Race for the Roses October 5
I'm filling in for AW this week, writing his normal column, Race for the National Championship Game that Will be Played in the Rose Bowl Several Days After the Rose Bowl but is Technically Not Actually the Rose Bowl. (Happy, burntorangehorn?) This past week didn't quite have the same earth shattering unbeaten losses that last week did, but our understanding of how good certain teams actually are have become clearer. For instance, Let's wave goodbye to the following teams:
(1) Oklahoma. They're just not very good. The Sooner O-line is bad and it scares the hell out of Bob Stoops and Kevin Wilson (public proclamations notwithstanding) so the offensive playcalling is incredibly conservative (3rd down and long? DRAW PLAY!). The wailing about Kevin Wilson by Sooner fans this morning rivals that of Texas fans with Greg Davis. (Well, with the exception of the fact that OU doesn't have the #1 Scoring Offense in the nation.) The OU defense? Apparently a little overrated. They came out playing Miami well (keep safeties deep and corners off to guard against the NFL-style deep ball) and it got them 2 quick interceptions. But when Miami adjusted and started passing underneath, Brent Venables took forever to adjust back. A couple of broken coverages and wide open running lanes later, Miami had scored 21 points. Classic Venables.
(2) Houston. Um, what the hell just happened in El Paso? A post-Tech hangover was certainly in order for a group of players that had never experienced this success before, but giving up 58 points to a team that gained a total of 53 yards last week? Welcome back to obscurity, Coogs.
One more surprise farewell after the jump, plus a look at the top contenders.
(3) Boise State? Yes, Boise State. Sort of. They're not completely out of it, certainly. But with today's AP and Coaches Polls, we have a template for how voters will deal with undefeated Boise State the rest of the season. In case you missed it, #5 Boise State played a closer than expected home game against 1AA team UC Davis (leading 13-0 at halftime, winning 34-16), and was jumped in both the AP and Coaches Polls by Virginia Tech, which itself had a ridiculously tough time beating Duke (the Harris Poll left BSU at #5, but its lead over #6 VT shrank significantly). It seems to me that neither team did anything worthwhile this week, but after a full week of looking at that number 5 by BSU's name, voters got jumpy and moved the Broncos down on their ballots. It's one thing to put BSU in the top 10 so they can make the BCS. It's quite another to realize that they're a Texas loss away from being in line for the national championship game. It's not fair, but Boise State is not going to be in the national championship game unless everyone has 2 losses. Sorry Broncos.
The Favorites:
1. Florida (4-0): The Gators had a bye this week, but no one got a bye from talking about Tim Tebow's concussion. That concussion hangs over Florida's season. By all accounts, Brantley is playing well in practice, but a night game in Death Valley isn't exactly practice. If Tebow doesn't play next week (and his health, not the opponent, is the only thing that should determine that), Florida might be in some trouble.
Next Games: 10/10 at LSU, 10/17 Arkansas, 10/24 at Mississippi St.
2. Texas (4-0): So I don't know what the deal with UTEP is, but that win all of a sudden looks a lot better than it did last week. And it looked good last week. UTEP quit a little bit against Texas, but a team that can run up 581 yards against the #12 team in the country has something going for it. Texas plays tomato can Colorado this week, followed by a newly humbled OU team whose goal has changed from the national championship to beating Texas and winning the Big 12. I'm worried about OU coming out exceptionally motivated in Dallas. On the other hand, they also seem to be getting emotionally weaker with every single injury they suffer. They just don't seem like they believe in themselves anymore. But for Texas, the only thing that matters is winning.
Next Games: 10/10 Colorado, 10/17 OU (Dallas), 10/24 at Missouri
3. Alabama (5-0): Bama looks good, no two ways about it. They started off slowly against Kentucky, with Greg McElroy looking like a typical SEC quarterback. But he got out of his funk and played well. Shocking that when SEC teams have good quarterbacks and/or offensive coordinators, you can actually score points on SEC defenses. Regardless, if Florida can escape LSU next week, I think it comes down to the SEC Championship game between undefeated Florida and Alabama.
Next Games: 10/10 at Mississippi, 10/17 South Carolina, 10/24 Tennessee
The Contenders:
1. LSU (5-0): I feel like I can just write the exact same thing AW wrote last week. Yes, LSU controls its own destiny. But does anyone think that they're really that good? It took a phantom unsportsmanlike penalty and incredibly shoddy Georgia tackling to beat the Dawgs. The week before, they almost lost to Mississippi State. Three weeks before that, they had an exceptionally tough time with Washington. That said, they're a different team at home and the three games listed above were all on the road. Florida (with or without Tebow) will have a tough time in Death Valley (especially at night, when the bayou folk get good and liquored up), and if LSU beats the Gators, they've got Auburn and Arkansas at home as well, but have to travel to Alabama and Ole Miss. Anyone watching them so far this season want to bet on them navigating that unscathed? If so, do you remember that Les Miles is their coach? There it is.
Next Games: 10/10 Florida, 10/17 Bye, 10/24 Auburn
2. Virginia Tech (4-1): That loss to Alabama (34-24) is looking quite forgivable at this point, and that destruction of Miami looks even better. If the Hokies get past BC and GT the next 2 weeks, they should win out and might be in position to be the top 1-loss team. Then again, they only beat Duke by 8, so maybe this is all a bit premature. Their ascent to the top 5 probably had more to do with voters intent on dropping Boise State rather than elevating VaTech, so they may themselves get jumped in the near future.
