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DirecTV vs. Comcast vs. AT&T U-Verse

So a couple of days ago I'm flipping channels and I noticed that my ESPN Classic channel on my DirecTV set-up wasn't working. It had gone off just like the Versus channel back in early September. When I clicked on it for more info, DirecTV prompted me to do a series of actions including resetting the system as if this was just a temporary glitch. So I complied and followed their instructions but still no ESPN Classic.

Finally I called them and went through the whole process again only to finally be transferred to a live person who told me that they'd simply stopped offering ESPN Classic on my package, but that I could have it back if I was willing to pay $11 more a month for their "Sports Package." 

WTF? On the Versus channel, they have a nice explanation about Comcast being greedy as the reason that channel is no longer offered. But on ESPN Classic, their only explanation is it might be a glitch. 

Well I've had it. I'm DONE with DirecTV...or maybe I'm not. My problem is I don't know where to go from here. Nobody in the pay TV game seems to be legit. 

So I'd like to hear from various members of this forum on what the best provider and package is for someone like me who's just looking to watch a bunch of college football. I'd love to hear the pros and cons on all three providers so I can make an honest, intelligent, fiscally sound decision on who to subscribe to and hopefully help other members on this forum as well. 

May not be the best place to have this conversation, but it's a bye-week so I figure we've got some time. 

Thank you in advance.

54b

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AT&T

I swtiched over and love it. I have the best package, but if you go with a lower tier you can get all the sports stations for about $10 a month. I can watch football from every conference and see every coach show on the planet (talk about boring). ESPN Classic in included.

by dimecoverage on Oct 1, 2009 8:55 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Got U-Verse

Pay $133 a month, get over 300 channels, including 49 sports channels and 100 or so HD channels with 3.0 megs of internet, oh and Versus, lol. also get 3 receievers, dvr and can cut off service at any time with no charge.

love it

"We'll be baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!"

by greenspointexas on Oct 1, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

U-Verse is the dog's bollocks

With the upper tier HD package, you also get the NFL Network’s RedZone channel, which is like having the most talented channel surfer in the world working for you every Sunday.

Disciplina Praesidium Civitatis.

by zamm on Oct 1, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

redzone channel

sucks balls compared to DirecTv.

Then again, thats coming from an NFL fan and blogger.

Freel free to email me anytime at behindthesteelcurtain@gmail.com with questions, suggestions, complaints, etc, or to just say what's up. -Michael Bean (Blitz)

by Blitzburgh on Oct 2, 2009 3:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

probably so,

but it is basically free. That HD tier is like $5.00 more a month for a bunch of extra HD channels. I like it because I don’t have an NFL team, I just like to know what’s happening in the games. Hey-Presto!

Disciplina Praesidium Civitatis.

by zamm on Oct 2, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

had the nfl package w/ direct in the past

& nothing to complain about there. It just seems if I’m watching a game & switch over for a second, that second always becomes 10 minutes.

by hungry on Oct 2, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I imagine this will end up being a contentious thread.

I have TWC with HD ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN Classic, Versus, and FSN (plus channel 8 which if I recall shows small time games occasionally?). This pretty much covers all games except for those with directional state opponents. The problem with television providers as I see it is there is not enough competition because of barriers to entry. I have my choice between TWC and Grande as ATT does not service my complex. DirecTV is also out as my condo faces northwest and is unable to accommodate a dish. Such is life.

by UTexasCPA on Oct 1, 2009 8:56 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I had TWC then switched to Grande a few years ago, then went over to AT&T last June because I got so many more channels, DVR, etc. for less than what I was paying Grande. I haven’t looked at TWC in a while so I don’t know what their price structure happens to be now.

Over 400 channels and I watch maybe three total, that doesn’t the sports channels. I’m channel surfing every Saturday going back and forth between games.

by dimecoverage on Oct 1, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve got internet and the top HD package for under $100. The price probably could be better, but there just aren’t any alternatives for my area.

by UTexasCPA on Oct 1, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Comcast

I have Comcast and while it has been a pain sometimes, it is significantly cheaper than Verizon Fios and Direct TV in my area (plus I need internet as well). The regular prices aren’t cheaper, but every 6 months they try to bump me up to the regular price and I tell them I won’t pay that and they hook me up with another 6 month (or sometimes 1 year) deal which is substantially cheaper. I don’t get ESPNU, but I could for a few extra bucks. I just figure all of those games seem to be on ESPN360, which comcast now gets in my area.

by Texas Wahoo on Oct 1, 2009 9:12 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Promotions..

