Vince plays in blowout loss
So I noticed that Tennessee was losing 45-0 at the half to New England. Tom Brady had just set the Pats' franchise record for touchdown passes, yards, and models knocked up in a quarter and a half, it appeared. And Kerry Collins was a paltry 1 of 10 for 15yds. So of course Fisher trots out Collins to start the second half, and he completes one of his next two passes, a -22yd. pass to Nate Washington. Yes, negative 22yds. As in, the guy played well over a half of football, and ended up 2 of 12 for -7yds. and an interception.
Great time for Vince, right? Wrong. First pass he comes in to throw, Crumpler doesn't make his turn on time, and Vince throws it off his back foot anyway, so it's an interception. The other attempt went for an incomplete pass. So despite the fact that Collins had just had possibly the worst first half of any starting QB in modern NFL history, I think Vince actually managed to find a way to have a lower QB rating today. On the bright side, even having zero completions, he still had more passing yards than Collins.
Anyway, Vince was in a tough spot, and didn't perform well, but I'll be amazed if Fisher somehow musters the audacity to play Collins another snap this season. It should be Vince time again, finally.
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Vince had more passing yards than Collins though
Collins was 2-12 for -7 yards.
by 40AS on Oct 18, 2009 7:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep, as I said, " On the bright side, even having zero completions, he still had more passing yards than Collins."
by burntorangehorn on Oct 18, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lmaooooooo
i just realized this, hahhaa
"We'll be baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!"
by greenspointexas on Oct 19, 2009 1:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tennessee has absolutely no interest...
in keeping VY next year, they are not going to extend his contract and are not playing him as a result. He’ll get in there at some point, but he will be playing in another city next year……………the question is where??
Whenever he does get his call, he’s playing for his next contract on a new team.
by silky51 on Oct 18, 2009 7:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What makes you say they have no interest? It’s definitely possible that Jeff Fisher doesn’t want him on the team, but it appears Adams is very committed to keeping Vince in town.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 18, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vince's career with the Titans is over.
With very little talent on offense, VY resurected the team en route to being Rookie of the Year. He followed that up with a Pro Bowl season and led the Titans to the playoffs…still with little talent surrounding him on offense. Last year, the team had noticeably more talent on offense (and a stellar defense), but VY had a poor season opener and ultimately was injured. Fisher couldn’t justify inserting a healthy VY back in to the lineup as the Titans were in the midst of a 13-3 season. Ever since, fickle Titans fans only remember that season opener (and the poorly handled “suicde saga” just made things worse). Now with more weapons on offense at the skill positions than ever before since VY’s arrival, Titans fans are clamoring for Vince. But it’s too late.
I’m a Fisher fan, but he mishandled all of this. I also don’t root against Kerry Collins, but Fisher’s refusal to make VY the starter a couple weeks ago was simply wrong. Fisher’s perspective is that Collins isn’t the reason for the losses. Partly true, but if your team is going to lose, you might as well see if the QB who has a history of giving your team a spark (VY) can do it again. Titans actually have some receivers who may not drop as many of VY’s passes.
Vince makes the Titans better only if they are willing to stop forcing him to be a drop-back passer. Too few NFL teams are willing to break that mold with their play calling, and if Norm Chow wasn’t going to be able to exploit VY’s abilities, I doubt the current Titans OC will either.
It’s too late. Vince has no trade value. Titans will not pick up their option for 2010 and will get nothing in return for him. It’s a Lose-Lose situation for everyone involved. Vince will not be a very attractive back-up QB for many NFL teams because he doesn’t just “plug-in” for an injured starter, allowing teams to continue their same scheme. VY has to be a starter to succeed at QB, and he needs a coaching staff who is willing to let him create opportunities. Titans drafted him 3rd overall, but VY is a 5th round value if you are going to force him to just be a passer. That’s never what made him special. Not at Texas. Not his Rookie of the Year campaign. Not his playoff season. He can be a Pro Bowler again, if you stop making him what he is not. But that won’t be for the Titans. And saddly the Titans managed to ruin his future to lead any of the other NFL teams.
by Lincoln on Oct 18, 2009 7:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You don’t think Adams is likely to force a chance on the coaching staff?
by burntorangehorn on Oct 18, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish it would work with the Titans
because I really believe that since VY is different than other QBs it will be even more difficult to catch on elsewhere. I think Adams forced VY on the coaches when he had VY drafted. Last year Adams couldn’t force Fisher’s hand due to the success (which was the great defense + addition of Johnson at RB). The praise for Collins was that he may not be the catalyst for the wins but he “manages” games and wouldn’t cost them any of the games with mistakes. In reality that Titans team probably would have had 12-14 wins with VY, as well.
The same Titans fans who bashed VY (remembering the 2008 season opener as if it was multiple poor performances by VY) are now begging to see Vince and instead calling for Fisher to be ousted….as if some potion has finally worn off of them and they can now see the light. I think it’s too late for Adams to force Fisher’s hand. I think Fisher’s pride may now be a factor, meaning Adams has to choose between Vince or the coaching staff. I hope I’m wrong.
by Lincoln on Oct 18, 2009 8:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sounds about right. Now, I think Fisher’s a heck of a coach, and would do well if he were to start up somewhere else, but I think he needs a change of scenery.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 18, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
two other observations that have worked againts our boy VY...
one is not his fault, the other is:
1) he’s had to go thru multiple O-coordinators, none of which really were interested in either teaching him or playing to his strengths, which Greg Davis managed to do.
