So you want a new OC?
by burntorangehorn on Oct 18, 2009 7:41 PM CDT
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First of all, I'll say that I don't think Greg Davis is nearly as large a part of the problem as most seem to think he is, but even so, it's worth asking this: whom would you have the Longhorns hire at OC to replace Davis, were he to leave? A fired offensive-minded head coach like Kragthorpe? A high-performance offense's OC like Dana Holgorson at UH? Promote Major Applewhite?
Really, what are the options at this point? UT can afford whatever it takes, but I'm having a hard time finding a guy who would be a fit for Mack Brown's conservative wishes, yet also has proven to be able to put together consistently-great offenses. So what's the pick?
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I'm glad you asked this
as it seems to be me and you in defense of Greg’s current offense against most everyone else. I really can’t come up with another name where we will not be having the same discussions with that person. Every OC is going to have his good days and his bad days. It’s the nature of the beast.
by aaronlybrand on Oct 18, 2009 8:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s not that I’m even really trying to defend Davis so much as question the apparently-unfounded perception that Davis, not Brown, is the one to blame. I thought it was pretty well-documented that Mack Brown wants a more conservative approach, and that Davis cooks up what the doctor ordered. But where does the blame go when that fails to impress? It just seems completely inconsistent to give Mack a pass and to vilify Davis. What was the word after last year’s offensive output?
Anyway, I have to assume that those calling for GD’s head have better options in mind, and I’d like to know who those options are.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 18, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not calling for GD's head
But if “the masses” cannot be critical of his playcalling/offensive gameplan because he is not the head coach, then what is his function?
Mack does not call the plays, he decides who he wants calling them. Absolving Davis of any responsibility in that capacity is disingenous at best at utterly naive at worst.
Davis is competent as an OC and has managed not to wreck the Ferrari, but he does drive it like a Pinto far too often for my, and a large segment of the fanbases’ liking.
Being critical of someone’s job performance isn’t knee-jerk and it doesn’t mean that I wan’t him fired or that I think I know exactly who would do a better job in his place.
Rather, I would love for GD to do a better job himself than he currently does. What’s so wrong with voicing that opinion?
"It's not that the Irish are cynical. It's rather that they have a wonderful lack of respect for everything and everybody."
-- Brendan Behan --
by Zeno of Citium on Oct 18, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree...
that something is going on and we are playing very conservatively. This is obviously not working due to back to back game saves by the defense. Something needs to change and it needs to happen quickly. The playbook needs to be opened up and Colt needs to start doing more for with his legs. It also seems to me that the wide receivers need a lesson on blocking. The offense has no confidence right now and the running game again is nonexistent. The offense is abysmal.
ATX
by Atownatx on Oct 19, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So last week
You had “evidence” that Greg Davis would come up with a brilliant offensive scheme for the OU game.
I assume that now you have similar “evidence” that its not Davis’ fault but Brown’s, based on your comment:
“the apparently-unfounded perception that Davis, not Brown, is the one to blame”
I think everyone is blaming Davis because he is responsible for designing the playbook, teaching our offensive personell to execute it, and calling plays in the games. But if you have evidence that these are all really Brown’s fault, lets hear it.
“Conservative” is not the problem. When we abandon the run (which was working) for the pass, do you call that conservative? The problem is completely disjointed and shitty playcalling, which involves an unbelievable misunderstanding of what opposing defenses are doing, what offensive personell we utilize, etc.
Brown didn’t get the praise when we put up good numbers, Davis did. But even when we put up good numbers last year, not everyone was happy with Davis. Colt was just playing so much better than everyone else, and Quan and Shipley were playing out of their minds too. More importantly, last year, defenses had not figured out how to slow us down. THIS YEAR THEY HAVE. That calls for adjustments. Davis has made none.
And this is not a one season phenomenon. Davis was clueless before VY. Then VY made him look brilliant. He struggled when Colt took over. Then Colt completes 77% of his passes and makes Davis look good again (again, before defenses learned how to defend us). Now this.