Next Games: 10/10 Boston College, 10/17 @ Georgia Tech, 10/29 North Carolina
Need Help:
1. USC (4-1): Well, so much for Cal. The fighting Tedfords do what the Fighting Tedfords always do, which is fold under the weight of great expectations. Also, they lose to USC. The Trojans demolished Cal a week after Oregon did the same, once again making the Trojans look like the team to beat in the Pac10. If they beat Notre Dame in two weeks, look for USC to jump Boise State. They still need some help, but beating a resurgent Oregon team should help their cause.
Next Games: 10/10 Bye, 10/17 @ Notre Dame, 10/24 Oregon State
2. Cincinnati (5-0): Um, would we put in a once-defeated team over an undefeated BCS Conference champion that scheduled two other BCS conference teams for its out of conference schedule? That's a question that we may be facing later this year if Texas and an SEC team don't go undefeated. Cincinnati is in the Big East, is undefeated, and plays the following teams the rest of this year: South Florida (the only good team left on the schedule), Louisville, Syracuse, Connecticut, West Virginia, Illinois and Pittsburgh. Yikes. We'll see how things go. I'm not optimistic for the Bearcats' national championship chances.
Next Games: 10/10 at South Florida, 10/17 Louisville, 10/24 at Syracuse
Knocking on the Door:
1. Miami: But their schedule the rest of the way is incredibly weak and those wins over FSU and Georgia Tech don't look that impressive anymore.
2. Iowa: They're undefeated, but no one takes them seriously. Including me. They'll lose to someone. They're Iowa.
3. Oregon: Huge turnaround after the Boise State game and the Ducks look good. A win over USC gets the Ducks back in the conversation. But would voters ever put a 1-loss Oregon ahead of an undefeated team that already beat Oregon? Might be too much cognitive dissonance, even for the pollsters.
4. TCU: Unfortunate position of being ranked after BSU and Cincinnati. If one of those two stays undefeated, no chance for TCU.
5. Ohio State: Please God, no.
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Great Stuff BZ
I’m with you on LSU. They really havent impressed me on the Offensive side of the ball yet. Their defense is lights out, as they should be. I just can’t get over the fact that Jordan Jefferson who lit up Ga Tech in the Bowl game last year, is struggling so poorly this year.
I believe most of the blame rests on their offensive line. Jordan Jefferson is one the most sacked QB’s in College Football right now, and thats with him being a scrambler. The run game has yet to get going, which is astounding considering how Charles Scott ran over the SEc last year.
I honestly think UF will have a field day against LSU’s piss poor offense due to the speed at LB and DE. They will be in the backfield all day. LSU’s best shot to win will be by its D as well, regardless of which Gator QB takes the snaps. Tigers’ secondary is just sick this year, especially that guy who shut us down in the CWS. What was his name? Chad Jones?
Get off your knees Greg, you're blowin' the game.
Chad Jones is an exceptional player
And Peterson looks like 2008 era Chykie Brown – an exceptional athlete capable of absolutely shutting down an opponent, until he makes two absolutely bone headed plays. Unfortunately, the gators don’t look like the have the weapons at receiver to take advantage of a mental lapse or two. Bama does, oddly enough.
I foresee a low scoring game the weekend, which of course means it will turn into a shootout, but LSU won’t be able to move the ball effectively against solid tackling and a legit pass rush. UF wins ugly, at least for them. After that, LSU looks like a team just begging to lose to Ole Miss or, gasp, Auburn in addition to being handled by Bama.
Unfortunately for us all, the SEC championship game is looking like it may be the best regular season game of the year. Woe be to anyone who doesn’t mute Gary Danielson.
proud to swim home
Becausth
Jimmy Clauthsen isth da gratesth QB in hithory, but thay still keep beatin mediocre teams in heart attack fathion.
Get off your knees Greg, you're blowin' the game.
by kriess on Oct 5, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Damnit, my co-workers definitely figured out I’m not on-task from that laugh.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 5, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
They're not ranked right now.
No team is going to get into the national championship game if they’re unranked in week 5, have a loss, and only have 1 tough game left on their schedule. Not even Notre Dame.
They may make a BCS game if they win out, but not the national championship game.
And Auburn?
While I don’t think it’s actually going to happen, they too control their own destiny. I am not sure they look any more formidable than LSU, but they are undefeated and would build up quite a resume if they won out.
I am still not sure why people keep pushing Alabama up…while it was a somewhat impressive win over Kentucky, Florida was much more convincing last week, well at least before Tebow went down. They gave up less than 200 yards to Kentucky, who managed just over 300 against Bama. Yet they gained both on us and Florida in this week’s poll. Definitely seems like Bama’s in the media oversaturation zone.
every man/woman controls his/her destiny
havent you ever watched Mortal Kombat?
Destiny isnt fate. Destiny isn’t predetermined, fate is.
Get off your knees Greg, you're blowin' the game.
by kriess on Oct 5, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Recced for this sentence
havent you ever watched Mortal Kombat?
by BoddickerIsClutch on Oct 5, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions
That movie killed a lot of brain cells.
Maybe that’s why I can barely remember it.
proud to swim home
That Veronica Vaughn was one piece of ace
as Sonja Blade. Nuff Said. Brain Cells be damned.
