Postgame Celebration Thread: Texas Beats OU. Again.
by Peter Bean on Oct 17, 2009 2:57 PM CDT
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Offense made enough plays to win
Although could’ve made it much more of a blowout, defense is amazing
who would have thought that coming into this season
Earl Thomas and Jordan Shipley would be carrying us….
I still don’t think that.
But gosh, thank heavens for Goodwin.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 17, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Earl Thomas and Jordan Shipley are great players. Need help from the offense.
by AmazingLarry on Oct 18, 2009 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions
2009's Defense vs. 2005's?
This could be the best Mack Brown era defense yet. Amazing performance.
DBs are not quite there
Huff, Griffin, Ross, Brown…
Coaching the difference.
Coaching *is* the difference
We all sound like broken records saying this, but it’s true
So Akina and Chizik coached up the DBs better than Akina and Muschamp do?
by burntorangehorn on Oct 17, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
No,
Saying two things that got mixed together, sorry:
1. Our 05 DBs were good enough that they make 05 v. 09 a toss-up — the 09 D isn’t nearly as good against the pass and doesn’t have an on-field coach as good as Huff
2. The only difference now is that most of our players are actually playing up to potential, rather than just the DBs, and that’s on Muschamp.
Bob Stoops
Should get lambasted for letting Sam Bradford put a uniform on these last two weeks. That hit he took was pretty routine and if he reinjured it taking that hit then he CLEARLY was not fully healed. I would guess surgery may happen now.
Yeah that was not a dirty hit
It is unfortunate the Bradford has been sacrificed at the alter of Bob Stoop’s selfishness
he should have gone pro a year ago
Hats off to Jermain Grisham for making the right decision
and lost his whole season in the process
still, both Gresham and Bradford are early first-round draft picks
A stupid system that works exactly like it's supposed to is still a stupid system.
He did
But he made the right choice to take the surgery instead of risking further injury..
I am beginning to thing stoops talked Bradford in playing this second time around.. rumor has it that his parents were against it
We've always known Stoops is selfish
But lately it hasn’t been working out too well for him. I used to wonder if Stoops was perhaps the better coach (after we went 0 for 5 forever ago), but he’s either lost his touch or has been exposed, or both. And either way, I would never trade our Nice Guy Mack for that selfish SOB.
by Katie McBeast on Oct 17, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL
The Sooners’ training staff indicated he was healed. As evidenced by the hit, he probably wasn’t.
But your suggestion that Stoops’ own selfishness caused the injury?
Laughable.
by Brandon Bibb on Oct 17, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
It didn't cause the injury
But if Bradford hadn’t been in the game (as it was rumored his parents would have preferred), he could not have gotten injured. It’s a lot more difficult for him to get injured standing on the sideline. Stoops’ selfishness caused Bradford to be in the game which then caused the injury. Bradford should be in the NFL anyway, and if he’s out forever, it’s gonna be a lot harder to convince players of his caliber to stick around and risk injuries that hurt their NFL prospects, so it’s bad mojo all around.
And this is the celebration thread, not the troll thread.
by Katie McBeast on Oct 18, 2009 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions
I think he could get killed this week.
Especially if the shoulder was injured as bad as before.
MUSCHAMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MUSCHAMP, MUSCHAMP, MUSCHAMP, MUSCHAMP, MUSCHAMP, MUSCHAMP, MUSCHAMP, MUSCHAMP, MUSCHAMP, MUSCHAMP, MUSCHAMP, MUSCHAMP, MUSCHAMP, MUSCHAMP, MUSCHAMP, MUSCHAMP, MUSCHAMP, MUSCHAMP, MUSCHAMP, MUSCHAMP, MUSCHAMP, MUSCHAMP, MUSCHAMP, MUSCHAMP, MUSCHAMP, MUSCHAMP, MUSCHAMP, MUSCHAMP, MUSCHAMP, MUSCHAMP,
Whohoooooooooooooooooooo!
If Bradford turns pro...
GG + the track team v. dirt-stauche and the land thieves is going to be great next year
the man, the myth, the legend.
Great game...
I wonder what the average blood alcohol level of the game thread
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
That is freaking hilarious LaxTonto!
by LonghornLostinLA on Oct 17, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I am guessing if we average it out
we are around .15 to .20
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
It doesn't matter who we play --
— every single game is Will Muschamp vs. Greg Davis.
by godelmetric on Oct 17, 2009 3:04 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
+1
A stupid system that works exactly like it's supposed to is still a stupid system.
No it's not
It’s pretty much just Will Muschamp. We know GD sucks. You’d think our O would be better practicing against our D though…
by Katie McBeast on Oct 17, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Offense improved in second half .. again
GD did enough. We were stagnant in the first half, a different team in the second. Will we face a defense like this the rest of the season? I doubt it .. not until the Championship Game. Our D is so good, and our O good enough, that I feel confident vs. Mizzou, OSU and whoever plays from the North come December.
Sometimes "good enough"
isn’t good enough. This version of good enough and being a second half team won’t get us far in the title game, esp. if it’s ‘Bama who’s looking FIERCE this year.
by Katie McBeast on Oct 17, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, "good enough" will eventually get your burned
There will come a time when you won’t be able to flip that switch and turn it on. Hopefully we will get our stuff together before that happens to us..