I’m not saying that any OC can be expected to be brilliant all the time. I’m saying that when you really look past the numbers and look at UT’s offense this year and in years past, its pretty obvious that GD is average or worse (this year certainly worse).
I’ll give GD credit for putting VY in an offense that allowed him to succeed, and putting Colt in an offense that allowed him to succeed last year. But an OC must adjust, and more importantly, have an understanding of playcalling in a game. That is why people are so pissed right now. The last couple games have been abominable.
by Texastough on Oct 19, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly...
I don’t know if everyone read HenryJames’ write-up at Barking Carvnival, which appeared in this morning’s BDR, but its worth repeating:
He has no feel for a game, and he calls plays with no concern for down and distance. His performance in the first half was one of his worst. Our first play from scrimmage was just the type of misdirection run that gives OU trouble. We pick up 16 yards and…don’t run it again. Miami destroyed them on a similar play, and we never ran it again. Our second drive we pick up 9 yards on two runs so on 3rd and 1 we go four wide, keep a back in to block and throw it . OU rushes three and sits eight in coverage. Incomplete. Fozzy Whitaker runs the ball twice on our next five drives. OU is blitzing the shit out of us, and we finally call a screen pass to John Chiles. On 3rd and 18.
The Sooners nailed our tendencies, and as usual it took us at least two quarters to do anything about it. They know what routes our receivers will run on 3rd and short. They knew as soon as McCoy lined up under center with Fozzy in the backfield that we were going to run option. Watch Keenan Clayton run up to the line of scrimmage before the snap. Marquise Goodwin was open on his touchdown reception because the Sooners ran a zone blitz and put three guys on Shipley. They almost got two touchdowns by jumping our short throws. Tendencies.
I would also add that our second half performance was only marginally better than the first, and were it not for a [phantom] pass-interference call, we might not have scored a single touchdown. And it isn’t simply the conservative philosophy, it is the play-calling and the preparation, neither of which is Mack’s responsibility.
The sudden support for GD throughout the fanbase is genuinely disturbing me. It reminds me a bit of those classic psych 101 experiments, you know, like the one in which a table of 6 children is shown a picture of a triangle and then asked to name the figure they see, and one by one, the first 5 children (who are all in on the ruse) proclaim confidently that they see a square, and then the administrator of the experiment records how the 6th child responds. Will he ignore the blatantly wrong observations by his peers and answer based on what is obviously apparent, or will he convince himself that his eyes are deceiving him and conform to the group?
It could not be clearer that Greg Davis is a horrible offensive coordinator. But I’ve never seen more support for him throughout the fanbase, Its utterly baffling.
by BrooklynHorn on Oct 19, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you kidding?
You think if the University of Texas has an opening at OC, we have trouble filling it with someone qualified? Just because you don’t know the name of a great OC, doesn’t mean we should keep one who isn’t doing his job at the level he should. You think there is any college OC in the country who wouldn’t want the 20 best HS players in TX every year and a Coach Boom Defense holding opponents to negative rushing yards giving his offense the ball every 3 minutes? Let him go at the end of the season, interview the best 6 OC’s in the country, and pick the best fit.
I lean the other way on this. I think Vince saved Greg Davis’ job by being amazing, and then Colt and the defense of Will Muschamp have saved him since then. You can’t fire your OC when you keep winning that many games, but I feel like we have won many more games in spite of Greg Davis than because of him.
Another thing to think about, and I think this is a post for the boys on this site at a later time, they better have a plan to replace him if he leaves with Mack. Otherwise we are replacing both coordinators in the same year when Boom steps up to be head coach (Whenever that happens). I would love to hear PB and the boys weigh in on that at some point.
"A lot of people look for the easy way to do anything, in swimming there is no easy way." - Eddie Reese
by SwimTexas on Oct 18, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hire Mike Leach.