Get off your knees Greg, you're blowin' the game.
I thought Mileena could’ve been developed a little more.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 5, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Umm
according to the Merriam-Webster Online dictionary…
Destiny IS a predetermined course of events often held to be an irresistible power or agency.
He quoted the Highlander's character from Mortal Kombat
And you come back with the Webster?
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Oct 5, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Raiden was the man
back-back-foward = Flying Attack bitches!
Get off your knees Greg, you're blowin' the game.
Also works for slappety sumo wrestlers.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 5, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Not quite the same.
The flying headbutt would be back two seconds and then forward with a punch…
Okay, this is the nerdiest conversation on here in a while.
by TheElusiveShadow on Oct 5, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
If you have a choice to side with Merriam Webster, or Raiden, God of Thunder, Protector of the Earth Realm, I hope for your sake you choose wisely.
by BoddickerIsClutch on Oct 5, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Good point.
There are a ton of teams that I could have put in the “Knocking on the Door” section, including Auburn, Missouri, Kansas, etc. I suppose they all control their own destinies too.
Good points about Missouri and Kansas...
I have my burnt orange blinders on and just assume we will beat them…They probably have a technically easier road to undefeated than Auburn does.
OU Will Be Motivated
There is a reason they call it the mythical national championship – because it has a BS selection process. The Big XII title is not mythical – they are still very much in the hunt for that title and they take them very seriously.
I have to disagree about the Big 12 title, not being mythical
Remember last year?
Get off your knees Greg, you're blowin' the game.
you really think the pet rock was a good invention?
it made a MILLION DOLLARS
Oklahoma scored 60 points a game !!!
I'm already dreading the post-LSU/Florida media hype.
If LSU wins, then they’ll jump us in the polls, and all we’ll hear about is how the sleeping giant has been awakened, blah blah blah. If Florida wins with Brantley at QB, then all we’ll hear is how Florida is unstoppable no matter who they put back there; if they win with Tebow at QB, then…then…I can’t even bring myself to imagine what we’ll hear.
Can we go ahead and preemptively update the undulating curve of media hype? After all, the MNC is actually just the SEC champion versus the champion of the other 108 teams…
Really? Does my signature suck?
And another thing...
…while I’m ranting. Can we please stop hearing about how tough everybody else’s schedule is compared to ours? Texas plays a tougher schedule (#17) than all but three teams in the top 10 – and here’s an interesting factoid: Florida’s schedule ain’t one of the ones that’s tougher than ours. In fact, Florida has a tougher schedule (#68) than…um, Boise State (#99). And Cincinnati (#82). And (barely) TCU (#76).
The three top-10 teams with tougher schedules than Texas? Alabama, LSU, and Va Tech (all tied at #13) – all of whom are exactly one-half a game ahead of Texas (26-15 opponents’ record versus Texas’ oppenents’ 25-15 record).
Really? Does my signature suck?
Those numbers don't match up the with Sagarin ratings
So I guess it depends on who you ask, Sagarin has these as SoS rankings:
Texas – #90
Florida – #107
LSU – #27
VT – #11
USC – #12
Alabama – #54
Our SoS will improve after playing the Sooners, but beating Colorado ( ranked 81 by Sagarin ), won’t help us much.
He was talking about overall SOS...
Not up to this point.
by Orangechipper on Oct 6, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
LSU Fla or Ala
They must eventually play each other and only one can come out of the SEC championship undefeated so I could care a rats ass about what the SEC does. Or the Pac 10 or the ACC or any other conference.
What should we be focused on completely? We have 8 games left plus hopefully the Big 12 Championship game. We win all of these and finish 13-0, we play for all the marbles. Focus right now – Colorado.
I don't know what exactly this was aimed at.
But the point of this post isn’t “what does Texas have to worry about in order to get into the national championship game?” As I wrote in the post, all Texas has to do is win. This post is just a look at which teams have a shot at getting there and how they might do it. It’s for people who care about college football generally, not solely Texas, and want to talk about that.
I think they're just mad
that you’re not the REAL Billy Zane.
Get off your knees Greg, you're blowin' the game.
arent we all a little mad
that we’re not the real billy zane?
by the other Andrew on Oct 5, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Am I missing something in particular...
or is there just a “(fill in the blank) sucks” website for every celebrity these days?
I do hope some graduate student is currently toiling away trying to define and explain all of the pronounced and elevated idiocy that the internet has both revealed and perpetuated within our society.
If it is not FL...
It will be Bama or Auburn. The SEC lovefest is an annual event which the other conferences really never do anything to squelch. Case in point: TT loses to UH who loses to UTEP. Media says “see, Big XII ain’t the SEC.”
I happen to agree that Bama is the best team in the nation. They have the most impressive resume right now out of the top 3 teams. Owning wins over Arkansas and Va Tech, while not annual national title contenders, it is better than what Texas and Florida have done to date. In this instance, I am thankful for pre-season polls.
Regarding the polls and slotting Boise ahead of USC, all you have to ask yourself is how big a favorite would USC be if they met on the field? In Boise, Trojans by 6.5 or so. In LA, Trojans by 9.5-10. Boise being in the conversation is a joke simply based on who they have played and will play going forward. Those lines would be based on Boise being ranked ahead of USC. I might double my retirement account overnight if those two teams met. Trojans would destroy Boise…as would anyone in the top 4.