Funny to say that
After a game in which the offense went from terrible to good enough and it enabled the win
But it shouldn't work that way
The offense is supposed to make the win happen by scoring points, and the D is supposed to enable it by preventing the other team from scoring points. Basics. Our game was upside down because the O was the enablers and not the winners.
by Katie McBeast on Oct 17, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Defense wins football games. Period. If you don’t believe that just watch Tech. If that were true about offense then Tech would have won multiple national titles. You cannot win consistently without an incredibly good defense. Thank god for Muschamp.
by dimecoverage on Oct 17, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
'good enough' may get Colt killed...
unless we want to see Gilbert back there full time just like OU is dealing with now that play calling and O-line protection needs to put a full game together and soon…we can’t do this against a ‘Bama or FL defense or we’ll get slaughtered…
Every game so far,
Whether it’s UTEP, Tech, CU, or OU, has essentially boiled down to whether Muschamp’s winnination has managed to overcome Davis’ suckritude. It’s provable. With math.
To wit:
According to William Little (PhD in Sunshine Fluid Dynamics, Texas, circa 1896), “the victoriousness function of Longhorn Football can be accurately modeled by a continual differential equation determined by the second-order derivative of the delta between the Muschamp Win Quotient and the Davis Fail Vector. QED.”
I don’t understand why people are still on Davis’s case when its well established that Mack is the one who is keeping the offense conservative and Davis is the one who wants try crazy shit.
Go Horns. Its pretty clear to me that we’re playing Bama if we win out. Bama has a better defense than OU does, it’ll be a hell of a matchup.
What I find so hilarious
is that we are truly playing SEC type football, but are getting doubted. Every other year, the SEC is praised for playing the way we have. Granted we are Texas and are expected to put up points, but the double standard is hilarious…
The "Big Bang" was actually a Will Muschamp chestbump......with the Earth!
Seriously.
I hate the SEC and all the “well, the Big 12 really isn’t that good” BS that flies around. I never understand why.
by Katie McBeast on Oct 17, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
ab-so-lutely...
the double standard blows almost as much as OU!!! ;-)
GREAT GAME!
OH YEAH… OU STILL SUCKS!
October 17th can't come fast enough!
by EYESOFTEJAS on Oct 17, 2009 3:05 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
game balls...
to everybody who played defense today. thank you D! thank you Coach Muschamp!
I dont know if our offense is displeasing....
but gaining 130 yards on the ground in the second half is not bad…we just cant seem to do it in the first half thats all.
and you have to commend the effort of Colt Mccoy(he was sick all week, as per interview after the game) to tackle Brian jackson after the interception…if he misses Jackson is gone to the endzone
Um ...
Has he been sick every game this year?
Moving on..
Do we want TT or Nebraska (who we’ll perhaps meet in the Big 12 title game)?
As I'm sure you know, one is in the North and the other is not
"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo
by run Bevo run on Oct 17, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Um...yes
Hence Nebraska, who we might see in the Big 12 title game…
by Katie McBeast on Oct 17, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Hence
“as I’m sure you know”
"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo
by run Bevo run on Oct 17, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
doesn't matter much, really
A stupid system that works exactly like it's supposed to is still a stupid system.
it might if NU wins the north, but we don't have any control over that
A stupid system that works exactly like it's supposed to is still a stupid system.
yes
A stupid system that works exactly like it's supposed to is still a stupid system.
sort of
although is would sure look better to seal off the season with a win over a stronger Nebraska.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 17, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions
depends on what KU does
A stupid system that works exactly like it's supposed to is still a stupid system.
We only ran three or four
and they seemed like decent calls with all of the upfield pressure that OU was creating. The plays weren’t executed very well whether it be on the O-line, the receivers blocking, or the person catching the pass not using their blocks properly.
by aaronlybrand on Oct 17, 2009 10:58 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
We got into red zone twice and turned it over.
Even if we just get FGs on both those drives, the O ends up looking way better .
I literally wept during the Colt and Mack interviews
Too much cerveza? Probably. But I could not be more proud of the University of Texas. Sorry everyone else, but we are better in every way.
Right On!
no def got a little choked up
and the class to console Sam Bradford is something this rivalry may never see again
if colt doesn't fumble the ball trying to get into the end zone
he moves up in the list of heisman contenders
OMG I agree 100%
And it doesn’t mean anything…it hasn’t gone to the best player in awhile because then Colt woulda gotten it last year since he was the best SINGLE player and Bradford was simply the leader on the highest scoring (I won’t say best since we beat them) offense, but not the single best player.
by Katie McBeast on Oct 17, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Crimson and Cream Machine
Please be good sports and go post a positive comment over at C&CM. OU gave us a tough game.
Defense won this game
As they always say, defense wins games. Never more so than today. Both defenses played lights out. Our defense won the turn over game in the end. Offense struggled big time. Had no idea Colt was sick. When Colt is healthy, he plays great. When sick, plays like crap. Played like crap today. The Texas defense is the shit. They never give up. Texas fight! Now let’s get this offense back on track!
I hope all those Big 12 naysayers/lovers of the SEC defense were watching.
by dimecoverage on Oct 17, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly
Let’s all keep in mind before continually shitting all over our offense that OU is a damn good defensive team.
Formerly kjm017
by Hopkins Horn on Oct 17, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Arkansas just got a TD called back for holding
A stupid system that works exactly like it's supposed to is still a stupid system.
they're in now...
suck on that Teebow, looking very NON-Heisman ike himself.
Coul OU be staring a .500 season in the face . . .
. . . or worse?
Sitting at 3-3.
I’d bet Bradford is done for the season.
Road games at the three Ls (Lincoln, Lawrence, Lubbock) upcoming. Probably dogs in all three games.
Bedlam at home.