I was doing the every 6 month get a new promo deal for about 2 years. They’ve wised up… or my timing was just bad. Went from paying 80 to 100 to 130 a month for Cable & Internet over a 1 year period.. The last increase was the final straw. They agreed to bump it down to 110, but what’s the point? 6 months later it would be back to 130 again.

I now have comcast internet only and Dish for tv and am paying about 95 total.

by Orangechipper on Oct 1, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I haven't hit the wall yet

Last time the first two people I talked to said I couldn’t get another deal but the third one was the charm. It really matters who you talk to and whether they’re in a good mood.

by Texas Wahoo on Oct 1, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Normally...

Threatening to quit is the magic word. Didn’t work this last time. Talked to 3 different peeps. Good luck!

by Orangechipper on Oct 1, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

AT&T has one of the best DVRs

Which is a big plus. The other day I was watching a movie downstairs, turned off the tv/receiver, went upstairs to the spare bedroom to watch in bed, and it picks up right where I turned it off.

I came from Dish Network, which I loved, but wanted to go to fiber, so here are my thoughts in going from Dish Network to AT&T.

1. AT&T’s standard def stuff looks better, no question. Their HD looks good too, but they have some issues with their image processing that makes things like slow shots of zoomed out grass fuck up every 2 seconds as it re-decodes the image. *Note – I have a very critical eye for this sort of thing (I was pissed at compression artifacts in my Finding Nemo DVD), my wife thinks the AT&T HD looks better than Dish.

2. The HD Channels are in a separate number zone from the standard channels. I dont know what you are accustomed to, Im pretty sure that TWC does it this way as well. Say ESPN2 is channel 606, then ESPN2 HD is channel 1606. Easy enough? Well yes, but I spend all my time browsing the 1000’s channels, as I dont give a shit about standard def. This is both in the guide, and flipping channels. Dish has the channels doubly listed, for instance, if I were to hit 160 for ESPN, id arrive on ESPNHD. If for some reason I wanted the Standard Def version of the channel (more applicable to TNT and other heathens who refuse to NOT FUCKING STRETCH SD VIDEO), I just hit channel down. Then when browsing, Im browsing all my channels at once, not just those limited to HD.

3. The DVR skip on AT&T is annoying. On dish, it was forward 30s, back 10s. On AT&T its forward 45s, back 7s. Why does this matter? Ill record football games that I want to watch, but dont need to hear all the commentary. With a 30s skip, if you hit it right when a dude gets tackled, it starts again with QB under center. You can watch every single play of a game in about 30 minutes this way. With the AT&T dvr, I have to hit forward, then watch for the play to start, then hit back. It still works, but it doubles my button presses, and makes me have to pay attention more. Which annoys me. Also, the AT&T skip scans, not really skips, so its slower, and you see intermittant images. Which is actually necessary since its a 45s skip, and allows you to hit back when you see them line up. I read that they used to have the skip at 30s, so maybe it will be back one day.

4. This is my last nitpick, but when I hit channel up, I want my channel number to increase, always. Dish did this just fine. AT&T, in the guide lists the channels from top to bottom. So to go from channel 1 to channel 2, you press down. OK, I can deal. But what if you dont use the guide? Well then you press UP to go from Channel 1 to channel 2. Wha? Yes, depending on your screen, your channel up and down buttons will reverse functionality. This is retarded. Just list my channels in the guide from bottom to top, and we are good.

5. Ok good things, I have the big 10 network again. Not that I love big ten football, but its nice to have Akron vs NW in glorious HD, when Texas is on PPV. Dish started to charge extra for non-regional B10N, I got it as part of my package with AT&T.

6. Sports Multiview, they have a app where you can have 3 or 4 sports channels on the side, while watching one bigger in the center, allowing you to quickly and easily switch between then. This is kinda cool, but its not the HD feeds so…. meh. It is nice if there are more than 2 games that I’m interested in keeping up with, and want to drain my remote batteries by constantly switching. Theres also a news multiview, but I have never, and will never try that.

7. Additional shit. If you have a home phone, theres cool shit to do with that and your TV, like see people calling, voicemails etc. You can attach your U-Verse to your Flickr account and show people pictures of your exploits at halftime juts by changing channels. And the biggest one for me, you can say fuck you to the cable companies and their mutually agreed upon monopoly. By supporting their competition perhaps we will finally see them improve their product. Its started already, but the more the merrier. Also the Internet through U-Verse is better.