The dark horse here truly is Cincinnati. If they get by South Florida, look out. Running the table is never a given, but their schedule would seem to be the friendliest to do so of ALL the unbeatens to date. Oh, and maybe Cincy making the title game may finally be the straw that breaks the camels back regarding this BCS cluster&#@% we get to deal with annually. What do you think the line would be on UT Cincy? Horns by 15? Comical.
All of this being said, Horns, please take it one game at a time. Buffs are going down this week…hard.
"Stats are for losers. I like winning games." - Will Muschamp
The SEC played in only 2 of the first 8 BCS championship games
So I guess the annual love fest was canceled for 6 of the first 8 years.
Hold on a bit with that OU isnt very good stuff
Bradford was out, Gresham was out, and OU had many injuries that may be healed by Oct 17 at 11am. That game still means everything and now maybe more to OU. Tricky…
If OU wins in Dallas, they can still make the BCS by way of a conference championship, and I am sure that would be a two loss season saver. If OU doesnt drop a conference game, all is not lost for them. Tricky…
Did you not watch their O Line against the Canes?
They were getting blown backwards. Their line is young, inexperienced, and will have problems with Texas’ speed. Ask yourself how motivated the Horns would be if they were 2-2 with 4 newbies on the O Line? Motivation is not the problem for the Sooners…experience and talent is at this point.
"Stats are for losers. I like winning games." - Will Muschamp
by Mulliganville on Oct 5, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Well first of all...
Broyles and Gresham aren’t going to be back by October 17th, sorry. And while Bradford probably will be, the problem in both of OU’s losses hasn’t been Landry Jones. He’s played well. The problem is that he’s had no one to throw to other than Broyles (who is now injured) and that he has absolutely no time to throw because the OU offensive line is terrible.
Bradford back will help a bit, but it doesn’t fix the biggest problem they have.
Whoever OU puts up behind center in the RRS, is going to get lit up like a christmas tree
Our D-Line is better than was advertised, and might even be awesome, and their O-Line is about as bad as everyone thought it could be.
I think it’s possible OU is only able to put 13-14 points on the board, while I’m expecting Colt and Co. to put out anywhere from 28 – 45 against OU’s D.
Miami is 67th in the nation in sacks
And they got Jones 3 times.
They only had a total of 4 sacks in the three games before OU, despite the fact that 2 of those 3 opponents are in the bottom half of Division 1 in sacks allowed.
As for us, I don’t have to tell anyone here how we have looked with our pressure in the last two games. Bradford should want to sit, if theres any question of reinjury, the RRS is not a game he should be playing in.
by BoddickerIsClutch on Oct 5, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm sorry but at this point....
… in the season, that is just silly.
Do you think the fact that Miami has played FOUR ranked opponents had anything to do with that stat? While Miami is #67 with 7 sacks, Aggie is #4 with 16 sacks. The difference being that Miami has played 4 ranked opponents and Aggie has kicked 3 tomato cans and lost to a 2-2 Arkansas team. Do you really believe Aggie has a more talented defense? No…. I didn’t think so.
--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---
Where do you get Aggy from?
He was comparing our Defensive pressure to OU’s pass protection. He even eluded to that fact that Miami has played excellent competition.
Get off your knees Greg, you're blowin' the game.
Honestly....do you read?
Please point out where Boddick “eluded to that fact that Miami has played excellent competition.” What I read was his attempt to marginalize their competition with a “despite the fact that 2 of those 3 opponents are in the bottom half of Division 1 in sacks allowed.”
Hint: Bottom half = bad, Top half = good
Where did I get Aggie? Are you kidding? Is that not the perfect comparison? They look GREAT in the stat factory, yet we know they’re not a quality defense. Trying to play as if stats are overly meaningful after 4 or 5 games is just silly.
Yes, OU has a bad OL.
--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---
Yeah, you missed his point.
No one’s saying Miami’s D-line isn’t good or wouldn’t have more sacks if they played worse teams. No one’s talking about how good Miami’s D-line is at all, really. BiC was using Miami’s stats so far this season as an indictment of OU’s offensive line.
He was saying that, in terms of sacks, Miami hadn’t accumulated a lot so far in the season, but then they did against OU. It’s an indictment of OU’s offensive line as compared to the offensive lines of the other 3 teams Miami has faced so far. And in comparison to those teams, OU’s offensive line is bad. Does that mean it’s bad compared to anyone else’s offensive lines? No. But compared to 3 other teams that range from decent to good, OU looks bad. Therefore, OU’s offensive line is probably not very good at protecting the quarterback.
Fair point.
Still VaTech has given 3 sacks to Marshall, 4 to Nebraska, 5 to Bama, and blanked Miami.
Miami also has played 3 other quality teams besides OU and performed worse against each of them, getting only two sacks each on GT and Florida State.
by BoddickerIsClutch on Oct 5, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Va Tech, FSU, and GT
all have mobile QB’s. Thats why Miami didnt have amazing sack numbers.
Get off your knees Greg, you're blowin' the game.
So thats why VaTech gave up those sack numbers listed above?
Florida State also gave up 5 sacks to South Florida, and 2 sacks to Jacksonville State
Georgia Tech Ill give you, with that option sacks are few and far between.
by BoddickerIsClutch on Oct 5, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
VaTech entered the season...