Formerly kjm017
I don't think so
They have three losses by a total of 5 points against three good teams. Their D is damn good and Landry is serviceable. I would not bet against OU in any of their remaining games and I could see them droping one more, maybe two but that is pushing it.
I will just admit it
I was brought to tears today.
This game is just so draining.
Hung over this morning,
Had almost no sleep because I was so nervous about this game.
Would take a nap but so many GREAT games on today.
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
Tom Landry
No way
Now we can watch the rest of the game today in such a carefree manner. That is the bright side of the 11am game if you stay home. After a win, the day is your’s.
UF/Ark, at the moment
I’ll probably flip around for a while, but then I have to get ready to go to my cousin’s wedding tonight
A stupid system that works exactly like it's supposed to is still a stupid system.
I like this win...
But was it enough to prevent Va. Tech from hopping us in the rankings tomorrow?
VT needs to make it out of Atlanta first
not a done deal
A stupid system that works exactly like it's supposed to is still a stupid system.
good point
If anyone saw the FSU Gtech game, FSU could NOT stop the option at all! THey were using onside kicks and 4th down attempts instead of giving the ball back.
Seriously?
Which rankings? Who cares about BCS at this point. A 1-loss Va Tech certainly won’t jump us in the human polls.
In the long run...
Their one loss will put them out of the mix if we go undefeated. It will be us against the SEC champ if we take care of business..
SEC champ not guaranteed
If Florida trips up like they almost did last night and then beats Bama, an undefeated Iowa could sneak in or even an undefeated Cincinnati, though much less likely. And if USC wins out their early loss may allow them to jump a one loss SEC champ in the human polls, but that might not be enough to overcome the computers.
As ridiculous as it is, yes, I think an undefeated Iowa or Cincinnati would sneak past a still-undefeated Boise State.
Boise State seems destined to finish the season ranked #3, no matter what the other teams do.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 18, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Va Tech sucks
They crumble under pressure and will likely lose to the crappiest team in the ACC (UVA)
by Katie McBeast on Oct 17, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
thereby ensuring that Al Groh keeps his job for yet another misery-filled season
A stupid system that works exactly like it's supposed to is still a stupid system.
Tell me about it.
I’m in Charlottesville attending UVA and the hatred for Al Groh is more than the ire for GD at Texas. Everyone here was sorta hoping UVA would go 1-11 (with the 1 being Va Tech)
by Katie McBeast on Oct 17, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I grew up just outside of DC, and a lot of my friends went to either VT or UVA
believe me, I know all about the Al Groh hate
A stupid system that works exactly like it's supposed to is still a stupid system.
Which is why
I’m glad I’m a Texas fan/alum
by Katie McBeast on Oct 17, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
interesting
im a law student at UVA who went to UT.
by longhornscardinals on Oct 18, 2009 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm a med student
What year are you? haha we should watch the games together!
by Katie McBeast on Oct 18, 2009 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions
As witnessed
By their loss today to GA Tech. There will be no jumping of us this week. But perhaps FL will find itself not #1 (GASP)
by Katie McBeast on Oct 18, 2009 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions
VT will not go to Pasadena above an undefeated Texas.
Formerly kjm017
by Hopkins Horn on Oct 17, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Regardless...
BIG UPS to the defense today!
I'm gonna go get drunk at Hooters
What time’s the Florida game start?
by LonghornLostinLA on Oct 17, 2009 3:19 PM CDT reply actions
about 20 minutes ago
A stupid system that works exactly like it's supposed to is still a stupid system.
Thanks.
Will be in vegas and have lion king tickets for 4. Guess I will miss the first hour
You won't miss anything
Except you might turn it on and wonder why the hell Mizzou has points and we don’t
by Katie McBeast on Oct 17, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Haha no doubt
I think my wife asked to work this weekend so she wouldn’t have to be home with me and the game.
I think sometimes
that our wives WILL the Longhorns to win so they won’t have to deal with our suicidal tendancies after a loss – so God bless ’em.
Right On!
Did anybody think we looked like Florida with that misdirection?
It would be nice to see Monroe get the ball a few times to see what he can do..
But we're Texas
Not FL. And we won’t beat FL or the SEC playing FL’s game…we will beat them playing Texas’ game.
by Katie McBeast on Oct 17, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly
If we can convince Florida to run nothing but 3-yard hitches we will crush them like ants
I prefer microscopes and sinlight for ant killing
by Katie McBeast on Oct 17, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I think we have to use Colt in our running game to win the championship..
Think about, run the zone read like we did with Vince but ave Colt/Shipley to keep the defense honest with the pass. I think we can do it. I think its just a matter or when we want to to keep Colt healthy…
Yep
I don’t think anyone will disagree. The Colt designed runs today worked really well (ignoring the fumble for staying up too long). His running helps the passing game so much because the d-line has to contain and the linebackers cannot fall back into coverage as much.
No, we had that in 05 -- two words:
David. Thomas.
But it was enough
To keep defenses honest with the pass — too much pressure up front (assuming they didn’t get burned by Vince) and it was an easy dump-off the DT — their completion % was comparable to McCoy/Shipley, and it was almost always enough for a 1st down.
For the most part “keeping defenses honest” with a passing attack just means being able to get behind the rush.
Of course, it also helped that we could run every play out of the same formation.
Yeah, this Davis Thomas talk is making me wish we had TE of his caliber...
That would greatly help out any offense..