8. Oh yeah almost forgot, the online control of the DVR for U-Verse is the best ive seen so far. I also like that the DVR will write over programs as necessary to record what you are trying to record. On Dish, if you ran out of space, it would just stop recording. You can also set shows to not be overwritten automatically to prevent that from happening to your VY judged Beauty Contests.

I’m pretty critical, but U-Verse is a good product, and I would whole heartedly support AT&T, Verizon, DIsh, or DirectTV over ever going to Comcrapstic or TimetoboneyouWarner. I may have liked Dish Network slightly better for TV, but the DVR is great, and my freedom from TWC for internet is even greater.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Oct 1, 2009 9:27 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Reason #2,458 why I love this forum

That’s great stuff and much appreciated…hope I’m not the only one that benefits from this discussion.

Thank you all.

Be nobody but yourself in a world that desperately wants you to be like everybody else.

by 54b on Oct 1, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

One more note

While I was solely focused on Dish vs AT&T, its worthwhile to note that any satellite or fiber product will almost always look better in HD than cable, for the simple fact of available bandwith.

Heres an old, but good comparison of FiOS to Comcast, but the same would hold true with U-Verse to TWC.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1008271

And I know that I am visually critical, but everyone that I know that has gone from Cable to Satellite/Fiber says their picture quality improved.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Oct 1, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Satellite should not have better bandwidth than cable

Now that they don’t have to send the analog signals cable should have a much greater bandwidth that satellite. They just need to update their compression to a better standard.

by Wells on Oct 1, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The compression was something that really bugged me about Comcrap. The picture seemed to be below par quality for both standard and HD programs.

by burntorangehorn on Oct 2, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My understanding...

And I could be wrong…

Without recent competition, the cable companies would aim their compression to get (insert random number) 50 households per hub, which made for (insert random number) 30% compression. While the overall bandwidth of coax and cable is impressive, it was more indicative of their lack of need to provide the backend necessary to put say (insert random number) 25 households on a hub which would allow for only (insert random number) 15% compression. Their recent hopes of putting limits on their internet usage is the same idea, keep that drain low so you can have more houses per hub.

As HD content increases, that problem gets worse as more bandwidth is necessary, and the cable companies dont want to upgrade their backend.

Satellite in contrast, well their hub is the satellite, which as far as I know has no limitation at how many dishes can be pointed at it. So you dont have the same kind of restriction. The overall bandwidth from dish to satellite may be worse than a coax cable, but its a question of how many of those cables does Comcast or TWC want to shove per hub.

And I have no doubt its getting better thanks to a real market developing between cable, satellite, and fiber.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Oct 2, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That could be true

Part of what was holding back the cable companies is having to send 60+ analog channels. If they would require every subscriber to have a box they would be able to broadcast many more channels.

by Wells on Oct 2, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dish...

Just thought i’d note… on my dish duodvr.

I can be in the middle of 10 programs on the DVR…. go into the other room and hit resume and it picks right up where i left off.

Problem is that if its Recording I can’t watch live tv on that tv. The way around it is simple though… just record on the OTHER tv and you are fine. Problems arise when both tv’s are recording something at same time. In that case you HAVE to watch the recording program or watch a previously dvr’ed show.

by Orangechipper on Oct 1, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus access to ESPN360, which is included with AT&T.

by dimecoverage on Oct 1, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That too.

Though thanks to Wells, Ive had that for a while now. Still grateful!

by BoddickerIsClutch on Oct 1, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

360

Free with my comcast int + phone.
Dime – like you, I have the highest DTV package available and watch maybe five channels. But for some reason I feel more at ease knowing that if I click on a channel than I will be taken there promptly without a box of text telling me to contact some alien phone number.

by DaGoose on Oct 1, 2009 12:04 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Issue

When I move to Austin next summer we will both need to find a new provider.

by Wells on Oct 1, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im on ATT now

So perhaps I can return the favor if needed. Verizon is no longer the only one that allows for remote login to 360.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Oct 1, 2009 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

#3 & #4 aside I agree AT&T offers most bang for buck...

AT&T is marketing the crap out of U-verse and if you have a cell plan with them you can roll it all into one big happy really complex bill. If you are careful about the extras is very competitive with all the competitors…I’m sure you can alacarte a cheaper set of services if you like paying five different bills a month but not by much. The ability to go online and change your DVR settings is pretty cool, I know Direct TV has that too, but w/AT&T its part of your home page.