…. with more OL starts than any program in a BCS conference.
--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---
really?
Is that in Phil Steele’s mag or something?
by burntorangehorn on Oct 5, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Nope. No surprise that you....
….. missed it. It was in the WSJ. Maybe a good career will find you in the next life.
--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---
You know what’s really endearing? Your condescending remark that I missed something in the sports section of the WSJ, of all things.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 6, 2009 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh, and as far as good career goes, I’d love to compare, but measuring internet-wieners rarely amounts to much when you’re involved.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 6, 2009 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions
How's this?
Is reading the WSJ a common factor in all good careers?
I happen to have zero respect for the anti-intellectual business world that is Wall Street. I wouldn’t consider that a good career, and it’d be a step down in terms of earnings anyway.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 6, 2009 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Please, please take your oodles of money and go away!
It had been a nice hiatus not having you shitting regularly on threads. You had actually made some cogent and reasonable comments in recent days, but it didn’t take long for you to revert to form.
BOH: “What I object to is that you automatically treat me like an inferior.”
HC: “Well I am the guy who gets his sports from WSJ.”
BOH: “Oh, WSJ, eh? Very nice. And how’d you get that? By exploiting the workers. By hanging on to outdated capitalist dogma which perpetuates the economic and social differences at BON. If there’s ever going to be any progress…”
RP: “BOH, there’s some lovely football over here. Oh, how d’you do?”
HC: “How do you do, football ignoramus? I am HornChamps, King of the BONers.”
by burntorangehorn on Oct 6, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Are you as childish as you post?
Clearly, Rickyspub is even less mature.
--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---
I’m not sure. Are you as grownup as your fuzzy condescension, Mr. Gekko?
by burntorangehorn on Oct 6, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Netiquette 101...
On the Intertubes this is being a childish douchebag to what was a simple unoffensive question (unless reading Phil Steele is akin to reading Danielle Steele):
No surprise you missed it. It was in the WSJ. Maybe a good career will find you in the next life.
The mature, considerate poster would have said: “I guess you missed it. It was in the WSJ.” The ‘WSJ’ would have been a hyperlink to the article in question.
At this point considering your history of posting factually challenged statements and hyperbole, I would like to see a link to the article in question just to make sure you indeed have your facts straight.
I could care less what you want. Go Google!
You final paragraph is a whole string of lies. Not unusual for you. Next time learn to ask nicely.
--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---
So did you come across this particular snippet about Va Tech’s OL starts in your required reading for your power job, or did you google it? If the latter, what were your search terms?
by burntorangehorn on Oct 7, 2009 7:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Here. Maybe...
….. you’ll actually learn something.
http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-OFFENSIVELINE0905.html
--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---
And, much as I hate OU...
…I’d hate for Bradford to get seriously hurt (again) playing in the RRS. I’m all for these guys finishing school and getting their degrees, and I think Bradford’s to be admired for wanting to come back and try again for a MNC. But I really can’t see the point in him risking his future any further by coming back to play against us. Their O-line is going to get him Kindled killed. Why not wait one more week and come back against KU?
All of that having been said, I’m going to be pissed if all we hear after beating them like they stole something is, “Yeah, but we didn’t have Bradford/Gresham/Broyles…”
Really? Does my signature suck?
Yeah, when is OU going to give back that 2006 title?
I mean if Colt hadn’t gone down against KSU, we win the 2006 Big 12. We aren’t going to back into the Big 12 championship game this year.
Stoops is saying Broyles is out 2-4 weeks
for a fractured shoulder. 2-4 weeks my ass. I’m in the medical field and I for one have had a fractured shoulder from a sports injury and 2-4 weeks is not even close to enough rehab. Especially for a WR who will take alot of hits.
Get off your knees Greg, you're blowin' the game.
I hope you guys are right
No way Bradford stays out of the Game in Dallas though, if he didnt come back for that, I dont know what he came back for, stupid in hindsight IMO
anyway, expect the Tech-esq motivation from last year if I may from OU this year, and the D will have to win this one. No more Colt INTs either, and I say we give them a heavy dose of the run.
OU's strength is in its line.
I think we should throw the ball as Colt should be able to tear up the secondary.
As for Bradford, he’s taking a big risk in coming back to play against us. I welcome him, but he might consider it twice because we have some big hitters on our defense and they won’t be shying away from him.
"Football's so important in Texas. On the West Coast, it's a social. On the East Coast, it's a culture. Here, it's a religion."
-- Major Applewhite
There's talk on the OU interwebs
That it would be wise for Sam to sit out the rest of the season, enter pre-draft camps and get his top 10 signing bonus, rather than risk his career on a shot at the Cotton Bowl.
http://boomerandsooner.barkingcarnival.com/2009/10/03/kneejerk-reaction-ou-20-miami-21/
As much as I hate to say it, I agree with NateHeupel here.
Get off your knees Greg, you're blowin' the game.
I agree too unless Braford is 100%.
If he’s 100% then by all means play him. But there’s no point in playing him if he’s 80%.
"Football's so important in Texas. On the West Coast, it's a social. On the East Coast, it's a culture. Here, it's a religion."
-- Major Applewhite
Obviously
I want the ’horns in the MNC this year.
