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Even if we lose to Mizzou or OSU . . .

This might be a subject better left as a comment in the weekly Race for the Roses feature, but I didn't see it this week, and in case it doesn't reappear, i wanted to throw this out on the table for discussion.

Obviously, we win out and we're in.  And with the caveat that anything can happen any given week (see USC-Stanford, 2007), I'd feel pretty comfortable looking into cheap flights to the Los Angeles area for the first week of January if we wake up undefeated on November 1.

But are we really in that bad shape of getting to Pasadena even if we lose either to Mizzou or OSU?

For the following, I am assuming that (1) one, and exactly one, SEC team will be in the championship game, (2) the loss we'd suffer would be of the excusable type (think USC-Washington this year) and not of the mind-numbingly unforgivable type (think Tech-OU last year), and (3) despite the loss, we go 11-1, win the South and then win the Big XII Championship.

Look at the universe of undefeated teams (from all conferences) and one-loss teams (from BCS conferences), not including those from the SEC and Big XII since they're irrelevant for this discussion:

Undefeated teams

  • Iowa
  • Boise State
  • TCU
  • Cincinnati

One-loss teams

  • USC
  • Miami
  • Georgia Tech
  • Oregon
  • Penn State
  • Pitt
  • West Virginia
  • USF

Off all the teams on this list, only one -- a one-loss USC -- would almost certainly pass us if we lose.  But would anyone else on that list pass us as well?

The only other teams I would even consider threats are, in order of likelihood, an undefeated Iowa, an undefeated Cincinnati, a one-loss Miami and a one-loss Oregon.

I find it hard to believe that an undefeated Big 10 champ would not get the bid over a one-loss team from another conference.  However, the fact that an undefeated Big 10 team is already sitting behind teams from the Big East and -- gasp! -- the WAC says all you need to know about the perceived credibility of the Big 10.  If I were an Iowa fan, I'd be extending a giant finger towards Columbus for the complete destruction of the conference's reputation.  I would guess that an undefeated Iowa has about a 50-50 chance of passing a one-loss Texas.

(For that same reason, I would say that Penn State's chances of passing a one-loss Texas are virtually nil even if they win out.)

I think an undefeated Cincinnati has slightly less than a 50-50 chance of passing a one-loss Texas.  I contend that Cincinnati's biggest problem is one that cannot be overcome: the fact that their jerseys say "Cincinnati" and not "West Virginia" or "Pittsburgh" or the name of another Big East school with more of a big-time football tradition.  Voters just aren't comfortable with them being ranked so highly.  However, they are from a BCS conference, and that will count for something in voters' minds.  They would also almost certainly be ranked ahead of us by the computers -- I tend to believe that computers would place a greater emphasis on their going undefeated than would humans.

I think there is zero chance of an undefeated Boise State or TCU taking the place of a one-loss Texas.

A one-loss Miami passing us is plausible, but the Hurricanes' loss was pretty bad.  I don't think they'd be able to overcome it enough to pass a one-loss Texas.

That leaves Oregon. An 11-1 Oregon team would end the season on an 11-game winning streak, which would include a victory at home over USC.  I don't have a feel for how far they could rise and whether they'd overtake a one-loss Texas.  However, working in our favor is the fact that a one-loss Oregon going to Pasadena instead of an undefeated Boise State would raise all sorts of issues, issues which could be most easily avoided by keeping Oregon as far away from Pasadena as possible.

The point of this post is that, in the event we do lose one of the next two weeks, it would be way, way too early to panic, and that we would more likely than not only be a USC loss away from being back in the drivers seat for Pasadena.  Teams have needed far crazier things to come through in the past than what we would need.

Or am I downplaying the chances Iowa/Cincy/Miami/Oregon would have of passing a one-loss Texas?

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just win baby win

we’re texas, we’ll get jobbed if we’re not perfect
thems the rules we’re playing with
so let’s play the game

i know we’d like to sit here and say but if this happens then that could happen
but it won’t
always expect the worst
remember last year?
remember the year before that with the turds we laid against aggie or ksu
or the year before that etc etc
i mean it’s gonna be something
thank goodness we have coach boom

by abcdmetrius on Oct 19, 2009 7:50 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

After last year, I've given up on playing the x, y, or z scenario game

it’s just too frustrating/stressful to be worrying about. I’ve learned my lesson. we control our destiny and if we give up that power we deserve the short end of the stick.

3/19/2009 - Dogus Balbay Made a Three-Pointer. Never Forget.

by burrito on Oct 19, 2009 8:37 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

we will drop like a rock if we lose, media is already down on us, only reason we are #3 right now is that usc has 1-loss.

just keep win and hope for some trip ups by the rest of the undefeated teams as well as usc

by ThunderHorn on Oct 19, 2009 8:48 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

There's no way a one loss USC / Texas jumps an undefeated Iowa

I’m not sure, but Cinncinatti may be in the same boat.

The rules of the good ‘ol boys club are like you said, "You win, you’re in".

