude

Just because you say it…doesn’t actually make it true. And if that is the case…isn’t claiming that we won the National Championship sort of aggiesh?

Why not be happy with the Fiesta Bowl win and a great season? Claiming National Champs for 2008 would make us sound delusional and pathetic.

by Hippie Killer on Jan 6, 2009 9:41 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Brown and Carroll

These two “brave” coaches only seem to fight for a playoff when their teams are on the outside looking in. The SEC and its coaches have long been on the record in favor of a playoff, even though I am not.

Here we go again: http://thefulldeck.blogspot.com/

by ejruiz on Jan 6, 2009 9:44 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why not? nt.

Muschamp seems like the kind of guy who used to beat up guys like Bob Stoops in high school.

by TheJeezus on Jan 6, 2009 11:46 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's Not Better.

Here’s my breakdown prior to the bowls that shows how various different systems would fail. Remember, it not only has to be reasonable, but feasible as well. The BCS is not perfect, but playoffs aren’t either.

Here we go again: http://thefulldeck.blogspot.com/

by ejruiz on Jan 6, 2009 1:37 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm so sick of this argument
Again I ask: does anyone think the New York Giants were a better team than the New England Patriots in the NFL last year?…were the Cards the best team in MLB in 2006 and were the Rockies the best team in the NL in 2007 or did they just get hot at the right time and take advantage of a system that rewards games late in the year over those played earlier?

Playoffs and tournament formats aren’t about finding out who the better team is. They’re about determining a champion. And those are often two different teams. I’m not interested in some one telling me who the best is; I’m interested in them showing me who the winner is.

I notice that your breakdown cherry picks two playoff systems (4 team and 8 team) that would present problems with this season’s crop of top teams. How convenient that it doesn’t address a 12 or 16 team format! That said, any playoff system is going to leave teams on the outside looking in, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try to give as many deserving teams as possible a shot at a championship. Your argument that, since any playoff system will have its flaws, and, therefore, would be worse than the current flawed system, falls flat.

Finally, I have a favor to ask of you. Call the NFL home office tomorrow and ask them how the intensity of their regular season was. Call a Pittsburgh Steelers’ fan and ask him if his matchups against Tennessee and Baltimore lacked intensity. Call Fox and ask them what their ratings looked like this season. Then come back and tell me that a playoff takes away from the intensity.

Muschamp seems like the kind of guy who used to beat up guys like Bob Stoops in high school.

by TheJeezus on Jan 6, 2009 4:03 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You are wrong.

Mack Brown has long been in favor of a playoff. He does not just want it when it suits his team. And if you can show me where Urban Meyer says he wants a playoff, I would appreciate it.

by billb on Jan 6, 2009 11:47 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're Welcome.

Notice how that was in 2006, when we were busy winning the BCS Championship, not when we were getting “screwed” by it. Care to show me Brown’s comments? From 2005 would be perfect, but I’ll take any year that his team wouldn’t have benefited from it.

Here we go again: http://thefulldeck.blogspot.com/

by ejruiz on Jan 6, 2009 1:34 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Uggg...

I suck at this. Let me try it again. Here’s the link

Here we go again: http://thefulldeck.blogspot.com/

by ejruiz on Jan 6, 2009 1:34 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The November 12 2006 poll

Which is the week BEFORE this article came out Florida was 3 in one poll and 4 in the other. Which means they were on the outside looking in when Meyer decided he wanted a playoff, good to see he is a selfless martyr and in no way self serving.

by billb on Jan 6, 2009 1:53 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Apologies.

I was wrong about Mack on this one and I’m not ashamed to admit t. Thanks to everyone for politely pointing things out.

by ejruiz on Jan 6, 2009 3:23 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No worries

Good luck and beat the hell out of OU .

by billb on Jan 6, 2009 6:46 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Will Do.

I hoe to hell we do and, if it happens, I’ll drink one for the Longhorns.

by ejruiz on Jan 7, 2009 6:43 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Heres from 2002

Hes on record as early as 2000 saying that he is for a playoff.

http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-8937740_ITM

Seriously, you are barking up the wrong tree with Mack.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Jan 6, 2009 1:42 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Try last season

He advocated a four team playoff. How exactly would we have benefitted from that? We went 10-3 and went to the holiday bowl.