UT can pay him more booty than TT. Norm Chow is creative, but probably likes being in California too much. Our problem is VY was the greatest thing to happen to Texas over the past two decades (National Title) but may arguably also be one of the worst as well (lifetime contract for all coaches who were on the staff like GD who were smart enough to get out of VY’s way). Keep GD if he’ll stop having receivers run routes of less than one yard and dialing up plays that involve Chiles doing ANYTHING within 7 yards of the line of scrimmage. And while we are making wishes I’ll sign the petition for reinstating a running game that at times utilizes a fullback and lets our line lean on the opposing line for four quarters and wear them down.
by Lincoln on Oct 18, 2009 8:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Major Applewhite
"We'll be baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!"
by greenspointexas on Oct 19, 2009 1:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think the guy NEEDS to be fired
he just needs to tweak the offense to counter what defense’s are doing and put our best players in the best position to make plays. now, if he’s unwilling to do it, then he and his gameplan can take a hike. I’m confident texas can find a great oc.
3/19/2009 - Dogus Balbay Made a Three-Pointer. Never Forget.
by burrito on Oct 18, 2009 8:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed...
GD (and I’ll admit i have no idea how much Mack has to do with this) seems to have big problems with adjusting in the first half…he then seems to take the data and do whatever mojo he does and then come back ready for bidness in the second half…is it wrong to wonder why he can’t seem to adjust sooner?
Perhaps the problem isn’t a Mack and Davis one, but rather a Davis and McWhorter one? The O-line at times has looked much like the one that hung Colt out to dry during his soph slump season, and it wasn’t until almost end of the first half that we started rolling the pocket to address the way OU’s D-line was manhandling us up front. But let’s face it folks Wyoming and Colorado’s D-lines looked good against us for a half of football and that’s quite vexing to say the least…
by longhornJ on Oct 18, 2009 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
he just needs to tweak the offense to counter what defense’s are doing and put our best players in the best position to make plays.
This is why he needs to be fired. This should be, before anything schematic, the primary goal of a coordinator. GD has shown that he is stubborn and arrogant in his play calling (or, if that isn’t the case, incapable of understanding basic defensive concepts). Get him out of here.
If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!
by circa1015 on Oct 19, 2009 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just like mack needed to be fired for not playing freshman ahead of upperclassmen
he came around didn’t he?
3/19/2009 - Dogus Balbay Made a Three-Pointer. Never Forget.
by burrito on Oct 19, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure how much more expertise in the fields of strategy and football concepts you feel you have than anyone on the UT coaching staff, but I’m glad you’re not the one making the staffing calls.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 19, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You just beergutted us.
I’m confident texas can find a great oc.
"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo
by run Bevo run on Oct 19, 2009 6:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mack Needs To Establish Accountability
We need that same laser focus exerted on the defensive side of the ball (thank God for Will) on the offensive side of the ball.
I have no clue who is responsible for the offensive frustration, especially the slow starts – but I do know the following:
1. It will be extremely difficult to run the table if we continue to get off to these slow starts. One of these days – it will cost us.
2. The offensive line is very slow to pick up delayed blitzes.
3. The offensive line flourished when CJ was in and those hogs were firing off the ball. But that is not a significant part of our offense.
I am not sure if anyone deserves to be fired, but for sure Mac and GD need intense scrutiny. Can you imagine where we would be if Muschamp had an equal on the offensive side of the ball?
by realmccoy on Oct 18, 2009 9:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
an NFL assistant
sexy for recruits, has learned how scheme and fundamentals should really be taught, businesslike attitude, no coddling, etc
by Texastough on Oct 18, 2009 10:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess, but an NFL scheme isn’t necessarily going to be better in college.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 19, 2009 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it's nfl experience
you want just wait until next week I hear Jim Zorn will be available j/k! Just off the top of my head though what about Kyle Shanahan? Not sure how he is doing or if he is even still the oc for the texans but atleast he is a former horn!
by IbleedBurntorange on Oct 18, 2009 10:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think
I would let Muschamp call the offense, seems his unit may be responsible for more points in our tough games so far this year than Davis’.
