OU next year
by Horncasting on Oct 22, 2009 5:11 PM CDT
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I'm always interested to know who we've faced for the last time and who we'll have to face again in the RRS. Below are the Srs. who will use up their eligibility, and the Jrs. who might jump early to the NFL from OU's depth chart.
Offense
QB
Bradford - Jr. - Not a 100% done deal, but most do not expect him to risk his payday again.
RB/FB
Brown - Sr.
Clapp - Sr.
Murray - Jr. - I honestly have not heard anything regarding his plans for next year, or even his draft stock.
TE
Gresham - Sr. - I'm not sure if he could get another year of eligibility if he wanted, but the consensus is he is gone.
Eldridge - Sr.
WR
Tennell - Sr.
OL
T. Williams (starting LT) - Sr.
B. Simmons (starting LG before injury) - Sr.
Eldridge (starting LG this week - also included above as a TE) - Sr.
Defense
DT/NG
McCoy - Jr. - Most people expect him to jump this year. He almost did last year as a RS Soph.
Cordero Moore - Sr.
Granger - Sr. (not currently listed on the depth chart)
DE
English - Sr.
Beal - Jr. - but may leave early.
LB
Clayton - Sr.
Reynolds - Sr.
CB
Brian Jackson - Sr.
Bradford and Gresham aren't really losses from what they had on the field this year, but I included them as neither will be back next year (probably). OL, WR and the secondary actually return quite a bit, and I expect Landry Jones to be a pretty good QB by the time the RRS rolls around next year.
Pretty big hits along the front 7 on defenese (5 starters if Beal jumps).
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Travis Lewis is a draft eligible RS Soph and is expected to be projected into the middle of the first round, meaning he is a possibility to declare early.
Also, Ryan Reynolds recently stated his intention to apply for a 6th season of eligibility after this year due to medical hardship and is likely to come back and play next year if granted (which is generally a given).
by 6th street on Oct 22, 2009 5:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't see how he's going to be granted a sixth year
The rule is you have to have played in less than 30% of your teams games to be elgible and if I’m not mistaken the Texas game he got hurt in last year was game 6 out of a 14 game schedule. My math tells me that’s more than 30%. But either way I don’t see him as a game changer that would make a huge difference in the RRR next year.
by 2Cor12:9 on Oct 22, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well...he was a beast last year
and it wasn’t until he got hurt and went out that Texas decided to drop the hammer offensively…The guy is a talent, and I’d much rather him be in the NFL because he WILL make a difference.
by jacobb23 on Oct 24, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he has much of a chance being in the NFL
then why doesn’t he go this year instead of coming back for a sixth year?
I agree that he will make a difference, but my quote was game changer and that Ryan Reynolds is not.
by 2Cor12:9 on Oct 24, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to wonder why it’s a given. Reynolds played all the way up to and including the RRS last year, which is well past the maximum allowable for a season to qualify for medical redshirt. Did he go down much earlier along in a previous season?
by burntorangehorn on Oct 22, 2009 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Murray Was A Top Rated Back
To me has been disappointing – he would prolly have to re-evaluate. My guess is he is gone – especially after watching Sam and realizing his risk is sky high as well.
by realmccoy on Oct 22, 2009 6:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good point, realmccoy
With Bradford AND Gresham essentially losing this season (1) not playing in college, and (2) not drawing NFL dollars, you’d think a lot of draft-eligible teammates might opt to cash in now. Course, players on opposing teams might think that was as well.
by edsp on Oct 22, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think the rare instances of Bradford and Gresham will have as large an impact as people contend
Yes, they’ll be yet more exhibits when agents get in their ears and tell them to jump, but it’s not like there weren’t already exhibits out there.
I think the NFL CBA situation could have as large an empirical impact as any other factor.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 22, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus
Granger (DT) is sitting out this season after two surgeries late last year and another this summer. Believe I read he’ll apply for a hardship season. He was a stud at one point
by edsp on Oct 22, 2009 6:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
On the Texas Side
We get 3 starter hits on the OL – Uli, Hall, Tanner. The big whammy at QB with Colt. Another big whammy at WR with Jordan. So we lose 5 starters on the Offense.
Defensively we take 3 big hits on the DL with Alexander, Houston, and the huge one in Sergio. LB another outstanding player in Muck. I project all secondary back – primarily because Earl is slotted behind Mays and Berry and would be wise to return. So we lose 4 on defense.
