More Fiesta Fodder: Greg Davis, Continued
Offensive game planning. Reader BMG makes an excellent point about one of the key limitations Greg Davis and Colt McCoy have been dealing with all season: the lack of a receiving option at tight end. It's easy to forget, given the enormous success in the passing game this season, but ever since Blaine Irby was lost for the season against Rice, Texas has been severely constrained in how it can attack a defense.
Against Oklahoma, Davis' brilliantly slid Shipley to a tight end-like role to exploit their weakness in the middle of the field. Throughout the season, in fact, the passing offense has been at its best when Davis has spread the field four- and five-wide, letting robo-Colt slow-bleed the life out of the opposition. Death by a thousand pin pricks, you might say.
Even so, there has to be room in the game plan for some shots down the field. Texas' offensive line wasn't A-grade as a run-blocking unit this year, but as a pass protecting group they more than held their own. When you factor in the O-Line's pass blocking with the options available in OG as an extra pass blocker, there's no real excuse for not taking some well-timed shots down the field. Where BMG is right that the lack of a receiving tight end limited what we can do systematically, it's not enough to explain a wholesale disregard for downfield passing. Even a handful per game to keep the defense honest would have been worth the effort.
In the end, I'd give Davis an A-/B+ on the season, with a few disappointing efforts (Tech, both OSUs) holding back his final grade.
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Couldn't have said it better...
I think people underestimate how well Greg Davis does his other job: Quarterback coach. He exploits McCoy’s strengths(short incredibly accurate passes) perfectly. Mccoy’s strength is not in his downfield passing, and GD has made sure to not take too many risks unless handed to him in a platter(Malcolm Williams streaking past a stumbling Tech defender for a 93 yard touchdown).
That being said I think his weakness is his consistent run play calling from the shotgun. Its been discussed in detail on this blog, as to how bad the shotgun formation can be for a running game. Mccoy’s first snap under center came on the first drive of the SECOND HALF. It yielded 8 yards on a run by Fozzy I believe. That simply has to change.
by thebrat on Jan 6, 2009 2:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Shotgun doesn't prevent running
Some of the best run teams in the country run primarily a shotgun attack. In fact, it is just the opposite
Name Avg. STYLE
Oregon 6.22 GUN
Nevada 6.09 GUN
Florida 5.96 GUN
La.-Lafayette 5.94 ?
California 5.57 PRO
Georgia Tech 5.55 FLEXBONE
Oklahoma St. 5.48 GUN/MIX
Tulsa 5.43 GUN
Navy 5.32 FLEXBONE
West Virginia 5.28 GUN
Kent St. 5.25 ?
Penn St. 5.24 GUN
Houston 5.16 GUN
Missouri 5.16 GUN
Ball St. 5.09 GUN
So, the top 3 rushing attacks run GUN and 10 of the top 16 do (could be more as I don’t know what some of the ? teams run)
by FSUncensored on Jan 6, 2009 2:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Let him be QB coach only....
and let’s get a better OC.
He has proven to be a great QBs coach.
"Football's so important in Texas. On the West Coast, it's a social. On the East Coast, it's a culture. Here, it's a religion."
-- Major Applewhite
by Sunkist on Jan 6, 2009 2:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yea, the guy really sucks...
4th in points scored; 9th in yards per game; Heisman trophy runner-up; 5-0 in last 5 bowl games; 3-0 in BCS bowls. Deserves immediate demotion.
by djwsatx on Jan 6, 2009 3:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I never said he sucks.
He’s good. I personally think we can hire a better, more creative, offensive coordinator. It’s frustrating watching him at times. Just when you think he’s retired his poor unimaginative gameplan, he brings it back at the worst of times. Do we always ahve to sit there and wait for his genius to begin? Why does he take so long to figure out what the other team is doing?
"Football's so important in Texas. On the West Coast, it's a social. On the East Coast, it's a culture. Here, it's a religion."
-- Major Applewhite
by Sunkist on Jan 6, 2009 4:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sigh
this is why we will NEVER be rid of Greg Davis; blind devotion and a sarcastic, holier-than-thou high-horse have overtaken just enough of our fanbase so as to deprive Mack of the unanimous criticism he would need to send him packing.
by BrooklynHorn on Jan 6, 2009 5:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
play calling in 1st half of Fiesta was WEAK!