I miss him
He was arguably as critical to the ’05 offense as VY… Shipley is awesome but not nearly the matchup problem that Thomas was
No. I think Florida looks like a lot of other programs who’ve done it long before they did it.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 17, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
But he and Colt are friends
So he can’t be all bad…
by Katie McBeast on Oct 17, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
same here
he’s clearly a very good QB
But then again, as a Vanderbilt alum as well as a third-generation Longhorn, I don’t hate OU (or even A&M) as much as I hate Kentucky, Florida and Tennessee. TTU has been cracking that list lately, though.
A stupid system that works exactly like it's supposed to is still a stupid system.
He’s another system QB, like Heupel and White.
Jones will be as well, except I think he has more talent than Bradford does.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 17, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
i think you have bradford and jones backwards
bradford is not graham harrell. he’s going to play on sundays for a while…as long as the shoulder holds up
I don’t think he’s nearly as good a pro prospect as he’s made out to be. I’m not a draft scout, obviously, but I’ve been a draftnik for about a dozen years from now, watching every available moment of college football, the combine, and draft day coverage available, and I just don’t see it. The guy looks like a big statue with a decent arm, but not an all-world guy. If Heupel or White had had Bradford’s size, I think they would’ve had just as much hype, and they weren’t pro-caliber QBs either.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 17, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
As I said in the 2nd half thread:
OUsucks played so hard and made so much more of a game of it than it should have been, and as such, has earned the right to just be “OU” in my book for a while. Seriously, I can respect their performance today. Looking at the matchup before the game, it should’ve been a big win for UT, but the other team wanted it more and played harder. It’s by good fortune and a few breaks that UT walks away still undefeated.
I’ll take it, but OUsucks is OU for now.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 17, 2009 3:27 PM CDT reply actions
They played like they had nothing to lose
All heart, like we played last year. Fortunately for us, they weren’t as successful as we were last year. They were balls out the whole game, and left it all on the field. Good for them.
by Katie McBeast on Oct 17, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, we beat OU but...
There are some serious problems with this team. Half way through the season we still have not lived up to anywhere near our potential for any 4 consecutive quarters. We barely beat a 2-loss team without its starting QB. I don’t know if it is over-confidence or the stress of the pre-season hype about Heismans and MNC’s. I don’t know if it is Greg Davis or Mack Brown or that we over-estimated the talent we have. But despite being a win, this needs to set off warning bells. If we seek the MNC, we can’t afford a loss before we make some changes. Whether it is play-calling or personnel or attitude, something needs to change or we will wind up losing a great chance at the MNC.
"Only angry people win football games." --DKR
That makes no sense
For starters - he is OK but let’s be realistic here
- Colt is not nearly the runner or the scrambler Vince was -
- None of our backs is as fast as Charles or as reliable as Selvin
- We don’t have a TE that can play the role David Thomas did — blocking or passing, let alone both — and that seriously limits what we can do out of a given formation
- We don’t have a reliable jump-ball WR like Limas, so we have trouble stretching the field
I disagree....
We don’t have the TE but I think we have the rest. Also, I don’t think the 2005 team had a Shipley.
Charles = Monroe/Whittaker
Selvin = Newton
Limas = Malcolm
Now, if we can get those people to play up to their potential is another story. Especially Malcolm but he does have the talent if you’ve seen him go up and get the ball and his speed. I think this gives us the best chance to win though in a tough championship game. What we are doing now is not gonna work in my opinion.
Not disagreeing that we have talent
Just pointing out the 05 O was playing to a number of very particular strengths that we don’t have right now, so it doesn’t make sense to say that we should “reinstall” it
Most of all, personnel dictates our play much more than in ‘05. We lined up in the exact same formation in all but 1 play in the Rose Bowl vs. USC. That’s simply not possible with our current personnel — we have more/better skill players like Shipley, but fewer multi-role players like Vince and David Thomas, so we need to make more decisions before the snap — and of course that means letting Greg Davis make more decisions…
I think our main problem is the oline..
Without them stepping up their game. scheme doesn’t really matter.
Our Oline has some problems right now, but
Kasey Studdard and Lyle Sendlein weren’t exactly All-Americans. Our ’05 line benefited a lot from the fact that collapsing the pocket just meant that VY would scramble, which was arguably even worse than letting him pass.
Our N-S running has sucked since Ricky left, so I’d call this a toss-up. Our OLs are just generally subpar, blocking especially
are u on crack??
Lyle Sendlein: Consensus Big-12 first team, STARTS for the Cardinals
Kasey Studdard: Consensus Big 12 first team, STARTS for Texans
Jonathan Scott, Justin Blalock, Tony Hills
They ALL start IN NFL…i doubt any of our Oline will even make it to NFL…
COACH BOOM BABY!!
I didn't say they were better,
I said that our 05 OL got a lot of help from other parts of the offense.
And no, Sendlein and Studdard weren’t all that great in college — Studdard was drafted in round 6 and Sendlein wasn’t drafted at all.
Our offensive linemen have always performed way better in the NFL than in college — that’s exactly my point. Our blocking up front has always sucked and that’s on the coaches — it’s NOT about the players “stepping up their game” like cj43 said. We haven’t had a decent North-South running game for years, even when Cedric Benson was running behind most of the players you just named.
Just to be clear,
Kasey and Lyle were both awesome guys and great players, but neither was coached up to their potential, as should be obvious now. That line was playing lights out and we still couldn’t run downhill.
Also to Kasey and Lyle’s credit — their bios listing them at 6’3" each indicates that they’ve both grown much taller since graduating from college. cough
If I remember correctly, that unit LED the nation in scoring offense
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Texas_Longhorns_football_team#List_of_accomplishments
This offensive unit also set the school record in most yardage.