We may be looking at an end to the Texas OU stranglehold at the top of the South Division. But I doubt it.
by realmccoy on Oct 22, 2009 6:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm less worried at DT
Alexander’s been playing well, but so has Randall, aside from the roughing. Houston’s been a real trooper, and I love the selfless play he brings, but I think some other big ends could convert and have fairly comparable impacts. That’s not a knock on Houston so much as a statement about how talented the depth is right now.
At end, Kindle should be a pretty big loss. He’s been drawing a lot of attention that has made things easier for Acho and the others, yet he still gets a zillion QB pressures and is on track with the sacks now. But I think the great snaps we’ve seen of Okafor and Jones give reason for optimism.
Re: Muck…well, if he has good NFL projections, sure, he could forgo his chance to apply for a sixth season of eligibility, but I’m not sure he’s bound for the first round or even the first day right now. He’s been a wonderful college player, but I’m not sure how highly scouts are going to covet him.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 22, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Orakpo was suppose to be a big loss last year
Texas just reloads!
by Longhorns84 on Oct 23, 2009 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DT
My main concern there is who is going to play the DT position that anchors the middle, takes up double teams, etc. so the other DT’s and DE’s can make plays in the backfield. I don’t see Randall as that type of player and I’m not sure if Howell is either. All of the freshmen (including D. Johnson) we’d just be guessing at right now, although they don’t lack the size.
by Horncasting on Oct 23, 2009 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you thinking of Norton?
I think Muck is done.
by realmccoy on Oct 23, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I'm thinking of Muck, although Norton could also apply for a medical redshirt
Muck went down early enough one season, I believe his RS-Fr. year, that he should qualify for a medical redshirt, as I’ve posted a few times. I have a fanpost up about it somewhere, comparing where he went down to other guys who successfully applied for sixth seasons. It looked pretty good for him, if he chooses to go that route.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 24, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The D
I’m not worried about the D at all as long as Muschamp is at Texas. Everytime we worry about a position, it becomes our strength.
The offense is different. I really don’t think there will be a huge drop off from Colt to GG. The O-Line will be fine. the WR are deep. The RB’s are deep.
by Longhorns84 on Oct 23, 2009 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There will be a huge drop from Colt to GG
Experience and leadership sorely missed.
by realmccoy on Oct 23, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Disagree on the "huge" & "sorely" part
Drop off?-some
Missed?-yes, at least for the 1st game.
Huge & sorely?-nuh uh.
by orangetower on Oct 23, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
that’s either quite a bit to put on a true sophomore’s shoulders… or a lot to put on the results from one mediocre week…
by Pflash on Oct 23, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's talk October 2nd, 2010
Not trying to be a jerk. I am just very confident that Gilbert will be ready and able to get the job done. He will be a true sophomore by age, but by no means ordinary.
I don’t judge Colt’s mediocre week to be the standard either. Colt will be fine, but the page will turn after January 7th, 2010 and I am looking forward to the script.
by orangetower on Oct 23, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. Let's wait
FWIW . . . Gilbert will be better prepared to step in than the RS freshman Colt was in 2006. Gilbert was much more highly regarded entering college.
Just sayin’
by edsp on Oct 23, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You do realize that Colt is far and away the top passer in Texas history, right?
You expect a true sophomore with little experience to put up anything close to that?
by burntorangehorn on Oct 24, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems pretty unrealistic.
Expecting any second-year player to put up the kind of season Colt had is very unrealistic. For some reason the logic seems to be, hey, Colt was only a three-star QB, and he put up great numbers, so a five-star QB ought to be all-american his freshman season.
That hound doesn’t appear to hunt.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 24, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never Fucking Fails
The most popular guy on the team is always the backup QB.
Some people will never realize how good we have it with Colt…like he’s some replaceable cog in our offensive machine. He Davis-proofs the offense almost as well as VY did.
Just cause some kid has 5 stars next to his name doesn’t mean shit until he proves it.
by DogTown on Oct 24, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have to be kidding me
where does anyone think that GG is more “popular” than Colt, and point out where anyone bases that off of Colt’s shortcomings this year? No one and I mean NO ONE is discrediting Colt.