Now if there are multiple undefeateds, it gets more complicated, but no one is going to put a team with one loss over an undefeated BCS conference champ, especially not the Big 10 conference champ.

by notsofst on Oct 19, 2009 9:13 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

We lose and ....

we are trying to win the Big 12 and play in the Fiesta. Based on our schedule, the only game I can see us potentially losing is at Okie Light in 2 weeks. But no Dez will hurt OSU in this game.

Missouri – they are a so so team, have lost 2 straight and the Texas line will control this game like last year.
Okie Light – the Texas Tech game of last year – national tv, night game, halloween, probable ESPN game day
Central Fla – win
Baylor – win
Kansas – yes, they have a great QB but their defense is terrible – lost to Colorado. Texas defense will spank KU
Aglets – did you see KSU

Big 12 championship – KSU is leading but I expect Nebraska or Kansas in this game and it is in Dallas and will be basically a home game for Texas

If we ever have a year set up to play in the MNC with our schedule and the events that have happened to other teams, this is it.

by texascfo on Oct 19, 2009 9:32 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Reesing 2009 hasn't been like Reesing 2008 or 2007 so far.

Much like Colt 2009.

Kansas – yes, they have a great QB

by ajax77777 on Oct 19, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

IF

We are destined to lose a game better to do so against a North division team. A non-con loss is generally more preferable (ie: UCF), however, timing outweighs this here.

by DaGoose on Oct 19, 2009 10:03 AM CDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

SEC

In your scenario, if Florida and Alabama were undefeated in the SEC championship, they would rematch for the MNC

by Texastough on Oct 19, 2009 10:59 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think so

As Ohio St Michigan showed a couple of years ago. Even two teams who at the time were thought to be far and away better than everyone else (later this was shown not to be the case) will not repeat the last game of the season in the championship.

Which leads to another question, is the SEC costing themselves more money (by not getting the chance to have two teams in the national championship) than they are gaining by having a SEC championship?

by Wells on Oct 20, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't think so
is the SEC costing themselves more money (by not getting the chance to have two teams in the national championship) than they are gaining by having a SEC championship?

This is assuming that there is money to be made in having a conference championship game, of course.

The odds of getting two teams from the same conference in the BCS championship game are very slim regardless of whether that conference has a championship game of its own. OSU-Michigan is a great example. But in those situations, if there are two teams from the same conference in the national championship conversation, that almost certainly means they have two teams that will qualify for the BCS. How much is the payout difference between a second team in the championship game and a second team merely in the BCS? And is the slim chance of making up that difference any given year worth giving up the sure-fire revenue from a conference championship game?

Formerly kjm017

by Hopkins Horn on Oct 20, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know the rules about

conference members meeting for the national title. I guess it could happen.

I do know the human voters aren’t going to let that happen. That’s what should have happened in 2006, when Ohio State (at home) won that shootout with Michigan. The Wolverines were No. 2 going and should have stayed No. 2; on many ballots they did. But as voting done not one day but one week, two weeks after Ohio State-Michigan came out, the Wolverines kept slipping back.

Same thing is happening this year with Boise State. Voters, right or wrong, are “creating” the matchup by saying, with their ballots, that they don’t want a 13-0 Boise State in the MNC game.

Same thing will happen with the Florida-Alabama loser. Now, if you get a 38-37, 3 OT thriller, that might lead to a rematch. But doubtful, as long as there’s a 1-loss Texas or USC or Oregon or Miami available.

by edsp on Oct 19, 2009 11:35 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

SEC Rematch Scenario

It’s not Florida-Alabama II (i.e. the two undefeated teams meet in Atlanta and then meet again a month later) unless everyone else in the country has at least two losses.

It would be Florida-Alabama I. The specific scenario is: (1) LSU beats Alabama (preferably in a very close manner) and wins out to win the SEC West, (2) Alabama wins out to finish 11-1, (3) Florida beats LSU again in the SEC Championship game, and (4) Alabama is judged the second best team in the county, which would require at the very least a Texas loss, and maybe a USC and/or Iowa loss as well. In this case, you could have an all-SEC championship game without the rematch factor.

Formerly kjm017

by Hopkins Horn on Oct 19, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BCS needs a new rule

If they’re not willing to give us a true playoff playoff, at the very least they need to add a rule that only conference champions can meet in the MNC. If you can’t win your own conference you do not deserve to play for the MNC.

by drycreek on Oct 19, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hopkins, I like your post

But respectfully disagree. The way we have looked this year, against Colorado and a weakened OU, any loss will drop us steep in the polls. Also, teams that did already lose have had time to erase those memories from the minds of the voters.

If UT loses, we would need all holy hell to break out to get back in the MNC picture. In all likelihood we play TCU or Boise State in the Fiesta Bowl (assuming Mack doesn’t have a total meltdown and allow some other team to back in to the Big 12 title which has happened twice before).

by the1austin on Oct 19, 2009 3:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

So if we lose a game . . .

. . . which teams besides USC do you think we’d fall behind? I would assume at least Iowa and Cincy. Anyone else?

Formerly kjm017

by Hopkins Horn on Oct 19, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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