If they would change the fwd to 30 secs as BoddickerIsClutch states it would be nearly perfect for me…

by longhornJ on Oct 2, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

CBSSports

There was a game that I wanted to watch on the CBSSports channel and that seems to be the only channel that AT&T does not have. It was a Kansas game so it wasn’t that important.

by dimecoverage on Oct 1, 2009 9:45 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Dish

Dish has been pretty good,HD ESPN, HD ESPN2, ESPN Classic,HD ESPNU,HD Versus, and HD FSNSW.havent had a problem with games being blacked out or anything crazy what some of you guys went through…no 360 though

by cpabis on Oct 1, 2009 10:20 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Lots of things I hate about DirecTV

But I am a bit of a captive since in addition to Saturday college football I want to watch NFL Sunday Ticket. That exclusive is really paying off for them.

by jimjar on Oct 1, 2009 10:47 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good point

I probably should have stated that I’m not that into the NFL…I usually make time to watch the Cowboys and MNF, but don’t have the desire to see every game.

Now college football on the other hand…yeah, I was actually watching La Tech and Hawaii last night.

Be nobody but yourself in a world that desperately wants you to be like everybody else.

by 54b on Oct 1, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Try the new NFL RedZone channel?

All I can say is, “AWESOME”. This is the way profootball should be viewed on TV.

And – - – - NO COMMERCIALS!

"We don't freestyle Texas Fight, big boy." - Coach Brown

by TXStampede on Oct 1, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

QUICK...

Game Plan games… Now this may be that way with others… but with dish go to a game you want to watch on game plan and you can buy just THAT game for line $15.00.

by Orangechipper on Oct 1, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, on DirecTV it costs me $24 to get Gameplan for a single week

So I need to decide before the season whether I will use it 5 weeks or more, if so I should buy the Gameplan package for $115. It usually involves me guessing how many times the Horns will be on an ABC regional game that won’t be shown in my area (Tucson). So far no times this year, but we have 6 more games ‘tbd’. It would be nice if the TV schedules were all locked in early instead of negotiated week-to-week.

by jimjar on Oct 1, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you are a huge NFL fan, or an out-of-market one,

DirecTV is the way to go. Otherwise FiOS or UVerse seem to be the best options. I’m stuck with TWC, which is driving me to an early grave. Their DVR box is the worst I’ve ever seen. Truly abominable.

As soon as UVerse is available in my apartments, I’ll be making the switch.

by ctex80 on Oct 1, 2009 10:54 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Recently switched to DirecTV from years of Comcast.

Some observations:

(1) With the $11/month sports package on DirecTV, you get all of the regional sports channels. I’ve discovered that these channels have made spending the $129 for ESPN Gameplan almost unnecessary. Not only are most Gameplan games available on a regional sports channel but they’re usually in HD as well.

The almost caveat is an important one for out-of-market Big XII fans, though: the regional ABC broadcasts are still available only via the Gameplan package. There will almost always be two to three Horns games a year which this will apply to. And strangely, even though DirecTV is much better about making its sports packages (NFL, MLB, etc.) available in HD, Gameplan games are not.

(2) Having the out-of-market regional networks is a big plus if your local regional channel pre-empts the Big XII game for lesser quality local 1-AA football, which Comcast in the DC area does with regularity.

(3) More channels on DirecTV. The following are available: ESPNU (which I will enjoy during lacrosse season, but that’s an entire other board), CBS College Sports in HD, the Mountain. Not sure if Texas will ever show up on any of these channels, but it’s that much more college football you can surf through at your leisure.

Formerly kjm017

by Hopkins Horn on Oct 1, 2009 11:02 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

And you get get the $11 sports package for only a single month if you want.

Last weeks Horns-UTEP game happened to be on all the FoxSports regions, but if was only on FoxSports SW I would have gone online and turned on the package so I could watch it in Arizona. Usually I end up buying it for Sept -Nov for the colege football season.

by jimjar on Oct 1, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I used to work at TWC...