You’re jumping to conclusions and putting words in orangetower’s mouth.
Get off your knees Greg, you're blowin' the game.
by kriess on Oct 24, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t recall OT actually saying this, but I have seen some who have made statements that we could mark their words that Gilbert will be better than Colt. There is simply no reason that any of us could make that statement without being unrealistic and getting caught up in the hype.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 24, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so...
..being devil’s advocate here, why can’t we expect GG to have the same numbers Colt put up his RS-freshman year?
by vy til i die on Oct 24, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We may be looking at the end,
but I don’t see who jumps up there. Tech will be about what they have been, and they’ve never won in Norman. OSU looses the QB, the stud LT, probably Dez.. Should at least be more balanced.
by edsp on Oct 22, 2009 8:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't imagine we're not in contention for the title next year
If Mack and Muschamp are still around, we’ll have one of the better defenses in the conference if not the best defense, as well as a very highly touted GG under center who is going to work in our same system with Goodwin/Williams catching passes.
It’s going to be a good game next year, but we can’t lay an egg on offense like we did this year and still win. In fact, this year was a rare year where we could lay an egg like that and still win
by notsofst on Oct 22, 2009 8:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's just it--look at the schedule
at Rice
WYOMING
UCLA
FLORIDA ATLANTIC
vs. Oklahoma (Dallas)
at Nebraska
IOWA STATE
BAYLOR
at Kansas State
OKLAHOMA STATE
at Texas Tech
TEXAS A&M
So barring the usual concerns about trap games and unforeseen upsets, who’s the most intimidating opponent? OU, with all the losses listed above? Tech in Lubbock, with a more experienced version of the transitioning WR corps and presumably the better of the two current QB candidates? Nebraska’s tough-nosed D and evolving offense in Lincoln? UCLA? I have to admit that next year’s schedule doesn’t look all that intimidating right now.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 22, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
UCLA
I wonder how the haters will turn this into a negative.
by Longhorns84 on Oct 23, 2009 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
im a little late on this post,
but anytime we play KSU in Manhattan, i’m a little worried. I just remember what happened last time, and I hate them.
by jacobb23 on Oct 24, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Texas O-line next year will be:
LT- Hix
LG- Allen
C- Snow
RG- Huey- Walters
RT- Mitchell
by Longhorns84 on Oct 23, 2009 12:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
with the problem there being
Hix at LT. Kyle has shown some good plays and strong run-blocking at times, but he is often physically dominated (last year by Orie Lemon of Oklahoma State and this year by English and Beal of OU). He is going to have to step it up big time in pass protection if he’s going to have GG’s blindside.
by burnt in ny on Oct 23, 2009 5:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It kind of makes me wonder if he might be better-suited for RT
except there’s nothing indicating there’s a better option at LT right now.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 23, 2009 7:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Healthy Walters
I know he’s young, but I think will prove to be hands down one of the best OT’s we’ve seen. Spring and summer will be pivotal for him. Almost as much as for GG. Britt Mitchell has also looked good at times on the right side.
I agree with Longhorns 84;
I’m not worried about the D at all as long as Muschamp is at Texas. Everytime we worry about a position, it becomes our strength.
Randall, Johnson, and even Sam Acho breaking down to DT on occasion will be a big help. Eddie Jones, Okafor, Dos Acho (either one…I see Emmanuel taking the Sergio role as buck) along with Carter (also could be DT) making up the ends. I really think we will see some of Reggie Wilson early and often as well. I hope he comes in the spring.
I for one am really jazzed to see Gilbert take this team. I love Colt and we’ve been spoiled with his accuracy and level of success, but something about GG’s game makes me giddy. I honestly think we move to another dimension. No knock on anyone, just the progress of the talent pools in the NCAA and the levels we’re moving to.
I think the O-line will be our catalyst for next years success.
by orangetower on Oct 23, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously he had a great high school career
But the snaps he’s been getting so far at UT haven’t really shown much cause for either pessimism or optimism.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 24, 2009 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gilbert, I meant there.
Why Acho in the buck? I’d figure he’d be most critical to the LB corps, while Okafor’s a natural fit at buck.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 24, 2009 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That could be...
But I’m not sure Okafor has the snaps yet for the buck? Good point too about the LB corp. Muck will be missed, but E Acho has the tools to go there.