Muschamp would be all, “throw it to Earl Thomas, he’s been catching everything”
and Davis would whine, “but he’s not a receiver”
and Coach Boom would be all “titles and depth charts are for losers, go take another nap in the coaches box and don’t even think about calling another bubble screen to Chiles when you wake up”.
by tdwalsh on Oct 18, 2009 11:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
who i would like.....
mark whipple from miami
or
Gus Malzahn from auburn
Whipple is more pro style and Gus could built on our current scheme….
by TXJason on Oct 18, 2009 11:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Both would be very good candidates.
I say after Dan Hawkins gets fired from Colorado bring him to run the offense. His Boise St. teams used to put up some numbers. There are a lot of coaches who do very well when all they are responsible for is one side of the ball and don’t have to manage the whole team. See Mike Nolan, Norv Turner, Wade Phillips. Who would have thought that Denver Bronco defense would be so dominant this year?
Plus we wouldn’t have to worry about his son taking Gilbert’s spot next year.
by 2Cor12:9 on Oct 18, 2009 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dan Hawkins?
Are you kidding? I watch every Colorado game, and believe me he is the worst option. I think the continued success of Bosie St. after he left shows that the talent stayed in Bosie when Hawkins left.
by Wells on Oct 20, 2009 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't think its possible to be a very
good coordinator and not a good head coach?
by 2Cor12:9 on Oct 20, 2009 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Completely think it is possible
In fact I see GD as exactly that. The issue with Hawkins is I don’t think he is a strategist who can’t lead. He seems more like a guy who’s shtick worked in Bosie where he had a good OC and a team that would believe in his mumbo jumbo, but is now out of his element in Colorado.
by Wells on Oct 20, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm as quick to jump on the Whipple bandwagon as the next guy
But he wouldn’t work here for a number of reasons. OC at Miami to OC at Texas is too small of a promotion. Also, if we ran a “whippleball” system, we would have to spend a few years getting the correct personell; our players couldn’t run it with nearly the same efficiency as what we are seeing at Miami. I also think that Mack would keep him on a tight leash, which would pretty much destroy the biggest draw of the offense, the big-play potential.
If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!
by circa1015 on Oct 19, 2009 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OC at Miami to OC at Texas is too small of a promotion.
Any different than a move from Auburn DC to Texas DC? Particularly since we could presumably pay better?
Formerly kjm017
by Hopkins Horn on Oct 19, 2009 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I should clarify
Firstly, yes. Auburn is an SEC school that has had a lot of recent success, but isn’t up there with Miami and Texas. Secondly, there was a reason we had Chizik for a year and had to give Muschamp the “head coach in waiting” title. We needed good defensive coordinators and they were some of the best in the country, but the move to a head coaching position was in their immediate future, as is the case with Whipple. Had we not given Muschamp his pay-raise and a shot at being the HC for one of the best programs in the country, he would be a head coach at another program right now. Third, it is different for offensive coordinators. There is no logical reason for it, but most programs want to put an emphasis on making sure they have solid offensive production (or a lack of production is a more common reason for coaching vacancies), so it is easier for OC’s to move up the coaching ladder. Seeing what Miami has done on offense this season when compared to us makes it tempting to think that we could get Whipple, but he would cost too much, and then it would be a very temporary solution.
If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!
by circa1015 on Oct 19, 2009 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get your point, though your info is wrong
Firstly, yes. Auburn is an SEC school that has had a lot of recent success, but isn’t up there with Miami and Texas.
If you look at this, Auburn is actually considered a better team than Miami all-time. In addition, the SEC is the power conference at this time and though I’m not hiring any coordinators or coaches, I imagine looks better on a resume.
Had we not given Muschamp his pay-raise and a shot at being the HC for one of the best programs in the country, he would be a head coach at another program right now.
I’m not sure you can determine this info unless you are Will or Carol Muschamp. I can as easily make a case for settling down and establishing roots in a place they have come to love as a motive over money. You might be right, but I like to think he and his family genuinely likes it in Austin.
"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo
by run Bevo run on Oct 19, 2009 6:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree that UT players couldn’t run it as well as, or better than, those at Miami do. But the fact is that Whipple’s offense isn’t performing nearly as well at UT’s has in recent years, so the problem isn’t that it wouldn’t be an upgrade for Whipple; it’s that it almost certainly would be a downgrade for Texas.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 19, 2009 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it’s that it almost certainly would be a downgrade for Texas.