But, if for some reason we stumble and aren’t going to get in, I’ll be rooting for a Cincinnati v. Boise State BCS Championship Game (both of them undefeated, everyone else with 2 losses) that would finally blow the system up for good.
by tdwalsh on Oct 5, 2009 11:45 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Even if this really happened
would anything really blow up? I’m skeptical of this. BCS will be operating as long as they’re under contract. Besides, if everyone else has 2 losses, there really shouldn’t be that much outrage. Your team lost twice – usually not MNC worthy.
by goingforthecorner on Oct 5, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
But after the contract is up...
TV is going to hold up the lowest viewing totals for a BCS championship game and then start talking about a reduced TV contract. TV needs viewers and the BCS coalition needs $$$ and I just don’t think Boise v. Cinci will be much of a draw. I bet the BCS would immediately institute the Plus 1. I don’t think they have to renegotiate the contract for that change.
2007 proved a 2-loss BCS team will be ranked higher than an undefeated mid-major
If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!
That happened, of course . . .
but it was Hawaii. Playing just 11 games, two of them against I-AAs, and holding the most signifincant home field edge in the game. And, Hawaii had no rep prior to the season. TCU and Boise were big-time before this season. One was in the Top 10 at the end of ’08, one was No. 5 after the ’06 season. If one of them gets into the MNC, it might be just what the BCS honchos want because it would prove it can be done.
Actually
Hawaii had no rep prior to the season.
They were actually ranked when the season started. Yes, they played a weak schedule, but that is the point. So does Boise State this year. They aren’t going to play another ranked team the rest of the year (except in the bowl game), and aren’t going to go anywhere but down in the rankings. And, even if we throw all quantifiable evidence out the window, there is no way that the BCS would allow a mid-major into the NC game, regardless of how deserving, as it would be a huge blow to profits. My personal opinion is that no mid-major should ever play in the National Championship game, unless the highest ranked BCS conference team has 3 losses.
If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!
Good stuff, BZ. Hope you're right on an (unlikely) 11-1 Notre Dame
TDWalsh: Chances are decent that Cincy or TCU or Boise will run the table. None of them has a terribly challenging game left:
Cincinnati — at S. Florida, W. Virginia, at Pitt
TCU — at BYU, Utah
Boise State — at Tulsa, at Louisiana Tech
None play a conference championship game
Who do you want to play BZ?
If/When Texas runs the table and gets to the MNC, would you want Florida, Bama or LSU?
At this point Bama gets my vote for providing the fan base the most exciting game.
Still a Blaine Irby fan
by patienthornsfan on Oct 5, 2009 12:40 PM CDT reply actions
Omg how awesome would it be for Iowa to run the table and make it, now THAT would be hilarious.
by BoddickerIsClutch on Oct 5, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I want Florida.
I want Tim Tebow to cry and I want to quash a “dynasty” for the second time in 5 years.
This has to be the match up for the networks as well.
Totally agree BZ. This is the one I want as well. We have been watching things lining up for 5 weeks now and if the rest of the season goes as well, we are in.
I honestly like our chances against Florida. I think we can win. We will need to improve in a couple of areas (1.Middle O-line play 2. Kickoff team) and I think we will by then.
Okie Lite will be the biggest test now, and if Nebraska takes the North then it could be a challenge as well, but I like our chances.
I want to annhilate ou. I hope Bradford doesn’t play. I don’t want to see his future ruined, but I want his coaches future looking dimmer to dark. 52-14 would hang pretty nice.
I’m filling in for AW this week, writing his normal column, Race for the National Championship Game that Will be Played in the Rose Bowl Several Days After the Rose Bowl but is Technically Not Actually the Rose Bowl. (Happy, burntorangehorn?)
I’m internet-famous!
I had a plethora of laughs at that comment.
3/19/2009 - Dogus Balbay Made a Three-Pointer. Never Forget.
Teams I Don't Think we Need to Worry About...
…Alabama, Florida, and LSU. Only one will make it out alive.
…Virginia Tech. I’ll be shocked if they survived both Boston College and GT. One more loss and they’re out for good.
…USC. Notre Dame and Oregon are gonna be tough, and they haven’t exactly wowed with that offense and the supposedly greatest Freshman Of All Time QB of theirs. Did you see the Washington State game? My God, they stunk up the joint, at home, too. The offense is just not that good.
In-VINCE-able.
I don't worry about much
If we win, we’re in. and if someone the Gods collude to keep us out, then I’ll scream. Until then, I ain’t worryin’.
In-VINCE-able.
by iamjackburton on Oct 5, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Someone please take BSU out back and shoot it...
It’s unfortunate that voters have BSU ahead of TCU. TCU is a better team (and proved as much last year in San Diego). BSU is living off the rep of Stoopsie’s epic fail 3 years ago. Hopefully they’ll get smoked in whatever bowl game they are in, Peterson will take the better job he deserves and they’ll fade into WAC obscurity…
They should be shot for that blue turf
Seriously, WTF is that about? should be against some rules. It’s not just an eyesore, but it’s gotta take visiting team at least a half to adjust to it. Then the BSU players wear blue on top of it. They’re pretty much camouflaged against the friggin’ turf. I’d like to see the ratio of BSU’s intercepts in home games compared to their road games. I’m willing to bet they have a higher rate at home because of that blue-against-blue scheme of theirs.
In-VINCE-able.
by iamjackburton on Oct 5, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I actually think that’s one of the things I like most about BSU. The Smurf Turf is legendary, and I’m very glad that it’s there.