Again, I think it would be ridiculous/retarded to assume that VY did EVERYTHING by just being VY. Yes, that line was playing lights out and we still ran the ball real well. (School record of yard per rushing play: 5.9, 55 Rushing TDs)Are you sure u weren’t watching the aggies??
I am sorry but people dont grow much taller (or become giants) when they are 24,25…It is rare, and when they do its mostly likely due to underlying disease or some kind of abnormalities…
UT listed them as 6’5 (Lyle) and 6’3 (Studdard), so i dunno what the f u are talking about.
And yes, I think u should get that cough checked out, it could be h1n1, syphilis, or bronchitis..or if u are doing ur own hernia exam for saying all these ridiculous things, then bravo sir bravo
COACH BOOM BABY!!
Dude,
If Kasey Studdard is 6’3" then I’m Andre the fucking Giant
Here, let me draw you a picture since you apparently haven’t ever watched any of these guys actually play:
Due to perspective, the reference points for Vince (who actually measured out at 6’4", if I recall correctly) and Sendlein are useless. Sweed’s a better comparison, but didn’t he actually turn out to be 6’2" or 6’3"?
by burntorangehorn on Oct 18, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Vince came in listed at 6'4"
but he actually grew a bit in his first year. Regardless, 6’5" is pretty accurate.
The point is — Kasey Studdard is not 2 inches shorter than Vince Young. Not even close. Nor is Lyle Sendlein as tall as Vince.
I can’t find a clip or a picture where they’re all standing next to each other, but there are moments in the above clip where Vince is standing behind where Studdard is in the above pic, and his head is at or above the shelves in the background.
Again, this isn’t a knock on Kasey (actually, his stature makes his accomplishments all the more impressive), but the dude is not 6 foot 3.
I was just going by what the Texas and Texans websites said
I have way more important things to do than watch a UT game with imaginary ruler on my hand. How about u get a current pictures of them with their respective teammates? i think u can really prove ur point then.
But unless there is height growing anabolic steroids available, you do not grow much taller after college.
COACH BOOM BABY!!
our blocking up front has always sucked??
now i know u are really smoking crack. do you really expect every one of our linemen to bulldoze their assignments on every single play??
VY is/was great, but he had lotta help from his OL. How much time do you expect him to have when majority of our passing games and plays were ridiculously simple?? Also, without that great group of OL of 05-06 (same guys, majority of them anyway), there is no way Colt would have that much success in his freshmen yr.
and our OL did not “always” performed better—see Mike Williams, Leonard Davis. Get your head out of the gutter and educate yourself
COACH BOOM BABY!!
Sorry,
“Also, without that great group of OL of 05-06 (same guys, majority of them anyway)”
How many starters did we return the next year again?
Studdard, Sendlein, Tony Hills, Blalock
Thats 4/5. Only Jonathan Scott graduated.
and apology accepted
COACH BOOM BABY!!
there were a lot of those today
by abcdmetrius on Oct 17, 2009 3:59 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
We need to act like we lost this game
In the past Mack Brown has been very good making adjustments after a loss. We can’t afford a loss, especially with a lousy SOS this year. Instead of “business as usual,” next week he should make some major adjustments before Kansas or A&M (or even Baylor) knocks us out of the running.
"Only angry people win football games." --DKR
I was glad to see Colt run some draw plays.
It was a great defensive game. Happy with the D. Happy we avoided costly mistakes. Thrilled with the outcome. Hook’em
All those yards? Misdirection plays. Or the results of them.
Without that one scheme, we wouldn’t have gotten over 100 yards for the game. Methinks Texas has found its running game…
In-VINCE-able.
Came here to post this.
These kinda days happen.
Yep, he caught everything thrown at him...
Good to see his hands seems to be improving and coming around.
McCoy wasn't 100%
He has been fighting a head cold all week. He was horse during the post game interview. I don’t think we have anything to worry about with this offense. OU was the best defense they have faced and will face this year. The Longhorn Offense and McCoy will bounce back.
We always have to worry about OSU in Stillwater. To say they will up for that game is an understatement.
by dimecoverage on Oct 17, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Not weird, but they will be looking for an upset. I’m always the woory-wart about OSU. Maybe this year the Horns will prove me wrong.
by dimecoverage on Oct 17, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I was thinking the same thing...
they’ve been rather unimpressive.
I honestly think that a Bradfordless OU is better than LSU.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Oct 17, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Hell, a Bradfordless OU is probably better than a Spikesless UF right now.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 17, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Another random thought
If not for Jamaal Charles’ fumble in 2007 Colt goes 4-0 against the Land Thieves
colt
2nd only to peter gardere in wins vs. ou
by longhorn_dan on Oct 17, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Colts fumble
I still say he was down when the refs called the fumble touchback. He had control when his back hit the ground jarring the ball loose. Not to mention his rump probably touched before that. Cudos to to refs though to the muf punt that Texas recovered and marking it down where Williams picked it up for the none advancement rule. The other ref who signaled TD must have fogotten about that rule. Williams needs to have better ball security though.
I honestly thought the ball should be advanceable on a muffed punt. Not a KR, because it’s not an offensive snap, but a punt play should be treated as a regular offense/defense play.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 17, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
OU rushes for negative yards
and Florida looks weak against the Hog’s defense
if the Horns can gut out a win while really sinking up the joint on offense against a decent team I feel better after today. If they actually start to execute on offense the future looks sooooo bright.
Bradford's Injury
I predicted a few weeks ago if Bradford was back from that injury for the game today that he wouldn’t sty in long because he would most likely receive another hit to reinjure it. I’m sure the amount of stress he put on that shoulder last week against Baylor didn’t help either.