You’re basing that on one half season of being Miami’s OC? If we judge Greg Davis over the same time frame, then Whipple is a clear upgrade. The fact he has implemented an explosive pro set offense in a single off season bodes well for the future.
In any case, I think it would be more logical to judge Whipple on the results he got at U-Mass, with the Steelers and his time under Andy Reid.
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Oct 19, 2009 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think you’ll find any Eagles fans who were especially happy with the offense there.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 19, 2009 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even during the 2008 season, Whipple's only season with the team?
Granted, Eagles fans will complain about anything in my experience.
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Oct 19, 2009 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh, probably true about Philly fans. Yech, they’re third only to Steelers and Ravens fans around here.
But yes, I think they’d complain. They yammer incessantly about McNabb, for example, even during and immediately following his Pro Bowl seasons.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 19, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"fans will complain about anything in my experience"
Well, then he will be prepared to be a Texas OC.
by Wells on Oct 20, 2009 7:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mack has admitted previously....
…. that it was his own conservative meddling that hurt our offensive effectiveness. While I’m sure he means well, it rarely works out. When left to own devices, Greg Davis does a pretty darn good job. Usually that occurs after the halftime.
--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---
by HornChamps on Oct 18, 2009 11:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Still not buying this
GD calls the plays, and the play-calling is as abysmal as the schemes. A quarterback draw, a bubble screen, and an underneath hot route can all be considered conservative plays. But GD doesn’t know which one to call in which situation.
by BrooklynHorn on Oct 19, 2009 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.... Mack just probably made it up.
--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---
by HornChamps on Oct 21, 2009 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's trying to protect his OC from criticism
by Texastough on Oct 21, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is preposterous
GD has been Mack’s fall guy for years. One of the reasons he has been around for so long is that he deflects all of the blame.
by Wells on Oct 21, 2009 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So are you saying Mack does all of the play calling
and lies about THAT.
by BrooklynHorn on Oct 21, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just watch the .....
…..mike boom on his headset. If it is up, there is a good chance of a good playcall. If it is down, his hand covering his every word, then grab your nuts.
--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---
by HornChamps on Oct 23, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't buy this for a minute.
He just doesn’t want to throw under the bus his long time assis and – by all accounts – friend.
"A lot of people look for the easy way to do anything, in swimming there is no easy way." - Eddie Reese
by SwimTexas on Oct 19, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When left to own devices, Greg Davis does a pretty darn good job
I don’t see how you could possibly know when he is and is not left to his own devices to draw this conclusion.
The swine flu takes a Will Muschamp shot every September.
by pleaseplaykindle on Oct 18, 2009 11:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Didn't you know
Craig Way gives us all the inside scoop on his daily radio show.
by 2Cor12:9 on Oct 18, 2009 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's called . . .
. . . finding a way to work in yet another criticism of Mack in a post ostensibly about the Offensive Coordinator.
Formerly kjm017
by Hopkins Horn on Oct 18, 2009 11:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Meant to be below PPK's post
Formerly kjm017
by Hopkins Horn on Oct 18, 2009 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about the janitor who cleans the booth after the games
even he knows not to call half the plays Davis calls.
by BrooklynHorn on Oct 19, 2009 12:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
To answer the question
If you are asking who we could get short term (like before the OSU game), then you possibly have a point about not being able to find a viable candidate without paying out the ass to draw somebody away from a job they are currently doing fine at. But this offseason? I could think of 10-15 just off the top of my head, without delving into the lesser known OCs and HCs that run very successful offenses.
Somewhat related: I don’t think I’ve ever actually read anything to confirm or deny this (just a vague assumption), but I am under the impression that Major is somewhat of an OC-in-waiting right now. He turned Rice around and improved Alabama’s offense somewhat (not a lot, but it wasn’t a good fit). He’s young and has a lot of energy (remind you of anybody else?). Does anybody know anything about it?