Do you think that Baylor players are camoflauged against their own turf? Oregon?
by burntorangehorn on Oct 5, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I dont think Oregon blends in anywhere...

by BoddickerIsClutch on Oct 5, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Seriously? Blue-against-blue?
You don’t see any advantages there? Kids go from playing against green all year and then suddenly WHAM! Nothing but an ocean of blue. Come ON.
Again, someone should do an interception ratio for BSU in home to away games. I bet there will be a huge difference.
In-VINCE-able.
by iamjackburton on Oct 5, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Easily done, thanks to cfbstats.com
Year — Away — Home
2006 — 13 — 7 : 6 Games on the blue, 7 off of it
2007 — 4 — 10 : 7 on blue, 6 off
2008 — 12 — 10 : 6 on blue, 7 off
by BoddickerIsClutch on Oct 5, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Whoa I totall screwed up 2007, and 2008 swap those numbers.
Anyway, so for the past 3 years:
1.737 INTs on Green Fields Per Game
1.15 INTs on the Blue Field Per Game
by BoddickerIsClutch on Oct 5, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah I was gonna put up at least 50 Blue Toasts.
I take that back about what I said about the INT. The blue turf still looks like shit, though lol.
In-VINCE-able.
by iamjackburton on Oct 5, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Where did I say that there wasn’t an advantage? Seems to me you’re putting those words in my mouth.
I think there’s an advantage, but teams do all sorts of things to make their homefield advantage greater, from pink lockerrooms to the shape of the stadium. It’s a fair advantage.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 5, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
When You said...
“Do you think that Baylor players are camoflauged against their own turf? Oregon?”
I don’t recall putting those words in your mouth, did I?
In-VINCE-able.
by iamjackburton on Oct 5, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
No, you didn’t. But I didn’t say that there wasn’t an advantage. When I asked about Baylor and Oregon, I was trying to convey that it’s silly to condemn teams for wearing colors similar to the color of their home fields.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 6, 2009 7:56 AM CDT up reply actions
The problem with Boise State this year is more about Utah last year than even the OU game...
Utah really cracked the barrier that a non-BCS team shouldn’t be in the MNC game. That OU game was more of a non-BCS teams deserve a spot in the BCS bowls sort of game rather than suggesting an earned spot for the championship. This year’s Boise State team is riding the mojo of Utah’s run last year. Of course Utah actually beat several decent opponents on their way to an undefeated season. Boise State will have an opening game victory over an Oregon team breaking in a new coach on the road and that’s it.
Texas should be #1 on this list
Very good write-up, BZ.
My one suggestion is that, if we’re ranking the teams based on the likelihood of getting to Pasadena, Texas, and not Florida, should be #1 by a mile. Though I think one could pretty much put Texas, Alabama and Florida in a hat right now to determine who the best team is, Texas has a much much easier path than any individual team from the SEC to get to Pasadena, given that, well, we don’t have a bunch of Top 5 SEC teams we have to get through to get there.
(Dammit, some guy in an OU shirt just sat down next to me on my Southwest flight…)
Formerly kjm017
by Hopkins Horn on Oct 5, 2009 6:32 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I dunno
Florida could survive a slip up mid season, and if they win the SEC still have a great shot.
We are probably boned if we slip up, even if we win the Big 12.
by BoddickerIsClutch on Oct 6, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Tell him you really like his school's fight song
You have a copy on an old record, a 45, that you’ll let him have for (here it comes) 35 cents.
Boise State's win over .....
… Oregon is the only game this season vs. a BCS Conference opponent. ….For the entire season! They’re ot deserving of a fan’s respect.
--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---
How many wins does Florida have vs. BCS conference opponents?
by burntorangehorn on Oct 6, 2009 7:57 AM CDT up reply actions
The post where I wholeheartedly agree with HC...
We aren’t really talking about now we are talking about what happens at the end of the season. Even if Florida (or us for that matter) ends up with a loss they still will have beaten a more impressive slate of teams that Boise State could ever dream of facing. We all can agree that going undefeated is difficult no matter what conference you play in, but at what point does a team’s undefeated record that includes only one quality opponent (even taking out the context of it being the first game of the season with said team breaking in a new coaching staff) overcome the fact that many one- and two-loss teams will have beaten as many as a five or six quality opponents.
The problem is that there is a media narrative out there that says an undefeated non-BCS team deserves a shot at the title because non-BCS teams have beaten BCS teams in BCS bowls in other seasons. They ignore the fact that each season is different and just lump all past non-BCS undefeated teams as some sort of deserving juggernaut that must be appeased. Boise State will have one of the least impressive resumes for a BCS bowl team, probably only outdone by that Hawaii team a few years ago.
Two of their 4 games.
Let’s see if you are bright enough to determine how many victories we have over BCS conference opponents.
Here’s a hint for you… it is one.
--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---
Since you started off pointing out that BSU only has one victory vs. a BCS conference team on their schedule, you might want to consider the very post I am now quoting. It’s four games into the season. Boise State has scheduled as many OOC games vs. BCS conference opponents as Florida has. Florida is just one game into its conference schedule, so you can’t use conference schedule strength as much of a reason to give Florida any credit over BSU. More importantly, BSU has a more impressive victory than either Texas or Florida at this point.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 6, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Check that, UF is two games into it, but neither (Tennessee and Kentucky) is nearly as impressive as Oregon.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 6, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
But...