Had to goto walmart and buy two shirts for this game at the half time
but well worth it!!!
COACH BOOM BABY!!
Any Thoughts
On what the Sooner fans are saying about Stoops.
has Stoops made any post game comments
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
Tom Landry
I am REALLY pleased with GD today..anyone else with me on this?
1. He established the run game (although it took some time)
-misdirection plays/motion plays were brilliant
-timely QB draws were amazing
-although, i think we could have run some naked boot legs and reverses/WR sweeps
2. He stretched the field by dialing up some deep balls
3. He was really confident in Freshmen Goodwin to make plays in crucial times—that was clutch
4. Most Importantly: he ADJUSTED well to Venable’s scheme.
-As much as people dog on Venable, he had an excellent game plan today. Instead of sitting on zone, he attacked Colt and our shitty OL time after time. He disrupted our passing and rhythm. His blitzes were timely and well planned. I thought Greg countered with quick passes, and fade routes. Again his weird-guard/center/tackle pull seem to work
COACH BOOM BABY!!
one thing i thought was weird
On that misdirection play with fozzy and Monroe, they handed off to Monroe once for 6 yds, but never gave it to him again. I liked how they used it as a triple option, and either colt kept it or handed it to fozzy or DJ. But, they needed to give it to DJ more, imo.
I loved that wrinkle but I agree Monroe should have gotten it more
I wonder if it was truly an option for Colt to hand it to either or keep it.
GD as in Greg Davis?
5 for 18 in 3rd down
2.6 yards per play at half
3.4 yards per play total
3.2 yards per pass play
8 punts
Seriously? REALLY pleased with Greg Davis?
"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo
by run Bevo run on Oct 17, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I wasn't pleased with his first half...
but I think that they did make some impressive second half adjustments.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Oct 17, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions
What was impressive?
Colt was told not to throw to a doubled or triple teamed Shipley? If you want to see impressive, I’ve got this beautiful cceanfront spot in Flagstaff you’ve got to see.
"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo
by run Bevo run on Oct 18, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
When it comes to playcalling, I am critical of GD as anyone else
But u have to agree that the playcalling was much better in this game then against colorado.
And yes, I know that isnt saying much. But in terms of mixing it up plays and keeping the defense guessing, I thought GD did a pretty good job.
I thought using Shipley as a decoy in the second half was pretty brilliant. (thus opening up Goodwin).
I really think more of the blame of our inept offense in the first half goes to Colt and our laughable OL. You can be a GOD of offensive coordinator all you want, but if ur line cant block worth shit/commit retarded penalties, and your 4-yr starter/heisman-runner up/ur # 1 receiver’s roommate-fishing buddy FAIL to go through progressions, have almost no pocket presence, and turn the ball over repeatedly, I guess that could make the offensive coordinator look really bad.
I am pleased in a sense that his play calling was B or B+. We just failed to execute…alot
COACH BOOM BABY!!
I disagree
The blame is on GD. If we had a decent (or God) of an offensive coordinator, he would adjust his playcalling that best suits his O-Line. You have a mobile O-Line, but not great at basic zone blocking. You have a mobile QB, but coverage downfield limits your targets. You have 2 very fast RB’s who can change the game with one break.
A good OC would have changed his whole offensive philosophy mid game, and realize our best chance would be to run more options. I’m not talking about the abortion of what GD likes to call an option—The speed option from Shotgun. I’m talking about the triple option look that UF does religiously. Make the LBers and Safeties commit to the run, the do a play action pass out of that same formation. We tried doing this and it worked well, but GD decided to resort back to his old ways of short passes that were covered VERY well. The option game is GREAT for teams that have weakness in the O-Line.
Get off your knees Greg, you're blowin' the game.
ok I think u make a pretty good point but
I am very certain that triple option is the least viable option. And I am not sure if I agree with you on our OL being mobile. It seems like they whiff on lots of pulls and traps.
Triple option will do us less harm than good:
1. It will take a huge hit in recruiting. Top recruits are less likely to go to a triple option team that doesnt really work in NFL.
2. In this day of athletes with speed and great athleticism, it is fairly easy to defend triple option—ex. Miami vs. G Tech.
3. We dont have Tebow like UF does. Colt can’t break tackles from 4-5 players and bulldoze his way into 8-9 yd gain when he is supposed to be tackled for loss. I believe UF’s success in triple option comes from having Tebow and Hernandez (a TE, something we dont have)
Quite frankly,I think the current offensive formations suits our strength (yea this sounds weird), but we dont have a reliable TE, and we have pretty good talent at WRs. We just need better plays from Colt (we should run him more), stretching the field, and 2 RB sets for max protection/wheel routes (Colt rarely sees these tho). Less bone-headed plays and better execution should be good enough to make our offensive woes go away.
COACH BOOM BABY!!
You're under the assumption that we would switch to the Triple Option
it would be used as a wrinkle, not as a set scheme. We saw some of it yesterday, but not enough for other teams to take it serious. Trust me, our O-Line is mobile. Just because you saw them whiff doesnt mean they can run. It means they are bad.
Option blocking isnt about driving people back. Its about confusion and creating lanes for 3 different back.
Get off your knees Greg, you're blowin' the game.
I agree, somewhat
The abortion of a first half was primarily on Colt and the O-line. I appreciated that GD tried to swtich things up a bit – running more misdirection and at least attempting a pass out of the WildHorn. My god, the O line was awful, though.
Your right
we should have just drawn up a play we never run at half time and then just run it over and over again. Works on the PS3, why would it not work here.
Why would I have to agree?