2) I’m not real keen on his ‘Steamin Willie Beamen’ act with the Ipod ear phones on while a game is going on. I’ve seen that off and on all year long and he finally pulled his hoodie up to ‘hide’ it from everyone, which to me says he’s caught some grief about it and chose to ignore the advice to stop it and at least pretend to be interested in the flow of the game.
It’s ironic that if VY is to make anything of himself in the league he will most likely have to do it the same way Kerry Collins did, which will involve swallowing ALOT of his pride and working hard to remake himself into a more mature and polished NFL QB. I think someone will give him a chance to come to camp next year and make the team as a backup, but this stuff about him being the next black QB to win a Superbowl from his GQ article earlier this year just rings like hollow bravado now unfortunately instead of the kind of swagger that made him a legendary college QB.
by longhornJ on Oct 18, 2009 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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2) I’m not real keen on his ‘Steamin Willie Beamen’ act with the Ipod ear phones on while a game is going on. I’ve seen that off and on all year long and he finally pulled his hoodie up to ‘hide’ it from everyone, which to me says he’s caught some grief about it and chose to ignore the advice to stop it and at least pretend to be interested in the flow of the game.
Is this a joke? You realize that those “Ipod ear phones” are so he can listen to the communication between the OC and Kerry, right?
by SuperHorn on Oct 19, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking that same thing, but I didn’t know for sure, so I didn’t refute it directly.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 19, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bud came out publicly after the loss and said he has wanted Vince over Kerry.
There is also speculation that Bud gave Fisher an ass chewing before the game, and that might have had something to do with the team looking so flat.
In any event, I’d be shocked if Kerry takes the field against the Jags after the bye week.
by SuperHorn on Oct 19, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think VY's NFL career is all but over
What team is going to make him their franchise qb? We’ve already seen that he can’t thrive in a traditional system so it would take a creative and risk-taking coach to tailor an offense to his strengths and build a team around him. the titans were unwilling to do it and I really don’t see any other team willing to.
3/19/2009 - Dogus Balbay Made a Three-Pointer. Never Forget.
by burrito on Oct 18, 2009 8:35 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Have you seen some of the quarterbacking in this league?
I’m not saying he’ll succeed, or that a team will build a team around him, but VY will get another chance in the NFL
by 40AS on Oct 18, 2009 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think VY would fit great in Miami
As the pass/run threat to mix up with their Wildcat.
by jimjar on Oct 18, 2009 9:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
henne looks solid, and he was parcels pick, vy could end up in jacksonville
by abcdmetrius on Oct 19, 2009 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Henne looks solid? Granted, I haven’t been paying attention to Miami much in the past three or four weeks, but last I heard, most seemed to think Henne was proving to be a big waste of space.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 19, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you should pay attention then..
…he had a pretty solid game against the Jets, leading them to victory.
by vy til i die on Oct 19, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
mark sanchez looked "solid"
in his first few games with the jets too….
3/19/2009 - Dogus Balbay Made a Three-Pointer. Never Forget.
by burrito on Oct 19, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve read a little, and it looks like there’s still a lot of disappointment with the kid. I still contend he wasn’t worth a first-day pick, let alone a first-rounder.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 19, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good..
..b/c it was a 2nd rounder.
I think as he grows into the starting role, he’ll be fine, b/c he wasn’t thrown in there immediately.
by vy til i die on Oct 19, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clearly he is a bust
Look at all of that experience he has on the field……..
"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo
by run Bevo run on Oct 19, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, that’s right. He actually fell further than some of the people had him projected. I about lost my lunch when some said he should go in the top 15.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 19, 2009 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
some of the team has quit on Collins. He didn’t look good, but there were also a ton of dropped passes today. Perhaps it was the weather, but even early in that game nobody seemed to want to catch a ball he threw to them.
A few years ago at 0-4 he was pulled and something was salvaged, this year they have left him in ’til 0-6, not sure the players like that decision.
by tdwalsh on Oct 18, 2009 11:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oakland, baby
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.
by Caradoc on Oct 19, 2009 9:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Russell is there so there is no neen for two dual threat QBs. nt
ATX
by Atownatx on Oct 19, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
russell is only a 'dual threat'
to fumble or throw a pick.
3/19/2009 - Dogus Balbay Made a Three-Pointer. Never Forget.
by burrito on Oct 19, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
It’s a damn shame that they were bound and determined to have VY sit back in the pocket and make passes and not take the risk (wild cat) and do something different.
by cpabis on Oct 19, 2009 5:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This is exactly why I prefer college football
The nfl is far too concerned about their prototypes and how they want to run things the standard ways which means little to no innovation and very little variation can be seen in the games. Vince did well in college because there’s more freedom to experiment and see what works, but it’s hard to see what works when the coaches are too obsessed with working conservatively with what works with a certain type of player. Tebow will lay an egg in the nfl due to his playing style and coaches inability to switch it up some. Colt is playing horrible partially because if you haven’t noticed, he’s not running for shit. Remember last season when he ran and threw? Wasn’t it wonderful? Now it seems like he’s being trapped in this little bubble of throwing and it’s weakened his game overall.
It seems vital for
TEXAS FIGHT
by Darklust on Oct 19, 2009 7:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. The NFL is just filler between Saturdays
And normally I only bother with it as a means of keeping track of college players once they’re done.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 19, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too...
Although i have enjoyed watching the Miami Wildcat game with Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams and Pat White. I wish someone would try that creatively with Vince at QB. I think he could be the “anomaly” that could make that work and succeed in the NFL.
Play like you mean it...
by HornsFan87 on Oct 20, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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