…Not the greatest, but don’t believe all the hype of Uverse either. However, I live in P-Ville where TWC is not available and I had to sign up with Suddenlink (formerly Cox) and it is AWFUL! Internet is intermittent and HD quality on the cable is shitastic. Way worse than TWC. However, Uverse did become available last month and I’m planning to switch over next month so I will update yall on that.
And yes, with satelite, there is still rain fade with some dishes so that CAN be an issue, but not always. Especially since football season is during cloudy, cold, rainy season here in Austin.

by H-low on Oct 1, 2009 11:35 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Remember the old adage

You get what you pay for. I live in Houston and had Comcast which you can generally get cheap because of their constant specials. Well after they messed me over on the Horns opening day pay per view game last year I made the switch to U-verse. I have to pay about $15 more a month but it is well worth it. I concur with all of the previous positive and negative stuff that’s already been covered about ATT. One thing to understand with Uverse is that you must have a receiver box for each tv you wish to watch service on. At least that’s what the installer told me. I haven’t taken the time to get up in the attic and mess with just plugging the cable staight into the back of the tv. If that does in fact work like it does with traditional cable I’d be interested to know. Another thing to remember is that there is no perfect service out there. So don’t be discouraged when choose something and find deficiencies. For instance I just loved my Tivo remote features which blows away other companies features. You could do slow mo, go frame by frame, and do other stuff that I now cannot do with ATT. But Tivo’s guide would sometimes not match perfectly with my local programming which would cause shows to not record. There are pros and cons with everything.

by aaronlybrand on Oct 1, 2009 12:02 PM CDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

TWC can suck it

We had TWC everywhere for a long ass time. It was horrible. All they give you is the DVR box (if you pay for DVR) and this stupid little modem thing with a bunch of lights on it that have some obscure meaning. If you want wireless, you go buy and set up on your own one of those stupid blue wireless routers from Wal-Mart, or else you pay 10 bucks a month to rent a router from them. NOT TO MENTION they have contract disputes with various channels which you can’t watch. The DVR on-screen menus and even just the box look tacky as hell. You can only get two streams of live TV (you can watch recorded TV while recording two more shows. That sounds like a lot except during football season.

Ugh.

But the good news is we switched to AT&T U-Verse. So much better. The same service is the same price, almost exactly, but the difference is we pay more with U-Verse to get some additional stuff that TWC doesn’t even offer. They come to your house and give you a big “Gateway” which is essentially a router that handles TV and Internet. This thing is great because it provides wireless internet STANDARD! It’s also already set up with a secure password and everything so you don’t have to deal with that. The actual signal comes in through regular phone lines, so they don’t usually have to punch holes in your wall or anything. They will run ethernet cables from wherever you keep the gateway to your TV and to your desktop computer if it doesn’t have wireless (or if you want it to be hella fast), and even staple them to the baseboards or go through walls to keep it out of sight.

Once you’re set up, the internet and everything work great, and they will stay to help you set up your online account to pay bills electronically and you can even schedule recordings online if you’re away from home and are going to miss something. The picture quality has been great, even the standard definition is watchable. You can record FOUR streams of live TV (two of which can be HD) at once. So if there are a bunch of good games on at once, we pick the two best ones and record them in HD and record the others standard. No problems whatsoever. Definitely would recommend AT&T

Hope that helps.

by Horn Brain on Oct 1, 2009 12:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Few things

For me, the gateway was an annoyance. I already had my wireless network set up with bitorrent, battle.net, XBox, and my NAS ports opened how I wanted them. I wish the box was just a modem like the TWC one that it replaced was, so then I could plug and play. If you dont mess with your network though and just want it to “work” then its fine.

The four streams as you describe it isnt exactly correct. You get 4 streams into your house, anything HD occupies 2 of those streams at a time. So if you are watching 2 different HD programs, thats it, you cannot watch a third SD program. If you are DVRing two HD programs at once, you cannot watch a thid show on TV, you can watch anything else on your DVR or watch what you are recording. You could though, record an HD program, record another SD program, and watch a third SD program. Anyway its never been an issue for me. The only time I want to record 2 things in HD it means im not at the house anyway. And its better than my Dish which let me record 1 hd and 1 sd at a time.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Oct 1, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would say false to this one thing

Tonight I was recording CSI for me, Grey’s Anatomy for my wife and watching The Office all in HD.