I think it will be interesting though. The gripe on Kindle was 2 years of waisted time with previous administrations. If Okafor is the one Muschamp wants to groom, then guess what? Okafor’s the man.
Let me just mention something about Gilbert. The reason I’m so high on him isn’t because what we have or haven’t seen at UT. I just have a great sense that this kid is very special. Colt came in and didn’t try to fill VY’s shoes, but instead put his own shoes on display. I think Gilbert will be the latest model coming out and be a differnet type of QB even still. The most impressive thing I see in him is a leadership quality which transcends hype or dillusion. I think he is the real deal from day one and I can’t wait to see the way he manages a complete game at this level.
by orangetower on Oct 24, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What examples of leadership have you seen of him? I’m asking quite seriously, because I didn’t really watch anything but a few season wrap-up reels of his high school career. He hasn’t shown any unusual level of leadership in games, so I’m guessing you’re drawing your optimism from his high school days. Is this correct?
by burntorangehorn on Oct 24, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plenty
you dont just walk through Texas HS football with 2 state championships, and not be a leader. Yes college is different, but learning how to lead is the same.
Yes, if i read correctly orangetower is drawing optimism from leadership qualities based on GG’s days at Lake Travis. I have to agree with him on this one. I expect GG to be just a tad bit better than Colt 2006, because of his role as a leader in High School.
When a QB has great success in High School against decent/great competition, its because they learned how to be a leader early on. Do I expect him to complete over 76% of his passes next year? No. But I do expect him to lead just the way Colt is doing now, because he’s learning from the best, and he did the same in HS.
Get off your knees Greg, you're blowin' the game.
by kriess on Oct 24, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t expect him to perform as well next year as Colt did in 2006. I think Colt’s very much an anomaly.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 24, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Colt also had the blessing
of some of the MNC O-Line and a better RB than anyone currently on the roster.
Colt’s 2006 season will likely be singular for first year Texas QBs for a long time to come, and not just because of his own considerable skills.
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Oct 24, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jamaal Charles?
He was a bigger impact player than any of the current guys, but 2006 was definitely his least-impressive season.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 24, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was still good for over 1000 total yards (at 5.3 a carry and 10 a reception) and 8 touchdowns – in his least impressive year. Which back on the current roster has a similar floor?
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Oct 24, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think a number of them have a similar floor if given the same conditions—namely, a similar offensive approach and line.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 24, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is another place we differ
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Oct 24, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't think McGee, Whitaker, etc.
Would do much better if they were given the same conditions as Charles had? I think the current backs don’t produce much because the line is bad at run-blocking, the coaches are much more content to spread the carries as thinly as possible, and the scheme is much more pass-oriented.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 24, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose that depends on what you’re asking. Do I think McGee, Whitaker et al would be better if they had the 2006 offensive line? Yes, I do. Do I think that any of the current players bring as much to the table as Charles? No, I don’t think that argument could be made rationally.
Jamaal Charles was an elite college back. Unlike the current 5 headed monster, he was a competent enough pass blocker (though SY was much better, but unlike Whitaker he wasn’t an unequivocal liability), a receiving threat, and a one cut running threat who didn’t require the acceleration time Johnson and McGee do. The fact he was often the fastest player on the field meant he had to be accounted for in ways that most of the current running backs do not, in both the running and the passing game.
The fact his presence in the game didn’t telegraph to the opposing defense what kind of play was coming, and UT ran something approximating a base personnel set made the run blocking better compared to the current situation. The 2007 line was certainly not all world, borderline 2009ish, but Charles excelled.
The current set of individual packages for each running back does a proper job of minimizing the weaknesses of each back, but highlights weaknesses in the rest of the offense. I.e. UT doesn’t run an empty set with Johnson, and I can’t recall one with McGee or Newton. Monroe and Whitaker won’t be called to pass block out of the three wide set, or will be abject liabilities if so. McGee is a liability in the zone read, Johnson is not your man for the counter, and Monroe won’t see the field for 3rd and 3. One could go on at some length. For a team with four run plays, the personnel sets make the run game even easier to defend, and for that reason a little misdirection goes a long way.
Now, do I think a running game could be crafted, even by Greg Davis around any two backs on the roster? Sure. But none of them have the strengths Charles did to thrive in the current four play scheme, with or without a solid offensive line.