I didn’t like running Ogy into that line early or those ‘bubble’ screens that the Buckeyes sniffed out every single time. They worked later only after we had gashed them over the middle or further down the sidelines. I had a really ugly Chris Simms flashback watching that first half of play calling because it made Colt look bad but it wasn’t really his bad at all.
Plus any idea why we didn’t see the Foz until second half? Rotating him and Ogy worked really well, and I look forward to a continued rotation with him and our other talented young RBs next year and in the future.
GD’s poor play calling in the first half and Colt being just a tad off combined to make the Buckeye Nation look vastly better than they really were. If we had run the pseudo-hurry up from the get go we’d have scorched the stickers off their helmets fo sho!
btw, nice post on the other OSU’s site PB, there’s obviously a bunch of bitter beer face going on over there right about now…
by longhornJ on Jan 6, 2009 2:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
OSU = pretty good defense; 7th rated defense in the country
We put up more yards on them than any opponent they played, including USC.
by djwsatx on Jan 6, 2009 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well.
I thought TX coulda-shoulda went vertical and also attacked the middle more often. But maybe tOSU had some good safeties.
They let nothing behind them until TX’s final score where the safety went for a break up and totally wiffed.
"...don't TAZE me, bro..."
by zE bOp on Jan 6, 2009 2:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Psst
Basketball tonight. Pass it on.
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.
by Caradoc on Jan 6, 2009 2:45 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
This offense was based around a short controlled passing attack. If you actually watched the games you would have noticed that we did throw “downfield” more than a handful of times per game. With the experience gained by Williams and Buckner no doubt we will be slightly more vertical next season. I have absolutly no argument with sustained drives, time of possession and touchdowns. It may not be flashy, but if it isn’t broken don’t fix it.
Look for the top priority in the spring to be on the run game.
by 71grad on Jan 6, 2009 2:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Straw man
I assure you I watched the game. And if you can point to me an instance when we threw the ball downfield other than the one second half pass to Williams, I’ll believe that you watched it, too.
More to the point, it’s silly to attack my argument as though I’m disappointed with touchdowns and sustained drives. Or that I gave Greg Davis a failing grade on the season. Attack my arguments on their merits, not the weakest possible interpretation of what I’m actually saying.
--PB--
by Peter Bean on Jan 6, 2009 2:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he meant to type didn't instead of "did",
and was talking about throughout the season. At least it makes sense if you read it that way. Nice double post, btw (jk)
by ctex80 on Jan 6, 2009 3:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
nevermind,
just re-read. PB, pass me the post editor, please.
by ctex80 on Jan 6, 2009 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
71grad doesn’t like criticism of any kind, as far as I can tell. He’s railing on Big Roy, too. I expect that no matter what I wrote his reply would be, “You know nothing compared to the coaches. Thank God you aren’t in charge.”
[shrug]
--PB--
by Peter Bean on Jan 6, 2009 3:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the only knock is creativity
GD has always been the kind of OC that lets players make plays as opposed to “engineering” a play via some sort of creative scheme or formation. And when you can move the ball down the field like we do (via thousand pin pricks) without any semblance of a TE or consistent RB, its hard to complain. Hence the solid “B” he deserves.
That said, I completely agree there is room for improvement which I think will come next year. Part of that is based on personnel with the return of a TE like Irby and Marshall who can stretch the middle of the field, as well as getting Fozzy, Tre Newton, or Chris Whaley the football. When you add components like that, and sprinkle in a dash of more physicality and playmaking at WR then I expect GD will add the last couple of pages to the play book.