"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo

by run Bevo run on Oct 1, 2009 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hrm thats different from how it was described to me then. You sure Grey’s and CSI recorded in HD?

by BoddickerIsClutch on Oct 2, 2009 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I absolutely promise you

"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo

by run Bevo run on Oct 2, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The 2 HD recordings don't take up

all 4 slots. You can only record two HD programs at a time but the other two slots are open to either record two SD shows or watch whatever you want live.

by aaronlybrand on Oct 2, 2009 3:15 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds great

Like I said, not how it was explained to me, but Im happy to be wrong. Means more product for my money!

by BoddickerIsClutch on Oct 2, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it all depends on the speed “profile” for your home, if you’re in the top tier you can get 2 HD streams and 2 SD streams, and potentially more than that (as per the description of having 3 HD streams by rBr). however, some people, due to the quality of their line to the DSLAM (the local box taht everyone hooks to) you may end up with only 1 HD stream and a couple SD. this isn’t something you can correct other than moving closer to the DSLAM.

also, if you are receiving the “you must interrupt a TV to watch HD on this TV” and you only have SD streams going in your house, check your boxes that are turned off and the link light is out, if the link light is on, that box is receiving a stream even though your TV itself is not on.

by Displaced Longhorn on Oct 4, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess it was described incorrectly to me

Last night I was recording Aggie vs Piggie in HD, and Miami vs OU in HD, and when I turned on my TV to watch, I got a third SD channel. So thats not even consistant with what I was told.

I did get the HD message like you describe though, so I guess the max to my house is 5 streams (HD + HD + SD)

by BoddickerIsClutch on Oct 4, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

4 STREAMS

Can’t beat that anywhere else.

by Orangechipper on Oct 1, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't cross the streams!

Your tongue can't repel flavor of that magnitude!!

by UT2001 on Oct 2, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m an out-of-market fan (Chiefs fan in Maryland), but that’s not enough to make me chase DirecTV. Verizon FiOS has been the best television experience I’ve ever had, and I’ve been with Comcrap, Cox, ATT, Cablevision, and probably three or four other medium- and large-scale cable companies.

Verizon hasn’t stupidly dicked us over like Comcast or DirecTV. They haven’t re-tiered Versus or any other stations, and have in fact made MORE channels available for free as time has passed. Comcast would rather whine about Versus costing them 1/16th the amount of ESPN (25 cents per subscriber per month) and claim they have to put it on a special sports tier than worry about improving customer service, billing accuracy, or not making their Comcast commercials obnoxiously loud.

by burntorangehorn on Oct 1, 2009 12:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

DirecTV has best picture quality (HD)

but ATT uverse seems to have better options (choices) but I love the directv iphone app, the sports mix channels (wish they were in HD) and when golf or tennis and other events come up we get the multi-game/court/hole channels all in HD, plus the interactive guide is awesome! but…. my problems with directv: slow response (receiver/controller – expensive after your promo deal is up. plujs i don’t want to re-learn a whole new channel line-up :)

by Kasper-pA- on Oct 1, 2009 12:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

One thing I noticed about my Comcast bill

I had three HD boxes.

For boxes two and three, not only did Comcast charge me a fee to have the HD boxes themselves, but they also charged a separate fee to connect each of these boxes to the television.

Why in the world would one have an HD box if one didn’t want to connect it to a TV? Stupid unnecessary fee, hoping no one would notice.

Through that episode and a couple other wonderful customer service experiences, i learned that, if you call every three or four months, there’s always some new special you can qualify for, which usually wound up saving me $40-$50 a month.

Formerly kjm017

by Hopkins Horn on Oct 1, 2009 1:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I am in mid-Atlantic Comcast country, too, but well south of the Potomac.

Due to lack of competition outside of Dish, it seems much harder for me to, um, qualify for any of the promo deals they are always pitching. As for the HD connect fee, I am not charged for that unless it is buried in one of the 10 different tax and use fees. Arghhhhhh.

Interesting point with Comcast. I added expanded Sports channel option when the season started. My HD DVR monthly rate went from $15.95 to $9.95 per box. Not sure why that happened but I’m not calling anyone to complain. Please do not rat me out.

Also, ESPN Classic was replaced by ESPNU in basic HD channel line up. Classic is now offered in expanded Sports package.

"We don't freestyle Texas Fight, big boy." - Coach Brown

by TXStampede on Oct 1, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The connection fee is definitely a buried charge

Looking at one of my old Comcast bills from earlier this year:

(1) I was charged $15.90 monthly for the one HD-DVR box I had;

(2) I was charged $15.95 monthly for the two extra, non-DVR HD boxes I had (or roughly $8 a box); and

(3) I was charged $23.90 monthly for what the bill vaguely lists as “Additional Outlet.” I eventually called to ask what that was, and that was when I received the explanation that this “Additional Outlet” charge covered connecting any extra HD boxes beyond the first. That’s about a $12 per month per box connection fee, and again, there was no option to get a second HD box for the advertised price of $8 a month for the box without paying the “Additional Outlet” fee. That’s an extra $290 a year in an unadvertised junk fee that I am sure 99% of consumers don’t notice. I didn’t notice for months.