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Oct 24, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you think Charles was not only far superior in 2006 to any back Texas has right now, he also offset the rather significant differences in receiving talent?
by burntorangehorn on Oct 24, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't have time to deal with a strawman
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Oct 24, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure what straw man you’re seeing, but it sure looks like you think Charles provided a bigger benefit to Colt than the deep WR corps is likely to provide to Gilbert.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 24, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Imma a let you finish...
but Colt had the best Texas WR corps of ALL TIME.
(seriously, its true).
The swine flu takes a Will Muschamp shot every September.
by pleaseplaykindle on Oct 24, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
in 2006 that is.
The swine flu takes a Will Muschamp shot every September.
by pleaseplaykindle on Oct 24, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really, REALLY disagree. Sweed and _ vs. the 2009 and 2010 charts? I know we don’t know how things are going to be exactly in 2010, but the depth looks incredible—way better than in 2006.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 24, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, that’s completely different than what I perceived you were saying. Answer, to some extent.
A credible run game releases pressure on the QB in a different way that wide receivers. The QB is still responsible for making a play with his arm in the passing game, no matter how good the WRs are. The running game gives a quarterback a mental respite from having to be a 70% passer to make the offense work.
Thus far the WR corps hasn’t shown itself to be as deep as preseason expectations suggested, i.e. a true freshman who many thought would be a redshirt is expected to start tonight.For a first year QB, would a vacuum hands Quan Cosby, a deep threat in Sweed and the always underrated Billy Pittman be better than a deep threat in Williams/Goodwin and Goodwin/Collins (I guess) playing the possession guy? Buckner is better than Finley as a receiver, though I’m not sure how I feel about comparing a Flex TE to a true TE. Collins is an unknown, Kirkendoll has regressed and Chiles needs to make a leap or two.
I feel like I should mention Shipley as a sophomore, but he hadn’t become Jordan Shipley Destroyer of Sooners yet.
Is all of that enough to overcome an elder statesman in the backfield who could block, run and receive in SY and a home run threat who could block (though not yet well as a soph), run and receive in JC. We won’t know until they suit up next season, but I don’t like the odds.
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Oct 24, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't call a (true, I think?) sophomore in the backfield an elder statesman
But that alone obviously doesn’t invalidate your points. He’s a better blocker, receiver, and rusher than any of the current guys have been. The thing is, though, that he really didn’t show much of those abilities in 2006.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 24, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was referring to Selvin
He was the other part of the two headed monster. And I think my point stands that UT could and did run a very similar offense with either back in the game.
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Oct 24, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Colt’s 2006 season will likely be singular for first year Texas QBs for a long time to come, and not just because of his own considerable skills.
Which is another reason I think the high expectations of Gilbert are quite unrealistic.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 24, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Colt is an anomaly
Gilbert has the potential for supernova
As I stated above;
I think the O-line will be our catalyst for next years success.
If the O-line can do offseason what the D-line did this offseason, then we will be in the hunt and I expect nothing less than MNC contention, especially with Muschamp’s 3rd year.
I won’t get into a debate of comparing Colt to Gilbert. Each have their own destiny, Colt’s is woven. I am just saying to get your sunglasses on, cuz the future looks very bright.
by orangetower on Oct 24, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Supernova?
Do you know what “anomaly” means?
Gilbert has a lot of potential, but most guys with Gilbert’s kind of potential fall very, very far short of the career Colt McCoy has had. Is your excitement maybe because Gilbert has a fifth star and, like most five-star QBs, a couple of state championships he helped achieve? Because if you are, I’d like to know how you think what Gilbert showed in HS compares to what Vince Young showed in HS.
I understand the hype is very tempting, but don’t buy it so readily, and keep Colt’s achievements in perspective. It’s highly unlikely Gilbert will achieve what Colt has.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 24, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Miss It On Snow
I hear lots of praise for the young man – but he does not look effective to me.
by realmccoy on Oct 23, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too.
Do you think it’s in his head? He has the talent on paper, but he seems to make alot of mental errors. That leads me to another question. What about Porter? He’s like a 4 point something GPA. How is his development coming along. Huge dude with big program resume`.
by orangetower on Oct 23, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know...
he filled in very adequately last year as a true freshman, and although he certainly seems to have regressed this year… he’s still just a sophomore. I think we may be kind of quick on the trigger both anointing youngsters, and also damning them.