If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!
by circa1015 on Oct 19, 2009 12:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
major is mos def the OC - in waiting
muschamp goes to HC – major is OC
muschamp retires – major to HC
simple as that!
"We'll be baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!"
by greenspointexas on Oct 19, 2009 1:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gus Malzahn
end of thread!!!
"We'll be baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!"
by greenspointexas on Oct 19, 2009 1:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Took awhile
but somebody named the only other OC that should even be in consideration.
TEXAS fans are funny and have been for 40 years. Sadly video games have made it even worse, because something works on NCAA ’08, they think it works in the real world.
But I agree we should hold the OC to the same standard as the DC. OC went up against one of the Top 5 defenses in the nation. He doubled their scoring average and yardage averages. This despite 3 turnovers and 10 offensive penalties, 3 of which came after long 1st down gains and were drive killers.
Despite that OC’s gameplan controled the 2nd half TOP by a +10 minute factor, yeah, that sucked didn’t it? Ask Coach Will how important that was by the end of the game.
OTOH, DC went up against one of the worst OL’s in the conference, a 2nd team QB and a banged up running back.
Perspective
by echeese on Oct 20, 2009 7:32 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If you only judge Greg Davis against fellow ranked teams against the OU defense
your results will differ greatly.
Perspective.
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Oct 20, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let us not forget......
“He doubled their scoring average and yardage averages. This despite 3 turnovers and 10 offensive penalties, 3 of which came after long 1st down gains and were drive killers.”
….that OC benefited from 5 turnovers and at least 4 defensive penalties (2 personal fouls & 2 defensive pass interference). Looks like OC came out way ahead in that deal.
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by HornChamps on Oct 26, 2009 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Almost nobody is better than GD
He fits Texas perfectly. And besides Applewhite is perfect for when coach boom takes over. Think about it. Major knows the fans, program and personnel type better than anyone and what high school kid in this state won’t wanna play for him.
You can't spell COCKSUCKER without OU.
by nathantx57 on Oct 19, 2009 2:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i want my OC held to the same standard as the DC
akina got demoted when he wasn’t cutting it
and that’s fine
he has a great spot doing what he’s good at
davis does a decent job designing concepts
when it comes to actual play calls and in game situations he’s terrible
that’s unacceptable
by abcdmetrius on Oct 19, 2009 7:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
How did Akina’s defense rate nationally before he was demoted?
And if you want the OC and DC held to the same standard, what is that standard? How do you determine whether or not he’s doing well? If you look at national rankings, the UT offense is almost always at or near the top offensively.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 19, 2009 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How 'bout Heimerdinger?
I really am looking for candidates who are possible considerations based on both their past success and likelihood that they’d be available. Heimerdinger seems like he could be fired, whether or not Fisher’s fired. He has plenty of experience at both the collegiate and NFL level.
Heck, bring him on as co-OC and QBs coach, without losing Davis, for all I care.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 19, 2009 9:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Josh McDaniels
I don’t think that’s an unreasonable request. NFL HC to TX OC is a lateral move
by andmyster on Oct 19, 2009 9:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Just hire Shanahan and be done with it. Or steal Kyle Shanahan.
Of course, it would seem odd to have him overseeing Major. A lot of people make a big deal out of Major’s rapid ascent, but could any be more rapid than Kyle’s?
by burntorangehorn on Oct 19, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is the real problem Greg Davis
or is it the bad play of Colt McCoy? Definately not heisman-like. The best QB in the OU/Texas game was Landry Jones, no question.
by sam0807 on Oct 19, 2009 9:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
None of the above. I think the real problem is the offensive line at this point.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 19, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which, by the way, makes me think that perhaps people here ought to be more critical of Mac than GD or Mack. He’s receiving fire for his weight-gain program, but not for how he coaches the line, from what I’ve seen.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 19, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hard to play well when your OL can't block for shit
Not that Colt hasn’t made some questionable throws, but when the guy gets knocked on his ass so often that Brent Musberger is keeping a running tally in the press box, you have to expect he’s not going to look Heisman-worthy.
by bassale47 on Oct 19, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The reason it's so frustrating
Mack used to be an offensive coordinator. It’s not like he’s the defensive-minded head coach who doesn’t care what the offense is doing. He cannot possibly be watching what’s happening on offense and think Greg Davis is doing anywhere near as well as he should be doing. I am convinced Greg Davis has enough ammo to ruin Mack Brown’s life. There’s no other explanation for this guy still being around.