Putting Colt under center a little more often and letting him run something more “pro style” would be my hope for next year. This would add play action, with a lone deep RB and would be a nice addition to this play book. Judging by the few clips I’ve seen of Chris Whaley this would seem to be the formation that would best suit his downhill running style, not to mention Vondrell’s and probably Tre’s. This wouldn’t be a seismic shift in the playbook, but just another look that would make sense given the talent that we are going to have at every position on offense.
by BMG on Jan 6, 2009 3:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Prefer execution to creative schemes
5 wide, empty backfield, hurry-up is pretty creative for Texas standards. Beats the hell out of the power I. We use shotgun because Colt is most comfortable in the shotgun. You don’t have to be creative to be effective – just execute your scheme to perfection, whatever, it is. That is the beauty of the Texas offense this season. Tremendous execution of a controlled passing game using the talents of an accurate passer who makes the right reads. It’s when we get too creative that things seem to mess up. The last drive was an example of incredible execution (although the 4th and 3 cut it a little too close). Same thing with VY – brilliant execution of the zone read scheme. If we didn’t have such an accurate passer who makes good reads like Colt, the scheme would not work because it would not be properly executed.
Amazing how Cosby was so open in such a predictable, uncreative offense at the end.
by djwsatx on Jan 6, 2009 3:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Scare Crow Part 2
If you’re responding to the post, you’re not responding to what was actually said.
--PB--
by Peter Bean on Jan 6, 2009 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Its like politics
both sides talk past each other and if you disagree with any part of their platform they assume you are the enemy.
by Wells on Jan 6, 2009 4:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You seriously think that Davis PREDICTED that ?
OSU would blitz and intentionally not cover a hot slant, but instead play loose man (8+ yd cushion)?
Interesting. I’m glad fans of all teams have differing opinions like this…
by FSUncensored on Jan 6, 2009 4:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I seriously think...
that his offensive scheme and preparation motivated Colt and Quan to make the read and execute the play based on OSU’s blitz look. Absolutely. Plays are often called on the field in audibles, aren’t they?
by djwsatx on Jan 6, 2009 4:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd give the players credit here.
While Greg Davis does sit down with them and tell them what to look for from the defense, I bet that was just the specialness of Quan and Colt. Players trusting each other. To me, the players made that play. Greg Davis was the seed of that specialness, but the excellent players came through.
"Football's so important in Texas. On the West Coast, it's a social. On the East Coast, it's a culture. Here, it's a religion."
-- Major Applewhite
by Sunkist on Jan 6, 2009 4:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well documented
how the last TD pass came to fruition has been well document. Colt and Quan recognized a formation they saw earlier in the game, and had already discussed how they would like to attack it. Both QB and WR recognized the blitz and knew that if Quan ran a slant behind the LBs he would only have to make one move to beat the safety.
Davis obviously coaches his guys well because neither would be capable of pulling of such clutch recognition and execution without him.
by BMG on Jan 6, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What bothers me is...
1. We won the game; won 12 games; won our third BCS in five years; won our fifth straight bowl game, yet, some can’t help but criticize because the game was close and won on the last series and not every offensive drive resulted in a touchdown. Enjoy the win, guys. Texas football has never been in better shape than it is right now. Give credit to the players and coaches and how about saving the criticism for a loss?
2. I like Muschamp. I think he has done a great job with our defense and will continue to improve our defense; however, our defense made some crucial mistakes last night. Yet, Muschamp gets a complete pass and no criticism while Davis is raked over the coals. Muschamp gets props because he is antimated on the side line and yells boom m.f on You Tube – however, he doesn’t have the touch of Midas – not everything he draws up works – and it is not going to against good football teams.
3. OSU is a good football team who only lost to two other good football teams and we beat them. Congratulations to all the players and coaches.
by djwsatx on Jan 6, 2009 5:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
What bothers me is...
That some fans seem unable to accept that another fan can both enjoy the win and have things he’d like see improve.
This isn’t rocket science.
--PB--
by Peter Bean on Jan 6, 2009 6:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps you are new here
But PB and the guys have given credit when GD deserves it and have often been the ones who caution against attacking the man too much just because we don’t score as much as we’d like. GD did some good things in this game, and yes, we did pile up a lot of yards on Ohio State. However, we were way too stagnant in the first half, and he made a few silly playcalls that killed a couple drives. You may notice if you read around here that Muschamp did NOT get a free pass.
We’re happy with the win against a good football team, but it shouldn’t have come down to that. That’s not all Greg Davis’ fault, but he sure made some goofs that we, as fans, can pinpoint. That doesn’t mean we can gameplan better than him or otherwise teach an offense better than him.
by TheElusiveShadow on Jan 6, 2009 7:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Read the post...