I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he comes back strong either next year, or perhaps even later this year. A lot of the angst surrounding him may be related to facing a very, very good player this last week – not to say he’s been great otherwise, but certainly that exacerbated the problems.
by Pflash on Oct 23, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Point on Snow
I felt like the ou game was some sort of indoctrinization in to the guild. He was hazed most of the day, but kept fighting. The hope is he comes through it all the better. I think he has a chance to shine now and agree that he comes back stronger for it.
by orangetower on Oct 23, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
more depth
don’t forget how much more depth we will have on the O-line next year w/ Ashcraft, Kelly and others. I think once they settle in on a rotation next year’s line could be nasty.
by BMG on Oct 23, 2009 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's true.
Espinosa is gnarly as well. I saw some video on him at one of the camps and the kid knocks some people around. He plays on the balls of his feet and is nasty about it. Hopkins is a beast as well. Things are looking good talent wise. Hope it all comes to gether. The incoming frosh probably won’t see alot of field time unless they come in and just get after it.
by orangetower on Oct 23, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OL recruits
Texas has signed 7 OL recruits, in the last 2 years, with 2 more on the way this Feb. That total includes 1 5*s, 4 4*s and 2 3*s. As of right now only 1 of those guys (Snow)has played enough to really get any kind of evaluation. Walters looked promising, but in very limited action, and now looks like he’ll probably redshirt.
So going into next year we have lots and lots of bodies on the OL, but very few (if any considering Snow’s struggles) proven guys from those 3 classes. The strange thing about the other 5 guys is you really haven’t heard anything about how they are looking in practice. Maybe some info. will leak during the bowl workouts.
by Horncasting on Oct 23, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is a bit weird...
I really would like to hear how Porter is coming along. He and Walters both looked so dominant in highschool. I agree with the redshirt on Walters this year. I remember the first film I saw of him. I laughed in empathy for the d-linemen he was facing. Get some Maddog on ’em and line ’em up.
by orangetower on Oct 23, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Getting info on redshirts is like drawing the full skeleton
of a dinosaur when you have one small bone. Nobody knew who Earl Thomas was until the spring after he’d redshirted. Justin Blaylock was a well-kept secret (other than being a 5-star recruit). Malcom Williams’ speed and skill were out of the spotlinght when he redshirted (of course, he’s managed to stay that way for 11/2 seasons, not including the second half of Tech in ’08).
Muschamp supposedly hand-picked the two LB signees in the current class — Allen and Nkwopra (spelling?). Allen got some mention the spring; both must have gone into witness protection this summer.
by edsp on Oct 23, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was curious about Tariq Allen also
I heard so much about him and then he disappeared. I assumed with the three senior starters and capable backups that he would probably redshirt, but I never saw an official word on it. I could have just missed it. Imagine a redshirt Allen with a year in the program with Hicks there too.
by TexasGarcia37 on Oct 23, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree to some extent
Although there always seems to be to be some posters on OB’s that claim to have sources in the staff that give a little info. Now whether that info. is anywhere near accurate is another story.
Redshirting FR aside, what about Buchanon and Poehlman? Even if Snow comes around and Walters fulfills his lofty expectations, we pretty much HAVE to have one of these two RS Soph. step up.
Non-Freshmen (True or RS) OL next year:
Hix (Sr)
Huey (Sr)
Snow (Jr)
Allen (Sr)
Mitchell (RS Jr.)
Buchanon (RS. Soph)
Poehlman (RS Soph)
Walters (may be a RS Fr. or true Soph)
by Horncasting on Oct 24, 2009 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
minor corrections
Mitchell is already a fourth-year junior. If wins the RT job, we could have 4 senior starters on the O-line in 2010. C-G Steve Moore will also be a senior next year.
Based on their usage and how the depth chart reads, Poehlmann seems to be somebody with a future. Buchanan seems like a career backup. Ashcraft (RS) has GOTTA be ready to start at guard in 2011, and maybe Porter as well.
But given that the coaches didn’t offer an OT (other than Jake Matthews) for 2010, they must be pretty confident in some combinatino of Kelley (RS), Porter, Poehlmann as starting tackles for 2011 and 2012.
by edsp on Oct 24, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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