And I agree that the “the buck stops with the head coach” argument fails to address the real problem. It is Mack’s fault that Davis is still the OC, but it is not Mack’s fault that Davis sucks at his job. I’ve seen Greg Davis dissect game film. I know he is an incredibly intelligent man. But he coaches not to lose. He’s the guy who does just enough to get by and can’t be bothered to do his best. And if this is his best, his office should be cleaned out by the end of the day.
by bassale47 on Oct 19, 2009 9:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The argument isn’t so much that the buck stops at Mack, but rather that Davis is executing the offensive approach that Mack wants to take.
Mack used to be an offensive coordinator, but do you know what kind of offense he ran?
by burntorangehorn on Oct 19, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
rather
that Davis is NOT executing any offensive approach, whether its the one Mack wants, Davis’ own, a cobbled-together immitation of other offenses, etc
by Texastough on Oct 19, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That rings pretty hollow, considering the output thus far. It also ignores the failings of some of the players this season.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 19, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree on OL which has disappointed
There is no reason, UT’s O-line shouldnt be the best in the country with the athletes available. The D-line is getting it done…
by sam0807 on Oct 19, 2009 9:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Found this
When Mack Brown was the head coach at Carolina, Darrell Moody was the offensive coordinator from 1988-95. But Brown, a running back as a player and offensive coach his entire career, had significant influence on the offense. For the 1988-89 seasons, Moody called the plays. Brown took over that responsibility from 1990-94 while Moody was still in charge of game-planning and running practices. When Brown’s time and focus became stretched during the 1995 season with helping to raise funds to build the new Kenan Football Center, Moody took back the play-calling responsibility.
by sam0807 on Oct 19, 2009 10:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If it's Mack's conervatism that is holding GD back,
wouldn’t he start to loosen the reins now the Defense has proven itself capable of shutting down the opposition? I don’t buy the premise, but, if true, we should start to see a little imagination.
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by zamm on Oct 19, 2009 10:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Darrell Moody as OC
He is now with the Chargers, could be a possibility. Sadly, his wife of 38 years recently passed away. Maybe a change would be good for him.
by sam0807 on Oct 19, 2009 10:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Look to our farm team at Auburn
Give me Mahlzan. His record is astonishing.
by DaGoose on Oct 19, 2009 10:18 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
OC of UT, and no head coach offers.
Greg Davis’ lack of appeal throughout the NCAA (and not just from UT fans) is obvious. How many championship teams, that are perennial 10-11 game winners, are able to keep their OC or DC year after year? These are the guys that schools on the cusp seek out and hire as head coaches. The fact that a Fresno, U of H, or any Big East team looking to crack into a BCS bid, has not even considered GD speaks volumes of his ineptitude.
by jarrodmhoss on Oct 19, 2009 10:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
SMU wanted him a couple years ago
and i think i remember him getting a look from Minnesota before that.
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by burrito on Oct 19, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some of our biggest donors...
….. pushed that concept on their biggest donors. They weren’t fooled. His “interview” was nothing more than professional courtesy.
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by HornChamps on Oct 26, 2009 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we need a predicatability coach
In my opinion we have plays that work. The problem is not that given a certain down and distance we are predictable on offense. The problem seems to me to be given certain personnel packages and formations, we are predictable. Given we line up quickly with a running back after a positive play, we ARE going to run the ball. No play-action to worry about. Given Cody is in on short yardage with no lead back, Colt is going to sneak. It just seems the formations and personnel packages at the start of the play limit what the defense needs to look for. And the Colt throw off the WildHorn… wasn’t that exactly what we ran against Tech? So OU had that on film.
by bevoluble on Oct 19, 2009 12:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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