There are 3 things that piss me off about the play calls that I can think of right now.
1. 3rd and 1, midfield, they come out spread formation, no RB, and throw incomplete.
If the strength of the OU defense is their line and linebackers, why wouldn’t Texas try and keep OU honest with the show of run if you are going to pass. If that fails, you have a dump of option if all receivers are covered or an extra blocker as last line of defense for Colt buying extra time for a pass or a Colt scramble.
2. 2nd and 8/9, you complete a 7 yard pass, run hurry up Ace formation, run get stuffed.
I can understand the advantages of going hurry up and generally like the idea. I don’t understand why you have to do a basic handoff when you have a speed guy as your RB. Run counter or toss sweep. Use the weapons to their fullest potential. Don’t run them straight into the back of David “Oh my fu%$ing gawd are you kidding me with that” Snow. What about going playaction bootleg giving Colt a Run/Pass option?
3. The Wildhorn, after you establish a bit of rhythm and the roll that POS out there.
I’m over it. They have run this, I don’t know, 20 times this year and it has worked, correct me if I wrong, once? You know what sucks most about this? They’re going to run it again and at some point some poor kid is going to miss an assignment, the Longhorns are going to score and all of you who think GD is a genius are going to say, “Why the hell didn’t we do this more?”, and that pisses me off to think about.
To all of you that blame Colt and OL and not the person that deserves the blame, Greg Davis, I have to ask you who you think the offense responsibilities belong to ultimately. If you think Davis is not responsible for the schemes of the play call, then I don’t understand what is going on with this team. If you know I’m going to come over to your house and kick your door down everyday, why in the hell would you blame the door?
"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo
by run Bevo run on Oct 18, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
if #2 on your list is true...
I must have been watching a different game
by 7Swords of Salat on Oct 17, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions
i consider throwing more than 5 yds from colt a deep ball
i guess u went to the bathroom quite a bit when colt was throwing fade routes to shipley and malcolm williams
do u really think jello-armed colt can chunk 50 yds? get real, be realistic
COACH BOOM BABY!!
Wow, this is just asinine.
"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo
by run Bevo run on Oct 18, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
so...
…are you gonna join that facebook group again? “Colt McCoy throws like a girl” IIRC
by vy til i die on Oct 18, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
i watched Tom Brady throw deep balls against snow/wind today
I believe you are one of those who said u dont have to have the elite arm strength to be successful in NFL. Do you seriously think he can throw accurate deep balls down the field?
He was barely able to put enough zip on some of the short passes.
Ex. Throw to Greg Smith was actually a great catch by EBS. Colt almost short-armed it
COACH BOOM BABY!!
But they're losing to an SEC team, so it's OK
Formerly kjm017
by Hopkins Horn on Oct 17, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't worry...
the SEC refs took care of Florida to make sure that they won.
Not so fast...
But I think this is a touchdown.
by StanTheCaddy on Oct 17, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Clearly ...
Even if it he fumbled, it was recovere din the end zone. Did anybody catch Verne Lundquist saying that if he fumbled it, “it would be an incomplete pass”? Idiot.
Honestly ..
Could the announcers be rooting any more obviously for Florida? Could have heard a pin drop in the booth when that touchdown happened.
How is that pass interference? The ball was underthrown???
by StanTheCaddy on Oct 17, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
then that unsportsmanlike call
gave FL 30 yds on back to back plays…
Now TD FL
seems to be a little home cooking for FL
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
They’re trying to gift this game to UF.
Absolutely a garbage call.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 17, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions
refs giving this one to florida.
we better not hear some bs about tebow’s DOMINANT PERFORMANCE after this bs. im sure we will though
So FG for Arkie was missed
What will be the big call for FL on the next drive?
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
Where is the talk about how underwhleming florida is playing?
Florida needs bad calls to stay in the game against a non top 25 team
Florida is the new Notre Dame
But when you're #2 or #3
Or not in the SEC, or worse both, then a win by less than 30 points is a loss. I hate the SEC. I hate the constant ass kissing commentators do to them no matter what. I hate how everyone talks about Tebow like the second coming, even though he is a huge ass and TOTALLY overrated. I hate that OU couldn’t manage to pull off a win against FL last year and earn the Big 12 some fucking respect. The SEC is not that effing wonderful. They are not God’s gift to football. And FL is totally overrated…almost no penalty went against them. Like has been mentioned, the refs wanted FL to win and were going to make the penalties work in FL’s favor. Piss poor officiating.
by Katie McBeast on Oct 18, 2009 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions
That was as blatant as pass interference gets
boy that’s some bad officiating.
screw that
watch the drag down by the OL on the LE. Looked like OU all over again
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
Guess who is the player for the game?
$1000 bucks in the name of the ref crew
Hell of a spot for Florida there...
Just give them them game. I am tired of watching the refs do it for them.
The FL game absolutely disgust me
Ref’s decided the outcome of this game… It is crazy to see the disparity in number and types of calls
Unbelievable.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
well... we better not lose any ground to FL...
at least our close, ugly win was not at home, and we didn’t need multiple missed field goals and blown touchdowns and generous officiating to secure it…
That was Utah football too...SEC and TT...ENOUGH!!
"Stats are for losers. I like winning games." - Will Muschamp
by Mulliganville on Oct 17, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Ha if anything
The officiating went more against us it seems, esp. in the first half…there was some crap that really killed the momentum we had (including Kirk’s after an awesome catch head butt personal foul that cost 15 yards…but that was completely on him)
by Katie McBeast on Oct 18, 2009 1:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Wow
that officiating was suspicious. Damn suspicious. If Alabama isn’t ranked #1 this week it will be a joke.