I would encourage you to read the post and pay particular attention to the words PB uses. One example: in the very post that you criticize PB for failure to give credit to the players (and specifically the coaches) PB notes that against Oklahoma Greg Davis “brilliantly” utilized Shipley as a faux (my word—not PB’s) TE. Not only is that “credit,” but it was high praise, and damn accurate high praise, at that. My suspicion is that the word “brilliant” was chosen carefully because the fact is that the utilization of Shipley in that fashion was, indeed, “brilliant.” It’s easy to see what you want and gloss over any compliments—of which there have been many—and focus solely on Greg Davis bashing. Most folks who read this blog regularly know that this year has probably seen as little criticism toward GD in many many years (note, I could be wrong about that statement, but I suspect I’m right).
Criticism is levied, to be sure, but it’s not done with malice and is done for the very reason you log onto this site…because you ostensibly bleed orange and care about the program, and most importantly—want it to get better and improve. As Peter notes, it is possible for a fan to enjoy an important victory, but simultaneously critique the victory. If you watched the game, and saw nothing you’d want to critique, then I’m not sure we all watched the same game.
Don’t make the mistake of thinking that criticism toward a player or coach or even another poster on this site is personal.
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by GAHorn on Jan 6, 2009 7:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What they said
Thanks, both.
--PB--
by Peter Bean on Jan 6, 2009 11:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Clarification
I agree in general with PB’s initial post. My points are really directed to the GD stinks-should be fired-deserves-no-credit crowd who do make personal attacks that are not based on reality. Every coach will have calls that work and don’t work. No coach is perfect. I just think it is time to move on from the tired-old fire GD talk because (1) it ain’t gonna happen as long as Mack Brown is in charge because GD is his alter ego and (2) his performance, in general and overall, the past five seasons deserves much more praise than criticism in developing two Heisman runner-up QB’s in completely different offensive systems that make the best use of their talents. Give me the names of another OC with better performance in the past five seasons? This offense has morphed each season to try and accomodate and make the best use of the personnel. Have there been hiccups along the way? Sure, but to have a top-ten offense with a scrawny scrub from Tuscola who nobody expected or predicted to be this good is damn fine coaching. And as with most coaches, you take the good with the bad. This is a great coaching staff proven by the exemplary results of the past five years.
by djwsatx on Jan 7, 2009 11:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Recruiting Tight Ends
Peter,
If the whole offense is adversely affected by the injury to a single TE, which many apprently believe it was, then this goes to recruiting. Why did UT find itself with only one decent TE apparently? Has this position been relatively ignored in recent recruiting years? And what are the prospects for next year?
"Only angry people win football games." --DKR
by OBdoc on Jan 7, 2009 9:01 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Two TEs were injured for the season
Josh Marshall was injured before the season started. Here is what Mack had to say about him on August 9th before he was knocked out for the year:
On Josh Marshall: Josh Marshall is to us what David Thomas or Bo Scaife potentially were when they got here and it became a really good story for us. He is also like Jermichael Finley, he’s a 220-pound wide receiver that is now 230 or 225 and can run faster against linebackers and safeties than he did against corners that could bump him. We feel like it is a really good move. Our tight end has become such a valuable down the field receiver for us that we want to keep speed at that position.
by Wells on Jan 7, 2009 10:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Great analysis PB
I agree with your points wholeheartedly and think you graded GD out well (A-/B+ is a very good grade). I was thinking the same thing about the vertical passing game Monday night as well… it really was non-existent except for that one ball to Malcolm Williams. I said as much in the game threads.
As far as Blake Gideon goes, he made a terrible play on Pryor in the endzone… I am not sure if that was lack of skills or just a flatline moment in his brain. The kid has been consistenly good all year… now Muschamp and Akina need to make him great. I think they can while also haveing other wonderful options like Christian Scott and Ben Wells. Just my two cents.
I am so Happy for the 12 wins this year, it is just incredible, who’d have thought back in August that this season would play out like this?
1 Peter 2:17
by HornsFan87 on Jan 8, 2009 11:06 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
To Gideon a little credit
The CB that was covering Pryor blitzed, forcing Gideon to run over and pick up Pryor after the ball was snapped and then make a play on the ball. While he did look lost, I think it would have been really hard for any safety to actually knock down the ball.
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