When I called to complain, I was told that the fee couldn’t be waived but that I instead miraculously qualified for another promotion which reduced my monthly charge by roughly the same amount.

Formerly kjm017

by Hopkins Horn on Oct 1, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As an aside . . .

. . . I wonder if there is any sort of class action possibility here for any plaintiff’s lawyer looking for work. The reason I would think of this is that, years ago, a couple of young lawyers won a class action suit against the Washington DC cable company over unauthorized fees which kept appearing in virtually every consumer’s bills each month.

Formerly kjm017

by Hopkins Horn on Oct 1, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

go dish

Just left comcast after 3 rate hikes within a year.

It has versus… has a dual DVR that works in two rooms. So if you are like me and only watch in the living room and the bedroom its perfect. No extra charge.

Basically one room has the tuner and the other room doesn’t but still has a DVR on it. Basically you get the UVERSE deal but cheaper. Again… only works if you just have 2 tv’s you watch. I have the middle tier and get all the ESPN’s but espnU and 360. all for 42.99/month for first year.

by Orangechipper on Oct 1, 2009 1:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

...and only works if you have clear shot at satellite.

Hard to do with 70 foot canopy around the house.

"We don't freestyle Texas Fight, big boy." - Coach Brown

by TXStampede on Oct 1, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

true...

Same deal with directtv right? So far through some big rain storms haven’t had any issues yet.

by Orangechipper on Oct 1, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I had direct TV for years

they seem to go out of their way to find peckerwoods to work there.
Plus the equipment sucked dog balls. I went through 8-9 DVR’s they always sent me refurbished units, just crap.
I changed to Dish, the programing and cost was about the same but the DVR is so much better. It software is so much better it doesn’t crash 1/10 as much as the cheap DVR’s from Direct TV plus they are much larger and can hold more shows plus you can plug in a USB cable and move the programs you want to keep to a spare HDD or the computer to free up more space.
Since changing over 8-9 months back I have had one meltdown and just rebooted the DVR and it was fixed.

by Xerxes on Oct 1, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love BON for threads like these...

truly do. I am thinking that I will switch to ATT Uverse soon.

"Stats are for losers. I like winning games." - Will Muschamp

by Mulliganville on Oct 1, 2009 2:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not exactly a provider junkie...

But I’ll at least share my experience.

I currently have Dish and really do love it. I rarely lose single even in the worst weather (and it can get bad here), love the DVR and the crystal clear HD. It also seems like there are always channels getting added. I have the top 200 package ($70 per month), and I recently got Versus and ESPNU added. They have all sorts of special out of market channels that I’m actually able to pick up many Texas games that I thought I would otherwise not get. I guess the best part is the monthly bill is always consistent. Actually, I haven’t had it rise at all, rather it has gone down.

Again, sorry for the generic lingo as this isn’t exactly my specialty, but I am very happy with it.

by randomguy on Oct 1, 2009 3:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

DirecTV

Note that the DirecTV contract has a “grandfather” clause that allows you to keep the service you originally contracted in perpetuity. So you can keep your original rate as long as you don’t change your base service. The trick is that a lot of the automated tools for adding or removing premium services will also reset you to the current package — and charge you the new rate. You need to make the change by phone and tell the rep you want to keep the original base package but add HBO or whatever.

Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.

by Caradoc on Oct 1, 2009 4:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sports Pack

Since I’ve been with DirecTV for 3 years, they gave me three months of something called Sports Pack. So far, I don’t see any point. It does not have ESPNU and the games on all the other Fox regionals are still blacked out. For this people pay $12.95?

Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.

by Caradoc on Oct 3, 2009 10:07 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Are the other FSN regionals always blocked out?

Or just usually? If they always are then that’s a pretty worthless package.

I just have OTA TV, but when I look into getting cable for the football season I’m most intrigued by being able to get all the FSNs.

by ajax77777 on Oct 3, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, college games on other regional networks are not blacked out

The only games which are blacked out by DirecTV on the regional sports networks are the professional games from leagues with their own packages (MLB, NBA, NHL). College games are not. Right now, as I type this at the 11 am central time slot, there are three to four games on the regional networks which I wouldn’t be able to watch elsewhere unless I paid $129 for GamePlan, including Alabama-Kentucky in HD, and I wouldn’t have the game without the $12/month sports package. So it’s certainly worth it to me,

Formerly kjm017

by Hopkins Horn on Oct 3, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My sports pack on Direct TV has ESPN U

But not Vs.