The refs did not help...at all.
Bogus unsportsmanlike, very questionable pass interference against Ark and no offensive PI on FL at the end.
But Arkansas missed two FG’s and missed two obvious TD’s by poor throws and their receivers running into each other. Arkansas had this…perhaps it is best to remain #2 or 3 as Bama and FL will take one another out.
"Stats are for losers. I like winning games." - Will Muschamp
Both Ds looked good.
Hopefully our D making the plays later in the game and UT getting the win swing him away from OU at the very least.
Or at least Thorpe.
If he’s not on the short list, it’s a crime.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 18, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
If I'm a Florida fan watching the UT game today...
…I’m a little worried: “Wow – they can play defense, too.”
If I’m a UT fan watching watching the Florida game, I’m a little giddy: “Wow, these guys are fantastically overrated. Please don’t lose, so we can be the ones to pop Tebow’s cherry.”
Really? Does my signature suck?
by adt2 on Oct 17, 2009 7:36 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Yeah
Percy Harvin being in the NFL was a big hit to their offense.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Oct 17, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Consider
That we’ll be playing ‘Bama in the NC because Bama is looking VERY good and will, if there’s truth to rankings, jump FL this week. Honestly, FL should be #3 after us because at least we had a tight one to a ranked team at a neutral site
by Katie McBeast on Oct 18, 2009 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions
WOW Shocking
Was reading over some of the comments on sooners sight. Those people scare me. I remember now why I don’t like going to the game in Dallas. I understand both teams have some fans that are jerks but seriously. These guys still believe they can salvage their season and get to a BCS game and that they only lost the game because the refs gave us all the great calls.
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
Tom Landry
They are VERY entitled
They feel they DESERVE the BCS game, not that they have to EARN it like the rest of us. But hey, they also felt entitled to cheat during the land grab, too, and that’s the history they aspire to with their mascot (can you call it that?) of “Sooners.”
by Katie McBeast on Oct 18, 2009 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions
KSU 59 A&M 0
10 minutes left…in the third quarter
AM just scored
Do the aggies suck that bad or is KSU that good.
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
Tom Landry
TT hung 60+ on KS last week right?
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
Jesus Christ, Aggies....
…WTF? Time for another coaching change?
Really? Does my signature suck?
by adt2 on Oct 17, 2009 8:27 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
2005 was great but...
this defense has nowhere near the talent at DB or MLB (anyone forgetting Aaron Harris?). For that matter, whoever it was that had the personal foul early on had me wondering if we’d found Robert Killebrew and brought him back.
Look, we don’t have VY or Dave Thomas or nearly the offensive line which is why if this team is going to win….it’s going to be by coaching.
As much as I loved pulling out the win, I must voice a little sadness over the fact that Colt didn’t help himself in the national eye. I don’t usually give a hoot about individual awards but I think that every top program should have people in contention for those awards. For The Colt however, I’ve always hoped he’d win that Heisman so that it would both cap off his career and also give us a non-RB winner of the award.
I also couldn’t help but think about how 7-8 years ago, we’d all have been lamenting the lack of in-game adjustments by GD and moaning over what would have been a loss. This is the progress of a program.
Now, does Jackson Jeffcoat wanna play for the winners or the losers?!?!?!
You are probably right in a sense that this defense doesnt have accomplishments like 05 team
But…in terms of DBs we have enough to talent to match that…either this season or the next season. Have you been watching Earl Thomas, Aaron Williams (minus the mistackle that gave away a TD), Curtis Brown, Chyke Brown’s play today? all of these guys are sophomores and juniors.
And it was Kheeston Randall who had the personal penalty, but that was no where near Killebrew level.
MLB is little thin due to Jared Norton Injury, but I believe he is more talented/athletic than Aaron Harris who was really good at ankle tackles…
This team will start play better when Colt does. He does not look very comfortable in the pocket and lack the pocket presence 4 yr starter should have. He had a ridiculous season last year, and we have been expecting great things from him this season. But I believe that is no longer the case.
If we play great defense and colt doesn’t suck too much and dont turn over the ball that much, we will get our 5th MNC
COACH BOOM BABY!!
The SEC...
Only has 3 teams in the top 25 going into this weekend. Big 12 has 5 (us, Nebraska, OSU, Kansas, OU) going into this weekend. WHY/HOW is the SEC better than the Big 12? The rankings certainly don’t show that…
Because they have won the last 3 National Championships....
Its basically based on past years performance in bowl games. The Big10 has Ohio State who keeps getting their butt kicked in BCS games. The Big12 has Oklahoma who can’t win a BCS bowl game or any other big game outside the conference. So, until that changes for a few years, we’ll keep hearing about how great the SEC and USC is.
One play that stands out in my mind
was a specific option to the right where Colt was at the keep/pitch point.There was a seemingly wide lane for him to run as the pitch defender was on the running back (can’t remember who). Anyway, Colt seemed to stop, freeze, then pitch the ball for a loss. To me, that seems to sum up the kind of year Colt’s having. Last year he was unconscious but this year he seems so unsure and second guessing every move he makes. Am I over-analyzing the situation or am I dead-on?
Hard to tell ...
His biggest problem to me is staring down receivers, especially Shipley. Despite destroying UTEP, that pick six worried me a bit, and he threw several balls that could have been returned for touchdowns yesterday. My guess is he’s starting to get happy feet – he doesn’t trust his protection and feels he needs to get the ball out quickly, so he’s not going through his progressions, just staring at the number one option (Shipley).
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