Muschamp seems like the kind of guy who used to beat up guys like Bob Stoops in high school.

by TheJeezus on Jan 6, 2009 3:21 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Focus on the Facts

Since someone brought up Snead, I will chime in. If Snead and Mccoy had both been true freshman, Snead would have easily one the starting position. Argue all you want, but at the end of the day Snead did a heck of a job in Mississippi. Oh, by the way, they manhandled Tech, the same way that Tech manhandled Texas. You can complain all day about almost winning at Tech, and we easily beat Oklahoma, but the facts are clear. Texas lost to Tech and barely beat an Ohio State team that frankly should not be in competition for the championship. McCoy is pretty good, but so is Harrell, Tebow, Snead etc. Ultimately it comes down to winning with style and panache and overwhelming control, something Texas did not do well this season.

The only way to fix this argument is with a playoff, then Texas, USC, Florida, Oklahoma, etc. would have an legitimate claim to the title. Right now, we should be voting for Utah, but clearly that won’t happen. I think if you everyone complained to their senators, representatives, etc. you might have a shot at fixing this travesty.

by skycaptain on Jan 6, 2009 12:26 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That is your first post?

I wonder if you really should be saying “we” when referring to Texas.

by Wells on Jan 6, 2009 12:41 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Houston, we've found our problem...

“Ultimately it comes down to winning with style and panache and overwhelming control…”

and there’s the sad legacy of 2008…

by Pflash on Jan 6, 2009 2:42 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Houston, we certainly have a problem.

You know, this system is no better than the judging at the Olympics. Anytime you have subjective analysis and personal feelings involved in a judging process, there will never be agreement. Just ask Utah how they feel, especially since many of the voters have recently admitted that they, not once this year, even saw a Utah game even though they were quite happy to vote on their ranking.

by skycaptain on Jan 6, 2009 6:22 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Big 12 and a few seconds

Kirkendoll stretches for the first down. 16 seconds left in the game to take the lead. Little things like that helped Texas beat a mediocre, wouldn’t have been in the BCS had Oregon State not lost Ohio State team that tanked a field goal and two other extra-point tries. It didn’t take a genius to figure out to stuff the box when Pryor was QB and rush only 4 when Boeckman QB’d … and remember, this is a Buckeye team that has done poorly in the last 2 BCS games and they made this one close.

Mack can vote however he wants. It’s his prerogative. If I were him, I’d vote myself No. 1 and use my resume to back it up.

As for the Big 12 South, if OU loses Thursday then the stud division in the country goes 1-3 in bowl games with its only win being a nailbiter against the second-best team from a conference that’s on its way to going kerplunk. Makes you wonder how tough the division really was. Or does it? Does Texas and the conference need a win by OU on Thursday? I’d say so. First, it would add some muscle to the argument that Big 12 is one of the best, and secondly it would dethrone the SEC dominance.

"Excuse me while I whip this out."

by FreedomDip on Jan 6, 2009 12:49 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Focus on the Facts-Part Two

Since someone questioned my belonging to the Texas Fan base and my use of "We " when referring to Texas, let me offer some clarification. I watched Darrell Royal and his teams for years. I met James Street and Steve Worster back in the day, and I attended the University, so lets be careful with our observations. Having said that, my point is still valid. For Texas to have a truly legitimate complaint in this years rankings, they would have had to lay waste to Ohio State. In truth, they barely won. Don’t get me wrong, it was a very exciting game, but not one that can convince an arbitrary panel of voters to put them ahead of Oklahoma, Florida, Utah or even USC. The only way to fix this is to aggressively push the coaches, a.d.‘s, and colleges to institute a playoff system. Until that time, this is just a whine fest, and it just happens to be Texas’s year to whine. Next year, Texas could very well win the championship and Mccoy could win the Heisman. But to do either of those things, in this environment, you must be absolutely devastating when you have the chance. Texas did neither.

by skycaptain on Jan 6, 2009 12:56 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

HornsChamp?

Did you get a new moniker?

by Wells on Jan 6, 2009 2:40 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Sorry, but I'm not joining the flock today.

Today it is popular among fans and media to apply the cosmetics test (we didn’t put up a big enough win) or the six degrees of separation test (we beat them, they lost to them, bullshit, bullshit, etc.). Think outside the box people, don’t be one of the sheep. This team isn’t as talented or as pretty as others but this teams wins. You know it. You saw it last night and you saw it all season long.

Richard Justice, with a little sarcasm, argues the point much better than I:

http://blogs.chron.com/sportsjustice/archives/2009/01/go_ahead_and_ad_1.html

by kellen on Jan 6, 2009 2:47 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This Logic Works

I would like nothing better than to see a team that “Wins” in a championship tournament. That way a team with heart and drive, and of course pretty good talent, can have a shot at being the best. This is a perfect year to say that Texas did not have the chance to prove themselves in the championship spotlight. Could they have won it all, maybe. They certainly should have been given their chance.

by skycaptain on Jan 6, 2009 6:25 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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