Also, any college football game that is blacked out should be on one of the local channels, not sure about the rest.

by Wells on Oct 4, 2009 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

UVerse owes BON money after this thread.

One thing I thought I’d throw out there: What the hell is anyone doing with a satellite provider if you live within ANY cable service zones? My favorite thing about DirecTV when I was a kid was how it wouldn’t work in the rain. FAVORITE. I will never use a dish again.

by Horn Brain on Oct 4, 2009 7:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Try living in DC proper

In a house where the owner two owners ago decided to remove all phone and cable lines to her house because the man might be listening in. Plus, somebody has to supply the dish service for the tailgate.

by Wells on Oct 4, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

But the 6 foot tall no window 6 ft x 8 ft basement happens to have industrial overhead florescent lighting.

by Wells on Oct 5, 2009 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like an ideal place to set up bathtubs filled with lye.

by burntorangehorn on Oct 6, 2009 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Id take satellite over cable any day of the week

Internet and DVRs can get me through the few outtages due to weather.

And if its on a gameday, fuck it, Ill drive to a friends house.

The service is that much better, and cable companies are that evil.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Oct 5, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

DirecTV isn’t evil?

I have a big problem with Verizon, but it’s based on complicity with illegal wiretapping (almost all American communications companies did, and were eventually granted immunity for it) a few years ago. Other than that, they’ve been perfect.

by burntorangehorn on Oct 6, 2009 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My main beefs stem from internet usage

Packet sniffing, false advertising on usage limits, usage control, throttling torrents and monopolizing the physical lines which stifle competition and have stagnated our internet service for the last 10 years.

Granted there are geographical features involved as well, but did you know as of two years ago the standard Japanese home internet user got speeds 8-30x faster than the average American, and at half the price. The reason? 8 years ago the government forced the publicization (is that a word?) of their phone lines, allowing for small start up companies to offer internet service. Think of back in the day when all we had was dial-up, and you could get service from your local ISP, instead of being forced to chose from TWC, or AT&T. Or depending on your area, Comcast and Verizon. Since Ma Bell got shit canned, similarly with ConEd, well… nevermind I dont want to get all political on this.

Suffice to say, its my opinion that the cable companies have been responsible for engineering an accepted monopoly on high speed internet, and have abused that position by imposing their will on their customers, as few if any realistic alternatives were available. Since the alternatives are growing, I will continue to support them in an effort to do my small capitalist part in promoting competition, which in turn generates innovation, which is best for everyone.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Oct 6, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m very much the type to let my wallet do the talking when it comes to making statements against business practices that I see as harmful. I haven’t set foot in a Wal-Mart, McDonald’s, Burger King, or Starbucks in almost a decade. I refuse to use Sprint, Verizon, ATT, etc. for my phone, instead using T-Mobile (German-owned, moving toward open-source OS, etc.). Things like that. But considering DirecTV is very much complicit in many of the things you mention (other than ISP issues), like strongarming Versus and other small startups, I don’t really see getting programming through DTV as a lesser evil than getting it through cable. I need internet in the home, so considering I found no wallet statement to be made by going to DTV, I just elected to get my programming where I get my internet service.

I do believe we have some smaller internet startups around here. Maryland seems to be fairly supportive of the smaller businesses, moreso than most of the Wal-Mart states where I’ve lived much of my life. Heck, sometimes it’s that way to a fault here, like limiting liquor licenses to one per corporation, effectively ending any chance of being able to buy ANY alcohol anywhere except a bar or an independently-owned liquor store. I can’t walk into Trader Joe’s and buy a six-pack. I can’t pick up a case at the gas station. It’s incredible…incredibly ponderous, even.

by burntorangehorn on Oct 6, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

DirecTV

I’ve had my problems with DirecTV, mainly billing errors due to special offers. But the signal quality is great, HD is only $10/month, and they have their own channel with some really good shows. (New season of Friday Night Lights starts next week. One thing I like is that they let you switch from one premium package to another (like HBO to Starz) for free as often as you want. So watch one till you’ve seen all the shows you like and then go to another. Also, they always have special offers and you can usually get them to give you a freebie just for asking. Since they are going head to head with Dish, they are willing to put out incentives to retain their customers.

(I guess this kinda sounds like a sales pitch. And come to think of it, they have a cash offer for signing up new subscribers that I’d be happy to split with anyone …)

Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.

by Caradoc on Oct 8, 2009 6:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs


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