The problem for Boise is that they don’t play any other game against a team as good as Tennessee or Kentucky. They will play one total game against a team that might end up being pretty good. I stress ‘end up’, when Boise played Oregon they were in their first game of the season and breaking in a new coach. The rest of Boise’s schedule doesn’t include a team that A&M or Vanderbilt wouldn’t be favored against (Ok, Fresno State, but still they play 10 games against teams that are worse than the worse teams in the Big 12 or SEC).
True, but it’s not like BSU can control that. Short of pulling out of their conference or obtaining the very unlikely invitation from the Pac-10, Boise State could be the best team in the country and still not be able to change the fact that their conference schedule isn’t going to impress many people.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 6, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, I agree, but then they shouldn't be lobbying and having the media lobby for their inclusion...
If they really want to deserve their place in the pecking order they should indeed pull out of their conference and go independent. They could then try to schedule enough real competition to make their lobbying unoffensive. I wouldn’t have so much of an issue with their situation if wasn’t for the fact that they will be wanting not a spot in the BCS but in the BCS title game and there will be parts of the media that will lobby hard for this. I don’t think even Utah really deserved to replace either Florida or OU last year, but Boise State’s schedule makes Utah’s schedule last year look like a collection culled from top halves of the Big 12 South and SEC East!
Or join the MWC.
Or, schedule something better than Miami(OH), Bowling Green, Cal-Davis, Tulsa, and Oregon.
Yes, Boise State can control that!
--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---
I think a lot of teams should go independent, including UT, but I really think the better thing for BSU would be to join the Pac-10. They and Utah would round out with the Washington and Oregon schools to make a natural Pac-10 North Division. But that’s dreaming, I think, because the Pac-10 probably isn’t interested in expanding.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 7, 2009 7:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Follow-up
The reason I don’t think the Pac-10 is interested in expanding to include Boise State is the market. Eugene, Corvallis, and Pullman are already tiny markets, worse than Ames or Manhattan, so while Salt Lake City would be an incredible get for the conference, they’d probably want something stronger in terms of economic power than Boise. Although they’re undoubtedly stronger than Washington State for market size, I think the conference would rather a team with a larger city. However, unless Vancouver were to set up a well-funded program, or Sacramento State were to expand and develop a stronger sports program, I’m not sure there’s any other school in the NW that would offer anything better than Boise.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 7, 2009 7:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Dissin them hawkeyes
Your an idiot to talk sh*t about Iowa like that….they aren’t JUST Iowa…did you catch the Penn State game? MORON….keep in mind they have a very tough road schedule and it’s turds like you that don’t give them any recognition.
by ohh_sh*t_its_greg on Oct 6, 2009 1:31 PM CDT reply actions
I did watch it actually.
I also saw where they beat Northern Iowa by 1 point and Arkansas State by 3 points. JUGGERNAUT! Penn State must be terrible.
by billyzane on Oct 6, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Northern Iowa
Took two blocked field goals for Iowa to beat. At home. Did I mention its Northern Iowa? And that they aren’t division one? Iowa hadn’t lost to them in 111 years, and had to block two field goals in the closing seconds to win.
by BoddickerIsClutch on Oct 6, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
you dont know n iowa
I can guarentee you that northern iowa can play with 3/4 of div.1 teams period. bet the be in the nationl championship this year. They can play ball period. Dont give iowa credit i dont care iowa is iowa and a win is a win. Look at LSU are they playing like a #4 team in the nation….hell no but a win is a win go ride them
Northern Iowa? Really? What's your excuse for Arkansas State?
As for LSU, I did “ride them.” See this:
Yes, LSU controls its own destiny. But does anyone think that they’re really that good? It took a phantom unsportsmanlike penalty and incredibly shoddy Georgia tackling to beat the Dawgs. The week before, they almost lost to Mississippi State. Three weeks before that, they had an exceptionally tough time with Washington. … Anyone watching them so far this season want to bet on them navigating that [schedule] unscathed? If so, do you remember that Les Miles is their coach? There it is.
Please read before you post. Thanks.
Man...what a asshole...we are four games into the season...
Iowa hasn’t looked that impressive except for their victory over Penn State. Might they be the second coming of the 2002 Buckeyes? Sure, but the odds are very much against that (and that OSU team actually could score against the cream puff part of their schedule). Play too many close games and a loss to Indiana and/or Purdue happens even though you may beat Penn State and Ohio State.
Sounds a lot like 2006 Ohio State, actually.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 6, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I was thinking more of the close, low scoring games at the end of the year in 2002...
I don’t remember that 2006 team having any close games until the Michigan game at the end of the regular season. I recall the 2002 team struggling in low scoring affairs in almost all their conference games.
editor is an idiot
thanks for wasting 5 min of my life i will not get back reading this…your an idiot
You're right.
Those 5 minutes you spent reading this you could have spent learning the difference between your and you’re. I apologize for personally going to Hawkeye Report, linking this post, and forcing you to click on it, read the entire thing and call me an idiot for one line I wrote out of 200.
Tell you what, when Iowa goes undefeated this year, you come back here and I will personally apologize for having an opinion that differs from yours. Deal?
I think you should also apologize to him for the economy and global warming.
by burntorangehorn on Oct 7, 2009 7:18 AM CDT up reply actions

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